[Darkwing Buck]

(06-22-2017 12:58 PM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 12:20 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

First you said now is the best time to date because of social media.

Then you said you meant it's the best time for you PERSONALLY cuz you learned game and got experience.

(06-22-2017 06:05 AM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  

He is saying that while everybody else is stuck on dating apps, those who can unplug from the matrix (the red pill minority) will be better equipped.

Once you know better (game) and see social media for the tool it is instead of mistaking it for reality you can exploit it and those who are absorbed in it. You can even pay someone on this forum to make you a mini star and have thousands of women follow you. How much easier do you want things to be? I hope you can see how this connects those two points. If you don't let's just drop it.

When the fuck did I ever comment on social media? Please quote me. I'll wait. You think people on the ROOSHV FORUM of all places don't know the power of social media???




Once again, you are talking in circles and refuse to stand by your words.

So now you went from saying now is the best time to date because of social media, to backtracking and saying now is the best time for YOU PERSONALLY because you gained knowledge/experience/understanding, to saying anyone who talks about the past is complaining, to saying anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know shit about social media.

Say what you want to say and stop talking in circles. Every time you post you move the goalposts which is what I bluntly said like 3 responses ago. And yet still here we are.

[birthday cat]

(06-22-2017 01:25 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

So now you went from saying now is the best time to date because of social media, to backtracking and saying now is the best time for YOU PERSONALLY because you gained knowledge/experience/understanding, to saying anyone who talks about the past is complaining, to saying anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know shit about social media.

He didn't say any of those things. You are spinning the hell out of everything he said in order to make your straw man arguments.

Everything he said can be summed up with the word "adapt". He said he adapted to social media, he said he adapted his game which led to success, he said that guys should adapt instead of complaining, etc.

He also said "let's just drop it" if you don't understand what he is saying. He is trying to let it go while you are trying very hard to create drama.

[ziggystardust]

'Adapting' to social media game will still lead to a poorer ROI than earlier times unless you're travelling out of the west. The game isn't just 'different' now. Chicks are trading sex and intimacy for likes and favourites. Most of the time using social media is just getting in line to be another orbiter in the collection of a vast array. It's like porn to them. Why do you think millenials are having less sex now than ever? The easiertogetlaid-hardertofindagoodgirl theory is pure cope. It's one of the worst times in modern history for both. Social circle game is literally all that's left if you still want to find your looks match for more than a ONS, and even that's been made harder because of the left/right attention she'll be getting.

[Skank_Hunt]

(06-21-2017 11:04 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Absolutely, it's nuts, if you try to be a decent human being here in the U.S., it's like you're wearing chick-repellent. I'm not talking about being a pushover, I'm talking about being just neutral. In America, I basically have to insult my way into a woman's pants. Two American girls have said this right before I had a one night stand with them (separately), this exact phrase:

"Spaniard88, you're a jerk! A charming jerk!"

Even with decent, well raised girls with respectable jobs, heck doctors who really were, despite their career, genuinely sweet and had this determination to help people... or young nurses who were still feminine and sweet (at least compared to most girls in the US)...

I would still have to start of pretty much by insulting them, sometimes to the point where they are actually mad, but then when they get to that point I pick something about them I know they value deeply and comment on that. If it's a nurse it's about how she has done so well to get to this point, how hard she's worked and how she has to stay on the wards all night while I am sleeping or partying (ha ha). I think that even average looking chicks are so bombarded with compliments that they actually cannot believe anything men say anymore: everything is to try to get in their pants, so they just put all men (most in the US) in that basket the minute it happens, unless it's a mini celebrity or top 1% looks guy. However what the initial teasing turned into insults of various kinds delivered in a casual manner (a lot of them now know about negging so it has to appear natural so it takes some great acting skills as well) seem to do is first differentiate you from other men, but then in addition, when you pull her back with the casual, yet often quite "deep" compliment (again, good acting needed, 10x if you're talking to a vapid whore), she actually believes it, feels butterflies in her stomach and the word that gets used a lot is "charming". The game term is "push-pull" but this is kind of another level of it, that's all.

It's always good especially if you're not top 1% in looks or famous to see your "clown/oscar winning" game succeed, but even if it does succeed, I've noticed, by the time I'm banging the girl, I am already exhausted and still on edge from the verbal warfare, so I can't really enjoy the bang that much.

