[DimeBait]

I just turned 40, I have teenage boys in high school and I have slowly begun exposing them to the game since discovering they had become sexually active.
Mostly, I explain how women/girls have been programed with unrealistic expectations from men and unreasonable beliefs that they posses something of value in their pants by virtue of their chromosomal makeup. However, part of me feels like they should learn the hard way like most of us have, but part of me wants them to equally value themselves as opposed to building their social status with erroneous negative equity.
My dad, though I love him to death, in retrospect, had very beta dating advice for me and still does when it comes to LTR advice. Like any parent, I just want my boys to have a leg up, but I don't want to raise assholes either.

What are you, or will you be teaching your sons, nephews, little brothers, etc about the game? Is there such thing as too early?

[Moto]

Of course there is too early, but I don't think it is high school. They need just the right doses, and you don't want them overthinking. More important is that they should know that their "popularity" and success with women in high school need not have any bearing whatsoever on their life or success with women outside of high school.

In fact, you should make sure they get some exposure to girls outside of their high school. It is much better to crash and burn, and go through the work phase of game, in a more anonymous environment. No sarging at school!

Just one humble opinion.

[Conquerer7]

Considering i'm young (21) and have known of this forum for 2 years. I would say the best time is starting to know game for leaving high school. You only get one go at high school so i was concentrating on studying and exams then having fun with game while in college, university etc.

[Thrill Jackson]

I would say middle school. But in small doses, I was 9 years old when I got the basics of how girls are crazy from my older brother.i didn't get the full dose until this time last year though and I'm 22. Game should be definitely taught around their junior year of high school, given that they have their grades under control.

[JonnyOxford88]

I learned after getting dumped at 17. Did me the world of good. I don't think there is a too young!

[Comte De St. Germain]

14

You need to show them the reality of women and indoctrinate them early. With that same mentality you need to make sure to give them good reason/motivation to succeed academically.

The earlier they learn to balance women with work the better prepared they will be later on. I can tell you first hand as a college guy how my grades got fucked chasing ass the first year I was in. And I was someone who graduated top 20 in his class.

[WestIndianArchie]

Papa was a rolling stone... At that age I don't think I could really talk to my father about this stuff.

So baseline is open and honest communication.

If game is just bagging chicks and keeping a few around..no discussion until he can support children, lol. Giving a high school freshman game knowledge might turn you into a premature grandfather!

But if game is more about leadership (which I think it is) , and making people want to follow you - you can start that in the womb.

I was at Sports Authority with my little brother. (High school aged)

I always pick the cute cashier if one is available.

"Did you find everything you were looking for?"

That's something she's been trained to say. I know there is a genuine person, a teenage girl - but she's in work mode.

So of course I ask her where were the curling stones.

Obscurity worked here, and banter ensued

So my brother was like "Did you know that girl? "

Of course not, but I know she's a person, and I just need to bring that out of her.

I wouldn't teach false time constraints or how to introduce dominance themes but not fearing and being comfortable with people is how you can deprogram all the negative things society puts in the minds of children.

There should be a rich dad poor dad for players.

After basically taking care of fear and approach anxiety, it's getting a kid to show his personality. Emphasizing the good stuff, but not running away from the bad.

Not taking girls seriously is next. But underneath that is the idea that you don't always take people at their word.

So for girls that's batting away tests
For business that's realizing the first offer is the beginning of the negotiation.

From there it's self worth. I see that you're interested, but are you worthy of me? What are you bringing to the table cause I have other options.

So on and so forth. You close sales and deal with last minute resistance and literal buyer's remorse. Having your kids watch you at a garage sale or haggle can carry over.

The basic game structure pervades most of life where people are involved.

WIA

[Il Bersagliere]

As early as possible. Most of my friends growing up were naturals because their upbringing was slightly different. Unfortunately, I was not. Far from it. Most of my youth was spent spitting anti-game and spinning my wheels. Learning game was something that was highly discouraged, to put it mildly.

Now fast forward, I'm trying to grind it out now while my peers are getting married and moving on with their lives. Making up for lost time is not fun at all.

