[911]

So to those offended by the title, what's a politically correct term for a white woman who's into black men? Is "jungle fever" equally offensive? I don't think "yellow fever" is...

[realologist]

(08-27-2016 06:27 AM)911 Wrote:  

So to those offended by the title, what's a politically correct term for a white woman who's into black men? Is "jungle fever" equally offensive? I don't think "yellow fever" is...

How about "Slut dumps fiance for Caribbean Player. Gets Played."

Then actually post the article instead of just laughing gifs basically saying she get what she deserves for dumping her fiance and "gasp" dating a black man.

You just think that wouldn't be a big deal on a forum where people literally travel the world trying to capture different flags.

[Horus]

(08-27-2016 06:27 AM)911 Wrote:  

So to those offended by the title, what's a politically correct term for a white woman who's into black men? Is "jungle fever" equally offensive? I don't think "yellow fever" is...

I didn't like the title. But you have a good point - if we accept the term yellow fever," then if we are to be consistent, we should find no problem with the term "coal burner."

[JacksonRev]

Yea, if you're going to post about racist game, post here: thread-44508.html

Otherwise you just get gay gifs from butthurt racists.

[Il Bersagliere]

(08-27-2016 07:17 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

Yea, if you're going to post about racist game, post here: thread-44508.html

Otherwise you just get gay gifs from butthurt racists.

Like this one?



If this thread triggered something from your childhood, my PM box is always open.

[JacksonRev]

(08-27-2016 09:14 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 07:17 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

Yea, if you're going to post about racist game, post here: thread-44508.html

Otherwise you just get gay gifs from butthurt racists.

Like this one?



If this thread triggered something from your childhood, my PM box is always open.

Yea, that is pretty gay.

Look, if you want an entire thread based on your race trying to screw girls from another race, that's fine. But it does get annoying when you whine like a little bitch anytime someone else says something about race.

Hell, half the funny jokes thread is racist shit, but the same people that laugh at that shit act like they swallowed a dick anytime the shoe swings the other way.

[Chowder Head]

The entire thread based on race??? The discussions on the last few pages of the thread were cars, suits, clubs, soap, and cologne. Since when was talking about banging women from other races called racist?

[Il Bersagliere]

(08-27-2016 09:35 AM)Chowder Head Wrote:  

The entire thread based on race??? The discussions on the last few pages of the thread were cars, suits, clubs, soap, and cologne. Since when was talking about banging women from other races called racist?

Competition anxiety. When the other guys don't measure up, they tend to lash out.

[Sumanguru]

(08-27-2016 06:27 AM)911 Wrote:  

So to those offended by the title, what's a politically correct term for a white woman who's into black men? Is "jungle fever" equally offensive? I don't think "yellow fever" is...

How about "Slutty woman goes on vacation and cheats on her man?" Or, if you *must* bring her race into it (cause it's not like any other race of woman ever goes on vacation and cheats, right?) you could say, "Slutty white woman gets played by Caribbean player, loses everything."

There are lots of ways to say it, two seconds of thought would have brought them up, but OP chose the shittiest way possible.

"Coal burning" is a term up there with "mud sharking" that is used exclusively by racists/white nationalists on places like Stormfront and 4chan's /pol/. "Yellow fever," for better or worse, has a much wider penetration into the general society and isn't used exclusively by hard core racists, therefore isn't comparable.

Again, I ask: is the mansopshere for *all* men, or just a certain color of man? Nowadays, it's really starting to seem like the latter.

[Samseau]

(08-27-2016 10:00 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 06:27 AM)911 Wrote:  

So to those offended by the title, what's a politically correct term for a white woman who's into black men? Is "jungle fever" equally offensive? I don't think "yellow fever" is...

How about "Slutty woman goes on vacation and cheats on her man?" Or, if you *must* bring her race into it (cause it's not like any other race of woman ever goes on vacation and cheats, right?) you could say, "Slutty white woman gets played by Caribbean player, loses everything."

There are lots of ways to say it, two seconds of thought would have brought them up, but OP chose the shittiest way possible.

"Coal burning" is a term up there with "mud sharking" that is used exclusively by racists/white nationalists on places like Stormfront and 4chan's /pol/. "Yellow fever," for better or worse, has a much wider penetration into the general society and isn't used exclusively by hard core racists, therefore isn't comparable.

Again, I ask: is the mansopshere for *all* men, or just a certain color of man? Nowadays, it's really starting to seem like the latter.

