[debeguiled]

(08-17-2016 11:44 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

I wasn't suspended for being argumentative but for using certain some not very nice words. I'm glad the food fight was moved. It was really annoying seeing all those pictures. How limited their lives must be that they limit themselves to ONE food/gastronomy. Guess they can't afford more styles...who knows?

No, you are right, strictly speaking this is not argumentative.

[Baldrich]

(08-17-2016 11:55 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 11:44 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

I wasn't suspended for being argumentative but for using certain some not very nice words. I'm glad the food fight was moved. It was really annoying seeing all those pictures. How limited their lives must be that they limit themselves to ONE food/gastronomy. Guess they can't afford more styles...who knows?

No, you are right, strictly speaking this is not argumentative.

Yes, yes I am argumentative. I love a good argument. But that was NOT the reason for my suspension. So I have opinions and love a challenging debate. How terrible!

[Going strong]

(08-17-2016 07:09 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 03:13 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 05:19 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Yes, exactly. If you are sociable enough in Spain, you can get away with mediocrity in what you offer. But if you are a, let's just say "eccentric" type...you will not be tolerated in most Spanish cities with the exception of Barcelona and parts of the Balearic islands.

Spain is all about shenanigans and doing nothing of real seriousness. If you try or are just very serious, people will call you out on it and tell you to "relax" or the ever ubiquitous "no pasa nada" - one of the phrases in Spanish I hate the most. Anytime something SERIOUS does happen, it's always a "no pasa nada", literally, "nothing happens" or "it doesn't matter, no big deal!"

Clearly, a business oriented mind cannot tolerate that. And if they do, they have to turn it into an advantage...which I do. For example, this means I can give a more mediocre service and get away with it since "no pasa nada".

Spanish people seem to think that they and only they know about their country. Even if you have been here for decades, they will still treat you as if though you arrived today. Obviously there are exceptions to all of this, and of course there are Spaniards who will rock your world (FEW AND FAR BETWEEN) but they do exist...and you have to make plenty of effort to find them.

As some Spanish people on here have already said, most Spaniards are very similar to each other and were brought up in nearly identical family/economic cultures.

There is a sort of inferiority complex that runs throughout the country...an insecurity of identity. So while they will tell you how great their food is, they will also subconsciously think your country (if it is an English speaking country especially) is in many ways better or more advanced (which of course it is). So in other areas they will grudgingly look up to you.

Quoting you:

"But if you are a, let's just say "eccentric" type...you will not be tolerated in most Spanish cities with the exception of Barcelona":

Translation: If you are a dirty-clad faggotish hipster liberal, a gay, a "colorful rasta", or a blue-haired lesbian, Spanish society will not like you at all. Ok. And, what is wrong with that, man? Much respect to the Spaniards for being red-pill and Conservatives... "Eccentric" types, as you put it, are welcome to live in NY and vote Hillary...

I can give a more mediocre service and get away with it since "no pasa nada". : So you criticize, and even kinda hate on, the Spaniards, but then you do just as they do, at the first opportunity.

Spanish people seem to think that they and only they know about their country. Even if you have been here for decades, they will still treat you as if though you arrived today.: it is true almost everywhere in the world, for all nations. You can live 20 years in Thailand, do local people will ever treat you as a local??

There is a sort of inferiority complex that runs throughout the country: in other posts, I seem to remember you described Spaniards as arrogant people. So, which one is it? Inferiority or superiority complex?

In any case, you criticize the "open racism" of Spaniards, but you yourself hardly hide your (obvious) xenophobic hatred of them...

And also, like a true "eccentric enlightened liberal", you seem to mistake Good Conservative Values for "bigotry and racism".

But anyway: I confirm: if you have no good, sound conservative values, then you'll feel bad in Spain. But no problem, you can always go live in Canada, Sweden or Bernie-leaning states.

Why do you limit the word "eccentric" to a faggotish hipster liberal? That's not eccentric AT ALL. That's actually a big bulk of the youth culture. So you're way off. In Spain though, anything that doesn't conform to HERD mentality, is considered eccentric...surely not the mark of an advanced country. Anything remotely unusual here, as in, oh, actually having this debate or dressing formally (because Spanish don't dress as stylishly as Italians or French, trust me) or speaking properly, will make you stand out and not in a good way.

Eat something other than Spanish food? Whhaaaaat?? How can YOU NOT like Spanish food??? bla bla. I mean we've even seen that bs on this thread, with people posting stupid pictures about how great the food is. Seriously, who cares about people's personal food tastes? Let's talk about serious things...or is that too eccentric and formal?

You can ask Spaniards who are "different" - watch how students react in class when some SPANISH person says they don't like ham or paella. "ARE YOU REALLY SPANISH" is asked. And these are not isolated incidents.

Spaniards red pill and conservative? You're joking right? Don't confuse being boring and sterile traditionalism with conservatism. This country has gay marriage, women are above men legally -- yes LEGALLY women are now a protected class, hate speech is banned, there is a gag law that would actually or most likely (if it were feasible) ban the roosh forum from Spain. You call that conservative? I call it fascism and socialism...they are very similar ideologies and I'm glad and proud I choose freedom and independence, which is the RIGHT way for a man, to be free, above Euro-fascism or euro-socialism.

Mediocre service: You don't get it. I am a businessman. Business here can do very well being mediocre. Customers don't demand quality. Take a look at the average private school or restaurant in Spain. So, a businessman needs to maximize opportunity. You call it dodgy, I call it good business sense and winning the argument.


Arrogance: They can be both. I agree with what Globalman has said. Too much arrogance is actually a sign you have an inferiority complex and try to compensate in other ways....hence the "OUR FOOD IS GREAT AND AMERICAN FOOD SUCKS!" syndrome but at the same time, getting more girls interested in me just because I come from the US. You get both here. There is no contradiction in what I have said.

You talk about immigrants on welfare in Spain. LOL. WHAT WELFARE? Spain has NO welfare, not even for its own people.

