[tedwaltmuf]

I have noticed after many interactions with women that there is a lot of them that lie a lot. Certainly not all of them but in a college full of rich girls who tend to be spoiled, the majority of them lie and their lies don't make sense and are easy to prove wrong. I'm not talking about girls lying to avoid your advances and ignoring your messages. I'm talking about girls you are in normal conversations with, they lie about a lot of things for no reason and my question why do they tell each type of lies listed bellow with examples. I know dudes who do this but not even close to the number of girls who do this and with such terribly constructed lies. It doesn't really hurt me in any way so I'm not mad, it's something that I just find perplexing, especially if it's unbelievable or easy to prove false.

Types of lies
1. One-uping me after finding out about something cool or interesting I did: For example, I'm talking to this girl I have been out with a few times and we're getting to know each other and my past job came up. I used to be the manager for a naval beach recreational facility. She then preceded to say she also worked for the navy as a volunteer and talked about how hard it was to get that kind f a job in the navy. I thought it was BS at the time and confirmed it later that there isn't any volunteer work for the things she was talking about.

2. Lying to impress me or other people in a group. I'm with a female friend doing some homework and we are just chatting about some nonsense and out of the blue she randomly says she can talk to dead people and had an official diagnosis and tells me about a school for it. I play along and she swears I can ask her parents. I then mention a famous medium that has been proven fake and she says "oh ya he had me on his show one time" of course I googled it later and she never was.

3. Lying to get out of work or responsibility. I know the reason is probably laziness or they have other stuff they need to do, the question here is why use such a bad lie. It's not just this girl, I've seen this many other times. I'm responsible for making the schedule and this girl who begged me to give her lots of hours tells me the dumbest lie I have ever heard. It's a volunteer EMT job on campus so for the overnight shift you just sleep there and only ever wake up if there is a call. I needed this girl to take an overnight shift, which she has said she has no problem doing a few weeks ago. I say she needs to either work the early shift which she says she can't because she has an event which is true, I then tell her she needs to do the night shift and she asks who she would be working with. I ask who she wants to work with and she says I don't care just don't put me with this one guy. I say fine and she comes back later and says she can't do the overnight shift and I tell her she has a certain number of hours she has to work in a week and she tells me she can't do any shifts on that weekend because she has a sorority event that she has to be at the entire weekend or she will be fined. Her sorority is less than 4 blocks away from the building and she expects me to believe she can't come and in at 11 pm and basically sleep there until 7 am. I checked of course with another girl in her sorority and it was false.

4. Finally just random lies for no reason or any I can see at least. For example, I tell this girl a story about this guy I'm acquaintances with and she then tells me that she knows him and they are friends. Later Im talking with this guy and I say hey I heard you know so and so and he tells me hes never seen or heard of this girl in his life.

[Steve McQueen]

Women are exceptional liars, I think they have an emotional switch that they can choose how they wish to feel at a given moment that we men lack.

Its why they are so good at playing the long game for revenge in particular, where we are more in the moment and will lash out.

[tedwaltmuf]

(02-05-2017 12:34 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

Women are exceptional liars, I think they have an emotional switch that they can choose how they wish to feel at a given moment that we men lack.

Its why they are so good at playing the long game for revenge in particular, where we are more in the moment and will lash out.

The girls I know are worse liars than the guys I know, of course, I have to catch them so maybe there are more girls lying to me I just don't care enough to check or the lie is believable.

[Steve McQueen]

(02-05-2017 12:46 PM)tedwaltmuf Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:34 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

Women are exceptional liars, I think they have an emotional switch that they can choose how they wish to feel at a given moment that we men lack.

Its why they are so good at playing the long game for revenge in particular, where we are more in the moment and will lash out.

The girls I know are worse liars than the guys I know, of course, I have to catch them so maybe there are more girls lying to me I just don't care enough to check or the lie is believable.

I would wager you have been lied to a lot, the problem for us guys is girls will cover for each other where guys are always looking to screw each other over to get the pussy. Male thirst is the root of all evil.