I agree that this forum can do without racial slurs, and yet they are convenient ways to describe inter-racial relationships. And people on this forum have been using small racial slurs like "yellow fever" forever.

The thing is, "yellow fever" isn't as offensive as "coal burner," the equivalent of "coal burner" is "rice chaser" or "rice king" for White men who date Asian women.

I went through the racial slur database, http://www.rsdb.org/race/whites , and it seems "night rider" is the least offensive term to describe White women who date Blacks frequently.

"Coal burner" is one of those slurs that White Nationalists use to shame women who so much as even touch a Black man, it's just designed to keep White women away from Blacks with social shame. It's obvious that Black men threaten White men the most in terms of dating value and that's why the most slurs are for women who date that way.

I also wonder if Asian men have similar terms for their women who date White men?

Regardless terms that are attempts to shame men and women who date interracially do not belong on this forum, as race mixing is not bad in and of itself (but bastardization is), but mild racial slurs like "yellow fever" or "night rider" which indicate preferences are far more tolerable depending on their context.

My .02.

[Captain Gh]

Damn! Well if she's a bit smart, I hope she realizes that she can snatch him back because of the last sentence she used! If she loses the weight, then comes back in his life... she right back where she'd like to be!

[Excelsior]

(08-27-2016 07:17 AM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

Yea, if you're going to post about racist game, post here: thread-44508.html

Otherwise you just get gay gifs from butthurt racists.

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Here you have motherfuckers coming in to this thread using terms deliberately designed to shame white women who even look at black men (equating it to "burning coal" - dirty, grimy, low class, etc), terms used by racialists across the nation (and across the internet) who explicitly oppose interracial dating.
And you actually have the fucking balls to compare that to a thread in which black men are merely discussing the possibility of dating non-black women and overcome the challenges associated with it (challenges created in large part by people who are so quick to use the terms we're discussing in this thread to shame women who look in our direction)?

That's what I disgust about you lot the most. You come out here using language explicitly designed to shame women who associate with men like us, comparing the activity to burning coal or living in mud (mudshark) as if the very act "taints" a woman and makes her unclean. You effectively insult us by saying that we're a disgusting, dirty mark on any white woman. But then you want to make false equivalences like this and pretend like we're cool.

But do you see black men on this forum coming out and using terms designed to apply that same shaming and "tainting" to black women who fuck white men? Do you see them imply that a black woman is "dirtier" for fucking with them? Do you see them effectively equating white men to tainting and unclean mud or dirt?

I know how common it is too - folks wanting not to seem racist, pretending they're all open minded when in fact they cringe at the thought of "their" women even looking in the direction of a black male (regardless of what his personality is). This bullshit mentality is common all over the USA, in areas both progressive and conservative, among bother democrats and republicans. Shit's as bad in deep blue New England as it is in the rural south. The same men who'll pat a black man on the back after a football came will turn right around with their crew and shame the white girl they see walking with him on campus the next week. The same Trump supporting white guys who say they don't see race will go on about "the consequences" of "coal-burning" and the price of being a "mudshark" the next week, right before they tell you about how much they love Ben Carson, aren't racist, and have black friends (and then plan their next sexcation to Southeast Asia). The same Hillary-loving educated white girls will tell you all about tolerance and open-mindedness ("love is love!") before they automatically eliminate every black face from their dating profile without even a glance, in part because they know full well how the (equally left-leaning) men in their life would respond if they tried to "burn the coal" and in part because they're fucking hypocrites.

I know the game, and I'm fucking done with it and everyone playing it. I've got zero tolerance for this insecure, close-minded fuckery and anyone who perpetuates it. Don't come around with it and then try to shake my hand like we're boys. "It's just a joke, bro". No, you're not joking. We're not idiots and we know you're not joking. If you promote this bullshit, we're not cool. Fuck off.

This shit is the reason so many posters confine their posting to that thread and a handful of others in the first place. As widespread as this fuckery is in society at large, it has become especially explicit and prominent in the manosphere now, as if to lift a big middle-finger to the black men who have contributed to this portion of the internet for years as part of what they were told was a brotherhood designed for self improvement. Instead, we get insecure fuckery. I'm not here for it.

Once again, to all of those who support and promote this kind of bullshit: Fuck you, your ilk, and the hole you lot crawled out of.