Can you name any special aid immigrants get here?

...
The fact is, Spain IS NOT PERFECT and it's not all fun and games. There are some seriously messed up things in this country and I think it is wise to point them out. It is no way compatible, culturally speaking, with Alpha-mentality and the sort of society that is ideal for ambitious men.

Above and at last, your analysis of Spain is subtle, and much more interesting than your first posts...So, I can agree on some points you're making above, like about the "HERD mentality" and systematically casual dressing.

Concerning welfare though, I cannot agree: I'm pretty sure that there is a small amount of money that the Spanish state gives to idle people, I think it's around 300 or 350 euros per month... I'm also pretty sure that Spain gives free housing (and free hospital care) to illegal-migrant families.

Anyway, about Spain: do you know that the prolesbian-communist-SJW-chavista mayor of Barcelona, Venezuela-funded Ada C, has 2 personal crusades: 1-destroy AirBnb. 2-Destroy Roosh.

She is failing and losing on both fronts, though.

[Baldrich]

(08-17-2016 12:26 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:09 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 03:13 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 05:19 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Yes, exactly. If you are sociable enough in Spain, you can get away with mediocrity in what you offer. But if you are a, let's just say "eccentric" type...you will not be tolerated in most Spanish cities with the exception of Barcelona and parts of the Balearic islands.

Spain is all about shenanigans and doing nothing of real seriousness. If you try or are just very serious, people will call you out on it and tell you to "relax" or the ever ubiquitous "no pasa nada" - one of the phrases in Spanish I hate the most. Anytime something SERIOUS does happen, it's always a "no pasa nada", literally, "nothing happens" or "it doesn't matter, no big deal!"

Clearly, a business oriented mind cannot tolerate that. And if they do, they have to turn it into an advantage...which I do. For example, this means I can give a more mediocre service and get away with it since "no pasa nada".

Spanish people seem to think that they and only they know about their country. Even if you have been here for decades, they will still treat you as if though you arrived today. Obviously there are exceptions to all of this, and of course there are Spaniards who will rock your world (FEW AND FAR BETWEEN) but they do exist...and you have to make plenty of effort to find them.

As some Spanish people on here have already said, most Spaniards are very similar to each other and were brought up in nearly identical family/economic cultures.

There is a sort of inferiority complex that runs throughout the country...an insecurity of identity. So while they will tell you how great their food is, they will also subconsciously think your country (if it is an English speaking country especially) is in many ways better or more advanced (which of course it is). So in other areas they will grudgingly look up to you.

Quoting you:

"But if you are a, let's just say "eccentric" type...you will not be tolerated in most Spanish cities with the exception of Barcelona":

Translation: If you are a dirty-clad faggotish hipster liberal, a gay, a "colorful rasta", or a blue-haired lesbian, Spanish society will not like you at all. Ok. And, what is wrong with that, man? Much respect to the Spaniards for being red-pill and Conservatives... "Eccentric" types, as you put it, are welcome to live in NY and vote Hillary...

I can give a more mediocre service and get away with it since "no pasa nada". : So you criticize, and even kinda hate on, the Spaniards, but then you do just as they do, at the first opportunity.

Spanish people seem to think that they and only they know about their country. Even if you have been here for decades, they will still treat you as if though you arrived today.: it is true almost everywhere in the world, for all nations. You can live 20 years in Thailand, do local people will ever treat you as a local??

There is a sort of inferiority complex that runs throughout the country: in other posts, I seem to remember you described Spaniards as arrogant people. So, which one is it? Inferiority or superiority complex?

In any case, you criticize the "open racism" of Spaniards, but you yourself hardly hide your (obvious) xenophobic hatred of them...

And also, like a true "eccentric enlightened liberal", you seem to mistake Good Conservative Values for "bigotry and racism".

But anyway: I confirm: if you have no good, sound conservative values, then you'll feel bad in Spain. But no problem, you can always go live in Canada, Sweden or Bernie-leaning states.

Why do you limit the word "eccentric" to a faggotish hipster liberal? That's not eccentric AT ALL. That's actually a big bulk of the youth culture. So you're way off. In Spain though, anything that doesn't conform to HERD mentality, is considered eccentric...surely not the mark of an advanced country. Anything remotely unusual here, as in, oh, actually having this debate or dressing formally (because Spanish don't dress as stylishly as Italians or French, trust me) or speaking properly, will make you stand out and not in a good way.

Eat something other than Spanish food? Whhaaaaat?? How can YOU NOT like Spanish food??? bla bla. I mean we've even seen that bs on this thread, with people posting stupid pictures about how great the food is. Seriously, who cares about people's personal food tastes? Let's talk about serious things...or is that too eccentric and formal?

You can ask Spaniards who are "different" - watch how students react in class when some SPANISH person says they don't like ham or paella. "ARE YOU REALLY SPANISH" is asked. And these are not isolated incidents.

Spaniards red pill and conservative? You're joking right? Don't confuse being boring and sterile traditionalism with conservatism. This country has gay marriage, women are above men legally -- yes LEGALLY women are now a protected class, hate speech is banned, there is a gag law that would actually or most likely (if it were feasible) ban the roosh forum from Spain. You call that conservative? I call it fascism and socialism...they are very similar ideologies and I'm glad and proud I choose freedom and independence, which is the RIGHT way for a man, to be free, above Euro-fascism or euro-socialism.

Mediocre service: You don't get it. I am a businessman. Business here can do very well being mediocre. Customers don't demand quality. Take a look at the average private school or restaurant in Spain. So, a businessman needs to maximize opportunity. You call it dodgy, I call it good business sense and winning the argument.


Arrogance: They can be both. I agree with what Globalman has said. Too much arrogance is actually a sign you have an inferiority complex and try to compensate in other ways....hence the "OUR FOOD IS GREAT AND AMERICAN FOOD SUCKS!" syndrome but at the same time, getting more girls interested in me just because I come from the US. You get both here. There is no contradiction in what I have said.

