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No Mercy: Manila Maniacs Mass Murdered
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Quote: (08-04-2016 05:31 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  

This is some crazy stuff, but it's a lot better than the half-assed war on drugs in the U.S.

Well it's certainly more effective.

The US War on Drugs is like the archetypal cuckservative ideal.

"Does PUA say that I just need to get to f-close base first here and some weird chemicals will be released in her brain to make her a better person?"
-Wonitis
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Quote: (08-03-2016 11:27 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Duterte is also mentioned sometimes as the Trump of of the Philippines. [Image: angel.gif]

It's ironic that I see so many comparisons between Duterte and Trump, yet Duterte himself actually supports Hillary in the U.S. election.

(When I was in Davao a couple months ago, I briefly met one of Duterte's sons while drinking at a bar near city hall, and he confirmed they support Hillary.)
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Quote: (08-04-2016 03:19 PM)Adv8nturous Wrote:  

I was talking to a Thai girl about this and specifically Thalsin Shinawatras "war on drugs" in Thailand a few years ago.
The liberal Uk media described it as an excuse for Thai Police to shoot thousands of young Muslim men on the south of Thailand for no good reason.
Her opinion is that the Thai Drug trade was dealt a hammer blow and has never recovered. She reckons it's a sign of how smart Shinawatra was. Unfortunately he was also overtly corrupt which led to him being driven from office.
Like the sound of this Dutarte guy. Easy to say I guess when it's not happening in my country.

All those drugs don't get in without someone up North knowing about it and profiting and I don't think they dissappeared, so what good did it do?
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Quote: (08-04-2016 06:41 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 11:27 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Duterte is also mentioned sometimes as the Trump of of the Philippines. [Image: angel.gif]

It's ironic that I see so many comparisons between Duterte and Trump, yet Duterte himself actually supports Hillary in the U.S. election.

(When I was in Davao a couple months ago, I briefly met one of Duterte's sons while drinking at a bar near city hall, and he confirmed they support Hillary.)

Did he give any reasons why?
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Interesting to see this in a positive way. Compare this to "Noynoying"....and this guy follows through with his shit.
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Quote: (08-04-2016 06:47 PM)Dark Knowledge Wrote:  

Quote: (08-04-2016 06:41 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 11:27 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Duterte is also mentioned sometimes as the Trump of of the Philippines. [Image: angel.gif]

It's ironic that I see so many comparisons between Duterte and Trump, yet Duterte himself actually supports Hillary in the U.S. election.

(When I was in Davao a couple months ago, I briefly met one of Duterte's sons while drinking at a bar near city hall, and he confirmed they support Hillary.)

Did he give any reasons why?

My guess would be:

Supporting a still-powerful powerful former first family, and avowed globalists, in an election with an elite-unsupported populist is the smart play for the controversial leader of what amounts to a beleaguered US military outpost.

I don't even think its a judgement call for him. He likely doesn't have the luxury of siding with who he might, in a perfect world, align with in terms of personal ideology. He needs to align with who will best support him, or maybe even perhaps who would represent the most danger to him if he were to support the other guy.
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If you were in a dispute against China and relying on the US Navy -- who's not only operating off your shores but is docking at your naval bases -- for defense, who would you "support"? The former first lady, senator, and secretary of state, who's endorsed by the sitting president, or the anti-establishment billionaire who's yet to hold actual political office in his life?

For the record, Duterte just ended a two month boycott against the media for their track record of manipulating his words -- he hadn't been giving interviews since he took office. It's not like he gave Hillary some big, glowing endorsement.
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Quote: (08-04-2016 03:19 PM)Adv8nturous Wrote:  

I was talking to a Thai girl about this and specifically Thalsin Shinawatras "war on drugs" in Thailand a few years ago.
The liberal Uk media described it as an excuse for Thai Police to shoot thousands of young Muslim men on the south of Thailand for no good reason.
Her opinion is that the Thai Drug trade was dealt a hammer blow and has never recovered. She reckons it's a sign of how smart Shinawatra was. Unfortunately he was also overtly corrupt which led to him being driven from office.
Like the sound of this Dutarte guy. Easy to say I guess when it's not happening in my country.

Thaksin's war in the south was to try and eliminate the muslim insurgent elements. The drug war was secondary to cut a main source of funding for these groups. The most infamous incident is the Tak Bai massacre where a lot of muslims "civilians" were stacked on top of each other and suffocated.

