[SamuelBRoberts]

"Strange we need such a busy thread about this. Facts are facts."

Yeah, I think people like you and me who hang out in East Asia a lot might have a lot better view of this. I've dealt with a lot of Japanese people, from all walks of life, and my perception is that on average, they're about 5% smarter than your average American, which is what the IQ tests indicate. I have no real problem admitting this, despite the fact that I'm not Japanese, because I know what my own IQ is and don't feel particular intimidated by someone with an IQ of 105.

Even MENSA recognizes IQ differences by race. To get into Mensa, you need to be in the top 2% of the population, but that top 2% is by country. To get into Mensa in the US, you need, or at least you did the last time I looked, an IQ in the mid 130 range. To get into Japanese Mensa it has to be around 142 or so.

I have no problem admitting that my race (white) isn't the smartest, so I don't have a lot of patience for other people who don't want to admit the same thing for their own.

[Pride male]

During a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. The truth has never been popular.

[El Padrone]

Wow! Amazing thread right here. Personal effort counts for nothing.

Once you're born black, you're out. Sorry mano. You're black, you're pendejo. No choices for you to make. You're damned before the act.

And if you achieve anything of note at all, then its still nothing because afterall, your race measures lowest on the amazing IQ test given by the eternal cosmic force from before creation.

Thanks guys. In the end, Effort is nothing. Race is everydamnthing.

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Wow! Amazing thread right here. Personal effort counts for nothing.

Once you're born black, you're out. Sorry mano. You're black, you're pendejo. No choices for you to make. You're damned before the act.

And if you achieve anything of note at all, then its still nothing because afterall, your race measures lowest on the amazing IQ test given by the eternal cosmic force from before creation.

Thanks guys. In the end, Effort is nothing. Race is everydamnthing."

Would you say this thread has triggered you? Would you like us to make this forum a safe space?

[Coldfire]

As a black guy I think culture has a lot to do with it. Black people in America we don't really have a culture that promotes academic excellence, and a lot of groups like BLM (I hate them so much) focus on external conflicts rather than the problems we make ourselves. If you look at the black people in places like Germany it was shown that the black people there didn't have any difference in IQ with other Germans. I think this is because there is no Black German culture its just German culture.

[SamuelBRoberts]

"As a black guy I think culture has a lot to do with it. Black people in America we don't really have a culture that promotes academic excellence, and a lot of groups like BLM (I hate them so much) focus on external conflicts rather than the problems we make ourselves. If you look at the black people in places like Germany it was shown that the black people there didn't have any difference in IQ with other Germans. I think this is because there is no Black German culture its just German culture."

You might very well be right. No one knows how much of IQ is genetic and how much isn't. I think they're leaning towards a more genetic explanation now, but what if they're wrong? How many black doctors and black scientists are we missing out on because we have to lie to make people like El Padrone up there feel better?

[El Padrone]

Triggered? Sure. A couple of sick alt right white nationalists pronouncing blacks as shit.

Thats the gospel truth right there. They own it. You want the truth, yeah, go to The Daily Caller, Taki Mag, Fox, Breitbart, David Duke,etc

Anybody disagreeing just needs to fuck off.

You know what I call the garbage man? I call him 'sir'. The checkout clerk, I say 'thank you sir'. You know what I get back in return? Respect.

That means nothing to you of course. I'm triggered and need a safe space.

[Phoenix]

(09-12-2016 03:27 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Would you say this thread has triggered you? Would you like us to make this forum a safe space?

Blacks are more athletic on average and have bigger dicks.
Any of you pale faces triggered by these facts?

Facts are facts. Don't get triggered, just factor them in to the extent they are useful, and if they're not, ignore them.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(09-12-2016 02:33 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

During a time of universal deceit butthurt, telling the truth is a revolutionary shitlord act.
...

[Glaucon]

Don't whine about racism until you go and do an IQ test online...Jeez.

Have you never heard of inverted u graph? It just means different values from the average are much less likely in %. If the average is lower for some group than for others that only means the % of higher values are much less in the lower average group but not 0%

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Fun fact: Despite being considered by everyone to be very intelligent, I am terrible at IQ tests. If I fail to get a job anywhere that has standardized testing, you can bet that it's because of a low score on an IQ test.