[DimeBait]

Solid input as usual WIA!
I'm definitely not encouraging them to bang random chicks at this point. As you pointed out, it has been more focused on overcoming social anxiety and awkwardness. Teaching them not fear men and women both. They too, have asked me if I knew a stranger who I opened and carried on a conversation with. I think social and interpersonal communication principles are foreign to them at this stage where their generally familiar with everyone in their life. It wasn't till I was in college and exposed to more people that I learned about social interaction.

I agree, game is more about emotional intelligence and leadership. Once those are established, dealing with women becomes secondary. So I guess, in that respect, I've answered my own question, lol.

[James Bond Next level]

Even though I'm years from settling down and even more for kids, I would lie if I said I hadn't given it any thought.
There's a tendency I noticed, tell me later if you noticed it too : guys AND girls who peak young (high school - 1st year university) are never the cool people anymore after 25. They were THE people to hang out with in the past (ex: my neighbour was good looking, a bit of the jerk - the kind girls like, a crazy big social circle and used to organize big parties and hook up often. Now he became a bit more beta, lost IMO a bit of his mojo and his social circle is very average. I was the opposite, now I could look him in the eyes and know I'm still rising as a person whereas I feel he's slowly decaying)

What's my point with this? Only that if you do teach him young Game and stuff, it could profit on short term but damage on long term, especially since I would bet teaching him that would increase the chance of him becaming way too arrogant.
The best lessons in life are learned via 1st hand experience and though we want to shroud some relatives of pain we felt, it might actually be a good thing that they do experience it too!

So what can we do?
Teach them subtlely what it really means to be a man. Haven't you heard before of "leadership by example"? It's perfect for here : have a strong household where you are the man who lead for the big decisions, who's respected, protect his relatives and has his values. His mother should be nurturing, feminine, a bit submissive, cook for you and take good care of the kids.
As for teaching your kids, I would advise few stuff about seduction. Just show & tell him to stand for his convictions, to be rationnal and strive for being clever, and be strong mentally by facing his fears. Of course if he does ask specifically some advice about dating, give the good answer but no more.

[DimeBait]

^^ Great Points!

Reminds me of the butter fly story

Quote:

A little boy was playing outdoors and found a fascinating caterpillar. He carefully picked it up and took it home to show his mother. He asked his mother if he could keep it, and she said he could if he would take good care of it.

Butterfly Emerging from cocoon

The little boy got a large jar from his mother and put plants to eat, and a stick to climb on, in the jar. Every day he watched the caterpillar and brought it new plants to eat.

One day the caterpillar climbed up the stick and started acting strangely. The boy worriedly called his mother who came and understood that the caterpillar was creating a cocoon. The mother explained to the boy how the caterpillar was going to go through a metamorphosis and become a butterfly.

The little boy was thrilled to hear about the changes his caterpillar would go through. He watched every day, waiting for the butterfly to emerge. One day it happened, a small hole appeared in the cocoon and the butterfly started to struggle to come out.

At first the boy was excited, but soon he became concerned. The butterfly was struggling so hard to get out! It looked like it couldn't break free! It looked desperate! It looked like it was making no progress!

The boy was so concerned he decided to help. He ran to get scissors, got it and and then came back. He snipped the cocoon to make the hole bigger and the butterfly quickly emerged!

As the butterfly came out the boy was surprised. It had a swollen body and small, shriveled wings. He continued to watch the butterfly expecting that, at any moment, the wings would dry out, enlarge and expand to support the swollen body. He knew that in time the body would shrink and the butterfly's wings would expand.

But neither happened!

The butterfly spent the rest of its life crawling around with a swollen body and shriveled wings. It never could fly…

What the boy in his kindness and haste did not understand was that the restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the butterfly to get through the tiny opening were nature's way of forcing fluid from the body of the butterfly into its wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its freedom from the cocoon.

Sometimes struggles are exactly what we need in our life. If nature allowed us to go through our life without any obstacles, it would cripple us. We would not be as strong as what we could have been.

[Deepdiver]

In my case I went into the service at 18 and after 2 years of tech schools I was based out of NLON CT Submarine base fortunately it was a summer tourist destination so decent NY and CT talent. It forced me to become a natural red pill in that I had to game fast and hard to get action but giving lasses a tour of the boat gave them tingles and going back to my off base apt always sealed the deal.