[tedwaltmuf]

(02-05-2017 12:59 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:46 PM)tedwaltmuf Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:34 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

Women are exceptional liars, I think they have an emotional switch that they can choose how they wish to feel at a given moment that we men lack.

Its why they are so good at playing the long game for revenge in particular, where we are more in the moment and will lash out.

The girls I know are worse liars than the guys I know, of course, I have to catch them so maybe there are more girls lying to me I just don't care enough to check or the lie is believable.

I would wager you have been lied to a lot, the problem for us guys is girls will cover for each other where guys are always looking to screw each other over to get the pussy. Male thirst is the root of all evil.

Ya probably but I have almost never caught guys Im good friends with in a lie, but really good female friends tell the worst and most unbelievable lies for some reason.

[Number one bummer]

Women abuse sick leave and it is largely ignored. My last several jobs were mostly male only workspaces but the limited females there called off more than the males combined. Several of the women use to joke to me on what excuse they would use. Their favorite one was saying their children were sick since an employer is not going to look into that as much. Luckily the workload on my job never changed based on their attendance so I never felt need to point out their obvious patterns. If you try to find studies on sick leave abuse then good luck. Only studies I have seen admit women call in sick more, but it's explained that they do so in order to take care of children.

[Turnus]

If you ever find the answer to your question I'd love to know.

My ex-wife was an incredible liar. Some of the lies she told me (and I fell for) include:

* She was engaged to a NFL Hall of Famer (she never even met the guy)
* She graduated from college (she attended 1 semester)
* Was a high level executive at one point (she never worked for the company)

I could go on and on. The point being, is that some people are just are wired that way. What I've come to learn is that I think alot of it has to do with their self-confidence and how they feel about themselves. Obviously, if they feel the need to lie, they are not proud of their actual accomplishments or place in life. This is there way of making themselves better than they actually are.

You've been warned. Proceed with caution with these type of women.

[doc holliday]

(02-05-2017 12:59 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:46 PM)tedwaltmuf Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:34 PM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  

Women are exceptional liars, I think they have an emotional switch that they can choose how they wish to feel at a given moment that we men lack.

Its why they are so good at playing the long game for revenge in particular, where we are more in the moment and will lash out.

The girls I know are worse liars than the guys I know, of course, I have to catch them so maybe there are more girls lying to me I just don't care enough to check or the lie is believable.

I would wager you have been lied to a lot, the problem for us guys is girls will cover for each other where guys are always looking to screw each other over to get the pussy. Male thirst is the root of all evil.

Oh man, truer words than this have not been spoken. Entire civilizations have been brought to its knees because of male thirst for pussy. The clusterfuck of a culture and society we have today is due primarily to this one phenomenon. And yes, women lie like its a bodily function such as going to the bathroom.

[Meat Head]

Women are worde liars than men. Their lies tend to be illogical.

[torridon747]

I find women are bad pathological liars because they fail to cover all their bases. It may just be me paying closer attention but their tells seem a lot more obvious to me. I also find that they are more open to being called out on their lies and then admitting the truth than men, whereas men tend to "stick to their guns" till the bitter end.

There's a mountain of research on how to tell if someone is lying and it would probably do everyone some good to read up if you don't ever want to be played.

The first and most important tell of a lie is motivation. If you can come up with a few reasons for them to be telling that lie, and the fact that you're thinking about it is probably a bad sign. Which brings me to the next one, the one that makes you think someone is lying in the first place body language: an excessive amount of closed off (more masculine lies) body languages AND an excessive amount of open body languages (feminine lies) both indicate lying. Another good thing to keep in mind is that when you call someone out on a lie, more often than not liars will get defensive and people telling the truth will get offensive. Liars want you to believe them, they want to defend themselves because it seems rationale, it actually isn't. If you're telling the truth you would naturally be upset because there is nowhere else to go. You see a character flaw in someone when you are being accused of lying and aren't and want to correct them. It's also important to never ignore your "gut", as it's made up of some subconcious factors that do actually have a basis in reality.

