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One thing I've never understood, and this goes back to Sp5's assertion that criticism of Jewish collective behavior is really "bitter envy", is why have there been so many great historical figures who've had nothing but negative things to say about Jews? Voltaire, Rousseau, Napoleon, Dostoevsky, Thomas Aquinas etc. The list goes on and on. Surely none on these great men were "haters" and many of them were quite wealthy in their time. And yet they wrote nasty things about this group.

So what gives? Is there something in collective jewish behavior that pissed them off?
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Part two. Again, I find few facts in Samseau's writings. Lotsa feelings.

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Do the Jews in America "amass wealth beyond the other races?" Sure. Isn't hard work, entrepreneurial thinking, and the free market a good thing? Your animus against the Jews just seems like the bitter envy I also heard from West Africans about the Lebanese business community, Kenyans about Indians, and Filipinos and Malays about Chinese. Same-o. No need for verbose explication of "Talmudism," just envy!
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Envy does not explain it at all. All of the groups you've mentioned are distinct from the Talmuds in that they keep to their own geographical area and are expected to be biased towards their own.

Conversely, Talmuds make a habit of spreading to other places, pretend to be impartial, and when anyone calls them out for their behavior they are met with accusations of being anti-semitic racists. This highly irritating and hypocritical behavior is why Talmuds are among the most hated groups in the world (for those who can recognize it).

Most Whites have no idea of what's going on (which is why Dylan Roof famously wrote if all Jews turned blue for a day everyone would understand them), but outside of the West many know: Muslim Arabs, Eastern Orthodox, and the Chinese are among the most Jew-wise in the world.
Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

First, can't help but notice the citation to Dylan Roof, an incel loser who walked into a Christian church and murdered the good people there studying the Bible because they were black. WTF? Is Dylan Roof a credible source of "fact" or model of opinion for you, the Christian?
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Just because Roof was a sick, sick man, does not make his observations any less accurate. The same is true of the unabomber.

Your logic is faulty. What Roof, a mentally-ill loser, said was likely not an "observation," as you term it. He spent most of his life in central South Carolina, which is not exactly Manhattan when it comes to Jews. He might not have spoken to ten Jews in his entire life. It's more likely his views were shaped by mental illness and the fringes of the internet than personal experience. We don't know.

What he offered was an opinion without revealed facts, much like your opinions. His opinion is worthless because (1) we don't know what the factual basis of the opinion was, and (2) his judgment has been proven to be abysmal.

The Unabomber was crazy, but he was an intellect, had had a winning streak in his life, and expressed some facts in his manifesto.

If Dylann Roof is all you can quote to support your ideas, you should question your ideas. Would you endorse his views on black people, too?

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Second, I give you a list of ethnic groups who travelled outside the lands of their historic origin, like Lebanese in West Africa and Chinese in the Philippines, and you attempt to distinguish them from the Jews by saying "they keep to their own geographic area." WTF, makes no sense.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Makes perfect sense - they travel as foreigners, they are recognized as such, and act as such. Conversely we have Talmudic Jews living in many nations that behave as citizens, are recognized as such, but primarily act for each other's self-interest against the rest of the nation.

Your knowledge of these diaspora merchant groups is deficient.

1. Overseas Chinese. Chinese have been in SE Asia for hundreds of years. The Spanish gave Binondo in Manila to Chinese traders in 1594. To some extent, they were ghettoized by the Spanish the way Russians and East Europeans kept the Jews in shtetls. There were Chinese rebellions, and Chinese were regularly accused of black-market trading, usury, and general dominance of commerce. The biggest current families, the Sys and the Gokongweis, have patriarchs in their 90s born in China, but the younger generations were born in the Philippines. Chinese businesspeople in the Philippines are not foreigners, but hold Philippine citizenship. Some are able to buy citizenship in Singapore, the USA, or other places, but they are not "foreigners." There is a significant anti-Chinese feeling among the Filipino indigenous, echoing typical anti-Semitic tropes.

In Malaysia, the Chinese have been there for more than 100 years. The overwhelming majority of Chinese hold Malaysian citizenship. The ruling Malay nationalist party, Barisan, which has the electoral system rigged to favor Malay districts, occasionally stirs up mobs to rampage through the Kuala Lumpur Chinatown in a kind of pogrom or Kristallnacht. The Chinese are stuck in Malaysia unless they can buy another passport, are not "foreigners."

2. The Lebanese have also been in West Africa for more than 100 years. They are born in those countries and hold citizenship in those countries, again unless they can buy another passport or qualify for Lebanese citizenship.

3. The expulsion of "Asians" (Indians) in Uganda by Idi Amin in 1972 followed all of the typical tropes of anti-Semitism in Europe. The Indians came to East and South Africa through the rope lines of British colonialism as railroad laborers and merchants. They built large business communities along the railway line, in Mombasa, Nairobi, and Kampala, and spread outward. By the time of independence in the 1960s, most Indians there had been born in Africa.

Idi Amin's accusations against the "Asians" were that they were hoarding, taking financial advantage of the Africans and controlling the economy. Sound familiar?

Those expelled had to rely on "British Overseas Territories" passports issued by the UK government to allow them to leave.

Today, the position of Indians in Africa is tenuous even if they are born in their countries and hold citizenship, due to African racial nationalism and the same themes of "controlling the economy" and "cheating Africans."

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Third, you cite to groups who have the least experience of Jews - Muslim Arabs, Chinese, Orthodox - as being the most savvy about them. In truth, these have been the most isolated from Jews and the most exposed to anti-Semitic state propaganda.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Not true for two of the groups. Both the Arabs and Orthodox have been exposed to Jews for thousands of years. Chinese recognize the game Talmuds play and actually write books all about them..

Neither one of us reads Mandarin, so we don't know what the books say, but from the article, it does not seem like these Chinese writers are attributing the bad you do to the Jews. They admire their hard work and success.

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Most of the Chinese authors who write about Jews really don’t know much about them. They use the success of Jews, especially in business and education, to promote values the Chinese traditionally cherish, such as hard work and knowledge or, in China’s burgeoning market economy, getting rich. Perhaps the Chinese are fascinated by the characteristics they see in Jews that correspond to their own concepts and outlooks.

Again, see the overseas Chinese and the attitudes to them as a mirror of the Jews.

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

In the case of Muslim Arabs, Nasserite, Baathist, and Salafist propaganda. Baghdad used to have 200,000 Jews as recently as the 1930s. A combination of anti-Semitic attacks and Israeli false-flags and incentives moved them out. Is Baghdad better now? Was it even better in the 1960s? Similar things in Cairo. Those countries are corrupt, backward and violent, wow the lack of Jews as a business and professional class is really doing it for them.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Of course not. As bad as Talmudism is, Islam is still much worse and I would take a cousin Jew over the death-cult any day of the week. Islam was not always at such strong odds with Talmudic Jews, however, there is a long and complex history between the two.
Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Chinese and Orthodox were exposed to various forms of Stalinist Communist anti-Semitic propaganda over the last 100 years. They have little or no experience of Jews in person or institutionally. And again, the overseas Chinese are very like the Jews in their cohesion and personal successes.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

While many Russian orthodox may not know much about Talmuds, the Greeks, Syrians, and many other mediterranean Orthodox know all about them.

This is just a bald, factless statement. Fail.

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Under any theory of economics, Jewish business activity (predominantly small business owners) has benefited the USA tremendously over the last 100 years, so I don't get the beef there.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Nah, whatever the USA has gained from Talmudic business has been lost in aid to Israeli (hundreds of billions), lost in bailouts to Talmudic banks (Goldman Sachs = usury scam), and lost to cultural degeneracy (promotion of porn, mass immigration, destruction of family, etc).
Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Ridiculous. Aid to Israel does total about $200 billion, big deal. I wish it were cut, but it's not much in comparison to the US economy. It is about the same as the total revenue in the same time from one prominent Jewish business, Hasbro toys. It is miniscule in comparison to the total contribution to growth of both Jewish business management and Jewish scientific and medical innovation.