You talk about immigrants on welfare in Spain. LOL. WHAT WELFARE? Spain has NO welfare, not even for its own people.

Can you name any special aid immigrants get here?

...
The fact is, Spain IS NOT PERFECT and it's not all fun and games. There are some seriously messed up things in this country and I think it is wise to point them out. It is no way compatible, culturally speaking, with Alpha-mentality and the sort of society that is ideal for ambitious men.

Above and at last, your analysis of Spain is subtle, and much more interesting than your first posts...So, I can agree on some points you're making above, like about the "HERD mentality" and systematically casual dressing.

Concerning welfare though, I cannot agree: I'm pretty sure that there is a small amount of money that the Spanish state gives to idle people, I think it's around 300 or 350 euros per month... I'm also pretty sure that Spain gives free housing (and free hospital care) to illegal-migrant families.

Anyway, about Spain: do you know that the prolesbian-communist-SJW-chavista mayor of Barcelona, Venezuela-funded Ada C, has 2 personal crusades: 1-destroy AirBnb. 2-Destroy Roosh.

She is failing and losing on both fronts, though.

First, there is no national welfare program for immigrants. You are referring to the refugee issue - that money though comes from the EU and Spaniards LOVE the EU. So they are hardly "conservative". If Spaniards were truly conservative they would not tolerate this.

Most people who are unemployed here live off their "papi and mami". It is that bad. You see grown men, well into their 30s, living at home and leeching off their parents. Immigrants? Not really. In many cases they work much harder than the Spanish and are sometimes even more qualified (as is the case with Eastern Europeans who many times speak more languages and have better academic backgrounds).

There is NO free housing here for immigrants - some autonomous communities have protected housing mostly for Gypsies, not immigrants. In fact, that's why so many Spaniards are obsessed with buying a home...because when they get old, they will have no other asset and there is no such thing as senior citizen housing here except homes (residencias de ancianos) which are actually mostly private.

If someone were interested in welfare, Spain would be the last country on his mind. The Syrian refugees have themselves emphatically stated that they do NOT want to come to Spain because they know how bad it would be for them here in terms of opportunities, mediocre schooling, etc.

Re: Ada Colau in Barcelona. She is absolutely repulsive. And there are many women like her in this country...enough to make her win elections. I'm glad she's losing those battles though. Roosh would definitely be banned in liberty-hating Spain.

Dressing: yep, it's systematic. You walk around the streets and see guys dressed like slobs - short shorts, flip flops, tattoos all over, just as badly dressed as the average American. I dress with blazers or classical clothes all the time and that definitely makes you stand out.

[Going strong]

(08-17-2016 12:40 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Re: Ada Colau in Barcelona. She is absolutely repulsive. And there are many women like her in this country...enough to make her win elections. I'm glad she's losing those battles though. Roosh would definitely be banned in liberty-hating Spain.

Dressing: yep, it's systematic. You walk around the streets and see guys dressed like slobs - short shorts, flip flops, tattoos all over, just as badly dressed as the average American. I dress with blazers or classical clothes all the time and that definitely makes you stand out.

I agree on the 2 paragraphs above... even though I'd like to point out the fact that Roosh has been denounced and banned by extreme-leftist mayor Ada C, but, good conservative PM Mariano Rajoy himself never entered the witch-hunt against Roosh... So, one might say, it's Barcelona that's currently "liberty-hating", not Spain as a whole.

[Baldrich]

(08-17-2016 06:01 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 12:40 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Re: Ada Colau in Barcelona. She is absolutely repulsive. And there are many women like her in this country...enough to make her win elections. I'm glad she's losing those battles though. Roosh would definitely be banned in liberty-hating Spain.

Dressing: yep, it's systematic. You walk around the streets and see guys dressed like slobs - short shorts, flip flops, tattoos all over, just as badly dressed as the average American. I dress with blazers or classical clothes all the time and that definitely makes you stand out.

I agree on the 2 paragraphs above... even though I'd like to point out the fact that Roosh has been denounced and banned by extreme-leftist mayor Ada C, but, good conservative PM Mariano Rajoy himself never entered the witch-hunt against Roosh... So, one might say, it's Barcelona that's currently "liberty-hating", not Spain as a whole.

C'mon! There is NOTHING "good" or "conservative" about Rajoy. He is the epitome of everything wrong in Spain: lackluster, lost the elections twice before and the people still supported him, a privileged background but extremely ignorant on foreign and national affairs (As I've found most upper class Spaniards are. In fact, the wealthier the Spaniard, the more incompetent in my experience) no personality, NO IDEAS and certainly not "Conservative" if by that you mean liberty-loving. Rajoy never gets into any debate, let alone this. He is an absolute coward and all Spanish people who think for themselves know this. When push came to shove however, Rajoy would certainly ban Roosh if asked. Have you seen the Spanish "anti-sexist" law he approved?

Read it:

http://nomasvg.com/opinion/la-apologia-d...igo-penal/

Simply even defending "sexism" can get you jail time in Spain. What kind of Conservative would ever approve that?

Also Spain is heavily into debt, thanks to Rajoy's LIES. Rajoy lies and lies and lies, has a corrupt government and people just accept it. So don't tell me Rajoy is Conservative or, "good". He is anything but. He's a fraud, and a puppet of Brussels...but that's how the Spanish like it.

And the debate came up in Barcelona because Barcelona is the city in Spain where the most interesting debates take place, so it is only logical that this came up there. Much of the rest of Spain couldn't even be bothered to read a book on anything or even know that this forum exists.

[Going strong]

Rajoy bucking the unemployment-rate trends:



Aznar, conservative right-wing leader: unemployment goes down from 20% to 10%.

Zapatero, left-wing SJW: unemployment jumps from 10% to 25%.

Rajoy, conservative center-right-wing leader: unemployment goes down from 25% to 20%.

[Baldrich]

(08-17-2016 07:10 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Rajoy bucking the unemployment-rate trends:



Aznar, conservative right-wing leader: unemployment goes down from 20% to 10%.