Lying is a skill and so is lie detection. There are some people out there who are extremely skilled at one or the other or both. So be careful.

[XPQ22]

(02-05-2017 12:22 PM)tedwaltmuf Wrote:  

I have noticed after many interactions with women that there is a lot of them that lie a lot. Certainly not all of them but in a college full of rich girls who tend to be spoiled, the majority of them lie and their lies don't make sense and are easy to prove wrong. I'm not talking about girls lying to avoid your advances and ignoring your messages. I'm talking about girls you are in normal conversations with, they lie about a lot of things for no reason and my question why do they tell each type of lies listed bellow with examples. I know dudes who do this but not even close to the number of girls who do this and with such terribly constructed lies. It doesn't really hurt me in any way so I'm not mad, it's something that I just find perplexing, especially if it's unbelievable or easy to prove false.

Types of lies
1. One-uping me after finding out about something cool or interesting I did: For example, I'm talking to this girl I have been out with a few times and we're getting to know each other and my past job came up. I used to be the manager for a naval beach recreational facility. She then preceded to say she also worked for the navy as a volunteer and talked about how hard it was to get that kind f a job in the navy. I thought it was BS at the time and confirmed it later that there isn't any volunteer work for the things she was talking about.

2. Lying to impress me or other people in a group. I'm with a female friend doing some homework and we are just chatting about some nonsense and out of the blue she randomly says she can talk to dead people and had an official diagnosis and tells me about a school for it. I play along and she swears I can ask her parents. I then mention a famous medium that has been proven fake and she says "oh ya he had me on his show one time" of course I googled it later and she never was.

3. Lying to get out of work or responsibility. I know the reason is probably laziness or they have other stuff they need to do, the question here is why use such a bad lie. It's not just this girl, I've seen this many other times. I'm responsible for making the schedule and this girl who begged me to give her lots of hours tells me the dumbest lie I have ever heard. It's a volunteer EMT job on campus so for the overnight shift you just sleep there and only ever wake up if there is a call. I needed this girl to take an overnight shift, which she has said she has no problem doing a few weeks ago. I say she needs to either work the early shift which she says she can't because she has an event which is true, I then tell her she needs to do the night shift and she asks who she would be working with. I ask who she wants to work with and she says I don't care just don't put me with this one guy. I say fine and she comes back later and says she can't do the overnight shift and I tell her she has a certain number of hours she has to work in a week and she tells me she can't do any shifts on that weekend because she has a sorority event that she has to be at the entire weekend or she will be fined. Her sorority is less than 4 blocks away from the building and she expects me to believe she can't come and in at 11 pm and basically sleep there until 7 am. I checked of course with another girl in her sorority and it was false.

4. Finally just random lies for no reason or any I can see at least. For example, I tell this girl a story about this guy I'm acquaintances with and she then tells me that she knows him and they are friends. Later Im talking with this guy and I say hey I heard you know so and so and he tells me hes never seen or heard of this girl in his life.

Something like 15% of Western women probably suffer from a diagnosable mental illness. The incidence of "personality disorders" (borderline, narcissism, histrionic, sociopathy) in the general population is thought to be around 7%, but it may present more frequently in women you encounter in society as a) most men who suffer from the severe forms are habitually violent and end up in prison, b) there are vested interests into not studying too deeply just how crazy too many women are, and c) the disorders present differently in women than men.

Lack of empathy and pathological lying are common traits of all personality disorders. The worst cases will lie and confabulate about absolutely everything, even what they had for breakfast, for any reason or no discernible reason at all.

I think it's likely that on average, women intrinsically are able to have more empathy for groups of people vs. individuals, vs. men where it may be the reverse. I think "evolutionary ipsychology" is a lot of cerebral red pill internet navel-gazing for the most part, but there may be some truth to the idea that it's just not intrinsically advantageous for a woman to regularly experience deep empathy for individual men, which would certainly make deception easier.