Bank misconduct did cause a loss to the US economy, no doubt. The leveraging of shitty mortgage securities based on subprime loans which were improperly rated as AAA was a scam. There were many parties who took part in the scam. The main subprime lenders were Washington Mutual, Countryside, and Ameriquest. None of these were Jewish-run operations.

The shitty mortgage securities were sold and bought by a lot of institutions. Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns were wiped out by them, hardly a good strategy.

I recommend you read The Big Short or see the movie for an explanation. If you have a better explanation blaming Jews, bring the facts, not your feelings.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

No one is "blaming the Jews," and using such hysterical language just shows you're suffering from cognitive dissonance. I said Talmudic Jews have done more harm than good, and they certainly have played a big role in creating the subprime crisis . . .

Another bald statement. Fail. How did they play a big role? Names, roles, etc. Compare and contrast to those Jews who managed to lose millions.

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Blaming the Jews for immigration is also ridiculous. The two relevant pieces of legislation are the 1965 Immigration Act, which opened up immigration from the third world, and the 1986 Immigration Act, Simpson-Mazzoli, which gave amnesty.

The 1965 vote:
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The House of Representatives voted 320 to 70 in favor of the act, while the Senate passed the bill by a vote of 76 to 18. In the Senate, 52 Democrats voted yes, 14 no, and 1 abstained. Among Senate Republicans, 24 voted yes, 3 voted no, and 1 abstained. In the House, 202 Democrats voted yes, 60 voted no and 12 abstained, 117 Republicans voted yes, 10 voted no and 11 abstained. One unknown representative voted yes. In total, 74% of Democrats and 85% of Republicans voted for passage of this bill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigratio...ct_of_1965
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Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And who was one of it's biggest proponents?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_K._Javits#Legacy

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Javits played a major role in legislation protecting pensioners, as well as in the passage of the War Powers Act; he led the effort to get the Javits-Wagner-O'Day Act passed. He reached the position of Ranking Minority Member on the Committee on Foreign Relations while accruing greater seniority than any New York Senator before or since (as of 2007). He was also one of the main forces behind the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 that removed immigration quotas that favored Western European nations. Along with Dwight D. Eisenhower, he was among the first and most important statesmen in passing legislation promoting the cause of education for gifted individuals, and many know his name from the federal Jacob Javits Grants established for this purpose.

So what? Javits was one of many. Ted Kennedy was another leader in the 1965 Immigration Act, are you ascribing Kennedy's actions to all Irish-Americans? Mazzoli's action in amnesty to Italian-Americans? Alan Simpson's role to WASPs in the Western states? Ridiculous, again. Cherry-picking.

(11-24-2016, 09:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  The 1986 vote:
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Agreed to by the House on October 15, 1986 (238–173) and by the Senate on October 17, 1986 (63–24)
Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigratio...ct_of_1986

How can you blame the Jews for these votes when Jews have never reached 10% of the US Congress? Ridiculous.

Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Again, you completely fail to understand how Jews operate and how Talmudic Jews in particular will push for specific agendas.

Jews have some of the highest naturally occurring verbal IQ in the world. I believe this occurred because of their location in the Middle East, which meant that being able to translate many languages helped the smartest grow very rich.

The high verbal IQ is also why Christianity, Talmudism, and (strongly rumored by many historians) Islam were all written down in books by Jews. Jews do not control people by force, but instead through intellect and cunning.

So many of the terrible politics we see today are a result of Talmudic influence, but that does not mean we need to "blame the Jews." Attributing influence is much more subtle than that.

Ya, you "believe." Feelings, again. It's so subtle only you and the usual crowd can see it. That paragraph is fact-free except for the fact that Jews test well and are often smart. Protocols of the Elders of Zion all over again, there's a conspiracy!!

Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Porn and degeneracy? Let's apply the standard you apply to the Jews to other ethnic groups. For example, how do you weigh the contributions of Italian Americans like Fermi and Scalia against the effect of La Cosa Nostra? How do you weigh the contributions of Irish-Americans vs. histories of Irish machine politics and corruption?

Porn has been around since ancient times, like all vices it is demand-driven, not supply driven. The demand is always there, you bring no facts showing that the torrent of porn available now is predominantly produced by Jews. Seems like there are tens of thousands of porn producers now.
Quote: (11-24-2016 09:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

No one is saying that Jews have a corner on vice, but I am saying Talmudic Jews are more likely to engage in selling vice because they feel less attachment to the outgroup than most other cultures do..

Another ridiculous bald assertion based on your feelings, not facts. Sp5's brushes with selling "vice" were as a projectionist in an old-school porn theater showing 16mm films of the type portrayed in the comedy Boogie Nights. My boss was a guy named "Carmine," who had a distinct Goodfellas aura. He was involved with a chain of porn outlets. The other one was tending bar in an Irish-owned place.

"Vice" is gambling, prostitution, porn, drugs, and booze. Are you seriously saying that Jews are more prone than say, Italians, Chinese, Irish, black people, Russians, Vietnamese, or Puerto Ricans to be involved in those trades?
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Quote: (11-27-2016 04:13 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

One thing I've never understood, and this goes back to Sp5's assertion that criticism of Jewish collective behavior is really "bitter envy", is why have there been so many great historical figures who've had nothing but negative things to say about Jews? Voltaire, Rousseau, Napoleon, Dostoevsky, Thomas Aquinas etc. The list goes on and on. Surely none on these great men were "haters" and many of them were quite wealthy in their time. And yet they wrote nasty things about this group.

So what gives? Is there something in collective jewish behavior that pissed them off?

1. Thomas Aquinas was an old-school "The Jews killed Christ" hater from 750 years ago.

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the Jews by reason of their fault are sentenced to perpetual servitude and thus the lords of the lands in which they dwell may take things from them as though they were their own

http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/p...68-aquinas

2. Voltaire and Rousseau were among the first Enlightenment figures, they attacked the Jews for their religious belief, Jews being superstitious according to them. They also attacked Christianity. Their writings are a foundation for French state secularism and anti-clericalism.

3. Napoleon had a mixed attitude towards the Jews. At the beginning, he removed constraints and granted rights to Jews in the French Empire. At the end, when exiled on St. Helena, he wrote bitterly about the Jews, maybe because of the Rothschild support for the British side in 1812-14.

4. Dostoyevsky hated the Jews and Roman Catholics, just came out of Russian attitudes, who knows?

You can add H.L. Mencken, Ezra Pound, T.S. Eliot as being against the Jews. The latter two were fascist sympathizers, Pound was prosecuted for treason for making propaganda broadcasts for Mussolini during WWII.

In each case, you have to look at the validity of the facts asserted, whether they are true today, not the status of the person making them.

I was just reading about the German physicist Thomas Heisenberg, and the German bomb project in WWII. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/12/...sent-bomb/

Heisenberg, is a bit more famous now because of Breaking Bad and The Man in the High Castle. The truth is he was attacked by Germans in academia and hounded by the Gestapo during the Hitler years for "teaching Jewish physics," i.e. Einstein's theories. These attacks actually retarded the German bomb program.

There is no sense to a lot of this Jew-hating.
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(((SP5))): "no sense to a lot of this Jew-hating" "I just don't get the jew hate on this forum"

Dude, they've been expelled out of 200 countries throughout history. The reasons why they are disliked and have been throughout history are easy to find and research. If you still don't 'get it' after Samseau's explanation, you will never get it.

So is this the future of the forum? arguing over whether white nationalism is ok or not and why no one likes the jews?

"Especially Roosh offers really good perspectives. But like MW said, at the end of the day, is he one of us?"

- Reciproke, posted on the Roosh V Forum.
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Quote: (11-28-2016 01:10 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

There is no sense to a lot of this Jew-hating.

Thomas Aquinas a "hater"? [Image: lol.gif]

Ok, but again these weren't some rednecks from Alabama , these were all accomplished and oftentimes wealthy men who for one reason or another thought there was something pernicious about Jewish power and influence. They were a lot more wise than you and I. Just food for thought, man.