[Goldin Boy]

(08-27-2016 06:27 AM)911 Wrote:  

So to those offended by the title, what's a politically correct term for a white woman who's into black men? Is "jungle fever" equally offensive? I don't think "yellow fever" is...

There probably isn't one. Terms such as coal burner, mud shark, etc, like Samseau was alluding to, all frame the White woman as having mental issues, low self-esteem, child-hood trauma etc.

Those terms prove men have rationalization hamsters. Hear me out: Men are more the more visual sex, we turned on my ass, tits, face, etc, cues of female fertility. The men who use the terms above assume, incorrectly, that women get aroused the same way as men so the "coal burner" see a man with Black skin and immediately jumps into bed with him. Even if White girl only dates Blacks, if he has shitty game/can't close/escalate his skin color, her preference, won't always compensate for shitty game(I've got plenty of stories from college, ha).

I'll bet you any amount of money the men who invented those terms don't game and I doubt OP has good game either.

If every non-White male vanished from the US overnight, the remaining White guys would still need game to get laid.

Furthermore, she banged one Black guy. That doesn't mean that she's exclusively into Black men or has a fetish for Black guys. He's a con man but it sounds like his game was just slicker than her (ex)fiancee.

[General Stalin]

[Aurini]

(08-27-2016 10:00 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

"Coal burning" is a term up there with "mud sharking" that is used exclusively by racists/white nationalists on places like Stormfront and 4chan's /pol/. "Yellow fever," for better or worse, has a much wider penetration into the general society and isn't used exclusively by hard core racists, therefore isn't comparable.

Hmm... I wonder why that is?

This is just speculation - feel free to disagree with me - but it fits the pattern of modern doublethink: "Big Brother is Ungood." Anything white and/or male can be criticized, but anything going in the opposite direction is verboten. In this case, Blacks and women are near the top of the privilege hierarchy, so "coal burning" is crime think because it criticizes both groups. Yellow fever, on the other hand, ridicules White men and Asian women, who are acceptable targets for ridicule.

RooshV Wrote:

4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself

I would like to have kids that look like me, so I will not reproduce with a woman who is black, Asian, or Indian. Acceptable races are South American, Persian, Armenian, and European (non-Northern). The average Croatian or Romanian girl is more similar to my appearance than Spanish or Italian.

Patterns are patterns. I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but we've all made a point of recognizing patterns when it comes to women - and there's a pattern here that's worth noticing. White women who date or marry black men are often beaten, murdered, or simply abandoned, at extremely high rates. Granted, this is at least partially due to the difficulties that interracial relationships present all on their own (statistically, interracial relationships have higher rates of divorce, domestic violence, et cetera), but given just how drastic the numbers are with White-female-Black-male relationships, there seems to be something else going on.

Almost as if there were some cultural force teach Blacks to resent Whites, and to treat White women as disposable.

Recognizing this pattern doesn't mean I'm defending racial vitriol. The sort of person who sees a White woman married to a successful Black man whom she met at church - and who screams "Mud shark coal burner!" - is just a sad and pathetic human being, motivated by envy. Nobody wants to hang out with that loser.

But that's not what we're seeing here.

White woman fetishizes an impoverished Black man; Black man is sexually aggressive and manipulative with a White woman who's about to get married (is buying a woman an engagement ring under false pretenses "Game" now?). Black man exploits her financially before abandoning her, with revelations that he's been cheating on her since day one.

Are we, or are we not, allowed to notice that this is a recurrent pattern in today's society?

[debeguiled]

(08-27-2016 12:28 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 10:00 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

"Coal burning" is a term up there with "mud sharking" that is used exclusively by racists/white nationalists on places like Stormfront and 4chan's /pol/. "Yellow fever," for better or worse, has a much wider penetration into the general society and isn't used exclusively by hard core racists, therefore isn't comparable.

Hmm... I wonder why that is?

This is just speculation - feel free to disagree with me - but it fits the pattern of modern doublethink: "Big Brother is Ungood." Anything white and/or male can be criticized, but anything going in the opposite direction is verboten. In this case, Blacks and women are near the top of the privilege hierarchy, so "coal burning" is crime think because it criticizes both groups. Yellow fever, on the other hand, ridicules White men and Asian women, who are acceptable targets for ridicule.

So, are you telling the black members of the forum to check their privilege?

[BossOfBosses]

Isn't there not a no race bait thread rule on this forum?