I would only approach 8s plus however I would fall into LTR oneitis which almost never worked to my benefit. I wish I also had the benefit of Red Pill wisdom about screening for women with best wife potential and obvious red flags... would have saved me a lot of aggravation.

So the sooner (Jr High after puberty especially before they get their first bang buggy/wheels) you share this solid red pill wisdom about sorting good girls from slores the better . A Chief once told me never bed any woman you would not want to wake up for breakfast with the rest of your life. Solid wisdom.

[AneroidOcean]

(08-11-2016 11:23 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

I just turned 40, I have teenage boys in high school and I have slowly begun exposing them to the game since discovering they had become sexually active.
Mostly, I explain how women/girls have been programed with unrealistic expectations from men and unreasonable beliefs that they posses something of value in their pants by virtue of their chromosomal makeup. However, part of me feels like they should learn the hard way like most of us have, but part of me wants them to equally value themselves as opposed to building their social status with erroneous negative equity.
My dad, though I love him to death, in retrospect, had very beta dating advice for me and still does when it comes to LTR advice. Like any parent, I just want my boys to have a leg up, but I don't want to raise assholes either.

What are you, or will you be teaching your sons, nephews, little brothers, etc about the game? Is there such thing as too early?

I have to agree with WIA here. Game should be taught from the very beginning of a man's life. These are the key aspects that I'm talking about when I refer to game. I believe that game applies to everyone. Some people would call it a different kind of game, but I would call it a variation:

1. Listening - If you listen and truly process your thoughts before you speak (and use less words) you will be ahead of the curve.

2. Frame - Truly having your own direction in life, sticking to your guns, not letting others direct your world-view.

3. Teasing/Flirting - Even little boys learn to do this with each other (the teasing part) and can do innocuous/light flirting with women as well as girls their age.

4. Self-Improvement - As a kid you're always learning/improving yourself just by virtue of gaining experience and understanding the world, but instilling a hunger for knowledge and showing a child how they can learn things and do things themselves that most adults are too scared to do is huge.

5. Mindset - Understanding fear, rejection, and the negative side of the world and how you can choose to have things affect you positively or negatively. You can change your path with your mindset.

6. Social skills, body language, micro-expressions, etc... can all be built up in a kid so that they have a leg up in the world. They don't have to be the center of attention, but learning to be above average socially is a gift.

7. Motivation - How to motivate oneself but also understanding what motivations people have when they say things or do things. Not everything is as it seems. Some people in positions of authority don't necessarily have more knowledge or understanding than the average person with some self-education.

8. Physical Activity/Sports - Health benefits plus socialization and competition.

9. Success - How most people measure it, how you don't have to measure yourself by anything but against your own definition.

10. Networking/Providing Value - This is part of socialization, but if you can teach a young mind to understand that if they provide value to the right people and make the right connections, they can get far more than most people would ever realize in terms of experiences, opportunities, and access to things they would never be able to afford or make happen easily on their own.

There's more, but I imagine you get the idea now that there's a lot of game skills that can be taught (and other important life skills which help with gaming) or at least start to be introduced at a young age to give your boys a leg up in the world.

[WestIndianArchie]

(08-11-2016 01:41 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

It wasn't till I was in college and exposed to more people that I learned about social interaction.

I agree, game is more about emotional intelligence and leadership. Once those are established, dealing with women becomes secondary. So I guess, in that respect, I've answered my own question, lol.

I wish someone had pulled me aside back in those days. I dated a chick that wished she got a real sexual education when had raging teenage hormones. She thought that a lot of pregnancy would be curbed by girls truly knowing what they were going through. In plain talk.

It's like everyone needs that good for nothing uncle or that loose auntie that can say stuff that the parents can't.

WIA

[XXL]

The first thing I'd teach is the importance of social value in society in general and getting along with different people and how much impact that has on our life. That's because being skilled and good at something is one thing but being socially savvy is completely different thing. That would be the first thing like a base for everything else.

From then I'd branch into different areas like how women perceive you when you're socially savvy, how other men will compete with you then, how to navigate through the world, how to be street smart to get what he wants, how to be create an image of being powerful [laws of power thing], etc etc.

I'd not teach my son game as "how to fuck tons of bitches" way but I'd help him if he asked about specific situation with a girl he likes.