Zapatero, left-wing SJW: unemployment jumps from 10% to 25%.

Rajoy, conservative center-right-wing leader: unemployment goes down from 25% to 20%.

Because most people have:

a) either stopped looking for work altogether or b) EMIGRATED. No one who wants to really work stays in Spain.

Also, Aznar created lots of crap temporary jobs and opened the floodgates to massive immigration.

Rajoy, again, he's not "right-wing". Even Obama by comparison looks like Churchill next to that loser.

Hardly the work of a Conservative government:

http://www.elconfidencial.com/economia/2...o_1247745/

Spain won't be fined unfortunately, even though they deserve it for not sticking with the promised deficit targets. But of course, Brussels is terrified the EU house of cards will come tumbling down.

Also, this lower unemployment you are seeing is seasonal, because lots of tourist jobs open in Summer. Come back to me at the end of September and watch how unemployment spikes back up to previous levels. There is no hope for Spain.

[Sp5]

Great discussion. Even though I agree with a lot of Baldrich's criticisms of Spanish society, he should think twice before leaving.

First, the issue of whether Spain is a good place for an "Alpha" entrepreneurial attitiude. From Baldrich's own descriptions it sounds pretty good. You're surrounded by lazier people, great. Weak enforcement of rules, plenty of loopholes, great. He's got a business carved out. The Alpha mentality is internal, why not take the opportunity to establish a franchise, build an empire, branch out into other areas like TESOL publishing, or something else? Wolf among sheep. What other people do makes no difference, as long as they provide a market for what you're providing.

Second, I was relieved not to have to deal with guys trying to be hyper macho and AMOG the world. To be able to go to a crowded venue with people getting drunk and nobody getting asshole on you or fights breaking out is a relief.

Spanish men are pretty respectful to each other and to me as a foreigner. There's none of that edge of having to prove yourself as a badass or in social status, maybe because of the general lack of ambition or more formal manners. There is more social equality between classes, and the guy with the lower status job is more up own his own culture and traditions. The lower class in the USA is just beat down and cut off from its cultural roots. Maybe because of this, they are more ill-mannered and dangerous. In Spain you might have to worry about Gitanos a little.

Spain has preserved masculine space. It's obvious in public places like bars and in the many clubs. Guys hang out together.

My observation in my time there was that police were less intrusive and more hands off than in the USA. Try having a free beach concert and sell and buy cans of beer on the street anywhere in the USA. The Guardia Civil have a reputation for being tough, but apart from the Traffic Division, you're not likely to encounter them in a city.

Third, cost of living delivers highest quality of life at lowest cost of any place I've been factoring in weather, food, safety, social life.

I hope we get a follow up report when you move to a moderately or more prosperous city in the USA and have to pay $2000 a month for a 1br but have to worry about break-ins and mugging on the subway.

Fourth, on the issue of Spanish politics, as Baldrich said, don't let your knee jerk to think that the "conservative" Partido Popular has any value. They are known for massive corruption and lies. For example, they sold off hundreds of units of public housing in Madrid to Blackrock hedge fund for cents on the euro - and the PP mayor's son worked for Blackrock.

Watching the Spanish government negotations has been a lesson in poise and body language. Out of the four major parties, the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics, Rajoy is ok, cool as hell, but the other two Sanchez and Rivera just don't make it.

[Going strong]

(08-18-2016 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

....the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics

I can't agree (even though 80% of your above post is quite very true), about la-coleta: I think he acts and looks exactly what he is: a weak SJW, a mere caribbeo-venezuelan-bought treacherous puppet. Well, as Clint would put it, a total pussy, and a punk.

Compare, real men (hispano or anglo, doesn't matter):


with your "alpha-looking" Venezuelan-spy punk, la-coleta podemos:


For those who don't know, the hairy "eccentric" SJW thing above is the leader of leftists in Spain, and he's directly funded by a (illegal migrant's son) fanatical Caribbean dictator currently starving the desperate people of Venezuela.

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Great discussion. Even though I agree with a lot of Baldrich's criticisms of Spanish society, he should think twice before leaving.

First, the issue of whether Spain is a good place for an "Alpha" entrepreneurial attitiude. From Baldrich's own descriptions it sounds pretty good. You're surrounded by lazier people, great. Weak enforcement of rules, plenty of loopholes, great. He's got a business carved out. The Alpha mentality is internal, why not take the opportunity to establish a franchise, build an empire, branch out into other areas like TESOL publishing, or something else? Wolf among sheep. What other people do makes no difference, as long as they provide a market for what you're providing.

Second, I was relieved not to have to deal with guys trying to be hyper macho and AMOG the world. To be able to go to a crowded venue with people getting drunk and nobody getting asshole on you or fights breaking out is a relief.

Spanish men are pretty respectful to each other and to me as a foreigner. There's none of that edge of having to prove yourself as a badass or in social status, maybe because of the general lack of ambition or more formal manners. There is more social equality between classes, and the guy with the lower status job is more up own his own culture and traditions. The lower class in the USA is just beat down and cut off from its cultural roots. Maybe because of this, they are more ill-mannered and dangerous. In Spain you might have to worry about Gitanos a little.

Spain has preserved masculine space. It's obvious in public places like bars and in the many clubs. Guys hang out together.

My observation in my time there was that police were less intrusive and more hands off than in the USA. Try having a free beach concert and sell and buy cans of beer on the street anywhere in the USA. The Guardia Civil have a reputation for being tough, but apart from the Traffic Division, you're not likely to encounter them in a city.

Third, cost of living delivers highest quality of life at lowest cost of any place I've been factoring in weather, food, safety, social life.

I hope we get a follow up report when you move to a moderately or more prosperous city in the USA and have to pay $2000 a month for a 1br but have to worry about break-ins and mugging on the subway.