I've even been to fucking France and Germany (anywhere out of the Anglosphere), and been just casual and neutral and got more success out there for 10x less stress. Heck even italian girls who are known to be difficult received me better than girls in the states. In decent sized cities a lot of these will be on foreign girls, like asians, south americans, but still the native population didn't require me to be the game equivalent of a mixture of Jonah Hill in Superbad combined with Kim Jong Un in order to have a girl interested in me.

The more I dress like an aggressive ex-convict in the US, the more attention I get, even from sweet feminine girls. This type of stuff scares a lot of girls off in the more traditional non-anglo countries. I know how some of the day gamers like to dress in a very edgy manner with multiple chains, dragon t-shirts or whatever and skull rings. I hate to do that kind of shit, it's the new Mystery fuzzy hat.

I've noticed there are some girls who will flip if you push it too far, the best thing I've noticed to do when a girl does that is tell her as sincerely as you can "X, I love you, I love you, I love you", again casually but with oscar winning sincerity. If you've known this girl for minutes it will be insane to her that she could believe it, but she does, so she is often smitten at that point. In my better days of game I've had girls speechless, run away, and come back like little kittens, saying almost breathlessly that they needed time to process what just happened there.
But I'm not talking like I can or do do that every day, no way. That is some of the power of it at its best. In fact I'm pretty fucking disillusioned with it because girls you'd think are intelligent are all the same and it's really quite dark, sad and exhausting that in order to get a girl you have to act so well, often things that you would never really do otherwise. At the same time as the warfare, there has to be the opposite involved, and you're also thinking about logistics, so you have to have multiple cores to your processor doing one task at a time. Today I saw a girl from behind who looked hot with an oldish (maybe nearly 50-60) man, I drove past and saw she was asian, and carrying his baby. That was the hottest girl I saw today. I know that guy has probably married her and all to get her over here, but I doubt very much he had to fire verbal ICBMs just to pique her interest.

I might be motivated to do it for model type Russian style 8s, but for common, basic, annoying 6s? Yes of course I would prefer to date now than 10,000 years ago in african tribes but other posters are right I long for the 70s, 80s and even 90s myself. "When a girl's phone number was her home number" (and you often had to speak to her dad or her mom before getting to ask her out) When even the mainstream, top of the charts music was hot as shit and everyone had something in common. There have been many worse times, but many much better times too. I know logically a fucking gay instagram page of me going "wooo!! here's my super awesome life girls!! and to prove it's super awesome and how I'm super cool look at all my followers including all these hot chicks man I'm so cool" but I can't, I just can't. No hate for those that do it but I like to speak to girls in real life and without verbally socking them one on or two seconds after the opener.

[Thinking Out Loud]

(06-15-2017 12:03 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

I know dude kinda capes for women, but I can't knock his hustle. He makes some really good points. I think I'm done with Internet dating. The returns on my investment -time or otherwise - are disastrous. I'll leave my hooks in the water in case anything bites, but that's about it.

The video is good, but the guy is just scamming women.

[Kid Twist]

^ And when it's an accent, it seals your suspicion. Did people forget that the new world is all about esoteric bullshit like "making it" on youtube? Genuine ideas have taken a back seat to marketing or even outright theft (as in comedy). That's just what technology does, you can see and experience so many more random people and points of view.

I clicked on this thread a long time ago; when I re-entered it today, I immediately noticed how the terminology is the first thing I saw and know that the starting from the wrong premise you'll always end up lost. Very few people "date" anymore. Real dating would be what true courting was YEARS ago. And if you say courting these days, people would pretty much just laugh.