[britchard]

I'd argue game comes relatively naturally with a healthy, red-pill upbringing. It should only be the finer details, but the basics such as how to twist conversations and charming women should be there already.

Far more important to instill competitiveness, determination and a will to win at an early age. The rest will follow.

[kaotic]

There's so much gold in here about teaching and "red pill" views.

Honestly you could make a thread about how to raise your son and/or daughters.

I've thought about this, personally I wish I would've started learning when I was in Junior High.

By that time I was looking at porn and my father figure at the time had to sign off on the sex ed classes, he kind of laughed, and I said with a smirk "I already know what's going on"

Then I lost my virginity at 15 1/2 - I didn't know shit about women and would get oneitis from time to time.

Personally it'd be less on game and more on what it is to be a man. How to live your life as a great man and what to do you with you life.

In simple terms, "red pill" guidance for long term.

[realologist]

I have two sons that are much younger than Dimebait's but I try to instill these values in the older one already even those he's only three.

At this point, I can only go so far but what I've done is;

Have him talk to random people while out with me.

Play outside, get him involved in sports and physical activity.

Make him clean up and take responsibility for the messes he makes.

Inspire saving money by giving him any extra change and random dollars I have and put it in a 5 gallon jug. When it's full I'll let him see how much it built up. Probably wait until about 10 until I let him see how much it is.

His mother wanted him to skip teeball for two games. I wouldn't let him because it was important for him to finish what he signed up for. He had a blast playing it too.

The little guy already teases adults and children alike and flirts with girls so don't have to worry about that.

I plan to expand on all this more in the future but for the most part I lead by example and stick to my word. He won't understand at this point but it will click in his head once he gets older.

[General Mayhem]

(08-11-2016 01:25 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I was at Sports Authority with my little brother. (High school aged)

I always pick the cute cashier if one is available.

"Did you find everything you were looking for?"

That's something she's been trained to say. I know there is a genuine person, a teenage girl - but she's in work mode.

So of course I ask her where were the curling stones.

Obscurity worked here, and banter ensued

So my brother was like "Did you know that girl? "

Of course not, but I know she's a person, and I just need to bring that out of her.

This is huge. Something everyone should take note of and practice whether you are a single player, in an LTR, or married.

I've been in the LTR game for a while now and this is one of the ways I go about keeping my game sharp.

I went into the dentist's office for a post surgery follow-up last week. I banter with all the chicks that assist the docs in the surgery. There are a lot of them and in the past year I have had a different one at every appointment. I've talked on this before.

When they called my name last week was the first time I saw a repeat and right off the bat this chick smiles at me and says, "Long time no see."

I've only interacted with this chick once like 6 months ago and she has seen hundreds of faces since then but remembers me.

Most people have the same interactions with people all the time like they are robots but as a player you can make those interactions and in doing that you become a memorable person.

I wish I could say I learned this just from osmosis because this is the way my dad is but I was never like that until learning game. My mom always accuses him of flirting with girls in the office and wherever.

We just didn't have that kind of relationship.

When I think back there's a few different times I wish dad would have stepped in and set me straight when I needed it but he never did. He could have saved me a ton of pain and agony.

In a perfect situation assuming the dad has game I think you need to develop that relationship when your sons are young. Fathers need to teach the sons their worth and the sons need to know they can talk to the fathers about pussy.

It needs to start when the kid gets that first oneitis. The real game lessons can start when the kid gets a little older. Then when the son brings home some chick he is considering settling down with the relationship is already established where the father can point out the red flags the kid has been missing and the kid will trust his father's judgement. Then when the kid is actually married he can talk through problems with his dad.

I think what it really comes down to is a son that trusts his father's wisdom and guidance.

One of my best friend's has this relationship with his father. His word is gold. Before my friend got married his dad steered him away from a bunch chicks that had glaring red flags. He ended up breaking up with a bunch of LTRs just based on his dad's advice.

[puckerman]

I know a young man who has always been a player. When he was six, he had a comb in his pocket. I remember thinking, "Oh, shit." Anyway, teach them game as soon as possible. Teach them all about one-itis, and that's definitely a big one.

[Easy_C]

As it become relevant.

A lot of the supporting ideas are implanted early, but best taught through example.

[Switch]