Thaksin did have his own death squads too but their primary goal was mostly counter-terrorism.

Don't believe the hype that the drug trade was stopped in Thailand or hurt at all. Drugs are everywhere in Bangkok. I'm not into drugs but i've been offered coke, E, and crystal more times than I can count at parties in BKK over the years.

Way back around '06 I took a trip to Narathiwat and also stopped by Pattani. I was curious about this area in southern Thailand because it was widely considered a "no go" zone. There was a lull in the violence at the time because Thaksin already got pushed out of office and I guess the local muslim insurgent groups were negotiating terms with the new government.

It seemed like I was the only tourist around. It's very rare to go anywhere in Thailand and be the only tourist in town. I rented a bicycle and pedaled around town and down by a little beach area. I never felt in danger but I saw humvees and Thai soldiers in convoys all over the place. Most people did stare at me since I was obviously not a local. There were some local Thai women in full burkha at the fresh market too which is a rare sight.

Pattani on the other hand was creepy. I passed by a local police station on the way there and it had big concrete barriers out front with those anti-tank treads behind it and it was surrounded with barbed wire. There were soldiers in full kevlar on watch out front with machineguns on tripod.
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Quote: (08-04-2016 02:04 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Quote: (08-04-2016 09:51 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

It's definitely not fool proof. Let's say Duterte's tenure doesn't last that long and he suffers from an unnatural death which is a very real possibility for any politician in the Philippines.

Then he's replaced by someone with less than noble intentions but who maintains the same policy. It would become an absolute blood bath like you said.

I was told a lot of people there have that very worry. Marcos was clearly the most popular candidate for vice president, and everyone I talked to seem to be voting for him. Yet somehow, Robredo, the most anti-Duterte candidate, squeaked out ahead by 0.6% of the vote. Marcos and many others believe that he was disenfranchised on the order of millions of votes. The corrupt establishment are pulling out all the stops.

It's definitely sketchy. Duterte won by such a landslide though the establishment couldn't really do anything about him so they settled for the next best thing.

I still think Duterte is probably in danger though. He must surround himself with layers and layers of protection because rival politicians in the Philippines have zero compunction when it comes to assassination. He has overwhelming popular support with the people but I know that some of the elites there really dislike him and his methods. He's already starting to effect their golden goose in the most corrupt departments.
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So el chinito would you say Thalsins approach to the South was a failure?
I'm interested as I have no idea..
The girl I spoke to said that yes drugs were still widely available but that the dealers had lost a lot of their prestige and status as well as their ability to openly flout the government..
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Quote: (08-05-2016 02:59 AM)Adv8nturous Wrote:  

So el chinito would you say Thalsins approach to the South was a failure?
I'm interested as I have no idea..
The girl I spoke to said that yes drugs were still widely available but that the dealers had lost a lot of their prestige and status as well as their ability to openly flout the government..

The primary drug dealers are in the government though..they were just eliminating terrorist financiers and the competition. SEA has always been a tangled web when it comes to drug money, foreign intelligence, and the local government(s). I don't think the CIA is as deeply involved now as back in the 60's-70's. However all those old networks and politician families who got wealthy from the trade are still around and many are "legitimate" now.

Thaksin's death squads did hurt the insurgent financiers quite a bit but overall it had no real long term impact on the drug trade.

The idea that there are black and white hats is a joke in southeast asia. A lot of the supposedly "good" politicians and elites are involved in some of the most crooked shit imaginable. This goes for people way way high up in the food chain too like royals.
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Quote: (08-04-2016 06:47 PM)Dark Knowledge Wrote:  

Quote: (08-04-2016 06:41 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  

Quote: (08-03-2016 11:27 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Duterte is also mentioned sometimes as the Trump of of the Philippines. [Image: angel.gif]

It's ironic that I see so many comparisons between Duterte and Trump, yet Duterte himself actually supports Hillary in the U.S. election.

(When I was in Davao a couple months ago, I briefly met one of Duterte's sons while drinking at a bar near city hall, and he confirmed they support Hillary.)

Did he give any reasons why?

Unfortunately, no. I only briefly met Duterte's son, as I was introduced by a girl I was talking to who went to college with him. While I was in the bathroom, she took the liberty of asking him to get a picture with me, but he said, "Sure, but let him know I support Hillary in the U.S. election". I decided against the picture and went back to trying to seduce the girl.
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Quote: (08-04-2016 09:51 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I don't think these motorcycle assassins are held to some bodycount quota though. They do this incognito and are more like Shogun assasins from feudal Japan. They show up in the middle of the night to murk people, throw down an official calling card, and then disappear before sunrise.

