[Hypno]

(02-03-2017 11:18 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

Are *any* of the Boy Scouts alternatives worth anything? Someone a few posts back mentioned Trail Life USA.

Looks like some are secular, some are religious. Many of them seem like they're tied to a particular religious faith, though, which is going to make it rough for any of them to grow in numbers.

Trail Life USA is tied to Christianity, not a particular denomination.

What has happened is a lot of Boy Scout troops were sponsored by churches. When the BSA said lets OK gay leanders, most churches pulled the plug. So a lot of Trail Life troops are just reincarnated Scout troops, meet in the same place, etc. Churches like the Episcopal church who had lesbian priests probably still have boy scout troops. A few places have started Trail Life from scratch. But again, these are going to be people with a Christian worldview. But if you think about it, these are the folks who don't want their boys around gay men in the first place.

[Rawmeo]

Sir Robert Baden-Powell started a movement, and for decades, it had tremendous success and had enough merit to make him and all his descendants proud.

It used to be an extremely alpha organization that helped thousands of children learn leadership, social values, and gave those youth a set of skills that would prove useful all their lives. Now, Sir Baden-Powell must be spinning in his grave with all this nonsense that's happening.

Parents, pull your children out of this immediately, and do not volunteer for them as long as they do not fix this deviance and madness. This isn't the Scouts that the founder wanted. If they don't fix this shit, create your own organization, and take your kids camping yourself. But for fuck's sake, do not ever encourage an organization that pulls such a pathetic move.

Where's Trump? That should be something at the top of his to-do list!

[ExZombie]

I'm confident that the whole transgenderism thing is going to spectacularly implode. It's a new exciting front for leftists seeking to undermine Western society but the whole edifice is especially shaky.

1) It will soon become very apparent that trannies have close to zero sexual prospects. MtF "lesbians" are already finding this out and beginning to attract the ire of leftist lesbians for their grotesque imposition on the very definition of lesbianism. For the lucky ones, sex-reassignment surgery is basically a frankenstein procedure that yields highly unattractive results. Trannies aren't sexually appealing to anybody regardless of sexual orientation besides a tiny minority of sexual deviants.

2) Doctors will soon find it harder and harder to justify puberty-blockers and life-long hormone therapy once the health consequences inevitably start to pile-up.

3) Lefties will soon discover that it's ethnic minorities and not white people who are most opposed to the normalization of transgenderism, particularly in schools.

4) Even the dimmest of feminists will begin to realize that transgenderism is at its heart a refutation of their proposition that men and women are essentially the same.

5) There is already a growing phenomenon of "de-transitioning" where gender dysphoric and even transtrenders are realizing that go trans is a terrible lifestyle choice.

Eventually even far-leftists will have no choice but to admit thait that the emperor has no clothes. This transgender shit is a total non-starter.

[Hypno]

(02-05-2017 02:05 PM)ExZombie Wrote:  

I'm confident that the whole transgenderism thing is going to spectacularly implode. It's a new exciting front for leftists seeking to undermine Western society but the whole edifice is especially shaky.

1) It will soon become very apparent that trannies have close to zero sexual prospects. MtF "lesbians" are already finding this out and beginning to attract the ire of leftist lesbians for their grotesque imposition on the very definition of lesbianism. For the lucky ones, sex-reassignment surgery is basically a frankenstein procedure that yields highly unattractive results. Trannies aren't sexually appealing to anybody regardless of sexual orientation besides a tiny minority of sexual deviants.

2) Doctors will soon find it harder and harder to justify puberty-blockers and life-long hormone therapy once the health consequences inevitably start to pile-up.

3) Lefties will soon discover that it's ethnic minorities and not white people who are most opposed to the normalization of transgenderism, particularly in schools.

4) Even the dimmest of feminists will begin to realize that transgenderism is at its heart a refutation of their proposition that men and women are essentially the same.

5) There is already a growing phenomenon of "de-transitioning" where gender dysphoric and even transtrenders are realizing that go trans is a terrible lifestyle choice.

Eventually even far-leftists will have no choice but to admit thait that the emperor has no clothes. This transgender shit is a total non-starter.

lot of truth there.

also, it reminds me of the Misandrist March on Washington - at some point, you have to ask what are they protesting? what rights do they really want that they don't already have?

[LeeEnfield303]

(02-05-2017 05:18 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

what rights do they really want that they don't already have?

Bond: "You expect me to talk, Goldfinger?"

Goldfinger: "I don't expect you to talk, Mr. Bond...I expect you to die."

[Rawmeo]

(02-05-2017 02:05 PM)ExZombie Wrote:  

I'm confident that the whole transgenderism thing is going to spectacularly implode. It's a new exciting front for leftists seeking to undermine Western society but the whole edifice is especially shaky.

1) It will soon become very apparent that trannies have close to zero sexual prospects. MtF "lesbians" are already finding this out and beginning to attract the ire of leftist lesbians for their grotesque imposition on the very definition of lesbianism. For the lucky ones, sex-reassignment surgery is basically a frankenstein procedure that yields highly unattractive results. Trannies aren't sexually appealing to anybody regardless of sexual orientation besides a tiny minority of sexual deviants.