ONS may be a goal of some, but let's be real --- they're not a good ROI. They're like winning a single baseball game, not the World Series. The World Series gets you a ring forever. The single game everyone forgets might only be remembered by the rosin or pine tar on your "bat" lol

[Skank_Hunt]

(06-28-2017 03:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

ONS may be a goal of some, but let's be real --- they're not a good ROI. They're like winning a single baseball game, not the World Series. The World Series gets you a ring forever. The single game everyone forgets might only be remembered by the rosin or pine tar on your "bat" lol

Excellent point. I find ROI of ONS very low as well. You do all the hard work only to bang once? And hell I do it raw 100% of the time otherwise I don't do it; there are guys out there having tons of ONS with condoms on and they must really, really enjoy nightlife and the process of (often) verbal warfare and all the other shit you have to do to get a ONS. While it used to be arguably the opposite in the past, retention is a huge problem with the abundance women now have, and other things like fast bangs triggering buyer's remorse etc.. So we're often forced to ONS. However it's still true that your chances of seeing a girl again for a (hopefully much less stressful) repeat are far higher if you've already banged her, and banged her well.

For continued new notches versus a stable/rotation/mLTRs, it seems like such a waste. You do all the "heavy lifting" in getting the first bang, and you just throw it away. My mom always told me to never leave any food on the plate so I try and get as much as I can out of each girl before I prefer wacking off on my own to doing her which is usually a sign it's time to get a new girl. Short-medium term relationships are great because you can relax and do different stuff like you can teach her to massage your balls properly and milk your prostate and stuff like that. You can watch TV while just sucking on her nipple like a baby, you can do stuff like wrestling where she wins if she manages to suffocate you by sitting on your face. I like to do relaxing things and I find that impossible on the ONS where it is adrenaline pumping hard.

It's not just how many girls you bang, it's how much you banged each girl, how much enjoyment did you get from her in exchange for your hard work.

[rudebwoy]

Too young in the 60s, in high school in the 70s, but I was in my early 20s in the 80s, and I never get into specifics because it would make you slump over unable to continue.

On the plus side, guys today who study game are light years ahead of the mooks back then, if you were back there, you would have cleaned up.

The main difference is, back then, the women took it on themselves to move the relationship forward, not the other way around like today.

They did it in girly, indirect ways, but there was no mistaking intention, even for the doofs like me and most of my friends.

It wasn't like, one mistake over a text and she is a ghost. She didn't have all the fake possibilities of the internet back then. All she had was you and whoever else was around that night. She would try and play it cool, but if guys didn't step up, she would take it into her own hands, so to speak.

I remember once after playing some ball, I was sitting with a group of my friends in a bar in a big group, and we were talking with each other and exchanging looks with a table of girls on the other side of the room. Too wimpy to go over and say something. The girls played the eye game for a while, but started feeling insecure when no one came over, so they got up to leave. As they were going out the door, they drifted over near our table and one of the girls yelled at our table: "Why didn't any of you idiots come over and talk to us."

We invited them to join us, and it was on. Bar hopping. Pairing up. Leaving with some girl to her place. Zero talent required.

I only remember being flaked on once, and it was an instant next, even though the term next hadn't been invented yet. I was offended as a human being.

Girls kept their word if they said they were going to meet, just like human beings.

What else? Oh, yeah, cute young girls not only existed in San Francisco, they were particularly forward because they were under the impression that most men in the city were gay, and it was up to them to make it happen if they met a straight guy.

This is a story for another time, but I once talked a cute young information operator (411!) into coming over to my house when she got off work. It could be like that, call up information to get a phone number, and end up with a girl delivering herself to your door.

It wasn't game, it was just relaxation, and being up for anything, and seeing where the night might lead. The chicks took care of the rest.

You felt no pressure, that it was enough to be you, and that there were plenty of girls to choose from.

Okay, enough for now, because like I said, guys with game today have massive skill levels, incomprehensible to someone back then, so there are compensations to the difficulty level.

debeguiled posted this in another thread, I thought it was better suited here.

[heavy]

Maybe it's me. I don't think, "what a great time to date".

Don't most of us want a simple life, hot loving wife, kids, clean house, etc, etc.

I don't glorify the 'dating' life, certainly no more than I glorify the fucking around life. Call me crazy but if I'm still fucking around in 10 years it's because I haven't found the woman yet.

Here's my take, always a ying-yang as you'll see:
My friends who are married with children...actually, Al Bundy is probably very representative. They don't get sex often, it's not great sex, and they live a 'boring' life, but it's fulfilling because they have their loving wife and children and get to shape lives, etc, etc.
And they envy my sex life and freedom. A lot.

