Quote: (09-02-2016 02:26 AM)subterfuge Wrote:
Are there any books you can recommend that goes into more detail about the whole interactin so I can more easily 'test' ideas for a UK person who can only really meet girls at night? I'm guessing maybe that krauser guy?
regards
That's the thing though, no book gives you the whole script from start to finish
- see the girl
- step up
- get her attention
- open her with a canned or improvised opener - which can be verbal or nonverbal - and can be low energy/high energy - and can be direct or indirect
The books get you that far.
The chick either
- reacts well
- reacts poorly
- doesn't react
Then whatever style you're doing typically has some follow ups for those 3 cases.
But assuming she opens on the 3rd piece of value - what happens next is all the methods give you a basic road map. They don't tell you how and when to switch lanes, or to observe the traffic signals. It's expected for you to use your common sense about those things.
These books all expect basic socialization, and game is merely advanced socialization.
So if you don't have basic socialization, you're going to learn it by failing to observe it.
1 - Now that she's open, show more value, get her to invest.
2- when she invests, get her to invest more, before you show some approval
3 - then move her around the venue to build trust
4 - move her out of the venue to build trust
5 - get her home, and start the seduction sequence
I can tell you from experience, that a whole lot of conversation, glances, touches, silences, interruptions, other guys, her friends, the club staff - happens between each of these destinations.
No book can script out all the moments in between the steps. That's where your base level socialization - reading people and reading situations - develops over time.
Right now, from me, you should have learned
- my approach can make a girl girl grumpy by doing a formal introduction -
a) I'll never do a former introduction
b) I'll google for how to recover from a boring/bad introduction
- In this last fiasco, you pulled girls from the high energy dance floor, and then they eventually got bored.
a) I can pull girls off the dance floor
b) I have to do something so they're not bored. Whatever you were doing, was boring them
No one book is going to list every possible permutation of what might happen during a pick up attempt. Even if you read them all and organized them into a huge decision tree.
There's too many things to list and consider - so you have to lean back on your current knowledge of socialization - or learn it as you go.
It would probably help to daily read the thousands of interactions that guys are having with chicks on this site and others. Not memorizing them, but familiarizing yourself with how these things go.
"I message this chick on Tinder"
"she was being cheeky"
"I told her I have a big duck, and asked her if she wanted to see it. "
"then I sent her a pic of a rubber duck"
"now she totally wants to meet"
You're not going to necessarily remember that chicks get a lot of "dick" pics, and by saying "duck", you're actually playing off of this fact that the word duck looks a lot like dick and she's expecting the inevitable. And then she's surprised when she gets something novel. And you surprising her is the the thing that pushes her from neutral to positive.
But read enough of these, and if you have a playful style, then you start to get your own ideas on how to be playful, and that you can be playful.
If you have a more serious style, maybe it's a report about a guy using heavy eye contact, and then motioning with his head to come with. No words being spoken, but communication still.
The books give you the road map. Pick something you like.
But in the end, it's going to be you learning the ropes of socialization, and how you are perceived, how you change your image by changing your behavior which changes your results.
A lot of guys read, read, and read. But and they have these unhealthy expectations that the real interaction is going to look like the text book, where chicks fall on your dick.
That's not how it works.
The book points you, hopefully, in the right direction.
But you've got to do 95% of the work yourself.
If you don't some of the social cues and social context - you'll fail. And then you'll learn from your failure. Then you'll go back out again. Ideally, you communicate what you did, and your fellow travelers can help you spot the issues - but you're doing the heavy lifting in all of this.
WIA