But I can't say honestly whether I think women lie more frequently than men on average. Part of the issue is that in most circumstances you encounter on a day to day basis (business is another story) men don't have a whole lot of reason to lie to other men. They may say things you feel or know to be untrue, but that's often because they legitimately believe them (unconscious confabulation) rather than an attempt to be deliberately deceptive.

The majority of the worst-of-the-worst pathological liars I've had the displeasure of knowing were men. I knew this one guy years ago whose "game" involved sending chicks mp3s of songs and telling them "Yep, I wrote that song." Except for the problem that these were songs by other musicians, and not even obscure ones where he might have gotten away with it, like fucking big acts with hundreds of thousands or millions of fans. Really? You're the Counting Crows? It's something I might do as a joke, but he seemed to be deadly serious about this fame-game scam.

Point is that as you say, you're at a school full of snooty rich girls who've probably always had someone or other to bail them out of trouble all their lives, and simply never had to experience the consequences of their actions regularly. Their sense of empathy is likely not well-developed. In my experience girls who had to come up the hard way (and are successful at it and don't end up in poverty or addicts) tend to dissemble less; they've been kicked to the curb before, know how it feels to feel bad, and probably had their brains wired a bit more like men.

Probably the best way to succeed in that environment is to orient your your game such that it just doesn't matter if they lie to you 95% of the time. Oh, okay, you did something cooler than me. Wow you can talk to dead people, how fascinating. Oh, you cheated on me and said you didn't, so what, I've got two other girls in play. They'll likely love you all the more for playing their BS to the left. But my guess is that the majority of them are not LTR or wife material. The majority will never change, and I don't want the abyss staring into me too long.

[XPQ22]

(02-06-2017 04:39 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

Another good thing to keep in mind is that when you call someone out on a lie, more often than not liars will get defensive and people telling the truth will get offensive. Liars want you to believe them, they want to defend themselves because it seems rationale, it actually isn't. If you're telling the truth you would naturally be upset because there is nowhere else to go. You see a character flaw in someone when you are being accused of lying and aren't and want to correct them. It's also important to never ignore your "gut", as it's made up of some subconcious factors that do actually have a basis in reality.

I almost never call people out on things my gut tells me are false anymore unless there's an extremely good reason to do so - it's not my job to be a police interrogator. In very few cases does it lead anywhere productive. If I expect I'll ever have to deal with them again I just tick a mental checkbox "noted: probable dissembler" and file it away

It sucks even more when you work in tech, and people's social lives revolve around technology (but know next to nothing about it, it's magic), and they sometimes tell lies making tech the scapegoat when you know they're full of BS. I know the reason you "didn't get my SMS" wasn't because "my WiFi connection wasn't working", okay? Jeez.

[questor70]

What I really don't like the fact that many modern women are holier-than-thou about social justice issues but when it comes to their day-to-day relationships often casually resort to lying, cheating, and downright rude and inconsiderate behavior. It's as if how men and women treat each other in the dating game isn't seen as a facet of social justice, despite how much anguish mistreatment creates. Women are more likely to feel that the ends justify the means when it comes to their pursuit of immediate gratification.

[XPQ22]

(02-06-2017 02:41 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

What I really don't like the fact that many modern women are holier-than-thou about social justice issues but when it comes to their day-to-day relationships often casually resort to lying, cheating, and downright rude and inconsiderate behavior. It's as if how men and women treat each other in the dating game isn't seen as a facet of social justice, despite how much anguish mistreatment creates. Women are more likely to feel that the ends justify the means when it comes to their pursuit of immediate gratification.

The worst offenders certainly use it as a form of "virtue signalling" to solicit narcissistic supply, to regulate the functioning of their Ego.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

Sort of like a form of penance. "I like treating men bad in private, so I have to keep up my public persona, or else the cognitive dissonance between who I think I am and I really am becomes too much."

Trust no bitch who over-relies on social media.