I live alone. I have lotsa freedom. I train BJJ and work out. I can go boating or camping or golfing or snowboarding or away for the weekend any time I want. I have sex with any willing babe.
And I envy their more simple life. I envy their progeny.

Let's not glorify and chastise either lifestyle too much. Societally, we should glorify families, because women are a product of society. Women should definitely not be glorifying the single life and dating. Men just do whatever works.

Personally, as a man, you should see the ying-yang of both lifestyles.

I credit this guy for his business acumen in drawing a crowd to preach this hogwash to women, but I don't think I could morally ever do that (I don't judge him, I just disagree). I could never tell women how great dating is for them, especially 25+ women.

[chitown72]

(06-28-2017 07:37 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 03:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

ONS may be a goal of some, but let's be real --- they're not a good ROI. They're like winning a single baseball game, not the World Series. The World Series gets you a ring forever. The single game everyone forgets might only be remembered by the rosin or pine tar on your "bat" lol

Excellent point. I find ROI of ONS very low as well.

retention is a huge problem with the abundance women now have, and other things like fast bangs triggering buyer's remorse etc.. So we're often forced to ONS.

It's not just how many girls you bang, it's how much you banged each girl, how much enjoyment did you get from her in exchange for your hard work.

I can't agree with you more but there are going to be different strokes for different folks. I noticed that it is relatively easy for ONS as the girl is caught off guard half the time but once her hamster wheel starts spinning or if she talks to her circle of friends, that's when retention can be a problem.

Personally I like to go for repeat bangs so depending on the girl, I may tone it down on the first date and go for it 2nd or 3rd(generally accepted by both sexes) date. Banging on 2nd and 3rd dates has repeatedly led to repeat bangs usually.

(06-29-2017 10:41 AM)heavy Wrote:  

Maybe it's me. I don't think, "what a great time to date".

Don't most of us want a simple life, hot loving wife, kids, clean house, etc, etc.

I don't glorify the 'dating' life, certainly no more than I glorify the fucking around life. Call me crazy but if I'm still fucking around in 10 years it's because I haven't found the woman yet.

Here's my take, always a ying-yang as you'll see:
My friends who are married with children...actually, Al Bundy is probably very representative. They don't get sex often, it's not great sex, and they live a 'boring' life, but it's fulfilling because they have their loving wife and children and get to shape lives, etc, etc.
And they envy my sex life and freedom. A lot.

Let's not glorify and chastise either lifestyle too much. Societally, we should glorify families, because women are a product of society. Women should definitely not be glorifying the single life and dating. Men just do whatever works.

Personally, as a man, you should see the ying-yang of both lifestyles.

We always seem to want what we don't have. In my case I have everything but at a crossroads in my life wanting more.

[Skank_Hunt]

(06-29-2017 09:51 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

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Haha, hell yeah to those days, and this is not just a case of rose tinted glasses because of nostalgia, it was literally the truth. I've got better game now and look better now, but I used to get checked out, strong IOIs, approached, talked about with obvious giggling etc. And I am no male model, no male 8 or 9. Just average I'd say. A bit cocky at times but also knew nothing about game so I wasted a LOT of chances. If I regret anything it's about how much I wasted back in those days, hell, a lot of it due to abundance or because I had a quality girlfriend. For example when a girls from down the street or the street above would just come down and knock on my door asking me to come out, and I shouted out of the window no thanks I'm playing on the computer. And these are girls who nowadays would be defined as anywhere from cute to hot with about 100 guys chasing her in one form or another. I laughed at the girls' "idiot" quote, because it's the exact same word I would describe myself with at that time.

Aside from having no game and weak beta closing "game", I also think there was just generally a more relaxed vibe. If you think about how you would respond today to a cute girl (heck even a barely bangable girl) knocking at your door, versus in the 70s 80s or 90s, today you would be laser focused on getting that bang ASAP because you know if you get the bang you have a far greater chance of banging her again. And of course just for the first bang itself. When something is perceived as scarce and it is quite important to people, there is more urgency in their pursuit of it. Although we preach abundance here, we still live in relative scarcity and we have adapted our "game" accordingly. In the 80s I lived in a world where flaking was rare, girls were my friends not "verbal sparring partners", and nice girls were abundant and reliable enough that I was chilled out about it. Other guys were similar: they would have girlfriends but weren't doing crazy whiteknight shit or fighting other guys or trying to get shredded in the gym or learning advanced cold approach game just to get some. Such urgency bordering on panic would have been alien to me and other guys like me back then.