Stop drinking that ADL kool-aid.
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Quote: (11-28-2016 08:06 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Quote: (11-28-2016 01:10 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

There is no sense to a lot of this Jew-hating.

Thomas Aquinas a "hater"? [Image: lol.gif]

Ok, but again these weren't some rednecks from Alabama , these were all accomplished and oftentimes wealthy men who for one reason or another thought there was something pernicious about Jewish power and influence. They were a lot more wise than you and I. Just food for thought, man.

Stop drinking that ADL kool-aid.

Speak for yourself when you say they were more wise than "you or I."

Aquinas lived in the 13th Century. Not much relevant about anyone's thoughts about other groups from those days. Aquinas believed in witchcraft, etc. Why is he an authority now?

Come up with some facts. I don't see the facts on the anti-Jew side.

I am persuaded by facts, not your feelings.
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^ We'll just have to "agree to disagree" (as much as I hate that term haha). The facts you demand have been re-hashed many times by many different authors (not just Macdonald). Whether it's Jewish zealous overinvolvement in Bolshevism that directly lead to the deaths of millions of Christian Slavs or their financial machinations on Wall St., the facts are there.

What is called "anti-semitism" is really a normal societal response to abnormal collective Jewish behavior. But I'm not so dumb that I can't separate their collectivism from individuals. There are definitely good Jews out there.

I don't think it's accidental that the middle class in America has shrunk and suffered over the last 40 years or so, as this is the time that Jews have gained much power and influence. As Joseph Sobran put it "History is replete with the lesson that a country in which the Jews get the upper hand is in danger"
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I don't know. If a guy like Jonas Salk, who invented the Polio vaccine that has helped hundreds of millions, is a bad guy b/c he was Jew, what does that make us?

None of these assertions are new and go back perhaps to 63 B.C. when the Romans conquered Jerusalem, and moreover when the Jews were expelled by Romans from Palestine and sent into exile in Spain, N. Africa, E. & W. Europe.

Then, in the early fourth century, Constantine the Great made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire. The rest, as they say, is history...

Anyway you slice it, the persecution of jews is and has been, on some level, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
For example, they're expelled from Palestine, and then blamed for "banding" together in exile (much like the Cubans in present day Miami, eh?, or Irish in Boston...).
They are restricted professionally, then blamed for taking on certain professions they'd been forced into.

Then, we have an array of conflicting assertions.. they are rapacious free market capitalists AND boleshvik collectivists.
Responsible for immigration AND racist.

The game is rigged by them, yet the Jewish candidate (Sanders) can't even eek out a win in primary. He's also one of the "poorer" senators for that matter, vs. say, one of the wealthiest, of Syrian descent, Darryl Issa (who made his wealth through his car alarm business).

Hey, it's a free country, if someone doesn't want to like jews, or anyone else, knock yourself out. But what's the point of the convoluted explication, that ends up not making any sense.

One example of the restrictions throughout history that end up propelling stereotypes that we see today:

Between 1431-43, the Council of Basel decreed that Jews in cities must live in ghettos, physically separate from Christians. The Jews could not leave the ghettos except to pursue business interests with Christians.

In most of Europe, Jews were denied the right to own land, and, consequently, Jews did not have the opportunity to become farmers. Similarly, commerce guilds were closed to Jews and the difficulties of pursuing a profession were compounded. Jews were left with few ways to make a living.

Jews became peddlers, buying and selling ordinary goods far and wide. They became craftsmen (cobblers, tin smithies, scribes) and developed a reputation for their "golden hands" which produced expert work.

Jews were engaged in money-lending. The Christian religions forbade their brethren from partaking of usury, or money-lending at interest. Jews also emerged as managers of the large estates owned by non-Jewish nobles. They became tax collectors for the nobles. Inevitably, Jews were viewed as oppressors by the peasant class with whom the Jews, representing the noble man, came into contact. These hard feelings ripened over centuries. It did not matter that the overwhelming majority of Jews were as bitterly impoverished as their Gentile neighbors.
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To add to The CEO and reply to TigerMandingo,

Aquinas is a good example of an old-school religious anti-Semite who collectively blamed the Jews for Christ being killed. The Jews killed Christ is is the origin of the tradition. This was not repudiated in the Catholic Church until Pope Paul the VI in 1965. I don't know about the other Christian churches, what they say.

The Jews are non-Christian outsiders in times of religious fanaticism. As Aquinas told his overlords, it's ok to mess with them, take their property. It's OK to torture and kill them in the Spanish Inquisition (the Jews did relatively well in Muslim Spain).

The feelings persist in families, are passed down, and result in confirmation bias in which any fact is "proof." Example: Jacob Javits supported the 1965 Immigration bill: that proves the Jews have a plan to allow uncontrolled immigration.

The Jews being outsiders, it has been easy to blame them for anything. Ya, they are rich financiers AND communists who want to hang rich financiers.

Two examples: Jews were blamed by nationalist elites in France for the disaster of the Franco-Prussian war which the French nationalists started, and they were blamed by German nationalists for the German defeat in WWI, which was a boneheaded move by Kaiser Wilhelm II. Nobody can look in the mirror and blame themselves.

It mostly boils down to the world being a complicated place, and people looking for simple answers and someone else to blame. Hence, blame the Jews, Illuminati, Chinese, Indians, etc.
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Quote: (11-29-2016 01:04 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Jews were engaged in money-lending. The Christian religions forbade their brethren from partaking of usury, or money-lending at interest. Jews also emerged as managers of the large estates owned by non-Jewish nobles. They became tax collectors for the nobles. Inevitably, Jews were viewed as oppressors by the peasant class with whom the Jews, representing the noble man, came into contact. These hard feelings ripened over centuries. It did not matter that the overwhelming majority of Jews were as bitterly impoverished as their Gentile neighbors.

The bolded part is a common myth perpetuated by Jewish apologists.

I like to consult Jewish sources so that the label of "anti-semitism" can't be thrown around. Here is what Israel Shahak, in his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, had to say on the condition of Jews in Rome for instance:

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There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Rome for the past 2,000 years—praying in Synagogues were always allowed—yet Protestantism were banned in the city. [1]

Compare this to the treatment other religious groups and minorities faced – they were not even allowed in Europe. So the Jews were actually a privileged minority. This is even more obvious when you look at what happened in the colonies: the natives were converted to Christianity by force, and even after the christening they were still being treated like sub-human

More:

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In the early twentieth century, the stock exchange in Vienna and Budapest consisted mostly of Jews, 70 and 88 percent respectively. Jewish preponderance in finance carried over to industry as well, since banks during this period financed and controlled investments in heavy industries in several European countries. Not surprisingly, these developments translated into a strong Jewish presence among Europe’s wealthy elite. The Jews had also established a visible presence in the newly emerging professional classes, including lawyers, accountants, doctors, academics, scientists, and artists. In Vienna, for instance, around 1900, “62 percent of the lawyers, half the doctors and dentists, 45 percent of the medical faculty, and one-fourth of the total faculty were Jews, as were between 51.5 and 63.2 percent of professional journalists.

Look, no one is hating. They obviously did well for themselves, but don't pull my leg by telling me they were "as impoverished as other groups". Come on, man.
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Interested in chatting about opportunities in preparing for infrastructure development especially in "working class" communities.

How does one go about learning about energy, manufacturing, coal and mining, and rural development?
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Look, no one is hating. They obviously did well for themselves, but don't pull my leg by telling me they were "as impoverished as other groups". Come on, man.


In many cases, they were indeed poor, just like their non Jewish counterparts.


Like those from Eastern Europe, for example. There is no wonder why many Jews from that part of Europe moved to America and Israel (almost all of early Zionists were EE jews, such as Ben Gurion, Peres, Sharon...). Or became Communists.
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Sp5, while you are a great member of the forum, at this point you are suffering heavily from cognitive dissonance. I notice a lot of people do when it comes to the Talmuds.