[LeoneVolpe]

Illimitable Man has a great essay called "Womanly Duplicity & Its Constituent Parts," I'm posting it below. It's long but definitely worth reading:

Quote:

Womanly Duplicity & Its Constituent Parts

Contents:
1.) The Paradox of Cunning Naivety
2.) The Double Edged Sword of Rationalisation
3.) Her Deficit of Loyalty
4.) On The Duplicity of Beauty
5.) In Closing / Relevant Reading

1.) The Paradox of Cunning Naivety:


Why are women so manipulative? Know that firstly in matters of people, manipulation is as natural to a woman as stinging is to a scorpion. Woman herself needs no education in wielding her sexual powers to exert undue influence on man, for nature has equipped man to covet her sexuality, and woman herself to abuse it. This intersexual blend of Machiavellianism is thus as automatic as it is instinctive, it is less so a product of conscious higher thinking, and more so an inevitability of the selection pressures that bred her.

From here we discover a curiously enigmatic piece of the feminine puzzle, one that leaves many a man dumbfounded in its seemingly paradoxical juxtaposition. If we are to presuppose that woman is intrinsically cunning, then how can we simultaneously assert her propensity for fantastical gullibility? If women are so manipulative, why is it that they are more susceptible to propaganda and given to believe more fervently in the supernatural, the religious, and other such unsubstantiable things? After all, the cunning are known not for their epitomisation of gullibility, but for their deficit of it. So if they are to be mutually exclusive, should one not the preclude the other? And if so, how can she be cunning if she is likewise gullible?

It is my contention that in neither man nor woman is gullibility mutually exclusive from cunning, and I shall endeavour to explain why this is hence forth.

As I alluded previously, a woman’s cunning is a byproduct of her instinct, not a premeditated affair. Her ability to seduce is more nature than it is nurture, her manipulations no more than mechanisms of her biological wiring than they are conscious exertions. Her spasmodic capriciousness, penchant for blame shifting and affinity to the plausibly deniable are evolutionarily adapted survival traits, as is her propensity for rationalisation and its subsequent supplantation of her reason.

And yet the very capacity for rationalisation that makes her manipulations so powerful is the very thing which confers her gullibility in matters of the esoteric and abstract. Effectively, her ability to rationalise makes her most effective in the manipulation of people, but the very deficit of reason such rationalisation causes is what leads to her gullibility in the abstract.

As an additional factor, one must note women’s unconditional loyalty to authority. She is obedient in much the way a child is, and it is this obedience which makes her prone to foolishness.

If a person of repute is to tell her something, she will evaluate the thing based on the importance of the person who told her it rather than dissect the elements of what she was told. It is in this way that lesbianic upper class women duped the common woman into working; by playing on the innate victim complex characteristic of woman’s infantile narcissism, they were able to convince her that labour was a freedom women were denied rather than a burden from which they were saved. Womankind subsequently rationalised away her position of relative comfort unencumbered by the harshnesses of labour, and bought into the idea she was born into an oppressed class. As such it becomes quite clear, interpersonally she is cunning, but ideologically she is the very fool she manipulates relationally.

Be she cunning mindfully or instinctually, she is innately predisposed to a degree of cunning one way or the other. This is not to suggest that women are incapable of consciously premeditating their manipulations for such a thing is possible if not commonplace, but rather it is testament to the baseline of duplicity present in women even when conscious effort is absent. Even then, I make this distinction only to emphasise the intrinsicality with which cunning exists in women, I by no means believe the typical woman lacks either the interest or inclination to more mindfully develop the instincts that nature bestowed her. Likewise it is in tangential relevance to this I find it important to note that women’s profound interest in, and domination of academic psychology is no more than an effect of her intrinsic Machiavellian propensity.

Women who are instinctively cunning rather than mindfully cunning will often succumb to gullibility in spite of themselves. For you see, their instincts equip them solely to seduce and petition man, not to engage in the strategisation of complex, abstract mental work. Women with a flair for the strategic are either learned or dark triad and are therefore by definition outliers, the base of the female population’s Machiavellian instinct scantly extends beyond the interpersonal and the intersexual.

And so when it comes to things outside of this arena, she is as naive as the dictation of her emotions and the deficit of her reason allows. Combine this deficit in logic with her evolutionary propensity to rationalise away the undesirable, and the strength of her need to believe is laid bare.

