[John Michael Kane]

Another maximum I live by: Do not attempt to fix the broken woman. You are not her therapist. Only invest in women that are whole. Develop the tools and the gut instinct to filter between the crisp apples and thes filled with worms.

[Chetthebaker]

Does going for your cock to suck on it count as her taking control?
How about when she moves down to your balls without guidance?

[XPQ22]

(01-16-2017 12:52 AM)Windom Earle Wrote:  

Sluts don't always equate to freaks in the sheets. That's a misnomer.

She may be the biggest slut and the worst dead-root you've encountered (no coyness employed).

The true sign is they won't be able to feign legitimate LMR because it's a foreign concept to them.

It's true! Girls with high notch counts can be often be surprisingly bad lays. Maybe two reasons for this:

They've never been in a relationship with the same man long enough to learn what actually pleases one, so the sex ends up either being dead-fish or over-the-top, uncomfortable porn satire;

And their promiscuity is a manifestation of their own self-absorption, so at the end of the day they don't really care.

[LeoneVolpe]

^ I agree with you both, and also offer this:

In my experience, the more attractive a woman is, the less likely she is to put forth an impressive sexual performance. I've banged 8s and 9s who had the sexual enthusiasm of a corpse, whilst other 6s and 7s I've been with have fucked like their lives depended on it. It's almost as if ultra-attractive women think the "privilege" of fucking them is enough so they don't put any real effort into the encounter -- yet wonder why their men still cheat on them.

As for how far sluts will go to try and hide who they really are, never underestimate a woman's ability to deceive.

[Mayweather]

As far as her desire for you or social acceptance will take her.

If she sees that your a quieter mysterious type who's expressed he likes a modest girl, prepare for her best mother Theresa impression. If you rock a leather jacket and have two tattooed sleeves, she may be a virigin but pretend to have been in orgies to excite you. Women are like water and take the shape of the container they're in. Hence why bringing a girl from the Ukraine or anywhere else doesn't do anything to stop the decay from being in the wrong environment. A girl with a strong moral code can resist the trappings of easy attention to a degree, which is what most sluttery is, but most cave with the right stimulus. Never tell her what you want in a woman right away and ask questions while looking for signs about her past. Blues Clues type shit, just like John Michael Kane said. All reveals itself when you rely on her actions and not the stories she tells her self.

[Meat Head]

When around 'alphas' women show their slutty side, when around unattractive men sluts show their prude side.

[Rhyme or Reason]

It seems that they do less and less as each year goes by to hide their sluttiness. The social climate has all but removed any constraints to necessitate that. I agree with Trav's assessment about bedroom experience and enthusiasm.

The shitty part for me is, most of the chicks I've banged on a regular basis were sluts, because I refuse to fuck a dead fish more than once. So naturally I kept around the better lays which means more sluts in my life, which sucks.

[Rawmeo]

Faking her notch count - well actually not faking, but some guys "do not count".

[Mercenary]

I often meet girls who are "reformed sluts".
These are the type of girls who gave it away really easy when they were teens and in their early 20s, and were pumped and dumped so many times, they now make guys wait and work for it over the course of many dates, thinking it will attract better quality men. But all they get are betas which they subconsciously never get turned on by. These are the worst kind of women in the 25 plus age bracket. Avoid them as soon as you notice them making you wait for no reason.

However, when meeting a girl that I know is a slut, I like it when she owns her promiscuous nature and does not apologise for it. But shes has to do it with class and femininity. Dressing real slutty, foul language, piercings and tattoos all are horrrible. However, a well dressed girl, shly alluding to being the horny type can encourage a man to bring that hidden animal nature back out of her, just for him.

For me, a girl who alludes very softly spoken and with gentle subtlety to being a closet nymphomaniac can be one of the best types of turn on. It makes you hungry and wanting more all the time.

That my friends is the essence of pure true female seduction....endless teasing that you can't get enough of, no matter how many times you fuck her.

[RatInTheWoods]

Dating in the older age category (30-45) I fucking hate women who you just know were huge sluts in their younger days, turning it all off and retiring from sexual effort.

Anal is out, blowjobs are rationed, road head is "disgusting" etc.

Yet they were banging and blowing their way through their 20s with no hangups or hold outs.

[Baphomet]

(02-13-2017 01:38 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Dating in the older age category (30-45) I fucking hate women who you just know were huge sluts in their younger days, turning it all off and retiring from sexual effort.

Anal is out, blowjobs are rationed, road head is "disgusting" etc.

Yet they were banging and blowing their way through their 20s with no hangups or hold outs.

I'm dating the same age group mostly. My experience has been the opposite. Most I've been with are pretty damn horny - once a bit of comfort is established. The recently separated, not yet divorced, crowd seems especially willing to do pretty much anything.