Before I get started with the point by point rebuttal, we can see the hamsterization (the process of maintaining an illusion to avoid cognitive dissonance) very clearly when Sp5 says below, "Jews only make up 15% of the Doctor population". [Image: icon_lol.gif]

Bro, Jews are around 2% of the population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

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In 2012, the American Jewish population was estimated at between 5.5 and 8 million, depending on the definition of the term. This constitutes between 1.7% and 2.6% of the total U.S. population.

[Image: lol.gif] You have such bad cognitive dissonance that when you see a a disproportionate representation of 7 fold you write it off as no big deal. Come on man, snap out of it!

The same Talmudic racism is present at most of the top universities:

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In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher.51 The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

This overrepresentation of Jews is really quite extraordinary, since the group currently constitutes just 2.1 percent of the general population and about 1.8 percent of college-age Americans.52 Thus, although Asian-American high school graduates each year outnumber their Jewish classmates nearly three-to-one, American Jews are far more numerous at Harvard and throughout the Ivy League. Both groups are highly urbanized, generally affluent, and geographically concentrated within a few states, so the “diversity” factors considered above would hardly seem to apply; yet Jews seem to fare much better at the admissions office.

25% of Harvard is Jewish, which is a 13.5 disproportional increase. Imagine if Whites had the same domination over the schools as the Talmuds did? You wouldn't hear the end of the kvetching. If Whites had a 13.5 disproportional representation at universities, every university in America would be White as snow.

Affirmative action laws are created to end "systemic racism," and yet all we see right now are Talmudic Jews raping the system for their own ends. At this point the brainwashed usually counter, "But Jews aren't a race!" except that Jews are considered a race under all hate-crime laws. And Jewishness can be identified easily with DNA testing.

More Talmudic racism dominating schools:

https://archive.is/fT0rh

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Brandeis University: 1,750 Jewish students, 48%
Barnard College: 1,000 Jewish students, 40%
University of Hartford: 1,500 Jewish students, 32%
Muhlenberg College: 750 Jewish students, 31%
Goucher College: 450 Jewish students, 31%
George Washington University: 3,000 Jewish students, 29%
Oberlin College: 850 Jewish students, 29%
CUNY, Brooklyn College: 4,000 Jewish students, 29%
Yale University: 1,500 Jewish students, 28%
New York University: 6,000 Jewish students, 27%
Columbia University: 2,400 Jewish students, 27%
Tulane University: 2,250 Jewish students, 27%
Emory University: 2,100 Jewish students, 27%
Sarah Lawrence College: 350 Jewish students, 27%
Binghamton University: 3,500 Jewish students, 27%
University at Albany: 3,500 Jewish students, 27%
University of Pennsylvania: 2,500 Jewish students, 26%
Queens College: 4,000 Jewish students, 26%
Harvard University: 1,675 Jewish students, 25%
Haverford College: 300 Jewish students, 25%
Tufts University: 1,250 Jewish students, 24%
Long Island University, Brooklyn Campus: 1,200 Jewish students, 24%
Hampshire College: 325 Jewish students, 24%
American University: 1,600 Jewish students, 23%
Wesleyan University: 680 Jewish students, 23%
University of Maryland: 5,800 Jewish students, 22%
Boston University: 3,500 Jewish students, 21%
Cornell University: 3,000 Jewish students, 21%
Vassar College: 500 Jewish students, 21%
Washington University: 1,500 Jewish students, 20%
Hofstra University: 1,350 Jewish students, 20%
Skidmore College: 500 Jewish students, 19%
Rutgers University: 6,400 Jewish students, 19%
University of Miami: 2,000 Jewish students, 18%
University of Vermont: 2,000 Jewish students, 18%
Syracuse University: 2,500 Jewish students, 17%
Lehigh University: 800 Jewish students, 17%
Clark University: 400 Jewish students, 17%
Kenyon College: 275 Jewish students, 17%
Bryn Mawr College: 200 Jewish students, 17%
Union College: 350 Jewish students, 16%
University of Michigan: 4,500 Jewish students, 16%
SUNY College at Oswego: 1,050 Jewish students, 16%
Northwestern University: 1,400 Jewish students, 15%
Vanderbilt University: 1,050 Jewish students, 15%
Brown University: 1,000 Jewish students, 15%
University of Rochester: 900 Jewish students, 15%
Franklin & Marshall College: 370 Jewish students, 15%
Middlebury College: 350 Jewish students, 15%
University of Florida: 5,000 Jewish students, 15%
University of Chicago: 800 Jewish students, 14%
McMaster University: 3,500 Jewish students, 14%
University of California, Santa Barbara: 2,750 Jewish students, 14%
Queensborough Community College: 2,000 Jewish students, 14%
Trinity College: 300 Jewish students, 13%
Amherst College: 225 Jewish students, 13%
University of Wisconsin: 4,200 Jewish students, 13%

So it's pretty obvious you're suffering from cognitive dissonance, but I don't blame you at all - the brainwashing has started before we were born.

Now let's do some point by point replies:

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Quote: (11-25-2016 01:38 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Example of a fact: Jews are disproportionately represented amongst science Nobel Prize winners, by the numbers.

Example of a feeling: "They (Jews) are racist." That is a mirror image of the worst sort of SJW-foolery.
Quote: (11-25-2016 05:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Not even close to what I've written.

"They are racists" is a direct quote of you. Right out of SJW playbook.

The easiest way to see the Talmudic racism has poisoned Nobel Prize awards is by noticing the extreme decline in the quality of its recipients over the years. Obama was given the "Peace Prize" as soon as he walked into office, and yet more wars ended up happening with him than with Bush.

Thus while I do not have the time to look through every award of late, I am very confident many of the awards handed out from Talmud to Talmud was just the usual racism.

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Quote: (11-24-2016 04:29 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

So if I understand you correctly, "Talmudic Jews" are Jews who have not "accepted Christ." In other words, what most people call "Jews," apart from the small number of Jewish Christian converts, e.g. "Jews for Jesus."
Quote: (11-25-2016 05:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Small number? Try a HUGE number, one that no one even has an accurate count of. I estimate Jewish converts were at least 50% of the surviving Jews of the Roman empire (given at how fast it spread), and this could be easily confirmed with DNA tests of many clergy of Eastern Churches as well as within the population of the Middle Eastern area. Similar to how we can still see neanderthal DNA, although a tremendous amount of eastern Christians have Jewish DNA in them.

Unfortunately is no real research on this, but I am 100% confident if the DNA tests were performed on wide enough level everything I say would be confirmed true. I would bet every dollar I own.

Unfortunately, there are far less Christians with Jewish DNA left today after ISIS have genocided god knows how many hundreds of thousands in Syria.

First, the descendants of Jews who converted in the 1st Century have such an attenuated connection to both the original Jewish DNA and the Jewish tradition that they could never be considered Jews, "non-Talmudic," or not. You and I might both be such descendants, as could almost anyone with European origins. Would we be Jews?

It doesn't matter if we qualify as "Jews" or not (racial purity is nonsense), what does matter is showing that a very large number of Jews, historically, converted to Christianity which can be detected through DNA tests.

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Second, you "estimate" Jewish conversation to Christianity as 50%. Based on what? Estimating a shift in a population 2000 years ago takes research; even then it is questionable because of the lack of data. I have no opinion on the subject. I prefer to say that these groups (Levantine Arabs, Jews, Assyrians, Chaldeans) are related by DNA and the Semitic language group. I found one study which says the rate of Jewish conversion to Christianity was very low (pdf). http://www.hts.org.za/index.html/HTS/arti...le/430/329

This guy makes no sense, he even talks about how the entire community at Antioch of gentiles and Jews converted to Christ, and yet he concludes the worldwide numbers of Jewish converts never exceeded 1000? Antioch was one of the biggest cities in Turkey back then, this was a very confused and poorly written article.

There's a reason why he says at the start most people do not agree with him. He also completely fails to account for the major loss of Jewish life after the Roman-Jewish wars.

I stand by my own hypothesis, based on my family within the Syrian Orthodox Church. I see a lot of Christians running around in my Church with typically Jewish features (2000 years after the fact!!), I have my own DNA test, and I know the history of the Church spread through it's original Jewish converts at a pretty good speed.