2.) The Double Edged Sword of Rationalisation:

The very thing that makes her manipulations so notoriously effective is the same thing that leads her to be so easily misled – her tendency to rationalise rather than reason. Whilst the average woman is more manipulating than the average man, she is likewise more manipulable than him. Where the typical woman is manipulating in relationships but manipulable in matters of reality, the average man is manipulable in relationships and more finely astute of the abstract.

The gift of reason that lends a man his astuteness in matters of reality is thus absent in his estimation of women, the deficit of reason experienced by women abstractly is equivalent to the deficit of cunning man experiences intersexually. In a relationship, man is behaviourally idealistic whilst she is behaviourally pragmatic, although one should note that such a thing does not prevent her from amassing unrealistic expectations of what being a man should consist of in relation to her self-interest.

Where beauty is the primary cornerstone of feminine power, the capacity for pronounced rationalisation is its secondary cornerstone. Where a man’s reason prohibits him from employing the mental gymnastics necessary to effectively execute a manipulation, a woman faces no such obstacle. Sanity as we think of it is an assessment of one’s ability to demonstrate cogency in their methods and consistency in their beliefs, women are hard pressed to demonstrate either, which is why we often think of them as crazy.

One should not also forget that womankind has been evolutionarily equipped to rationalise the undesirable through her maternal line’s history as a spoil of war. Before civilization legislated against, and effectively nullified the power of man’s physical strength, a woman’s ability to deceive man was her only defence against his encroachments.

3.) Her Deficit of Loyalty:

Where traditional masculinity is rigid, based on systems of honour and loyalty and reliant on force to punish transgressions of these, femininity has no such concerns and is therefore more fluid in the fickleness of its alliances. Where men want their team to win, women simply want to be on the winning team. The men who are similar to women in this way tend to be dark triad in their personality makeup.

Women’s inherent amorality leaves her capable of showing loyalty to whoever exerts the most dominance over her. A woman never completely rules out betrayal, for women are creatures of opportunity; instead she hedges her bets by playing both sides and betraying as is financially or emotionally necessary.

Betrayal is the spark that ignites the match when a woman moves on and adapts herself to a new man in the face of what she deemed to be insufficiency in the previous. Loyalty is symptomatic of honour, an inherently masculine behaviour. Don’t believe me? Look at the divorce rates. The majority of divorces are initiated by women, a true testament to their disloyalty. Likewise men report a light switch effect when breaking up with a woman, a 180 degree change in her personality as she effortlessly gets over him whilst he continues to pine for her.


When a rival tribe would kidnap a woman, her ability to rationalise was the only thing that allowed her to cope, adapt, and continue to lead a rewarding and prosperous life. I believe it is this evolutionary history that is the foundation of women’s intrinsic loyalty deficit. Women who were inferior rationalisers would have expressed loyalty to their birth tribe in the presence of their captors, consequently causing themselves inordinate grief.

Inevitably, such women would’ve been culled to the point where only women with a more fluid sense of loyalty would survive such a prevalence of kidnapping, henceforth selecting for women who were loyal to the powerful and disloyal to the weak, the losses and gains of power imitating the ebbs and flows in her retraction and pledging of loyalty.

Where men adopt their own principles, women adopt the principles of the most powerful people in their lives. Where men fight enemy tribes and die in war, women fall in love with their captors using their innate capacity for cunning to completely remould themselves and even thrive – a feat even the most objectively talented man would be hard pressed to perform.

4.) On The Duplicity of Beauty:

Nature has armed womankind with dissimulation and aesthetic appeal, in which the latter vastly complements and lends itself to the former. Beauty is the fulcrum on which many a successful deception is predicated, for its inviting allure baits with desire whilst falsely associating itself with virtue. To enhance one’s beauty is therefore to augment one’s influence, to appear more noble, more capable, and therefore more trustworthy. Women know this intuitively.

