Quote: (09-01-2016 08:36 PM)redbeard Wrote:
Good points.
I never read the book, but it seems every review of it is from guys who were burnt out over MM and wanted something else. "Free yourself from canned routines and learn natural seduction!" Like they kept walking up to chicks, got stumped with canned openers, and couldn't improvise something on their own. Instead of learning other lines they open up "Models" and are converted to the "natural game" where they can walk up to girls and say "hello I am interested in you" and succeed.
I see "net game" history as
- Ovid
- Don Juan/Casanova
- Iceberg Slim
- Ross Jeffries
- Alt.Seduction.Fast
- Mystery/Style
- Book called "The Game" comes out
- Tyler has to reinvent - "natural game" becomes the thing
- Pick Up Artist TV Show - makes canned game look good, but horrible.
- Roosh/Roissy/Rollo/(Dal)Rock
- Manosphere
- Current Era - heavy on lifestyle game, travel and logistics.
Quote: (09-01-2016 08:36 PM)redbeard Wrote:
I had no clue he was in SEA when he wrote the book...that's like a minor league coach trying to coach LeBron.
He's one of those guys that got featured on the Tropical MBA/Lifestyle Business podcast - one of the first people I'd heard of who actually managed to do the 4hr Work Week. He rebranded as Post-Masculine at first, and now it's just Mark Manson.
It's all personal development stuff - which as far as I'm concerned is a content treadmill. I was listening to all of those 4HWW type podcasts, and they're all either making content or offering services.
That's the business I'm in now. (except mine is not portable)
They've now jumped on FBA, and there are a few guys talking about straight up e-commerce.
Quote: (09-01-2016 08:36 PM)redbeard Wrote:
A question I often wonder is, "if someone is new to game, what book do you recommend?" The biggest hurdle (as you alluded to in another post) is to accept that game can be learned. After that, the book should contain:
-Everything from opening to closing
-Just enough biology for guys to understand man vs. woman
-Straight-up techniques
-Basic troubleshooting
-Not too much theory
In my opinion Bang fits this perfectly. As a math type...I'd add Bang PLUS the chart from MM (Attract 1-3, Comfort 1-3, Seduce 1-3). I really like that, and think it's important to think about where you are in the process. Off topic but that chart also relates to sales...you never come in guns blazing and say "BUY THIS RIGHT NOW!" you have to attract the customer, comfort them with testimonials, then seduce them with a discount.
I was reading something on Tuesday or Wednesday that named a good chunk of the old school pua skill set. It was a lair leader (hah, remember that, lair? can we be more Dungeons and Dragons?)... from Europe who by all accounts is actually a stellar player.
For the newbs
- this thing exists
- it can be done
- they can do it.
From there, I just don't know.
The easiest ways to get pussy are social circle and online, but those are actually hard to learn game from.
Since the cost of pussy has dropped so much, I don't think guys think they even need "Game".
Why would anyone need to learn
- how to hold court
- how to handle other guys trying to interrupt you to steal your chick
- how to merge a few sets together
- what to do when she starts talking about sucking dicks while you're at the bar?
You can just swipe 50 chicks and one will swipe you back. Improve your look by dressing better and working out and maybe that drops to 1 out of 20. When shits that easy, what I'm talking about sounds crazy.
Day game is more accessible to a lot of guys, but good places to actually day game - where you're approaching 4-5 sets of girls per hour - are few and far between. Not even all of NYC is good for this, it's probably a handful of places in lower Manhattan where you're going to see lots of young and pretty chicks going about their day.
Roll up to midtown, and you've got busy chicks going to work or lunch. So you have to make great impact in a short time to get a solid #. She's not actually going to spend her 30 minute break with you at Au Bon Pain.
If you're in the wrong part of Brooklyn, you're not seeing anyone for hours.
Now imagine you were in Sacramento or Charlotte. Unless you're on campus...
So all that's left is night game. The only way to get that much face time with chicks who are ostensibly trying to be social.
But night clubs and bars are dying. There used to be more places to go, and those places had people. Now everyone's at home online, or not gathering together, or they're packed into these bottle service clubs where people are too stiff for most of the night.
We're already seeing that the millennial generation is having less sex than we are.
Whole world is messed up when getting laid is easier, but learning game is harder.
*goes the way of the sabretooth*
WIA