Fourth, on the issue of Spanish politics, as Baldrich said, don't let your knee jerk to think that the "conservative" Partido Popular has any value. They are known for massive corruption and lies. For example, they sold off hundreds of units of public housing in Madrid to Blackrock hedge fund for cents on the euro - and the PP mayor's son worked for Blackrock.

Watching the Spanish government negotations has been a lesson in poise and body language. Out of the four major parties, the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics, Rajoy is ok, cool as hell, but the other two Sanchez and Rivera just don't make it.

Re: Market. It's much easier -- and you can be quite successful just by establishing your own business through word of mouth without the need for a franchise. So in that sense, yes, Spain is ok DEPENDING on what you offer. It just so happens that what I offer is almost virtually unheard of (the combination of classes I offer so it's been pretty good thus far). When it comes to publishing though you need more connections and it's not worth the hassle. There are already plenty of TESOL materials and my focus isn't TESOL anyway.

Here I've grown my business but don't really like what I do and it does reach an invisible ceiling where you just sort of get bored. As I said, it's good if you are doing a brief stint here but not a lifestyle choice of career for me. I thrive on more pressured, hectic environments...not in this "no pasa nada" land.

Cost of living + quality of life: hands down unbeatable. I don't think there is any other country in the world where you can just easily walk out of your apartment at whatever time, be safe, and able to have a beer until VERY VERY late. Only New York offers that without the good weather or prices. So I definitely agree that life here is very good for cheap IF that is all you care about. I mean just yesterday I had 20 euros with me and bought: 1 liter of freshly squeezed orange juice, 1 bottle of beer, 2 pizzas (frozen), and salmon (juicy and tender) all for 9 euros. There are bars and cafés on literally every single street and Spain has more bars than the entire United States. So I would never argue that the US is better in these things because it isn't and we don't have a bar culture where people just hang out and chat like they do here.

Men: Actually, that's why I think Spanish men are wimps. Yes, they may not be assholes like you get in the US, but that's also part of the symptom of the malaise of Spain. The reason you won't get any confrontational guys here is because they don't have the balls to defend (or care to) defend anything. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've gotten into a heated debate and when those guys see me owning the debate, they crash their drinks against my pint or cup and say "somos amigos eh!?" as in they are getting really nervous when I get confrontational.

The whole reason why you see men being so nice here is that they are in fact very feminine relative to US or British standards (like the French or Italians). I mean, let's face it..sorry if this bothers people but a lot of Spanish guys would look like queers in many American towns. Have you seen the little glasses they drink from? The "caña" glasses for the beer...and yes, they are not confrontational and can't defend anything if their lives depended on it. Most of them wouldn't even be able to handle a simple handgun.

Also, one of the other reasons for that is that here there is something known as "buen rollo" which I despise. "Buen rollo" roughly translates as "DON'T ROCK THE BOAT!" Spanish people get REALLY nervous if you make a scene, even if you are right. You're right - you will never see a Spanish guy saying something like "what the f are you looking at you queer"? But they are just terrified of rocking the boat.

Another really revealing thing about them, which speaks volumes of the country, is that you will NEVER IN YOUR LIFE see a young Spanish guy alone in a bar. They are too scared of doing anything alone. I go to bars by myself here all the time and everyone knows I can't be Spanish because of that simple fact. And of course, you would be even more hard pressed to find a young Spanish gal alone in any public place. I am always amazed at how Spanish men can't seem to have balls to do anything alone. It's exasperating and then it gets to be just simply annoying. Sorry, but Spain just doesn't cut it for me at this point.

[Sp5]

(08-18-2016 05:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

....the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics

I can't agree (even though 80% of your above post is quite very true), about la-coleta: I think he acts and looks exactly what he is: a weak SJW, a mere caribbeo-venezuelan-bought treacherous puppet. Well, as Clint would put it, a total pussy, and a punk.

Compare, real men (hispano or anglo, doesn't matter):


with your "alpha-looking" Venezuelan-spy punk, la-coleta podemos:


For those who don't know, the hairy "eccentric" SJW thing above is the leader of leftists in Spain, and he's directly funded by a (illegal migrant's son) fanatical Caribbean dictator currently starving the desperate people of Venezuela.

I got the impression from watching him in the debates and on the news for months with King Felipe, Pedro Sanchez, etc. It's about movement, way he crosses his legs, swagger when he walks. He radiates IDGAF.

It's not about his politics, it's about his game. It's about how he handles himself on camera.

Here's an example, when a grandmother PP congresswoman went to attack him in what looks like a set-up from the number of cameras around. Stayed cool, amused mastery.

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 06:12 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

....the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics

I can't agree (even though 80% of your above post is quite very true), about la-coleta: I think he acts and looks exactly what he is: a weak SJW, a mere caribbeo-venezuelan-bought treacherous puppet. Well, as Clint would put it, a total pussy, and a punk.

Compare, real men (hispano or anglo, doesn't matter):


with your "alpha-looking" Venezuelan-spy punk, la-coleta podemos:


For those who don't know, the hairy "eccentric" SJW thing above is the leader of leftists in Spain, and he's directly funded by a (illegal migrant's son) fanatical Caribbean dictator currently starving the desperate people of Venezuela.

I got the impression from watching him in the debates and on the news for months with King Felipe, Pedro Sanchez, etc. It's about movement, way he crosses his legs, swagger when he walks. He radiates IDGAF.

It's not about his politics, it's about his game. It's about how he handles himself on camera.

Here's an example, when a grandmother PP congresswoman went to attack him in what looks like a set-up from the number of cameras around. Stayed cool, amused mastery.

Coletas? LOL. He's an idiot and as beta as they come. Not respectable or manly at all and his followers are just mainly "perroflautas" -- eg: crusty SJW wimps.

[Sp5]

I think you guys are conflating politics with personal qualities. Iglesias started a mass movement that became the second largest party in Spain. That is leadership. You don't get there without Alpha qualities.