[H1N1]

I'd normally avoid a thread like this like the plague, because nothing good comes from them. However, this forum is a wonderful place, and a significant amount of the value is contributed by black guys. I'd hate to see those guys leave or feel that they are seen as less, when their contributions stand alongside any others on their own merit.

I think it's important that this sort of crass behaviour is nipped in the bud. Whatever unspeakably degrading and wonderfully crass things you may appropriately say to a friend, who knows you for who you are and who will simply bust your balls in in kind, is fine in the context of a developed relationship. That is not what this forum is, and men who've contributed real value to our community should be respected. This kind of childish, and needlessly unpleasant terminology lessens our bonds, and gives credence to our enemies barbs. It leaves a bad taste, and is a singularly negative thing for the forum as a whole.

[Roosh]

Suspension for OP. Interracial pairings can be discussed without using slurs.

[Aurini]

(08-27-2016 12:53 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 12:28 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 10:00 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

"Coal burning" is a term up there with "mud sharking" that is used exclusively by racists/white nationalists on places like Stormfront and 4chan's /pol/. "Yellow fever," for better or worse, has a much wider penetration into the general society and isn't used exclusively by hard core racists, therefore isn't comparable.

Hmm... I wonder why that is?

This is just speculation - feel free to disagree with me - but it fits the pattern of modern doublethink: "Big Brother is Ungood." Anything white and/or male can be criticized, but anything going in the opposite direction is verboten. In this case, Blacks and women are near the top of the privilege hierarchy, so "coal burning" is crime think because it criticizes both groups. Yellow fever, on the other hand, ridicules White men and Asian women, who are acceptable targets for ridicule.

So, are you telling the black members of the forum to check their privilege?

I was explicitly criticizing the whole concept of privilege hierarchy. Your comment is in bad faith.

[Foolsgo1d]

Can't believe you guys are getting all wound-up from an article in The Mirror. Of all the things to go and read on the internet you go and read the fucking Mirror.

The equivalent of that is to go to Stormfront and post an article on how white Swedish women have it bad with social and domestic violence and put pictures of migrants to tip the frothing anger over the edge.

Its as if the author of the piece didn't want to be "seen as racist" but hey look a white girl getting fucked by a black man!

If you're used to British rags like many British members here you would immediately know what was coming by just looking at the headline.

[Enigma]

(08-27-2016 11:28 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

The same Trump supporting white guys who say they don't see race will go on about "the consequences" of "coal-burning" and the price of being a "mudshark" the next week, right before they tell you about how much they love Ben Carson, aren't racist, and have black friends (and then plan their next sexcation to Southeast Asia). The same Hillary-loving educated white girls will tell you all about tolerance and open-mindedness ("love is love!") before they automatically eliminate every black face from their dating profile without even a glance, in part because they know full well how the (equally left-leaning) men in their life would respond if they tried to "burn the coal" and in part because they're fucking hypocrites.

None of this is exclusive to white and black American relations though, nor is it limited to modern times.

Men of all cultures during all time periods have shunned their women from dating outside of their tribe. Men in Asia will literally call the girl a slut while you're standing right there. It's part of human nature.

We even had an African poster on the forum recently who celebrated the Tutsi's practice of only dating other Tutsi to preserve their bloodline. But I didn't see anyone calling him racist.

I agree that coal burning is a term that shouldn't be used on the forum, and that many of the posters here are too reactionary and take "race realism" too far. Lord knows I've gone to bat countless times for non-whites on this forum.

But at the same time, damn if I'm not tired of being called a racist simply for having an identity or doing the same things every other race does.

I actually had one of my closest friends from growing up post a HuffPost article on FB recently that basically said all whites are inherently racist and we need to learn to treat blacks better.

That legitimately hurt me, though my personality isn't usually one to admit that.

This is someone that used to be at my house everyday as kids, and that my parents not only treated with the utmost respect but as part of the family.

But according to one of Huffington Post's thousands of freelance bloggers, I'm a racist now. And he's someone who's well-educated and came from a decent background. Both he and his sister's have PhDs.

Their views are nothing compared to what many lower class blacks in America currently express about whites on a daily basis.

And don't even get me started on how many people consider me a racist just because of the candidate I support for president, someone who has been an icon in the hip hop community for years and yet is suddenly "literally Hitler" and apparently tarnishes everyone that associates with him.