Beauty is not only disarming but enticing, its presence aiding in the signalling of women’s most favoured illusion – innocence. Man’s most foolish visceralism is his propensity to conflate the beautiful with the virtuous, for in doing so, he invariably sees woman for who he’d like her to be rather than for who she is. It is this flaw of instinct in which man perceives virtue as an attendant characteristic of beauty that he inflicts on himself the self-detriment of intersexual naivety.


The duplicity of beauty is predicated on a presumption of innocence that only women and children enjoy, for beauty connotes its virtue through an aesthetic of infantilism. As Leo Tolstoy rather famously said, “It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.” Beauty is as such feminine rather than masculine in its aesthetic, for handsomeness neither connotes nor confers onto its possessor the same illusion of virtue that beauty does.

Handsomeness lacks the visual childlike innocence signatory of beauty that leads the observer to infer virtue. Effectively the visual cues that lead us to believe in the innocence of children is the exact mechanism from which women’s beauty takes a degree of its power; that degree pertaining to the conflation of beauty with virtue and the presumption of innocence that results from it rather than woman’s sexual power per se. This phenomenon alone serves as further proof of women’s immaturity relative to man, if further proof were even necessary; greater neoteny is a biological marker of lesser maturity. In summary of this section’s thought, I leave you with this concluding statement: her first concern is her appearance, her second concern her cunning, but both serve the same ends.

5.) In Closing / Relevant Reading:

Woman’s desire to remain blameless forever and always plays a significant role in her desire to cultivate an innocent visage. Defensively, a woman’s primary method of manipulation is her presumption of innocence, offensively it is the seductiveness of her physicality; both rely on her beauty, the prior to a mere lesser degree than the latter.

The weaponisation of sex, the falsification of tears, the feigning of innocence and the allergy to blame, know the tools of womanly deception and recognise them for what they are when they rear their ugly heads. And remember, I do not convey such displeasurable truths in order to dissuade you from interacting with women, but rather, so that you may act with shrewdness when you do interact with them.

[torridon747]

(02-06-2017 02:39 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 04:39 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

Another good thing to keep in mind is that when you call someone out on a lie, more often than not liars will get defensive and people telling the truth will get offensive. Liars want you to believe them, they want to defend themselves because it seems rationale, it actually isn't. If you're telling the truth you would naturally be upset because there is nowhere else to go. You see a character flaw in someone when you are being accused of lying and aren't and want to correct them. It's also important to never ignore your "gut", as it's made up of some subconcious factors that do actually have a basis in reality.

I almost never call people out on things my gut tells me are false anymore unless there's an extremely good reason to do so - it's not my job to be a police interrogator. In very few cases does it lead anywhere productive. If I expect I'll ever have to deal with them again I just tick a mental checkbox "noted: probable dissembler" and file it away

It sucks even more when you work in tech, and people's social lives revolve around technology (but know next to nothing about it, it's magic), and they sometimes tell lies making tech the scapegoat when you know they're full of BS. I know the reason you "didn't get my SMS" wasn't because "my WiFi connection wasn't working", okay? Jeez.

In business and especially tech (my field too) you have to have a lot more tact. You can't just call someone a liar and if there is nothing to gain (not even leverage) it's best left alone.

I always call women out on their lies though. I want them to know that I know.

[pheonix500000]

Do you know how you can always tell if a woman is lying? Her lips are moving.

[Vill@in]

The real kicker is these women probably don't even KNOW they are lying.

Their hamster has spun and warped the truth into something very far from the objective truth.

[Splord]

Hamster and emotion make big lies but they seldom stand up to rational scrutiny.
Woman is reactive and from this point of view she must be able to lie good, even if it is just to cover her ass.
Man on the other hand is (or should be) proactive and therefore should never find himself in a situation that he depends on what might prove a lie (eg a woman's word).

The only acceptable kind of lie by a woman is of the "Oh, no, I haven't organised a surprise party for your birthday" kind.

[XPQ22]

(02-09-2017 12:25 PM)Splord Wrote:  

Hamster and emotion make big lies but they seldom stand up to rational scrutiny.
Woman is reactive and from this point of view she must be able to lie good, even if it is just to cover her ass.
Man on the other hand is (or should be) proactive and therefore should never find himself in a situation that he depends on what might prove a lie (eg a woman's word).