Sure they have small beer glasses, they also have larger ones, the tubo, pinta or tanque. Back in the old days in the USA, they served beer in small glasses in workingmens' bars. I remember the 10 cent draft in a 10 oz tumbler. Not really an index of masculinity.

I would say bullfighting more of an index - you are against it, but I see it as a theater of death in which the bull and the bullfighter confront existential reality. Primitive, yeah, but a masculine pursuit (despite a couple of women breaking into it in the past). Yes, the bull suffers but has a great life up to that point, much better than castrated feedlot steers. The matador runs big risks, one just died a few weeks ago.

The Spanish also maintain a proud military tradition.

I understand, sometimes you just have to move on, change your surroundings.

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 06:41 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I think you guys are conflating politics with personal qualities. Iglesias started a mass movement that became the second largest party in Spain. That is leadership. You don't get there without Alpha qualities.

Sure they have small beer glasses, they also have larger ones, the tubo, pinta or tanque. Back in the old days in the USA, they served beer in small glasses in workingmens' bars. I remember the 10 cent draft in a 10 oz tumbler. Not really an index of masculinity.

I would say bullfighting more of an index - you are against it, but I see it as a theater of death in which the bull and the bullfighter confront existential reality. Primitive, yeah, but a masculine pursuit (despite a couple of women breaking into it in the past). Yes, the bull suffers but has a great life up to that point, much better than castrated feedlot steers. The matador runs big risks, one just died a few weeks ago.

The Spanish also maintain a proud military tradition.

I understand, sometimes you just have to move on, change your surroundings.

Iglesias didn't build anything that wasn't already there - he simply became the mouthpiece for a failed movement doomed from the start. I remember years ago when the first tents went up in Madrid because I LIVED it and said from the beginning that it was a failed movement or that it would fail because I know the Spanish people well. They make a noise about everything, fury lasts a couple of days and then nothing happens and everything goes back to the way it was with no progress. Spanish never finish what they start.

Iglesias has also caved on numerous occasions and when confronted, he is as cowardly as they come.

RE: Small glasses. Sure, but when you at least LOOK masculine, the size of the glass won't matter too much...but if you mix it with how young Spanish generally look, you'd be forgiven for thinking you were in some fully gay country. In fact, Spain is the number one destination for gays -- it is the world's MOST gay-friendly country:

http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandcultu...poll-finds

I'm not surprised.

Military? The Spanish military is a joke these days and most young Spaniards frown upon the military and even putting up the national flag will get you called fascist in Spain.

Bullfighting: torturing an animal is not manly, it is cowardly and one of the most repulsive "cultural" elements this country has. It will eventually be banned.

I can see that if you are retired, you would love Spain. Stable (but very boring) convenient, cheap, sunny.

[Rocha]

I think OP loves Spain and does not want that other rvf'ers to spoil his pussy paradise.)))

Now seriously, what would be really interesting for me is to know where and how do you get all those french and northern european girls in Spain, and if are they tourists, students, expats...etc. I would say 95% or more of your participation here is a bashing of Spain, its people and its culture (not saying you are wrong or right). You could try to at least elaborate a bit on the good aspects.

It would be fun at least for me that if instead moving to the US you moved to Germany or Sweden and then started a similar thread using your excellent debating and argumentative skills to deconstruct, bash and destroy on those countries, wich are much more insane than Spain will ever be.

[dispenser]

@Sp5
To judge from the video, he's lightweight alpha, more of a fox than a lion.
He leans in too much, blinks too much, but seems to keep his cool, and evades with humour.

@Baldrich

Quote:

Military? The Spanish military is a joke these days and most young Spaniards frown upon the military and even putting up the national flag will get you called fascist in Spain.

I don't like leftist shenanigans, but considering they had a fascist military dictatorship within living memory, that isn't completely hypersensitive of them.

Quote:

Bullfighting: torturing an animal is not manly, it is cowardly and one of the most repulsive "cultural" elements this country has. It will eventually be banned.

Pff. That's vegetarian talk.

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 08:09 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

I think OP loves Spain and does not want that other rvf'ers to spoil his pussy paradise.)))

Now seriously, what would be really interesting for me is to know where and how do you get all those french and northern european girls in Spain, and if are they tourists, students, expats...etc. I would say 95% or more of your participation here is a bashing of Spain, its people and its culture (not saying you are wrong or right). You could try to at least elaborate a bit on the good aspects.

It would be fun at least for me that if instead moving to the US you moved to Germany or Sweden and then started a similar thread using your excellent debating and argumentative skills to deconstruct, bash and destroy on those countries, wich are much more insane than Spain will ever be.

Why elaborate on the good aspects so much when there are hundreds of positive posts already to that effect? It seems to be the trend these days that any critical voice is immediately seen as something out of hell. And I have said PLENTY of positive things about Spain and will do so at some other point when it is relevant.

Then you say I "bash" the people. Is it "to bash" them when I say that they should improve and don't? Is it to "bash" them when I tell people that the quality of life is good here? I am determined, yes, to give Spain uncut. What is mind boggling to me is how people ONLY seem to get upset if Spain is criticized. I mean here on roosh there are literally hundreds of posts criticizing Americans or the UK or, as you have just done, the Nordic and/or Scandinavian countries. You don't see Americans going batshit insane if legitimate aspects of the country are criticized.

With regard to the women...oh, it's VERY easy to hook up with foreign women here and there are plenty. I meet them at all sorts of events and even hire some for teaching. In Barcelona, you can easily go for a weekend and meet LOTS of foreign women, ranging from students to wealthy types who simply are here a couple of months for the weather.

In Valencia too - there is a place called "La Bolseria" and plenty of nice looking women there from all over and if you're a guy with purchasing power, have a good level of education and are remotely interesting, then of course you can hook up. Spain also has tinder...but again most Spanish women in smaller cities won't be too keen on using it...since naming and shaming is still huge in Spain.

