Quote: (08-21-2011 11:22 PM)Dash Global Wrote:
Where have you found statistics on violent crime success rate or failure when the victim was armed?!?!? Please post them.
Dude, you started making things up. This is usually a bad sign that you have nothing to counter the statistics I posted. But, just in case, let's do a quick fact check:
1. Gun owners typically argue that there is direct connection between availability of guns to general population and violent crime (typical slogan "more guns - less crime"). Do you agree with that?
2. Gun owners lobby for the less restrictive laws regulating weapon ownership, with the rationale is that if there are less restrictions on gun purchase and ability to carry one (i.e. CCW or having it in your vehicle), then more citizens will carry/drive guns and will be able to protect themselves - which is supposed to lead to less crime. Do you agree with that?
Note that even the most fanatic gun owners did not suggest forcing everyone to own a gun. A lot of people, me included, aren't buying guns just because we don't need them. It is not because we are restricted in some way, so this will not change even if they start selling guns in your local grocery store.
Now, the FBI violent crime statistics contradicts with claims 1 and/or 2. Which means the agenda of gun owners is wrong, and more available guns do not mean less crime. I don't know why the whole TX is not carrying as it seems quite easy there, but so far it is sufficient to state a fact that despite having more permissive gun laws, the violent crime in TX is higher than in CA which has much more restrictive gun laws.
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So tell me how owning a gun will DECREASE your chances of surviving a violent crime. Cant wait to hear this one! haha
You're getting childish. Is it because you run out of arguments? This is not daycare, and you're not talking to your girlfriend. If you cannot handle yourself to have a civilized discussion without gimmicks, you better not have it at all.
But again, I'll give you benefit of the doubt and come up with an explanation.
When the population is unarmed, the robber might go out with just a knife, or with no weapons at all. Even if there is a confrontation, there is usually little risk to his life as long as he chooses his victims carefully. Therefore carrying a gun has little benefit for him, but a risk is high (societies which outlaw gun ownership usually have pretty harsh penalties for illegal carrying).
However when a potential victim may be armed, a reasonable criminal just has to be armed - it is matter of his survival. And any victim could be armed, so if there is even a chance the victim has a gun, the criminal has to shoot first, and what would be robbery ended up as assault or homicide.
This theory is actually supported by the facts. For example, the robbery rate for CA is much higher than in TX (CA 173 vs TX 153). However the aggravated assault rate in TX is well over this difference (299 TX vs 270 CA). So while it is just a theory, at least it is supported by hard facts published by a trusted neutral source.
Quote: (08-22-2011 02:28 PM)Dash Global Wrote:
Oldnemesis thinks trained professional hit men are out to kill people and carrying a firearm will do you no good! lmfao!
Don't worry about me, watch your back. You know, no guns for you in Korea, so all those dangerous criminals would have a free ride to rob and rape you. I really surprised you actually decided to go there, such a criminal-friendly society preying on innocent citizens who cannot even carry a gun to protect themselves. Think about hiring a bodyguard or two, should be good investment.
This is another thing nobody yet explained: how do those gun owners travel? If one needs to keep their gun around them 24/7 just to feel safe, it is impossible in most popular travel destinations. Don't they travel at all, or their mindset suddenly changes as soon as they leave the USA?