They aren't looking for scalps or to monetize their work. It would be fascinating to see what the day to day routine is for some of these guys. Imagine getting dressed for work and hopping on a motorcycle knowing that you're going to spend the next few hours riding around blasting people.

Do they punch in timecards at the station? It's fascinating. Based on what I know about Duterte though I have a feeling that the guys tapped for this line of work are extremely loyal and mostly good men. They are not as psychotic as we would assume. Popping drug pushers and scumbags can be a guilt free job if you rationalize it a certain way.

Here's an interview with a Indian cop who has killed over 100 people. The way cops in India cover their arses when they kill somebody is to say that the person was killed in an "Encounter".

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When he began to kill, Thounaojam Herojit never intended to tell his wife – let alone the whole country. After an execution, he would go home and wait by the corrugated tin gate for her to bring him a towel and bucket. He bathed, right there in the lane, as their children did, to keep the pollution of death from entering their house. Each time, he would ask her to wash his uniform, even though his clothes looked clean. Eventually she caught on.

The worst days were ahead of Herojit – these were merely the most dangerous. He was a young police constable in Manipur, a province in the north-east of India bloodied by decades of separatist insurgency and state reprisal. But he was also a commando – part of an elite unit raised to fight the insurgents – and he was set to become their most effective executioner.


At first, he kept a tally of his kills in his head: “10, 11, 12 …” But his job, eliminating suspected militants, soon became routine. In Manipur, high in the welter of green hills that blur the border with Myanmar, nearly any young man could be a suspect, and there was no time to take them all to court.

It became a habit for Herojit to make his victims face him. He looked them in the eye when he pulled the trigger. Later he kept a diary, recording dates and names, and marking them: killed. Eventually there was a second notebook, then a third.


He never imagined that one day he might answer for his actions, or find himself feeling like one more victim of this war. At the time, Herojit recalled, he felt no qualms about casual executions. There was one day when his unit was tipped off about a rebel cadre hiding out in the hills outside the state capital, Imphal. Driving up in an armed convoy was not an option – they would be spotted from above, and the men would disappear. Instead, Herojit and his team went in a truck, dressed in plain clothes, looking like a road‑repair gang.

As they left the long scab of orange brick that was Imphal, the view opened out on to paddy fields and glossy banana groves, and soon they were climbing into the ring of great hills that encircle the Imphal valley. At the top, they pulled over and idled. They had arranged for an armed convoy to follow at a distance. Once that conspicuously came into view, seven nervous young men appeared and came over to their truck, eager to hitch a ride and escape the police.

Herojit smiled at them. “Which party are you?”

“U,” they confessed, meaning the United National Liberation Front, one of the strongest among dozens of groups fighting the government.

“Well, we’re PLA,” Herojit replied, meaning the People’s Liberation Army of Manipur – fellow fighters, at least in that moment, when the common enemy was men in uniforms. Get in the truck, another cop said, there’s a place up the road where we can ambush the police convoy. The men passed up their AK-47s and climbed in, grateful – until they found themselves looking down the snout of Herojit’s pistol.

“Once they were all inside, we told them, ‘We’re police, but be calm, we just want to talk,’” Herojit recalled.

The seven men stayed subdued, and the truck drove to a predetermined spot on the hillside – where Herojit shot them dead.

Afterwards, as always, a recovery van carted the bodies to the morgue. The police issued a statement: the commandos had been attacked, and had fought back, killing seven insurgents in the armed “encounter”. That was the routine. It was always on orders, Herojit says, either direct instructions – or the implicit, standing order that in this, the fourth decade of armed rebellion in Manipur, commandos were not to waste time making arrests.


This was just how it went, in provinces all along India’s borders, where armed separatist movements unleashed conflicts that have cost tens of thousands of lives. Kashmir – which has erupted again this summer – is the most well-known, but the earliest insurgencies in India persist in the far reaches of the north-east, in the small and mountainous states on the other side of Bangladesh, where the authority of the Indian state had always been suspect. Militant groups launched attacks on the army and government – and the state fought back with indiscriminate reprisals, which at times meant declaring an open season on young local men.

For Herojit, it was only ever a matter of revenge. Convinced of his impunity, he became one of India’s most seasoned extra-judicial killers. Until this year, when he became something rarer still: a killer cop who wanted to confess.