I hate to harp on the established science here, but sorting a bunch of triangles on a paper is very different from the ability to actually:

A) use that intelligence towards a practical goal
B) discern whether goals are good for you or not
C) focus on a goal and push towards it with determination
D) be a balanced/productive/satisfied individual in general

Science tells us that high-IQ individuals have better income, more stable marriages and lower rates of getting into trouble, but nothing that I see in my surroundings matches that claim. The studies certainly seem correct on paper, but as Shakespeare would say, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark".

There has to be something else that also significantly influences life outcomes and quality of life. Until we know what it is, I'll just act dumb (heh) and refer to it as wisdom.

[Benoit]

A lot of the arguments against generalisations come from people who make the same error over and over again.

Quote:

Person 1: "On average, people from group X are worse at Y"

Person 2: "I'm from group X and I'm great at Y. Here is a list of the ways I'm not average, so therefore you're wrong"

[Phoenix]

^ HCE, Agreed. We have to remember that IQ tests are devised by other humans as controlled tests. The only real test is the world itself. Have you ever met Mensa people? Would you say they seem particularly successful in life, such that you're envious of them and their big brains?

IQ tests may be correlated with real world success, but in a common 3rd-factor manner, rather than a causal one.

[Peregrine]

(09-12-2016 04:52 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

A lot of the arguments against generalisations come from people who make the same error over and over again.

Quote:

Person 1: "On average, people from group X are worse at Y"

Person 2: "I'm from group X and I'm great at Y. Here is a list of the ways I'm not average, so therefore you're wrong"

No kidding. This is rudimentary. And Padrone insists on equating "on average, blacks have a lower IQ than whites/Asians" (true) with "blacks are shit" (false), suggesting that he's either trolling or dumb.

I am curious about how genetic IQ is. I've always assumed it was almost completely genetic, but culture probably has an after-birth influence.

[Phoenix]

^ Culture definately has some effect on intelligence, the percentage is up to opinion. I'm guessing about 1/3rd cultural, based on historical and geographic variances.

If you're born with a good brain by blood, but it gets damaged with bad philosophy as it matures (e.g. subjective vs objective reasoning), it's obviously not going to end up as powerful as it could've been.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Well screw you all.

I've sunk all my money into importing half a million Rubiks Cubes into Haiti, having brilliantly noticed a black hole for them in the market there.

Any minute now I'm going to become a millionaire.

[Fortis]

I can't remember where I read it, but I've read that High-IQ individuals are very good at arguing and that that was one of the major features of high-IQ.

Honestly, I'd love to get more IQ discussions in on this forum.

Seriously, does any black guy here think he's got lower IQ because of some test findings by some old dude?

[The Beast1]

I was taught that Watson and Crick stole results from Rosalind Franklin's findings and took credit over her.

I find this dubious to be fair and another one of those feminists trying to rewrite history.

Does anyone have any commentary on this?

[Peregrine]

(09-12-2016 06:10 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I can't remember where I read it, but I've read that High-IQ individuals are very good at arguing and that that was one of the major features of high-IQ.

Honestly, I'd love to get more IQ discussions in on this forum.

Seriously, does any black guy here think he's got lower IQ because of some test findings by some old dude?

Intelligence does lend itself to strong logical reasoning, but more telling is the ability to grasp and manipulate mental abstractions (i.e. mathematics). My definition of intelligence has always been "mental horsepower" or "mental processing speed". The higher your mental horsepower, the more "mental cycles" (I'm making up terms here, there's probably scientific terms for this) you can achieve in a given time. Higher IQ = CPU power. To run with the processor analogy, a stronger CPU can process the same mental concept faster than a weaker CPU. In addition, the stronger CPU can process concepts that a weaker one can't, even if you give the weaker one more time. This is obviously non-linear.

My views are completely unscientific and anecdotal based on people I work with (quants). The average IQ on my team is probably 140 to 150 (and I know at least one guy who's ~180).

I also would not be surprised if the IQ on RVF is way above average. Average on RVF is quite possibly 115 to 120 and we definitely have people on the far right of the curve.

[Pride male]

Would you rather be a meat head who bangs lots of young chicks or a socially inept genius like Tesla?

[weambulance]

(09-12-2016 03:14 AM)El Padrone Wrote:  

Wow! Amazing thread right here. Personal effort counts for nothing.

Once you're born black, you're out. Sorry mano. You're black, you're pendejo. No choices for you to make. You're damned before the act.

And if you achieve anything of note at all, then its still nothing because afterall, your race measures lowest on the amazing IQ test given by the eternal cosmic force from before creation.

