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12-11-2016, 09:22 PM
Quote: (12-11-2016 08:11 PM)John Twist Wrote:
Ok to the people saying that the Egyptians were white.
I got a few questions for you.
I thought whites come from Europe. The pyramids in Egypt were built 3,000 years ago. If the Egyptians were white, then where are all the artifacts in Europe proving that white people built those pyramids?
If pyramids were built in Africa 3,000 years ago and the people were white, then where is the literature 3,000 years ago proving this?
Egypt= Africa
Europe= White people
Europeans= Europe
How in the hell are Egyptians considered white people?
If those people building pyramids in Egypt were white, then where did those people come from? How in the hell did these white people survive in Egypt genetically without dying of the different diseases of the day in a hostile environment that was not natural to their genetics when whites supposibly come from Europe? How?
Some things to consider.
Africa generally means Sub-Sahara Africa which acted as an insourmountable barrier for most of mankind's time, except in East Africa where Nubians settled a kingdom in modern day Sudan.
In addition, North Africa including Egypt was not 'Africa' in that sense, it was part of the Mediteranean area, which is easy to see from a map. Egyptians sailed far and wide and later on Phoenicians (early as 1500bc) sailed all the way to the British Isles. Important to know to understand ancient people moved around, then as now.
As for what 'white' means, that's a topic of some contention. There have been modern humans - Cro Magnon - in Europe for 50.000 years. Around 10.000 years ago, another kind of white people move into Europe from Anatolia, modern day Turkey. These people found many empires such as the Minoan, where they get to around 9000bc, which had its capital on Crete and they were around something like 3500bc to 1500bc. That is, around the time Egypt becomes a power.
The Minoans were most certainly white by every modern definition, though Mediteranean in looks, darker hair and eye color.
Some scholars believe that Minoans were refugees from Egypt following some civil war there around 5000bc due to similarity in art among other things.
And in fact with current genetical research we know which haplogroups those Minoans had, which yields some surprising results:
http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871
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The greatest percentage of shared Minoan haplotypes was observed with European populations, particularly with individuals from Northern and Western Europe (26.98% and 29.28%, respectively) (Figs 2, 3, 4; Supplementary Table S7). Notably, in Fig. 4, a gradient can be observed, with the lowest affinity for Minoans found with Northern African populations and the percentage of haplotype sharing increasing as we move through the Middle East, Caucasus and the Mediterranean islands, southern Europe and mainland Europe (Fig. 4a). Of notice also is the high percentage of haplotype sharing with B
Our results strongly suggest that the principal matrilineal genetic relationships of the Minoans are with Neolithic, ancient and modern European populations. Such findings are in support of the hypothesis of an autochthonous origin of the Minoan civilization by the descendants of the Neolithic settlers of the island4,13. As it has been proposed for the other Neolithic European populations21,22,23, the most likely origin of the Cretan Neolithic settlers was Anatolia and the Middle East
That is interesting, because it actually says Minoans have the most genetically in common, not with Southern Europeans, but with North Western Europeans, namely those of the British Isles, who before the Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Romans invaded were a much darker haired people.
It also says Minoans have the least in common with modern day North Africans.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22527821
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Evans named the people who built these cities after the legendary King Minos who, according to tradition, ordered the construction of a labyrinth on Crete to hold the mythical half-man, half-bull creature known as the minotaur.
Evans was of the opinion that the real-life Bronze Age culture on Crete must have its origins elsewhere.
And so, he suggested that the Minoans were refugees from Egypt's Nile delta, fleeing the region's conquest by a southern king some 5,000 years ago.
The guy who discovered the Crete minoan culture thought they couldn't have been European, because Europe at 3500bc was a dead end with no real civilization at all.
Genetics tells us they were in fact Europeans.
How does that match, one isolated highly advanced Mediteranean European civilization when the rest of Europe is barely out of the stone age?
BBC writes it proves Minoans were not Egyptians, they like to do this kind of sleight of hand, conveniently ignoring the Arab conquests and the Nubian conquests of Egypt.
As Excelsior writes, it is difficult to know who the ancient Egyptians were unless you do DNA testing and modern day Egyptians don't want Europeans to do it, perhaps because they fear that it will show that they are not the descendants of the early dynasties.
In any case, the Minoan example shows how 'white' people could easily have settled Egypt and did in fact live in the areas of modern day Turkey, Persia, Levant and Mesopotamia until they were displaced by Arabs, Turks and other invading groups, much later.