So I much prefer Swedish girls or other similar countries. Why waste my time spending months trying to convince some Spanish witch about how great she is (when she probably isn't) just to MAYBE get a bang? No need for that. Why go through all that when I can get a bang in one day from a much nicer looking girl from Sweden or Denmark or Ireland, Scotland, even France or Russia?

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 08:22 AM)dispenser Wrote:  

@Sp5
To judge from the video, he's lightweight alpha, more of a fox than a lion.
He leans in too much, blinks too much, but seems to keep his cool, and evades with humour.

@Baldrich

Quote:

Military? The Spanish military is a joke these days and most young Spaniards frown upon the military and even putting up the national flag will get you called fascist in Spain.

I don't like leftist shenanigans, but considering they had a fascist military dictatorship within living memory, that isn't completely hypersensitive of them.

Quote:

Bullfighting: torturing an animal is not manly, it is cowardly and one of the most repulsive "cultural" elements this country has. It will eventually be banned.

Pff. That's vegetarian talk.

I'm not a vegetarian, I just don't like unnecessary ancient or medieval cruelty.

Oh I totally agree about the military and what you are saying...but was simply responding about the "military tradition" comment. Spain has no real hope of being a leader in anything except "fiesta y siesta" and cocaine use.

http://www.thelocal.es/20131105/what-spa...ocaine-use

[Going strong]

(08-18-2016 08:09 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

I think OP loves Spain and does not want that other rvf'ers to spoil his pussy paradise.)))

Now seriously, what would be really interesting for me is to know where and how do you get all those french and northern european girls in Spain, and if are they tourists, students, expats...etc.

northern european, Brit girls in Spain?

Try Magaluf, kind of a paradise if you are yourself under 28 years old, because it is full of 20 years old half-drunk and DTF blonde European chicks. And the sea and beach actually are great, there, too... But, as age-gap is frowned upon in Western Europe, Magaluf is not for you if you are 30 y.o.

And anyway, if you are over 35 (and no millionaire), you might as well forget about Magaluf, Spain... and the whole of Western Europe (unless you like oldish MILFs).

[Going strong]

(08-18-2016 08:34 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

Bullfighting: torturing an animal is not manly, it is cowardly and one of the most repulsive "cultural" elements this country has. It will eventually be banned.

I'm not a vegetarian, I just don't like unnecessary ancient or medieval cruelty.

Bullfighting, corrida de toros, is necessary.

Necessary to remind modern young men that life is about fighting, drawing blood, showing bravery, and spitting in the face of SJWs.

[Bycicleguy]

(08-18-2016 08:32 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 08:09 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

I think OP loves Spain and does not want that other rvf'ers to spoil his pussy paradise.)))

Now seriously, what would be really interesting for me is to know where and how do you get all those french and northern european girls in Spain, and if are they tourists, students, expats...etc. I would say 95% or more of your participation here is a bashing of Spain, its people and its culture (not saying you are wrong or right). You could try to at least elaborate a bit on the good aspects.

It would be fun at least for me that if instead moving to the US you moved to Germany or Sweden and then started a similar thread using your excellent debating and argumentative skills to deconstruct, bash and destroy on those countries, wich are much more insane than Spain will ever be.

With regard to the women...oh, it's VERY easy to hook up with foreign women here and there are plenty. I meet them at all sorts of events and even hire some for teaching. In Barcelona, you can easily go for a weekend and meet LOTS of foreign women, ranging from students to wealthy types who simply are here a couple of months for the weather.

I understand where are you coming from, I spent some time in Italy and Argentina, and met tons of spanish students. The mediterranean mindset is very conformist, they have no consistency at all, everytime I talked to them about starting a project and tell me about my future plans of having my own business most would look me as if I was crazy, those who where interested and asked me to be part of it would slack in less than a week.

They hangout with their same childhood friends. Girls rather to date broke below average guys that belong to their social circles before dating outside it. Hell even the international students have fame for hanging almost exclusively with their kind, you go to an student party outside Spain and you tend to see the groups of spanish people on their own. I have heard that in Madrid is somekind different, no idea, it is true that you can have ONS in Buenos Aires if you put a big effort also.

Even thought all this, I have ben thinking about moving to Spain, life outside Barcelona and Madrid seems to be really cheap for a country with such a good lifestyle my only reason to not do it is the girls, I don't like their princess attitude and you have to spend lot of time playing the social circle game with their friends until they decide it is ok the give you her pussy as prize, they have this annoying smoker masculine voices also. Two recent stories with spanish girls:

There is a party on my friends house, I see a group of girls a couple of them are smoking hot, the others two are a little chubby. I noticed they have not talked to almost anyone else and are just there with their "i'm so cool" faces. One of them has the router on her hands while talking to her friends, the router was on a chair and apparently somebody took it, I went to her to tell her there is another chair where she can put it, inmediately just after I open my mouth, another manly chubby girl jumps and yells at me "leave her alone, she will dance with you later, she is resting now". Whatever, enjoy keeping the house stuff safe.

I'm with a hungarian friend, in a faculty exchange students party, he approaches a couple of them and starts rambling about how happy he is to find spanish speakers, they ask him a couple of questions, I didn't feel the conversation was clicking so I went for a beer, when I came back they got bored and where leaving, then they told him looking at each other with a smile "Keep practicing your spanish.... but practice it between yourselves" (like please don't annoy girls lowly gringo) and then went laughing " My friend couldn't understand that they where insulting him and he was praising them by being so nice...

Both this scenarios happened in international parties, then you go and talk to a mexican or an american girl and feel like is like you are on another dimension, not even the rejections where so rude.

I see you recommend Valencia, I have read in a couple of datasheets that it attracts tons of international students, I think Barcelona would be probably the best gaming city in Spain due to the massive influx of foreigners, you can probably approach a lot of tourists during the day, not sure if Valencia has enough numbers, I mean I lived in a small student town for a while and couldn't do direct daygame easily for example since the foreign scene was very small, it ended being a social circle game also.