Yes, it's not a bad ideal to try to organize your life such that the majority of the lies women tell on a day to day basis simply don't matter too much. Usually that involves having multiple girls in play, or at least the willingness to walk and go find another if necessary.

"The only winning move is not to play"

As I mentioned, for me at least the jury is still out on whether women actually lie more than men, on average. Maybe it's just a "selection bias." Even if they do, I find it difficult to hate women for that; if it is truly "in their nature" then they are as much at the mercy of it as we are. Shall I hate the cherry blossoms for falling when it's their time to do so?

[qw12]

All those lies you mentioned usually revolve around low self esteem, or the urge to fit in... Which is most girls with daddy issues these days. The worst are the ones that don't know how obvious they are, and lie about everything. I could never entertain that shit.

Look at IG for example, most of them make their lives out much more than it really is, to fit in, and fill that low self esteem void or whatever you want to call it. It all just really comes down to most women are living one big lie.

[Splord]

(02-09-2017 01:36 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(02-09-2017 12:25 PM)Splord Wrote:  

Hamster and emotion make big lies but they seldom stand up to rational scrutiny.
Woman is reactive and from this point of view she must be able to lie good, even if it is just to cover her ass.
Man on the other hand is (or should be) proactive and therefore should never find himself in a situation that he depends on what might prove a lie (eg a woman's word).

Yes, it's not a bad ideal to try to organize your life such that the majority of the lies women tell on a day to day basis simply don't matter too much. Usually that involves having multiple girls in play, or at least the willingness to walk and go find another if necessary.

"The only winning move is not to play"

As I mentioned, for me at least the jury is still out on whether women actually lie more than men, on average. Maybe it's just a "selection bias." Even if they do, I find it difficult to hate women for that; if it is truly "in their nature" then they are as much at the mercy of it as we are. Shall I hate the cherry blossoms for falling when it's their time to do so?

Yes, I also think it's not a matter of numbers, who lies more, "us vs. them" thing, I just try and generalise.
There are lies with little or no consequences, that we can let go easy and lies we can believe and face severe consequences like danger for finance, life etc..

You can pretend you believe a stripper when she says you're her most favorite client in order to bang her but cannot give half your life's savings to buy stock exchange based on just one person's (be it man or woman) opinion without checking for yourself.

[rafaeld]

(02-07-2017 11:10 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

Do you know how you can always tell if a woman is lying? Her lips are moving.

   

[PondScum]

“People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one’s master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person’s view requires to be faked…The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on…There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all.”
― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Nail on the head, Ayn. Still WNB, though. Sorry, love.

[treypound]

(02-05-2017 01:14 PM)Turnus Wrote:  

If you ever find the answer to your question I'd love to know.

My ex-wife was an incredible liar. Some of the lies she told me (and I fell for) include:

* She was engaged to a NFL Hall of Famer (she never even met the guy)
* She graduated from college (she attended 1 semester)
* Was a high level executive at one point (she never worked for the company)

I could go on and on. The point being, is that some people are just are wired that way. What I've come to learn is that I think alot of it has to do with their self-confidence and how they feel about themselves. Obviously, if they feel the need to lie, they are not proud of their actual accomplishments or place in life. This is there way of making themselves better than they actually are.

You've been warned. Proceed with caution with these type of women.

My ex was the best liar I ever met in my life. Her lies ranged from mild (lying about what her and her friends did/didn't do during girls night out) to spectacular (lying about places she's traveled to, people she's met, etc). As I started to uncover this trait, she became less and less attractive, to a point where I couldn't stand to interact with her.

I find many women don't lie as much as they omit truth/facts. A buddy of mine shared his girl was going to Fort Lauderdale for a girl's weekend this weekend. He has never met the two girls she's going with (co-workers), and both of them are single (one recently divorced). I jokingly told him don't even bother asking her Monday how the trip was, unless you want to get lied to.