Still I admit I could be wrong, but I think the best estimate overall was a roughly 50/50 split in the surviving Jews and I would be willing to bet a large amount of cash on this. Look at how most populations divide themselves politically, the 50/50 split is a safe assumption.

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The Assyrians and Chaldeans were distinct peoples from the Jews in ancient times, long before Christ.
You present no evidence that the people now calling themselves Assyrians and Chaldeans in Syria and Iraq, who are the Christians there, are descendants of Jewish converts. The area in which they live now was at the center of the pre-Christian Assyrian Empire.

You have a feeling that 50% of Jews converted about 2000 years ago, nothing more.

So, you stick to your construct of a huge "Jewish" population which includes anyone with Jewish DNA from the 1st Century, with a much smaller subset of "Talmudic Jews" who are not Christian converts. I will stick to describing the people who are descended from the historical Jews and identify themselves as Jews as "the Jews" and not "Talmuds." That's what most people think of as "the Jews."

No feels, again, facts, based on observable human nature (50/50 political split), the massive genocide of Talmudic Jews by the Romans, and the fact that Antioch was one of Turkey's largest cities at the time which was full of Jews converted to Christianity, not to mention the many thousands in Damascus (which Paul was traveling to see when he saw Christ).

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1. If that's all ya got as evidence of Jewish racism, ya ain't got much. An ancient text which also says adulterers should be stoned. OK. What is the reality now and for the last 200 years or so?

So I present to you the basis of the entire Talmudic religion, and you reject it saying it doesn't matter because... of your feelings? Talk about cognitive dissonance!

You remind me of the guys who say "Not all Muslims are like that, it doesn't matter what their Koran book says about killing infidels," etc.

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Where are all the Judaic banks lending to Jews without interest? When was the last time that happened?

Never through banks, it's done in private. Don't be naive. And let me pre-empt your next response: it's not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact, written down in their holiest of books well over 2000 years ago.

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I see Islamic banks who lend in a kind of equity partnership structure which somehow is not "interest" based on the same Bible passages. I do not see Jews in today's world lending to each other without interest. Buying equity in a project is not lending without interest. Change your name to Saul Goodman and try asking a Jewish banker for an interest-free loan because tribe, see how that goes.

Strawman. Being Jewish involves a lot more than changing your name. But if you come from the right Jewish family, who has attended the Synagogue faithfully your entire life, then doors will be opened you didn't know existed. I've personally spoken with well-connected Jews who have benefited from such arrangements.

But these biases go far beyond banking, and pervade themselves in all areas of life Talmudic Jews concern themselves with.

However, it is true that the Talmudic Jews today adhere far less to their texts than they have in the past, just like Christians, which ironically in many ways makes them worse. The left-wing Jews are probably the biggest haters of America on the planet, and yet follow virtually none of the Talmudic teachings despite being biased for one another. With left-wing Talmuds you get all the racism with none of the upside of being nice to gentiles.

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You acknowledge that Jews are marrying outside their tribe in large numbers. OK.

Can you distinguish between campaigning against racism in the public sphere vs. maintaining a degree of racism in the private sphere? It's not hypocrisy.

Against racism in the public sphere: Black people should have full rights to vote, hold office, work, go to school, and use public accommodations equally.

See above. Talmuds dominate tons of institutions.

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Racism in the private sphere: I don't want my daughter or son to marry a black person. I prefer to lend money only to people closest to me, who share my traditions, congregation, and networks. I trust them more.

And Talmuds do this too.

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Are these hypocritical? No. Whether they are racists in the private sphere more than other white people (highly questionable, I see many Jews in racially mixed marriages), Jews did not just "pretend" to campaign against racism in the public sphere. Jews did contribute and campaign in the 1960s Civil Rights movement disproportionately. This was to achieve public rights for black people.

No, it was to weld dominance over Whites, and then not apply the same diversity laws to themselves.

But yes, Jews are mixing more and more because serious inbreeding has made them sexually repellent to one another.

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Quote: (11-25-2016 01:38 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The USA is founded upon a particularly universalist ideal, which is compounded by a free market economy and a secular legal culture. So ethnic particularism is always struggling against a powerful tide in the USA. For the Jews, this means they are as endangered as a distinct people in the USA as anyone else.
Quote: (11-25-2016 05:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

But Talmuds are far more resistant because the incentive to stay within the family comes with huge $$$$ bonuses. All of the centuries of lending to non-Talmuds at interest paid off handsomely. And being part of the family means you get access to that cash with fewer strings attached.

Ridiculous. Where was the huge store of cash which American Jews accessed when they arrived in the USA? They mostly arrived without two nickels from Russia and EE. Their main asset was hard work and smarts. The assets of the Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe, such as they had assets, were almost all wiped out in WWII, along with a lot of the Jews.

Again, you fail to distinguish between Talmudic Jews before and after WWII. That event was such a shock to their system it fundamentally changed their culture, in some ways for the worse, and some ways for the better.

While it is true they lost a lot of money to the Nazis, it is not true that they did not have money before this. Moreover, the Talmuds outside of Europe retained their riches.

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Take the Kushners as an example. Jared's grandfather Joseph Kushner arrived from Poland after WWII, the assets of the family and much of the family itself had been wiped out. Joseph worked as a construction worker, saved, and used the path of leveraged real estate purchases to build equity.

Whose first buy he most likely got through some Talmudic connections.

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That is a well-known path to riches. It takes work, saving, balls and the luck of growing RE prices, that's all.

The luck of the Talmudic Jew! I'm not hating, but let's not be naive here. We see how the religion is constructed, there is every reason to believe he integrated with some Jews in America who were already situated to get started in the real estate world.

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Mortimer Zuckerman's parents ran a grocery store. You might not be old enough to remember the large number of single grocery stores, hardware stores, clothing stores, cobblers which were staffed by their Jewish owners. This was classic American Dream stuff. They are still there, but less common as the children and grandchildren have moved on to bigger or more professional things. The founders arrived 100 or 50 years ago with nothing.

No one is saying these people are without merits. They still work hard, but they keep it in the family to amplify their success over everyone else. When Blacks see Whites do it, they call it racism, yet when Whites call it out they get labeled anti-Semites. Curious.

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Quote: (11-25-2016 01:38 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

And, of course, Jews have to hire non-Jews, not enough Jews to run their businesses exclusively. Maybe you didn't get hired, but I did, a couple of times.
Quote: (11-25-2016 05:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Sure, goyim at the bottom, Talmuds at the top.

First you say Jews don't hire goys, now you say they hire goys to subjugate them. Looks like butthurt. In a free market economy, the person doing the hiring is known as "the boss." That's the way it is. I wasn't only hired by Jews, I hired a Jew. To him, I was the boss. If you build a business, you can hire, too.

Cool story, bro. What's this got to do with anything again?

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Going through the influence of the intellectual history of Talmudic Jews is well explained by Keven MacDonald's Culture of Critique but also by Allan Bloom's Closing of the American Mind.

First, you asserted that "Talmuds" had taken over industries "by racism." You have presented no facts to support that argument.

Wrong, the extreme disproportionality at which Jews occupy many institutions and professions would qualify under disparate impact.

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I can quote Roosh here:
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The proper response to when they call you a racist is “So what?”
but I also don't see the racism or the takeovers.

I'm not the one freaking out over the racism of the Talmuds, you're the one trying to psychoanalyze me as an anti-semite (even though I am a semite). I'm just telling you like it is, and moreover, that this racist group of people are an extreme threat to America via the Democratic party, just like the welfare classes could be (which I wrote about in great detail in the OP).

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Real estate is close to a pure market. Supply/demand, location, location, location, market timing are all important. So what if Jews dominate the NYC and LA RE market? That's still a small fraction of total US RE holdings, which are held overwhelmingly by single building owners.

Did you seriously ask me "So what if Talmuds dominate the most expensive markets in the USA?" To ask the question is to answer it here.

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You sound like an intersectional SJW activist complaining about "White Privilege," except you say "Talmudic Privilege." Nobody is stopping you from getting a job, saving a down payment, and buying property to rent or flip, then repeating that x X. Joseph Kushner did.