[Rhyme or Reason]

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[aar0nmaxw3ll]

(01-16-2017 01:08 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

One sign that is hard to fake:

A girl that has been promiscuous usually has tried many different things with many guys including positions, oral, anal, cum in mouth, cum on face whatever....

She will usually have what she really does and does not like down pat, and many times not be as flexible upfront I believe as a girl that has less partners and is willing to try something she may have done once or twice before with a different partner (or hopefully never) and she hasn't decided how much she really likes it or not.

Sluts have enough experience they know for sure with certainty what they do and do not like because they probably have tried the same things will multiple guys and decided what works and what doesn't.

A been there done that attitude.

Also if at ANY point she tries to take control in the bedroom, or tells you outright what makes her cum that is a tell she decided she has tried enough ways with enough guys again.

A girl with little experience in partners will never try to take control in the bedroom or direct.

this is also true if she's had a long term relationship like the chick i'm seeing whose longest relationship was 4 years

[Robert High Hawk]

When I was living in a very large coastal US city a few years ago, the Tinder game was good. Mine was... meh... but either way I went on an incredible amount of first dates. Before I locked down a good system/routine to close the deal, I think that it was quite variant as to who was a real "slut" - OUTSIDE of the tell tale signs of tattoos etc...

Why not just ask? And ask for some details, not in an accussatory way, but out of genuine curiousity as to how her past relationships failed, who's fault was it, etc...

Of course she'll at a minimum embellish her side of the story, but you will get a great view into her mind. For example, if she exclusively bashes her ex for being a total jerk/fuckboy whatever, then you know she's got a victim mentality. If she actually takes some ownership or is charitable towards her ex/s then you'll know she's more reasonable. If she brings up ex after ex after ex, well then you also know something. Asking very non-judgementally is where it's at, and gets you a good window on her mind and soul. Just my opinion...

[augen sehen]

How about the other side? Do you guys try to hide that you are a player? Like, what if she asks you about exes and you bring up more than a couple? I can see some girls getting worried if they already like you (so no preselection switch being flipped by hearing about past conquests) but if they think you are a player they will be more guarded around you.

[RatInTheWoods]

(02-13-2017 11:14 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:38 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Dating in the older age category (30-45) I fucking hate women who you just know were huge sluts in their younger days, turning it all off and retiring from sexual effort.

Anal is out, blowjobs are rationed, road head is "disgusting" etc.

Yet they were banging and blowing their way through their 20s with no hangups or hold outs.

I'm dating the same age group mostly. My experience has been the opposite. Most I've been with are pretty damn horny - once a bit of comfort is established. The recently separated, not yet divorced, crowd seems especially willing to do pretty much anything.

Ah yes FWB and quick bangs, yes definitely!

But I said "dating".

Any older woman who sees you as a viable LTR will try and convince you she was never a slut in younger days, and all the things she did to Chad are off the menu...

[Alpone]

This is getting into madonna/whore issues. In 2017 America it's safe to assume every woman is a slut to some degree. Why wouldn't they be? Unlimited options and no societal constraints. If you had that power and opportunity, wouldn't you take it? Are men really surprised by 30+ notch counts anymore?

The degree to which she minimizes her sluttiness and doesn't let it effect other aspects of her life is key. Does she wear it with pride or does she have a sense of decency? Her ability to only be a slut for her man if in a relationship is also key. Personally I would never commit to a high cock count chick but some innocent looking girl next door types have taken more than you could ever imagine and can hide it pretty well. Unless you've known the girl for a few years and pick up on the most subtle cues (or go through her phone/FB or talk to her friends honestly), you may never really know.

On the other hand, there are girls who you just know are straight up sluts based on appearance and can never hide it. I'm a big believer in physiognomy. Certain facial characteristics can predict personality pretty well. These chicks are easy to avoid if looking for a stable relationship.

I've seen men devastated when the angel they thought they were dating turned out to be a cock-hungry whore. If you begin with the default assumption of slut-hood, it's a far more realistic way of looking at women and the current condition of the western world.

[XXL]

Women will do anything to hide their promiscuous side from people and avoid being judged. Nothing new under the sun.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

(02-18-2017 03:44 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  

How about the other side? Do you guys try to hide that you are a player? Like, what if she asks you about exes and you bring up more than a couple? I can see some girls getting worried if they already like you (so no preselection switch being flipped by hearing about past conquests) but if they think you are a player they will be more guarded around you.

From my experience, if the girl is really into you, not only will she not ask these questions- she will stop you from talking about previous relationships and other girls.

This is probably due to their internal framework warning them not to ask questions they don't want answered truthfully and from that, blowing up the fantasy of a new, fun, and mysterious man. Knowing she's only one of many to have been down this road with you, and knowing the others failed in the end, doesn't fit her romantic comedy happy ending.

If she's not really into you (yet), it's a shit test that is easily dealt with using agree and amplify.

[General Stalin]

They hide it with words but never with actions, just like any other lie girls tell.