In January of 2016, in a secret meeting with select journalists in Imphal, Herojit made two disclosures. First, he admitted that he was guilty of the execution of an unarmed young man in the middle of a busy market in 2009 – his final and most notorious killing. His other confession was an off-the-record remark, which the journalists could not print, but it was far more shocking: the precise number of killings that he had personally carried out. The total was well over one hundred.

After these revelations, Herojit went silent. But in April, he agreed to meet, and speak for the first time, on the record, about his entire career as a police commando – and how he decided that it was time to confess. Our initial meetings took place in a house in the south of Imphal, where Herojit was being sheltered by distant relatives, the only people who had heard his full story.

His movements were secretive. Though our meetings had been scheduled, we never knew how long we would have to wait before he appeared. Herojit was shy, small-built and gulag-thin. He seemed wrecked by years of stress, addiction, and exposure to danger – and at the time that we met him, none of the three seemed likely to be relieved. Very few people alive have killed more than 100 men, face to face. Even fewer have made an attempt to talk about it to strangers. He was, our hostess told us, “a saint who became a monster, and is trying again to become a saint”.

We were seated on sofas. He sat on the floor, and looked at his phone as he started to speak.

Herojit was born in 1981, to a farming family in Lamdeng, on the outskirts of Imphal. His father owned paddy fields, with enough land left over for bamboo groves and a kitchen garden of herbs and cabbages. He also had a job, as a clerk at the public health department.

They were Meiteis – Hindus, like most residents of the Imphal valley, in the centre of Manipur. The encircling hills are home to the Naga and Kuki tribes, converts to evangelical Christianity. Herojit is not a traditional Meitei name, but means what it sounds like: “Hero”, in English, with the suffix “Jit”, meaning victory.

It was among the hill tribes, in the 1960s, that armed rebellion against the Indian state began. Each decade it expanded, as a ball of cells does, by constantly splitting. Revenue, from kidnapping and extortion, came easy. With forested borders that enabled the smuggling of arms and narcotics, and neighbouring states that offered shelter, forming a splinter-group was not hard.
The Kuki tribe alone now harbours 26 competing militant factions.

It was in the 1990s, when Herojit entered high school, that Meitei separatists began to take up arms against the Indian state. As the only man in Lamdeng with a government salary, Herojit’s father had a virtual target nailed to his door.

Dusk comes early in Manipur, and the naharol (the gunmen) always arrived at bedtime, in gangs of 20 or 30. The family huddled together while the rebels ransacked their house. “They opened anything they could open,” Herojit recalled. “There was nothing to take. They only took my peace of mind.” One night his grandfather appealed for respite, and a naharol kicked him in the face.

The naharol carried demand-notes, printed on official letterheads. Despite their rough delivery, the letters always reprised in high revolutionary style the purpose for which “generous donations” were requested. One note the family received from the United National Liberation Front in April 1997 explained:

The UNLF was established in November 24, 1964, with the firm conviction that Indian colonial rule had been strangling the genuine development of our peoples … We have also begun striking at the occupation forces from time to time in order to awaken the masses to the real and ugly face of Indian colonialism and to propagate the revolutionary line that our national pride and independence can be regained through armed struggle only …

The amount solicited: 20,000 rupees (£226). Receipts were provided.

Herojit’s father started selling his land to pay off the militants’ demands. “It was too much,” Herojit said. “Each time there was a demand, we went without food. But no one was allowed to speak, to confront them, to beg for reason.”

One day, when he was 17, he had enough. “We are six siblings,” he shouted at the gunmen. “We have so many mouths to feed. We want to help you, but at least look at what our earnings are! Do some justice to us.”

The men turned, and Herojit went on: “Also, just know – I can join a rival group – I can, and come do this to you.”

They grew curious. “You’re a brave boy,” one of them said, “Why don’t you just join us? Then we won’t take a cent from your family.”

Herojit went with them as far as the front gate before his parents caught up, begging the men to let him go. He was too young, he didn’t know what he was saying. They would find the money. The insurgents gave in. “But first he needs to be taught a lesson.”

They made him lie face-down on the ground. One of them brought over a bamboo rod, which the family used to bar the gate. Herojit does not remember how long they beat him, but afterwards the family sat around him and they all cried.

And after that, he told us, “I was ready to kill.”