It reminds me of that Biggie song on his first album:

Remember back in the days... all friendly... lounging at the BBQs... sippin' brews... hangin' on the avenues... turn your pages to 1993...

Change the date to 2017 and the theme to women and it reminds me of that. But at the time I was blissfully aware of what was to come. Both a blessing and a curse. If I had known I would have gotten depressed because I always thought the future looked brighter, Biggie was going to stay alive and keep getting better, like all my favorite artists (now look at "hip-hop" or whatever the hell that shit is nowadays), I was only going to improve and get better girls with less effort, etc. If I had known I would have been more proactive, heck you didn't need anything but the most basic don't fuck up game, so I didn't even need hardcore game back then, just be more proactive and don't take shit for granted. But at the same time I liked being able to relax with a girl like you said. It wasn't some kind of time-limited battle or chore as it is now, the opposite of relaxing. And the flake rate, even in SA/EE, is fucking huge compared to what it used to be.

I remember a lot of the faces (and bodies) of the girls I could have easily banged but didn't. These girls I could casually pass by, but today they would be in the top tier of girls in terms of natural beauty and sex appeal. Today that tier is going for modeling, billionaires, semi-famous guys, famous guys, rappers, saudi princes, you name it.

[rudebwoy]

^Your whole post is straight up flames.

Back then you missed many opportunities and didn't care because another one would come around the corner.

I still don't understand why girls flake, I know girls that are hot for me and still pull that crap. I go on total ignore and then they come running.

The motto for these times should be adapt or die.

[MongolianAbroad]

(06-29-2017 06:48 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:51 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

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So true, man.

I remember in grad school, I was living in a black neighborhood, I'd walk down the street to grab some beers and the young girls would start giggling and hollering at me as I walked past them.

I remember going downtown with two buddies and this girl sees me and basically wants to rape me. I was more introverted back then, I missed out on so many bangs, I was fucking clueless, I've literally had girls come up to me years later telling me, "Spaniard88, I've wanted to fuck you so bad since I met you." Fucking clueless.

So anyway, one of my buddies tells that girl to tag along with us to the bar, and she does. At the bar, she unbuttons her shirt, flashes me, and tells me she's going to do things to me I've never imagined. So I don't really want to sleep with her, she's a 5 at best, thin and tall, but her face wasn't attractive, so I say, "Look, I'll sleep with you tonight, but only if you sleep with my two buddies also, all three of us."

So the girl goes, "All right, but I don't do anal."

So then I'm like, fuck, I didn't think she'd say yes, and I can't have us actually do this, we could be on the front page the next day with false rape charges and we'd all get expelled from school. Plus, she was a 5 at best.

My buddies, meanwhile, were high-fiving, excited, and ready to go.

I explained to them that this was not going to go down, and we made our getaway, with them doing so reluctantly, but not before that girl basically manhandled my balls.

Another time I'm at the bar and this girl just comes up to me from behind, hugs me, feels me up, and says, "You look lost, maybe I have what you're looking for?" One of my two buddies from the other night was standing next to me when that happened. We get back to school on Monday and he's like, "You...don't even have to do anything, Spaniard88...they throw themselves at you..."

It was just different, and this was between 2004 and 2006, a decade ago. Everything changed. I still get hit on like that sometimes, but it's just not like before. I look the same, I'm arguably more attractive now, I grew my hair out and got braces recently, my teeth used to be quite crooked, and people regularly mistake me for being 24 (I'm in my 30's), I'm just very youthful-looking. A year ago, I had slimmed down an extra 10 pounds off my usual weight, and I actually got carded at the movies (it was rated R), my buddy that was with me had a good laugh about it, but he was also kind of jealous, in a good way.

A high quality girl before would only be approached by guys that had the balls to go up to her, so if she wanted a good looking, tall guy like me, she had to literally go up to me and chat with me, or be responsive when I chatted her up. Otherwise, she was going to have to take dick from a less attractive man and fantasize about me while she was going at it. Now she's approached by thousands of guys online, and differentiating yourself from the chaff is a herculean task, and that's IF you're actually exceptional. If you aren't, forget about it.