[pancakemouse]

(08-18-2016 06:12 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

....the leftist Podemos leader Iglesias "La Coleta" (ponytail) has admirable swagger and posture, looks like a real Alpha dog despite his politics

I can't agree (even though 80% of your above post is quite very true), about la-coleta: I think he acts and looks exactly what he is: a weak SJW, a mere caribbeo-venezuelan-bought treacherous puppet. Well, as Clint would put it, a total pussy, and a punk.

Compare, real men (hispano or anglo, doesn't matter):


with your "alpha-looking" Venezuelan-spy punk, la-coleta podemos:


For those who don't know, the hairy "eccentric" SJW thing above is the leader of leftists in Spain, and he's directly funded by a (illegal migrant's son) fanatical Caribbean dictator currently starving the desperate people of Venezuela.

I got the impression from watching him in the debates and on the news for months with King Felipe, Pedro Sanchez, etc. It's about movement, way he crosses his legs, swagger when he walks. He radiates IDGAF.

It's not about his politics, it's about his game. It's about how he handles himself on camera.

Here's an example, when a grandmother PP congresswoman went to attack him in what looks like a set-up from the number of cameras around. Stayed cool, amused mastery.

Christ, that video reminds me of what I hated most about Spain. No one listens when you state your opinion. No one. They just interrupt you as you're making your point and talk nonsense back at you.

In Spain, the person who talks loudest and fastest wins the argument. There is no rationality, no logic.

Lived there for two years. I will never return.

[nomadbrah]

All is an interesting discussion, but how does it all relate to meeting spanish girls. I get the impression night game solo or with one or two friends would be difficult if not part of spanish mixed group?

[Baldrich]

(08-18-2016 12:24 PM)Bycicleguy Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 08:32 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 08:09 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

I think OP loves Spain and does not want that other rvf'ers to spoil his pussy paradise.)))

Now seriously, what would be really interesting for me is to know where and how do you get all those french and northern european girls in Spain, and if are they tourists, students, expats...etc. I would say 95% or more of your participation here is a bashing of Spain, its people and its culture (not saying you are wrong or right). You could try to at least elaborate a bit on the good aspects.

It would be fun at least for me that if instead moving to the US you moved to Germany or Sweden and then started a similar thread using your excellent debating and argumentative skills to deconstruct, bash and destroy on those countries, wich are much more insane than Spain will ever be.

With regard to the women...oh, it's VERY easy to hook up with foreign women here and there are plenty. I meet them at all sorts of events and even hire some for teaching. In Barcelona, you can easily go for a weekend and meet LOTS of foreign women, ranging from students to wealthy types who simply are here a couple of months for the weather.

I understand where are you coming from, I spent some time in Italy and Argentina, and met tons of spanish students. The mediterranean mindset is very conformist, they have no consistency at all, everytime I talked to them about starting a project and tell me about my future plans of having my own business most would look me as if I was crazy, those who where interested and asked me to be part of it would slack in less than a week.

They hangout with their same childhood friends. Girls rather to date broke below average guys that belong to their social circles before dating outside it. Hell even the international students have fame for hanging almost exclusively with their kind, you go to an student party outside Spain and you tend to see the groups of spanish people on their own. I have heard that in Madrid is somekind different, no idea, it is true that you can have ONS in Buenos Aires if you put a big effort also.

Even thought all this, I have ben thinking about moving to Spain, life outside Barcelona and Madrid seems to be really cheap for a country with such a good lifestyle my only reason to not do it is the girls, I don't like their princess attitude and you have to spend lot of time playing the social circle game with their friends until they decide it is ok the give you her pussy as prize, they have this annoying smoker masculine voices also. Two recent stories with spanish girls:

There is a party on my friends house, I see a group of girls a couple of them are smoking hot, the others two are a little chubby. I noticed they have not talked to almost anyone else and are just there with their "i'm so cool" faces. One of them has the router on her hands while talking to her friends, the router was on a chair and apparently somebody took it, I went to her to tell her there is another chair where she can put it, inmediately just after I open my mouth, another manly chubby girl jumps and yells at me "leave her alone, she will dance with you later, she is resting now". Whatever, enjoy keeping the house stuff safe.

I'm with a hungarian friend, in a faculty exchange students party, he approaches a couple of them and starts rambling about how happy he is to find spanish speakers, they ask him a couple of questions, I didn't feel the conversation was clicking so I went for a beer, when I came back they got bored and where leaving, then they told him looking at each other with a smile "Keep practicing your spanish.... but practice it between yourselves" (like please don't annoy girls lowly gringo) and then went laughing " My friend couldn't understand that they where insulting him and he was praising them by being so nice...

Both this scenarios happened in international parties, then you go and talk to a mexican or an american girl and feel like is like you are on another dimension, not even the rejections where so rude.

I see you recommend Valencia, I have read in a couple of datasheets that it attracts tons of international students, I think Barcelona would be probably the best gaming city in Spain due to the massive influx of foreigners, you can probably approach a lot of tourists during the day, not sure if Valencia has enough numbers, I mean I lived in a small student town for a while and couldn't do direct daygame easily for example since the foreign scene was very small, it ended being a social circle game also.

Barcelona and Valencia are the most tolerant and open cities in Spain (Malaga too, but I still prefer Valencia because it really is a "live and let live" culture). Valencian social groups are closed, but it attracts a fair amount of people from other parts enough to day game and Valencian women are among the most open in Spain too. Not the ideal, but not as terrible as Madrid or the North of the country.

And yes, I find American girls MUCH MORE OPEN-minded and friendly than Spanish women. I think most guys here don't know what they have in the US until they live in Spain and deal with the women. I'm not surprised at all about the Spanish women and your friend. They have been taught that they are princesses (even if they look like a dog's ass), are entitled, loud and extremely ill-mannered. They are very mistrusting too because Spanish men are liars so they also probably thought your friend was praising them for sex (I mean, they think all men are slimy, that's what they're used to).

"She's resting now!" LOL. Well, considering she was chubby, that's probably a good option for her. She should rest and shut up. Totally useless.