Five years later, in December 2002, Herojit pumped eight rounds from his 9mm pistol into two suspected insurgents whom he had caught shaking down a rice vendor in central Imphal – his first kills. He was a newly-enlisted police commando, and had settled in with his future wife, Ratna Devi, only a week before. Afterwards, he went to bathe and sit out the rest of the day. His mind was calm, and he remembers thinking: “What I want has started today.”

His timing was lethal. In 2002, after years of feeble state governments, Manipur had a new chief minister, Okram Ibobi. The same year, Yumnam Joykumar, a police officer who had served in Kashmir at the height of its insurgency in the 1990s, returned to a posting in his home state. Joykumar had been inspired by an earlier stint in Northern Ireland, where he learned counter-terrorism strategy from the Royal Ulster Constabulary. He came back to Manipur convinced that only a “fighting-fit” police force could break the back of militant groups embedded in the local population.

In Manipur, “the reputation of the police was for abject surrender, giving away its weapons,” Joykumar said when we met at his home this April. Insurgents bombed military convoys and assassinated officials, raided police stations and bought off legislators. Manipur had been reduced to a garrison state, its people and economy stifled by nightly curfew, highway blockades and militant “taxation” – extortion from local residents and businesses. “The police had forgotten that they could fight back.”

The judiciary, with its insistence on “the benefit of the doubt”, was another impediment to putting suspected militants away, Joykumar insisted. “We never had a chance of convicting any terrorist.” But there was another option: the staged encounter.


For years, the Indian army had eliminated suspected militants with little controversy – but one such killing, in July 2004, proved a step too far. One night at 3am, a young woman named Thangjam Manorama was arrested from her family home by a party of the Assam Rifles, a government paramilitary force deployed across the troubled north-east of India. She was suspected of aiding the People’s Liberation Army of Manipur. That same night, she was shot dead, allegedly while attempting to escape. Forensic examiners found eight bullet wounds – one to her genitals – and semen stains on her skirt.

Across India, the word “encounter” is an accepted gloss for the way security forces commit murder and then cover it up. In Manorama’s case, the jaded conscience of the Indian public was finally pricked. Five days later, a group of Manipuri imas (mothers), staged a singular protest. At the gate of the Kangla Fort, the historic seat of Meitei sovereignty, and then the headquarters of the Assam Rifles, they gathered and began to undress. Eventually they stood naked, only holding up a banner that read in crimson letters: INDIAN ARMY RAPE US.

It was a dire indictment of the “mainland” troops who, darker-skinned and moustached, were regarded as agents of a racial occupation of Manipur. (The faces and skin-tones of indigenous peoples here more closely resemble those of south-east Asians.) It became politically necessary to pull those troops back, and recruit locals to do their dirty work. So the police commandos received new weapons, vehicles and orders, and new bodies began to fall in the woods and irrigation ditches of the Imphal valley.

To demonstrate why it was futile to arrest insurgents, Herojit told us his own version of a story we had heard earlier from another police officer.

In 2006, his unit captured a sergeant major of the People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (Prepak), along with a cache of their arms. “That was when the Nokia N73 was the in thing,” Herojit said. “That’s what this guy was demanding [through extortion], and we caught him on the pretext of delivering it.” Under India’s National Security Act, a suspect could be detained for up to 12 months without trial. Throughout that year, Herojit says, he got phone calls from inside the jail, threatening to hurt his wife and son unless the Prepak weapons were returned.

“I warned him not to drag in my family. But he was stubborn.” Word of the threats spread from the office to the other constables’ wives, and then to Ratna, Herojit’s wife. Frightened, she pulled their son out of school, and stopped leaving police quarters, even to shop or to see her parents.

At the end of 12 months, as the date of the Prepak commander’s release approached, Herojit and two friends rode a motorbike out to where the road from the Central Jail joined the highway to Imphal. They waited there, until the afternoon of the third day of their stakeout, when a van drove down from the jail. When the driver saw Herojit, waving for them to stop, he sped away.

When Herojit caught up to the van, he ordered everyone out. Six or seven men emerged. Some were Prepak fighters, one was a lawyer. He identified himself: “I am Herojit.”

One man spoke up. “Tamo [brother], I am sorry…”

“What do you mean sorry? After your threats.”

“Tamo, I’m sorry –”

“Sit down,” Herojit said.

The man refused to sit. “He kept pleading,” Herojit recalled. “I’m sorry I’m sorry … Anyway, I took out my 9mm and I gave him six bullets.”

That execution, in broad daylight and in front of witnesses, including a lawyer, got him suspended for “indiscipline and grave misconduct”. His suspension lasted 10 days. Then he was needed back at work.