Meanwhile people like Herschel Walker or Mike Tyson -- who talk about how generous and supportive Trump was towards them throughout difficult times in their life -- are greeted with an endless stream of "coon", "Uncle Tom", "house negro", etc. and have their character attacks and livelihood threatened ad infinitum.

Black people are harassed at work, shot in bar, etc. all for having an opinion. Yet it's Trump supporters who are supposedly the real racists.

On the other hand, notice how most of the Trump supporters on this forum support nationalism for Japan, nationalism for the Philippines, nationalism for Russia.

Yet god forbid we don't let millions of people illegally flood into the US. We all "owe" non-whites a "debt" for "slavery" and "colonialism" that we'll never be able to repay, regardless of the fact that this is all completely ahistorical when put into the proper perspective and relies on the retarded American version of race where the entire world is split up into white, black, Asian, Arab, and Latino, which completely falls apart under even the smallest of scrutiny.

I've lived in all-black hoods, white suburbs, and the third-world, smoked weed with Jamaican dope boys and talked politics with upper class Filipinos. I've seen firsthand who is living how and who is doing what. The okey-doke doesn't work on me.

If I can't even have an identity or express any concern for my own interests or the issues that affect me, you're right, we're not brothers. I respect you a lot as a poster, but if that's how you feel, that's how you feel.

Of course, all of the blacks and non-whites in this community and in general who don't want to hold me to an unequal standard because of something neither me nor my direct ancestors had anything to do with, or have me prostrate myself before them because of some esoteric "privilege" that I have no control of (nevermind that even blacks on welfare have a standard of living far surpassing the majority of human beings on Earth, regardless of color) -- we're good. I have nothing but love for those brothers who want to show me the same respect that I show them.

[debeguiled]

(08-27-2016 01:03 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 12:53 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 12:28 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 10:00 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

"Coal burning" is a term up there with "mud sharking" that is used exclusively by racists/white nationalists on places like Stormfront and 4chan's /pol/. "Yellow fever," for better or worse, has a much wider penetration into the general society and isn't used exclusively by hard core racists, therefore isn't comparable.

Hmm... I wonder why that is?

This is just speculation - feel free to disagree with me - but it fits the pattern of modern doublethink: "Big Brother is Ungood." Anything white and/or male can be criticized, but anything going in the opposite direction is verboten. In this case, Blacks and women are near the top of the privilege hierarchy, so "coal burning" is crime think because it criticizes both groups. Yellow fever, on the other hand, ridicules White men and Asian women, who are acceptable targets for ridicule.

So, are you telling the black members of the forum to check their privilege?

I was explicitly criticizing the whole concept of privilege hierarchy. Your comment is in bad faith.

Absolutely not. The issue here is race baiting in this forum.
Using a discussion between members about what is or is not appropriate on this forum as a jumping off point for discussing race in general is a better example of bad faith than my comment.

I was merely trying to point out, in a succinct way, that I thought you were picking an inappropriate time to paint white men as the ultimate victims.

If you are going to characterize a fair criticism of your position as bad faith, basically a veiled ad hominem, then discussion of the issue is pointless, and I am happy to move on to the What are You Listening to? thread.

[General Stalin]

(08-27-2016 02:39 AM)Lechon Wrote:  

Look at how this girl actually has great genes, especially for a British girl, yet is ruined by a downward spiral-society. Her only real structural facial flaw is her lumpy nose, that could be fixed by an easy nose job. She has a naturally athletic frame and shape, but her body and skin tone is dumpy from being overweight after too much junk food and not enough exercise, which is nothing compared to all the extra flab she'll carry 5-10 years from now. And her overall appearance is ruined by trashy tatoos.

In a traditional, functional, patriarchal society, she could stunning. A strict father who taught her to not screw around, sent her to proper physical and mental execise when she was a kid and teen, gave her proper eating habits and good values, and she could have been a 9. She could never be gifted, but she could be damn sexy. But a rotten tree produces rotten fruit.

This has to be one of the most delusion things I've read on this forum.

This female is hideous and was striking lucky with a man who actually loved her and could even afford to take her busted ass to a tropical resort and get her a rock. Then she throws it all away to fuck with some local player who, surprise surprise, played her. Article painting her as some sort of victim is absolutely laughable.

[BortimusPrime]

I think coal burner or mudshark are appropriate terms when describing a woman that's dating black guys for a degenerate reason, i.e. the man's race is the important part to her, not the man himself. Shock value, size queenery, or having license to gain 200 lbs all spring to mind.