No, unfortunately, life involves 10x as much luck than that. Right now Talmudic Jews, through the Democratic party, have destroyed the American economy, which is why 75% of the population makes less than the mean wage. Talmudic Jews have played a massive role in killing the American dream. I'm sure both of us could have been far richer had we been born into American life when things weren't so broken, but alas all we can do is try and get rid of the problems obstructing us now.

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Also, your assertion of medicine being dominated by Jews is flat wrong. There are more Catholic doctors than Jewish ones. This 2005 study, a bit outdated but not likely to be much different now, says only 14% of US physicians are Jewish: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...able/tbl1/

See the start of the post. This is hilarious hamsterization here. A 7 fold increase is pure domination. And let's not forget who controls the schools, wouldn't be surprised at all to see a buncha Talmuds.

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You cite Kevin MacDonald, and you do the same thing as Kevin MacDonald: you cite the very Jewy Jew Allan Bloom in support of your argument, as he did, along with other Jews.

MacDonald's book is one long defective argument based on cherry-picking (Marcuse was a Jew, Friedan was a Jew, that proves it!).

More cognitive dissonance. If we quote Jewish authors like Allan Bloom, Marcuse, or Friedan, then we are cherry picking, but if we quote non-Jewish authors like Voltaire, Rousseau, Napoleon, Dostoevsky, and Thomas Aquinas, then we just quoting anti-Semites and the word cannot be trusted. [Image: icon_lol.gif]

No matter whom is quoted, no matter how much evidence is presented, a person under cognitive dissonance will not shatter their illusions.

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If Jew Allan Bloom, supported by Jew Saul Bellow, Jew Michael Medved (also cited by MacDonald), Jew David Horowitz, and other Jews were in the revolt against Marcusean theory in academia, and other Jews like Norman Mailer and Harold Bloom led related pushbacks against feminism and anti-intellectualism, how valid can you or MacDonald be? MacDonald is full of shit, but the gullible and ignorant are susceptible to his cherry-picking, because they don't know the full story of Western intellectual thought in the last 75 years.

Again, I bring the facts, you bring the feelings.

"Facts"

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No matter who anyone quotes it's not enough for you bro.

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Quote: (11-25-2016 05:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Please explain to me how Democratic policies have been good for America? Multi-culturalism, reliance on sweatshop labor for cheap goods, high taxes, heavy regulations which lead to anemic business growth, a foreign policy that is incoherent at every level... the political influence alone is toxic enough.

Anyone who has bought into either party in the USA is a fool. True, the Democratic Party is a collection of poverty pimps, race hustlers, city machine politicians, greedy government workers, and rabid feminists. They also stand for some good things, like workers' right to organize and bargain collectively, and not shitting on the Commons. There are a few ones who are OK, like Tulsi Gabbard, Jim Webb, and Bernie to some extent.

Even the ones you say are "OK" have voted yes for every toxic Democrat law for as long as they've been in office. The only thing different about the last three is their rhetoric, and even then, Bernie is a Talmud full of anti-White hypocrisy. Why doesn't Bernie ever talk about Talmudic privilege? [Image: rolleyes.gif]

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Similarly, the Republican Party is a collection of crony corporatists, looters, polluters, Bible-beaters, police-statists, and warmongers. They also stand for some good things, like cultural conservatism and devolution to local governments. There are a few ones who are OK, like Mike Lee, Walter Jones, and Justin Amash.

Trump will succeed only insofar as he rebels against the Establishment.

He's demolishing it as we speak. I gave up on American politics until Trump came along.
That said, while I do not "buy" into either party there is really no denying that the Democratic party is totally toxic, while the Republican party could still be salvaged. Currently there is no option for the Democratic party except to kill it entirely.

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Ironically, the most obvious example of Jewish ethnocentrism in American politics was from within the Republican Party: the war on Iraq. This was promoted by the hard-core Israel Firsters in the neoconservative movement within and without the Bush Administration, along with oil and defense contracting interests (e.g. Halliburton). The war achieved Israel's aims of shattering the Iraqi military threat, but was a disaster for the USA.

The same Republican crew (Kristol, Bolton, Ledeen, Gaffney) still wants to bomb Iran. This will remove a regional threat to Israel, but be a disaster for the USA.

Your adherence to the Republican Party is naïve.

Thanks for showing that Talmudic Jews are a toxic political influence, even when they switch parties.

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Your logic is faulty. What Roof, a mentally-ill loser, said was likely not an "observation," as you term it. He spent most of his life in central South Carolina, which is not exactly Manhattan when it comes to Jews. He might not have spoken to ten Jews in his entire life. It's more likely his views were shaped by mental illness and the fringes of the internet than personal experience. We don't know.

It doesn't matter what his views were shaped by. The Truth is the Truth and it doesn't matter if a homeless person on the street tells the Truth while the President speaks lies. The person telling the Truth is still telling the Truth.

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What he offered was an opinion without revealed facts, much like your opinions. His opinion is worthless because (1) we don't know what the factual basis of the opinion was, and (2) his judgment has been proven to be abysmal.

The Unabomber was crazy, but he was an intellect, had had a winning streak in his life, and expressed some facts in his manifesto.

If Dylann Roof is all you can quote to support your ideas, you should question your ideas. Would you endorse his views on black people, too?

The point of quoting Roof was to show if a mentally ill crazy murderer can see the Truth, so can anyone else too.

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Your knowledge of these diaspora merchant groups is deficient.

1. Overseas Chinese. Chinese have been in SE Asia for hundreds of years. The Spanish gave Binondo in Manila to Chinese traders in 1594. To some extent, they were ghettoized by the Spanish the way Russians and East Europeans kept the Jews in shtetls. There were Chinese rebellions, and Chinese were regularly accused of black-market trading, usury, and general dominance of commerce. The biggest current families, the Sys and the Gokongweis, have patriarchs in their 90s born in China, but the younger generations were born in the Philippines. Chinese businesspeople in the Philippines are not foreigners, but hold Philippine citizenship. Some are able to buy citizenship in Singapore, the USA, or other places, but they are not "foreigners." There is a significant anti-Chinese feeling among the Filipino indigenous, echoing typical anti-Semitic tropes.

In Malaysia, the Chinese have been there for more than 100 years. The overwhelming majority of Chinese hold Malaysian citizenship. The ruling Malay nationalist party, Barisan, which has the electoral system rigged to favor Malay districts, occasionally stirs up mobs to rampage through the Kuala Lumpur Chinatown in a kind of pogrom or Kristallnacht. The Chinese are stuck in Malaysia unless they can buy another passport, are not "foreigners."

2. The Lebanese have also been in West Africa for more than 100 years. They are born in those countries and hold citizenship in those countries, again unless they can buy another passport or qualify for Lebanese citizenship.

3. The expulsion of "Asians" (Indians) in Uganda by Idi Amin in 1972 followed all of the typical tropes of anti-Semitism in Europe. The Indians came to East and South Africa through the rope lines of British colonialism as railroad laborers and merchants. They built large business communities along the railway line, in Mombasa, Nairobi, and Kampala, and spread outward. By the time of independence in the 1960s, most Indians there had been born in Africa.

Idi Amin's accusations against the "Asians" were that they were hoarding, taking financial advantage of the Africans and controlling the economy. Sound familiar?

Those expelled had to rely on "British Overseas Territories" passports issued by the UK government to allow them to leave.

Today, the position of Indians in Africa is tenuous even if they are born in their countries and hold citizenship, due to African racial nationalism and the same themes of "controlling the economy" and "cheating Africans."

The idea that Talmudic Jews are comparable to these other ethnic groups acting in their self-interest is false because many of these other ethnic groups have lived in other societies with zero problems.

Chinese, Lebanese, and Indians, have all lived peacefully with most other cultures with relatively few problems.

Conversely, Talmudic Jews have a horrible track record and have been thrown out of almost every country on the planet.

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The above picture was taken off a Jewish website as "proof" of how horribly they've been treated over the centuries.