Thanks guys. In the end, Effort is nothing. Race is everydamnthing.

(09-12-2016 03:56 AM)El Padrone Wrote:  

Triggered? Sure. A couple of sick alt right white nationalists pronouncing blacks as shit.

Thats the gospel truth right there. They own it. You want the truth, yeah, go to The Daily Caller, Taki Mag, Fox, Breitbart, David Duke,etc

Anybody disagreeing just needs to fuck off.

You know what I call the garbage man? I call him 'sir'. The checkout clerk, I say 'thank you sir'. You know what I get back in return? Respect.

That means nothing to you of course. I'm triggered and need a safe space.

You done with your little tantrum yet, sweetie?

Maybe you should take a time out, because you're tilting against bogeymen of your own creation, and have been the whole goddamn thread.

[The Beast1]

Guys, please discuss the merits of IQ here: thread-58190.html

One thing is for certain: High IQ is a good indicator of thread subject derailment likelihood.

[rw95]

(09-11-2016 10:39 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:52 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 07:38 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

One need only look at conditions in every country in sub-Sahara Africa and Caribbean countries to see IQ differences are real and IQ matters.

Yes, because the Caribbean is SUCH a shithole.
It's not like there are countries in the Caribbean with majority-black populations doing better than nations in Eastern Europe and Asia in terms of average income.

The Eastern European and Southeast Asian countries you're referring to tend to have something in common, namely a recent history of communism, which encourages the lower class to rise up and overthrow/imprison/exile/kill the intellectual and economic elite.

Indeed. But the fact is that Eastern Europe has historically been more corrupt, less innovative and less productive than northern and western Europe. There's a good reason communism caught on so quickly.

On a similar note, southern Europe is also less productive today than western and northern Europe, though more productive than eastern Europe.

If a nation's farmers kill all of its doctors, a la Cambodia -- yes, you're going to have some problems going forward.

If your business is run "democratically" or by government bureaucrats, rather than by an innovative and intelligent individual, like, say, an Elon Musk -- yes, it's going to be less successful on average.

Singapore is a great example of all of this in action. It's not a coincidence that the richest country in Southeast Asia is 75% Chinese. And it's not a coincidence that the country's wealth exploded after rejecting their former communist oriented system in favor of more of a free market republic, which allowed their innate strengths to flourish.

Just like in individuals, intelligence creates a slightly higher ceiling, but it means nothing without a system or ideology in place to harness it.

That's why someone with an IQ of 100 can outperform someone with an IQ of 120, and why a fairly high IQ society like China will struggle under ineffective governments but thrive in the proper environment.

But where does corruption come from?

[ivansirko]

(09-11-2016 07:32 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Do you apply this in other areas of your life?

As much as society allows. I have some "Asian" lineage but to me its Filipino.

Quote:

When someone says "I'm black," do you say, "No you aren't. That's just a construct!" Do you go into the Black Man game thread over in the game section and tell them, "No, you're not really black after all. You don't need your own thread." You can fiddle with the definitions around the edges but Black, White, and Asian are real things.

No someone who is an SJW shouts in the corners at random people like you describe.

Quote:

"Do English score better than French?"
Yes. 100 vs. 98.

"How about the Russians vs the Poles?"
Poles score higher. 99 vs. 97. (For all the Polack jokes out there, the poles have a higher IQ than the French!)

"Or the Koreans (North or South?) vs the Japanese? "
South Korea is supposedly 106 to Japan's 105.
They're the #2 and #3 countries, respectively. If you count countries, as opposed to tiny city-states like Hong Kong and Singapore, they're #1 and #2.

I doubt there's good data on North Korean IQ. But it's probably shit.

You totally didnt get the point at all.

[rw95]

(09-11-2016 11:32 PM)Sombro Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 11:06 PM)scotian Wrote:  

^English speaking ones: Bermuda, Barbados, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, etc. They inherited a good form of goverance from the British and have decent economies based on tourism and finance (tax havens).

It's been said that Caribbean countries that were former British colonies have it much better off than those that were French colonies.

I will not argue with this point. These colonies had an infrastructure put into place by the west, and because they have this infrastructure in place they were successful. However, the same applies to the rest of the world. In one way or another, the west has provided the infrastructure (technologically, politically, etc.) for the rest of the world. Some regions have caught on rather nicely (the English-speaking Caribbean, east Asia.) Others have not (the Middle East, Africa, South Asia).