Even if you get her, if you piss her off for any little thing, there's literally 1,000 guys in line waiting to bang her, with no negative social stigma from her going down that line. Before, a girl would think twice before hopping on a new dick, because she didn't want to burn her reputation, so you had leverage to get disagreements resolved your way.

Things have changed. They've changed massively.

That said, it may be possible to break through these barriers with enough brute force day game, and I intend to test this out before I expatriate, simply because the logistics of expatriating are detrimental to building wealth for me, versus staying in the U.S. We'll see, expatriating is definitely the plan at this point, but I've got one last hurrah in me before throwing in the towel on finding a date-able girl in America.

[Skank_Hunt]

Spaniard you reminded me of what that song was called now, IIRC it is "Things Done Changed". What a pity the Notorious only got to make 2 real albums, both classics but what a pity, anyway I digress...

You're right in that 2004-2006 while not as good as the 80s or 90s in my opinion was still "glory days" compared to now. It's obviously due to the internet and social media/dating app usage and all that comes with it. Obvious, but while we may know this logically, you just can't fucking replace the confidence boost you walking past as just you, you alone, and girls giggling... Or hot girls you know asking if you can hug them, and why won't you touch them (hot blonde girl in HS but I had a quality GF), or girls you haven't even banged yet giving you gifts of food or just random gifts that had real thought into them because they know it would hit your heart strings a bit, and heck I didn't mind the manipulation because it was so pleasant.

Even the internet had some "glory days" in the sense that girls who were online in those days - on various websites and odd Yahoo groups or AOL style chat rooms and of course early days of MySpace, the girls who were online were higher quality, genuine, and you could just add them to Yahoo messenger or MSN messenger. I used to play games like Blood (scary as hell and banned for a few years I think) while talking to chicks on YM/AOLM/MSNM. It was cool when they came online as they had names like "Stacy" surrounded on each side by hearts, flowers, rainbows, stars and other cute shit. There were other sites of interest that I randomly came across like language exchange sites looking for penpals. I'm part Swedish by descent but I'm only partially able to read/write/speak so I just picked a swedish girl and we wrote in snailmail and spoke on MSN and by webcam all the time. She was hot as hell in a sweet/cute way (but with massive rack) however she said in a sad tone of voice that she was lonely and no guys approached her or noticed her. I went to Sweden to visit my swedish relatives and she lived only 10 miles away. I didn't even meet her let alone bang her because I had a beautiful GF at the time and felt that even meeting someone I liked so much was "cheating". There's regret and there's "still punch myself in the face sometimes 12 years later" regret. I cannot imagine the attention such a girl would receive today. That original girl today is probably fat, been fucked by a few refugees, probably attended a rapefugees welcome rally or two, maybe even popped out a few mixed race kids, who knows. It's very sad.

At the same time, I had a french penpal, a countryside girl, mostly snailmail as she wasn't too internet savvy. Went on holiday with family, met up with her and banged in her attic bedroom of her french countryside cottage. One of my best memories of a single experience with a girl ever. We didn't just bang, we talked in french as I was learning it at school and quite good at the time, a lot thanks to her, and she explained what life was like in her village, all lights turned off at like 10pm which was crazy, we played in her massive garden spraying water on each other on hot summer days, we went for walks and she took me to a beautiful stream where we had a picnic. Just beautiful days. Fast forward 2017, I go on OKC to check out the talent in my small city, it's just fatties, drug addicts, mentally ill attention whores with no intention to meet, their only intention to attention whore because they need it like a drug constantly (borderline personality disorder girls everywhere) and to lead men on because they hate men (borderline mixed with sociopathic personality disorder girls) and many of these are on illegal and prescription drugs for depression, have multiple suicide attempts, are militant SJWs. It was like the polar opposite of my brief online experiences around 2002-2006. It is no joke an online psychiatric ward. Literally insane how so much can change in 1 1/2 decades.