But do tell me why, how come no other group has been persecuted to the same extent as Mr. Talmud? It couldn't have anything to do with their 613 Mitzvot telling them to treat Jews above Gentiles, could it...? Naw, that's just anti-semitism!

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Another bald statement. Fail. How did they play a big role? Names, roles, etc. Compare and contrast to those Jews who managed to lose millions.

The Subprime Crisis was fundamentally created by the Democrat policy of mandating "affordable housing," so Freddie and Fannie May were created to guarantee loans to the poor. Now the economy is trashed due to reckless lending.

Talmuds have pretty much always voted Democrat:

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And for progressive causes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_vie...S_politics

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Jewish Americans were not just involved in nearly every important social movement but in the forefront of promoting such issues as workers rights, civil rights, woman's rights, gay rights, freedom of religion, freedom from religion, peace movements, and various other progressive causes.

Thus to beat the left and stop them from killing America and sending the West into Civil War, we have to beat the Talmuds.

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As Trump has allowed a "Talmudist" to marry his daughter, welcome him to the family, and her to convert to "Talmudism" I reckon he's not (nor should I be) too phased by it.

Something this thread got me wondering about...

Given that one can freely convert to being a "talmudist", I wonder if say, the regular guy on the street could convert and then gain access to some of the benefits described throughout this thread (access to elite schools, stand up comedy, the entertainment industries, the dental profession, and so on).

Which also reminds me of the scene in the movie "Airplane" where a a stewardess passes out reading material including the book, "Jews in Sports' and it's a three page pamphlet.[Image: lol.gif]
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Quote: (12-01-2016 12:28 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

As Trump has allowed a "Talmudist" to marry his daughter, welcome him to the family, and her to convert to "Talmudism" I reckon he's not (nor should I be) too phased by it.

The orthodox Talmuds are far more amenable and reasonable people compared to the ones who come from the religion yet follow few of its precepts. The latter belong to the left, and left-wing Talmuds have done most of the atrocities under the banner of the Red army and other "progressive" causes. But historically there are many other wrongs the Talmuds have done.

In the present day, God fearing Talmuds not only understand the foundations of America but also are more likely to convert to Christianity as well. They assimilate and thus it is no surprise Trump judged Kushner to be safe. The conservative Talmuds also greatly respect America and show gratitude for having saved them after WWII.

The fact that I can make this distinction is important and separates me from the White Supremacists and genuine anti-Semites.

Even still, there is the very real problem of Talmudic nepotism within schools and professions. The only ones who are willing to talk about it are right-wing Talmuds like Ron Unz, whom I quoted at the start of my last post. Scorpion showed me that article years ago, very eye opening.

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Something this thread got me wondering about...

Given that one can freely convert to being a "talmudist", I wonder if say, the regular guy on the street could convert and then gain access to some of the benefits described throughout this thread (access to elite schools, stand up comedy, the entertainment industries, the dental profession, and so on).

No, you can't, takes at least a generation before you get respect.

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Great discussion, but every argument you make has a huge hole. You make many assumptions and carry many internal constructs which just aren't true.

Rather than parse, I will just reply.

1. You have abandoned your claim that Jews are disproportionally involved in the sale of "vice" - drugs, gambling, porn, prostitution, booze.

2. You earlier said that Jews have higher IQs. This is borne out by studies showing a higher average IQ of Jews, and a more disproportionate effect the higher you go on the IQ scale.

If the percentage of Jews with IQs over 130 is six times that of other Americans, and the percentage of Jews with IQs over 150 ten times that of other Americans, how is it "racism" or even surprising that Jews are disproportionally represented amongst physicians and Nobel Prize winners in science? Don't we want smart people as doctors?

https://www.aei.org/publication/the-2011...jewish-iq/
http://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/pa...socsci.pdf
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~negisama/asdf2.pdf

On the one hand you (and Kevin MacDonald) say that Jews are smarter, on the other, you say their success is a result of a conspiracy.

You even go so far to say that the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, which award the Nobels in science and medicine are controlled by Jews, accounting for their disproportionate representation !!

Jews represent half the world's chess champions. Tell me how to rig a chess game. Maybe you can take a cue from feminists who explain the injustice that all chess champions are men - "privilege."

3. Unz does raise some good issues. I read the article. Asians are getting screwed the way Jews were in the 1920s and 30s in the Ivies, no doubt about it. Yes, there might be a finger on the scale for Jews in some of these Ivy institutions out of ethnic preference. I never said Jews don't discriminate in favor of Jews: I said that every ethnic group discriminates in favor of their own.

There might also be a prejudice against Asians, racial and seen as uni-dimensional grinds and nerds. Pure money is a factor, for example the allegation that Jared Kushner's father bought Jared's way into Harvard with a $2.5 million gift. That is the same thing as GW Bush getting into Yale and HBS. Jews have now reached a point where they benefit from legacy admissions, too.

If Jews are smarter and hugely overrepresented at the extreme higher ends of the IQ scale, we still expect more Jews will be admitted to Harvard on pure performance.

Except for the Ivies, your table of colleges tells nothing. So 48% of students at Brandeis are Jewish? My response is, only 48% of Brandeis is Jewish? So what. Private institutions founded on ethnic and religious grounds discriminate to some extent. Notre Dame is 80% Catholic, BC is 70% Catholic. Meharry Medical College and Howard Medical School are majority black. Brigham Young is Mormon, SMU is Methodist.

Coupled with the evidence of higher Jewish IQ, your tables on college composition are a long way from proving your allegation that Jews control things through racism.

4. "Based on my family within the Syrian Orthodox Church. I see a lot of Christians running around in my Church with typically Jewish features (2000 years after the fact!!), I have my own DNA test . . . "

That is the most ridiculous thing you have said in this discussion. You see Jews everywhere.

Ya mean that Semites with ancestry from Syria and Mesopotamia have "typical Jewish features?" Not sure what you mean by "typical Jewish features," but I guess that proves your idea that Assyrians are converted Jews, because we all know that Jews, Assyrians, and Arabs don't look at all alike!

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The last one is the Jewish actor who played Saddam Hussein, Yigal Naor.

And what about your DNA test? You must have some Jewish DNA if your idea is true.

5. Your "50/50 political split, based on observable human nature" is a false construct.

50/50 political splits are based on first-past-the-post electoral systems like the USA and UK, not human nature. If you have a form of proportional representation, the splits can be 25/25/25/25, 33/33/33, or any other multiparty percentage split, see Spain, Germany, Israel, Italy.

Beyond that, the "left/right" divide is completely arbitrary and never represents the true diversity of political opinion.

6. I see you have bought into the "Ghetto real estate caused the world financial system to collapse" Big Lie. That Big Lie was created to absolve Wall Street of fraud and recklessness.

Like all Big Lies, there is one true fact contained therein: US law, through the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), did encourage banks to lend for affordable housing. The CRA does specifically say that it should be done in accordance with "prudential banking practices," however. It did not mean that banks had to throw money at people.

And, any mortgage lending is done at a relatively low risk to a bank. A bank can't lose 100% of an investment, because of the value of the underlying real estate, even if it is inflated. If a bank lends $200k for a house that is really only worth $100k, they have only lost 50%

What happened in the subprime mortgage crisis was that the overvalued $200k mortgage was bundled with other mortgages into a security or Collateralized Debt Obligation (CDO). These CDOs with high yields were bought with money which was itself borrowed by the investment banks at closer to prime rate, so there was further leverage. They were also falsely rated as AAA debt by Moody's and Standard and Poor's. The banks issuing the securities also insured against loss with Credit Default Swaps, which produced a premium yield were themselves sold to companies like AIG Insurance. These seemed like a good bet, because the CDOs were rated AAA.

Wall Street was making money on the sale of all of these bonds and derivatives, so they created a demand for mortgage debt which was filled by the subprime lenders.

The bottom line was that there could be $1 million of obligations - the bonds, the debt borrowing to buy the bonds, the insurance on the bonds - held by financial institutions resting on $100k of real estate value. That was not government's doing. Again, read The Big Short before you comment again on the 2008 crisis.