2) Doctors will soon find it harder and harder to justify puberty-blockers and life-long hormone therapy once the health consequences inevitably start to pile-up.

3) Lefties will soon discover that it's ethnic minorities and not white people who are most opposed to the normalization of transgenderism, particularly in schools.

4) Even the dimmest of feminists will begin to realize that transgenderism is at its heart a refutation of their proposition that men and women are essentially the same.

5) There is already a growing phenomenon of "de-transitioning" where gender dysphoric and even transtrenders are realizing that go trans is a terrible lifestyle choice.

Eventually even far-leftists will have no choice but to admit thait that the emperor has no clothes. This transgender shit is a total non-starter.

A lot of true stuff in there. Nice post.

[NovaVirtu]

This is a disgrace. I was a Boy Scout as a kid and made it all the way to Eagle. My core group of friends from my home town consists primarilly of guys I was in that troop with.

What's the whole point any more? The whole purpose of the organization was to teach charachter and life skills to boys so they could grow into honest functunal adult men. Why not just call it "scouts", make it co-ed and be done with it. One of the last outposts against cultural marxism gives in.

What's going to be the outcome of this? Trans "boys" will start hooking up with fellow scouts and one of them is going to come home with a summer camp pregnancy and it will make the news. Just watch.

Sad day in the history of the BSA.

Interesting fact: Rex Tillerson was the National Chairman (a volunteer postion) of the BSA for many years. I wonder if he'll make a statement about this. I can't imagine he is thrilled.

That is a good point made by ExZombie though- I do think eventually SJWism will collapse in on itself and the trans movement will be the catalyst do to the inherent contradictions between it and radical feminism.

[YoungBlade]

Just out of curiosity, since there seem to be a lot of eagles here, are there any other OA members?

[Hypno]

well that didn't take long, mom enrolls a 9 year old F to M tranny in a cub scout troop in Seacaucus NJ.


http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/20.../97608482/

[Hypno]

(02-08-2017 11:17 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Just out of curiosity, since there seem to be a lot of eagles here, are there any other OA members?

Yes. Of course, it would be unusual to earn Eagle and not have been invited to join OA. OA is what kept me long enough to finish as I got older.

[Kaii]

(02-09-2017 06:30 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 11:17 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Just out of curiosity, since there seem to be a lot of eagles here, are there any other OA members?

Yes. Of course, it would be unusual to earn Eagle and not have been invited to join OA. OA is what kept me long enough to finish as I got older.

Same here, been an OA member for years as well.

[PapayaTapper]

"I was in Cub Scouts but then got kicked out for eating Brownies"

Waited a long time to use that one

[IvanDrago]

(02-08-2017 11:17 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Just out of curiosity, since there seem to be a lot of eagles here, are there any other OA members?

Eagle and OA reporting However, I never got in to the ceremony and drama when it came to OA.

I must say though, I learned ten fold more in scouts than I learned in college, we had great leaders though. A good mix of teachers and business owners in the area.

[Hypno]

W. W. W.

[stugatz]

OA as well.

[The Beast1]

Bumping this thread.

In an attempt to continue their decline into irrelevancy, the Boy Scouts of America are now admitting girls as scouts.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy...ut-n809836

Quote:

The Boy Scouts of America announced Wednesday that girls will soon be allowed to become Cub Scouts and to earn the coveted rank of Eagle Scout, the organization’s highest honor.

"We believe it is critical to evolve how our programs meet the needs of families interested in positive and lifelong experiences for their children," said Michael Surbaugh, chief executive of the Boy Scouts.

The scouting board of directors voted unanimously to make the historic change in an organization that has been primarily for boys since its founding more than 100 years ago.

Starting next year, young girls can join Cub Scout units, known as dens. Local scouting organizations can choose to have dens for girls and dens for boys. "Cub Scout dens will be single-gender — all boys or all girls," the organization said in a statement.

Starting next year, young girls can join Cub Scout units, known as dens. Local scouting organizations can choose to have dens for girls and dens for boys. "Cub Scout dens will be single-gender — all boys or all girls," the organization said in a statement.

A separate program for older girls will be available in 2019, BSA said, enabling them to earn the rank of Eagle Scout.

The Boy Scouts said the moves reflect the changing nature of American life, adding to the appeal of a scouting program that can serve the entire family.

BSA said it commissioned two nationwide surveys that showed parents not involved in scouting had high interest in getting their daughters signed up for both Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.

Related: Boy Scout Leaders to Discuss Offering More Opportunities for Girls

Girls are now part of four scouting programs — Venturing and Sea Scouting, geared toward outdoor activities; Exploring, a career-oriented mentoring program; and STEM, focusing on science and math. But those programs have not offered a path to Eagle Scout for girls.

Earlier this year, the National Organization for Women urged the Boy Scouts to admit girls to the entire program, supporting the efforts of a New York teenager, Sydney Ireland, to attain the rank of Eagle Scout, as her older brother did.