Yep, the advantage of "home" for us is that the US provides at least opportunities for building wealth. I spent so many years in the "Mystery Method" game phase at night that I fucked up and consequently paid quite a high price health and wealth wise for the (mostly mediocre, but dirty I guess) bangs that I did get. So I'm not one of these forum members with a high paying side-hustle or advanced qualification. The thing I know most about is "poosy theory" and that's useless in the US. So I just have to rely on putting in extra time and trying to get in the best physical shape I can to finally leave. Because even though I'm no high flyer in the US, the money is still good for certain countries in EE, SA and SEA.

For all those saying "NOW is the best time" clearly didn't live any of those days. Currently restricted to only ~1 month long scouting trips, but if/when I am expatriated, hope to meet some of you guys to share stories not just of the past, but of the present, of the beautiful, pleasant, feminine girls we're dating, finally out of the West.

[Geomann180]

Please keep these anecdotes coming. They're beautiful.

G

[DimeBait]

(06-29-2017 06:48 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

It wasn't some kind of time-limited battle or chore as it is now, the opposite of relaxing. And the flake rate, even in SA/EE, is fucking huge compared to what it used to be.

Man, so true, unfortunately, this is what dating today has ended up. Whereas, it's not even enjoyable anymore. It's one big ass mind-game, psychological warfare (as someone previously pointed out) if you will.

[MongolianAbroad]

(06-29-2017 10:09 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

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Man, I was on Yahoo Personals when I was 22, in grad school. This blonde, green eyed 8 messages me, she was 24 but looked maybe 17. Her pictures were not good, I thought she was maybe a 6. Well, SHE messaged ME. She's like, "Hey, I know I'm older than you, but would you be open to going on a date?" I'm like, why not, she's thin, it'll be something to do on a Saturday night.

So I pick her up at her place and we go on our date. We eat Italian food in the downtown area of a midwest city. After the date, I go to drop her off at her place. She grabs my hand, gets close, then goes for the kiss. I kiss her a bit. She kind of waits there. I think, she's 24, I'm 22, I could never marry this girl, so I don't want to waste her time. So I don't go in. Now I don't regret that one in particular, she would be 36 right now, and the last girl I was with was 20 when we broke up, after dating several years, so it's all good, I'm not about wasting a girl's prime years if I have zero interest in something serious, but what I do want to point out is that the odds of an 8 messaging me nowadays out of the blue are ZERO. This girl was gorgeous, flawless skin, some of you that have a thing for natural platinum blondes would probably rate her a 9.

Also, the odds of a girl like that having pictures that make her look like a 6 are also close to zero. To reiterate, she reverse-catfished me, her pictures made her look two or three points below her real SMV. Could that happen today? Not likely.

So, I was thinking about this thread and what has changed in me between then and now. I can't control Tinder and Bumble and all that, but I can control myself, so while I'm in America, I do want to make the best of things. Here's a few things of note about the top notch girls I've dated:

1. I could never have met them at a bar, because they didn't know what alcohol tasted like.
2. I could only have met both where they worked or at their college, and I could have met one of them at an all ages music show or maybe at a coffee shop.

So, for me, I need to forget the bars and go to every all ages show I can go to and open every tattoo-less cutie I see. College is also where it's at, if you can approach the ones that had great parents right after they move out of home, there may still be hope.

I'll update you guys over the next year or two as I test this out, unless I expatriate before then.

[BadgerHut]

DimeBait,

"Bottom line, I know I need to improve my social/professional circle game and not waste another second on bullshit online game."

I've really taken your angle from up above - re-allocating time I spent on online sites and apps into real-life gaming and building a better circle I can use to bring quality into my life.

"Shit will play with your self-esteem if you let it."

Taking a cue from Jordan Peterson's "stop saying things that make you weak," guys gotta get square on the losing angles for their game - not only does it waste time but a failing strategy will truly fuck with your sense of self-worth. When you notice it doing that, stop doing it and pivot to another scheme that's better for you. There's a bunch of ways to skin a cat; guys do themselves a disservice thinking they have to succeed specifically in clubs/street pickups/beach days/etc.

[meetjoeblack]

If by best time, you mean, best time to get cucked, you would be correct.

Beta is suppose to do dinner. Alpha just smashes. SMV craters and betas are suppose to marry her and raise her bastard children. I beg to disagree. The amount of 30 + liberal fatties that are expecting Romeo is unbelievable.