7. You make a lot of assertions that Jews are lending to each other at no interest, no evidence, failed argument.

8. It is absolutely true that the Israel lobby has had a bad effect on US foreign policy. Pointing this out like Steven Walt and John Mearsheimer did leads to false charges of anti-Semitism. Obviously the Israel lobby is supported by many American Jews. Evangelical Christians are also big supporters, to fulfill Biblical prophesies. There are also American Jews who are the most vehement opponents of the Lobby, like Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Philip Weiss.

The fair statement is that most American Jews, like most Americans, support the survival of Israel but may not support Netanyahu's policies or US military interventions in behalf of Israel.

While the Israel lobby is the most prominent example of an ethnic minority shaping American policy, it is not the only one. Cuban-Americans kept sanctions and bans on Cuba in play for a long time. Greek-Americans stopped the sale of fighter jets to NATO Turkey during the Cold War. The IRA was treated with kid gloves by the US government because of Irish Americans like Kennedy and Peter King, despite the fact they were planting bombs in our ally the UK.

I think you and I can agree on this: that the Lobby (Kristol, Bolton, Woolsey, etc.) wants war on Iran, and that it would be a bad idea for the USA.

Trump can't Make America Great Again if he buys into that war.
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OP, you do not know how DNA works.

I will explain.



First of all, there is no such thing as "Jewish DNA" "Arab DNA" "North Korean DNA" and so on. Haplogroups are all that matter when you try to determine ancestry.



Now, each haplogroup is keyed to a certain geographic area. For example, since you are part Arab, you probably have a J1 and/or J2 haplogroup.



Jews, Arameans, Assyrians... have that marker too, and they are, and always were, distinct nations. The presence of J haplogroup only says that your ancestors came from that part of the world, and that they could be of any nation that lives there. And nothing more than that. There is no way to prove that your ancestors were Jews who converted 2000 years ago.



Any person familiar with genetics will confirm what I have said easily.




And OP, again, you use emotions. You mix facts with beliefs. And you know who patented that idea? The guys at Frankfurt School.
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Jews, Arameans, Assyrians... have that marker too, and they are, and always were, distinct nations. The presence of J haplogroup only says that your ancestors came from that part of the world, and that they could be of any nation that lives there. And nothing more than that. There is no way to prove that your ancestors were Jews who converted 2000 years ago.

Don't think so. They can compare relatedness between people by comparing DNA. So if someone matches enough people who have Israeli, Sephardic, or Ashkenazi DNA, then they come from the same descendents regardless of what they call themselves today. GED Match uses the least squares method = regressive analysis. Used for thousands of things.

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Tribalism. Mormons will fuck over non Mormons just like the Lena Dunham crowd will fuck over goy. Chinese will fuck over non Chinese as well. these groups also self police pretty thoroughly and are a pain in the ass to their own. The solution is the triumph of a meritocracy over all tribal associations. I'm not sure it will happen though and maybe the next best solution is a strong leader that can keep all groups in line.
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Sp5,

Not trying to dissect your post, but SMU is a poor example of the point you were trying to make there.

SMU is about money. If you're a qualified Cole or Caitlyn in the top 25% of your class, and you have the cash, you can go. There is no strict "cutoff" for admission. Because Sports.

They do encourage Faith, but on a very broad spectrum and even have devoted programs for Sikh, Muslim, etc. reference

About 16% of students identify as Methodist- while 26% Catholic. They are not even close to the majority like your other examples, which I assume you researched before posting. From their FAQ:

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Do I have to be Methodist to attend SMU?
No. Actually about 16% of the SMU student population is Methodist, while 26% is Roman Catholic. The remainder of the population represents other Protestant denominations and other religions, including Judaism, Buddhism, Greek Orthodox and Islam, and includes non-religious students.

I am not trying to get involved in this Jewish DNA debate. However, I am trying to learn about new things and it helps if the information is accurate. So when I read a well thought out post, and one of the examples of a point being made is incredibly false, it makes me and other people doubt the credibility of the entire argument.

*side note: I'd venture to say the "Methodist" 16% are among the least religious on campus, other than the Atheists.

Ok, carry on.
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You are right, shame on me for throwing SMU in as an example. BYU is 98% Mormon, though! And Notre Dame is 80% Catholic.

As my drill sergeant said, when you assume you make an ass out of U and ME. Except it was only me I made an ass of.

Thinking about the 98% Mormon composition of BYU, do the Mormons display the characteristics of organization, favoritism, power-seeking ascribed to the Jews by Samseau? They are preeminent in the CIA, for example. And Evan McMullin, Romney? They are definitely punching above their weight in the USA. Not racial, though: probably about 95% Anglo-Saxon/Scotch-Irish in origin.


Quote: (12-03-2016 12:48 PM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  

Sp5,

Not trying to dissect your post, but SMU is a poor example of the point you were trying to make there.

SMU is about money. If you're a qualified Cole or Caitlyn in the top 25% of your class, and you have the cash, you can go. There is no strict "cutoff" for admission. Because Sports.

They do encourage Faith, but on a very broad spectrum and even have devoted programs for Sikh, Muslim, etc. reference

About 16% of students identify as Methodist- while 26% Catholic. They are not even close to the majority like your other examples, which I assume you researched before posting. From their FAQ:

Quote:Quote:

Do I have to be Methodist to attend SMU?
No. Actually about 16% of the SMU student population is Methodist, while 26% is Roman Catholic. The remainder of the population represents other Protestant denominations and other religions, including Judaism, Buddhism, Greek Orthodox and Islam, and includes non-religious students.

I am not trying to get involved in this Jewish DNA debate. However, I am trying to learn about new things and it helps if the information is accurate. So when I read a well thought out post, and one of the examples of a point being made is incredibly false, it makes me and other people doubt the credibility of the entire argument.

*side note: I'd venture to say the "Methodist" 16% are among the least religious on campus, other than the Atheists.

Ok, carry on.
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Sp5,

I am only responding because I wish to clarify that I neither agree nor disagree with you or Samseau. I am just in observation.

Regarding the second part of your post, I must defer to my opinion of men, which I have made my case in previous posts on the forum.

I have decided it is necessary to know about people, but conclusions can only be determined, and verdicts carried out, based on the actions of a man; of himself, and only that.

No other influence shall be considered, be it race, religion, or otherwise. I will take caution, knowing of the men, but each single man stands alone- their actions and words my evidence for tomorrow's enterprise. Let judgement be swift, but only based on Truth, the one step closer to God that Man must try to climb.
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Quote: (12-04-2016 03:53 AM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  

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I have decided it is necessary to know about people, but conclusions can only be determined, and verdicts carried out, based on the actions of a man; of himself, and only that.

No other influence shall be considered, be it race, religion, or otherwise. I will take caution, knowing of the men, but each single man stands alone- their actions and words my evidence for tomorrow's enterprise. Let judgement be swift, but only based on Truth, the one step closer to God that Man must try to climb.

You don't live in a very poor or diverse part of your nation, do you?

I'm not insulting you, but on the wrong side of the tracks those ideals will get you killed.

Nature does not fare well the zebra that determines whether a lion is hungry by waiting for it to pounce.

edit: Bolded part noted, but still...

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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Quote: (12-04-2016 04:32 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (12-04-2016 03:53 AM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  

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I have decided it is necessary to know about people, but conclusions can only be determined, and verdicts carried out, based on the actions of a man; of himself, and only that.

No other influence shall be considered, be it race, religion, or otherwise. I will take caution, knowing of the men, but each single man stands alone- their actions and words my evidence for tomorrow's enterprise. Let judgement be swift, but only based on Truth, the one step closer to God that Man must try to climb.

You don't live in a very poor or diverse part of your nation, do you?

I'm not insulting you, but on the wrong side of the tracks those ideals will get you killed.

Nature does not fare well the zebra that determines whether a lion is hungry by waiting for it to pounce.

edit: Bolded part noted, but still...

Seems like a good rule to me, I've lived in some very dangerous places. Be cautious, but be open to anyone until they prove otherwise.
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