"I just want to do what the Boy Scouts do — earn the merit badges and earn the Eagle Award," she told NBC News. "The Girl Scouts is a great organization, but it's just not the program that I want to be part of. I think girls should just have the opportunity to be a member of any organization they want regardless of gender."

In the past, the Girl Scouts have been cool to the idea of admitting girls into the Boy Scouts, citing research which showed that many girls learn best in an all-female environment.

"We are unparalleled in our ability to build great female leaders who contribute to society at every level," said Andrea Bastiani Archibald, a psychologist who helps guide the Girl Scouts

Why doesn't the Girl Scouts of America incorporate these programs into their midst? Oh yeah, because we need to force more women into boys only programs!

[John Michael Kane]

I'm ashamed to admit to people I was in this once-great organization. My first ever camping, BBQ'ing and many other firsts in growing up as a young man. Got into my first ever fist fight with another scout, as did my brother. Great learning experiences. What a sad, sad day that they've become a bunch of pozzed out degenerates and vagina lickers to appease to everyone.

[Easy_C]

Quote:

"I just want to do what the Boy Scouts do — earn the merit badges and earn the Eagle Award," she told NBC News. "The Girl Scouts is a great organization, but it's just not the program that I want to be part of. I think girls should just have the opportunity to be a member of any organization they want regardless of gender."

Notice how she isn't actually interested in any of the camping or outdoor activities....just the badge and status accrual.

[debeguiled]

Ah, the good old days.

[El Padrone]

What you learn early, you learn for life. And I can attest to this in my life and the lives of the greats I read about.If there's a hell, there must be a special place in it for degenerates who put gender fluidity ideas in defenseless blank minds.

[ElFlaco]

I regret quitting Scouts when I was nine. Well, not really. No dads were available to lead the 'pack' (this was Webelows?) so we had a 'den mother' instead, who was lame.

There's a lot of bullshit in scouting but some good stuff, too, or at least their was. It's probably a net positive for boys who don't have a strong masculine influence at home. I was attracted to the nerdy 'badge accumulation' thing for learning skills. I didn't like that you had to wear your uniform to school on meeting day.

[SlickyBoy]

This is fucking pathetic - what are they going to call themselves? Gender Neutral Scouts? Looks like we are witnessing yet another rotting beam giving way within the house of western civilization.

I just dug up my old Weblos (We'll Be Loyal Scouts) scout manual from decades ago. That edition was published in 1967 but we were still using it over ten years later as cub scouts. I continued on to boy scouts but didn't go very far with them - not many people stuck it out to Eagle back then, undoubtedly fewer still do it today. Nevertheless, I spent a good five years in scouting as did most of my friends. We fished, built survival huts, hiked and camped all over the place, both informally and at Boy Scout camps in my area.

Over the years since then, I noticed whenever I saw scouts, there were fewer and fewer cub scouts, and most young kids seemed to participating boy scouts right off the bat. The uniforms were always incomplete and often didn't have many awards on them. Their main activity seemed to be fundraising once or twice a year. Very rarely do I see a scout much older than twelve - presumably one who's on the path to Eagle. Most of the adult leaders I see nowadays look like they'd barely know how to light a barbecue much less a campfire in the middle of the woods. It may be different in the more rural parts of the country - I hope.

This obviously isn't data driven but I think I'm on to something in terms of demographics and who is participating. When the country was less urban, not as atomized and had fewer single mothers, there were more scouts doing more things outside, for longer and with positive male role models. Fast forward to rampant single motherhood and dads with either restricted or otherwise limited time with their kids and the family focus obviously shifted to who has the most time with the kids.

There probably are not as many girl scout chapters around. Hence, if time reserved for scouting is left mostly to single moms and the Boy Scouts have a bigger infrastructure, the "leadership" feels like they have little choice to make it easy for all the former carousel riders have a place to drop off all their kids for an evening versus just the boys. Given all of the you go girlism and reduction of the role of males in general, this cop out is unsurprising. Combine this with the homosexual agenda already planted and stand by for the uptick in sex scandals of all sorts.

[Renzy]

The Left in this country is (successfully) doing everything it can to eradicate all of the institutions that have traditionally fostered healthy masculinity. BSA was one of the last remaining organizations that gave boys a space of their own to interact and build camaraderie. For many boys from single-mother homes it also provided a male role model / father figure. All of that is going away.

They want to make sure there are no alternatives for you (and especially your kids) to get away from their PC social engineering.

The SJW Left destroys everything it touches.

[puckerman]

I sometimes wish I had stuck with scouts. It's been shown many times that boys involved with scouting grow to be good men.

There's a guy my age (46) who is still a good friends with his best friend from scouts. They've been friends since they were probably eight or so.

[Vill@in]

The Feminist ideology rolls on:

1) Infiltrate Male Institutions

2) Accuse these males of misogyny and rape/harassment

3) Garner public sympathy; Further vilify male gender

4) Profit