Herojit never told his parents about the nature of his work. But the job sometimes took him back to their village, and whenever he visited, he left a dead body behind. He no longer kept the tally in his head, but in the notebooks at home.

In our first interviews, we found Herojit unwilling to speak about any of this. Tension built in the room as he hedged around the scope and details of his past crimes. Herojit would only repeat that he was following orders, and that he believed he was doing justice, in a way. “At first, because I’d been a victim of the militants’ harassment, I thought I was putting an end to it,” he said. “But later, when your body is that tired … you stop caring who is wrong, or who was responsible.”

Herojit calls most of the men he killed “guilty”.
Yumnam Joykumar, who became the state’s police chief in 2007, declared without qualification that in his tenure, “none of the persons killed in encounters were innocent”. Yet in Manipur the categories of innocence and guilt had long lost their simplicity. Any young delinquent might consort with local naharol, and as Herojit had himself seen, that was not always by choice.

Many of the people killed in encounters were innocent in this sense – drawn into militant circles by circumstance, and unlikely to face severe punishment under the law. But others were completely innocent: they had no links at all to the insurgency, as a man named Babloo Loitongbam intended to prove. Babloo rallied the families of “encounter victims”, and soon they had identified 1,528 Manipuris, all killed by security forces in what appeared to be faked encounters. Of those, he says, 1,200 had taken place under the incumbent chief minister, Ibobi – more than 100 a year.

The families formed a new group, known as Eevfam – a homonym for the local word for bloodstain. In 2013, they brought a case before India’s supreme court, which in turn asked a former judge to investigate six of the 1,528 killings. All six were quickly determined to have been staged. Far from being hardened militants, none of the victims even had a criminal record.

One victim, Mohammad Azad Khan, had been resting with his family on the veranda of their village home when police commandos arrived to take him. The family resisted, and they were locked in a room. They watched through a window as he was led out to a field and shot in the back. Azad Khan was 12 years old.

Yet activists despaired of ever seeing the perpetrators punished. The state would stonewall any prosecution, Babloo said. “And you just can’t see 1,528 soldiers and police ever going to prison.”

Questions of legality never crossed Herojit’s mind. Besides, he said, he had a reputation: “Not just for marksmanship, but because I did my job well.” His colleagues looked up to him, and his superiors wanted him in their charge. Other policemen might scavenge money and phones off the corpses, but Herojit never touched a dead body. He had his humble quarters, and he was teetotal. He never needed much money, and never imagined how badly, in the future, he might.


In 2008, when a 22-year-old named Konsam Rishikanta, a junior subeditor at the daily Imphal Free Press, was found dead – shot repeatedly in the face and torso – pressure from the journalists’ union forced an investigation. Herojit was implicated, and suspended again. But still he believed himself untouchable. In 2009, the governor of Manipur pinned a gallantry medal to Herojit’s chest. The same year, he was promoted to head constable. Then, on 23 July 2009, he at last faced his own reckoning.

It was late morning when the fatal message came in for Herojit. He was just about to eat his first mouthful of rice.

It was a constable named Toyaima on the wireless: “Mobile-13 – we’ve been fired on by an unknown armed youth – near the public toilet.” Herojit pushed away his lunch and raced to the scene.

The state assembly was in session, and the force was on high alert. Herojit rode past the gate and turned his bike onto the B-T Road, an avenue between Imphal’s two largest markets. Here, between the scooters and the shoppers, was a huddle of conferring commandos, and a scrum of reporters from local TV stations. Herojit parked alongside. A young man had just been stopped, Toyaima said. He had made a run for it, and turned and fired a pistol at the policemen. The cops fired back, but the street was crowded, and the man got away.

The commandos fanned out to search the area. Herojit was waiting by a pharmacy when one of them returned, bringing with him a 22-year-old named Chungkham Sanjit. He was unarmed. “When Toyaima saw Sanjit, he charged right at him,” Herojit recalled. “I held him back.” This was the man who had fired on them, Toyaima claimed. Herojit led Sanjit into the pharmacy to ask him some questions. The pharmacist was inside, along with a watch repairman who rented some of the counter space.

“One of the other constables handed me a mobile, a basic one they had taken off [Sanjit],” said Herojit. “The phone kept ringing and ringing, so I picked it up. It was a male voice. ‘Spare the boy’s life,’ it said. ‘Just let me know the name of who has arrested him. We can arrange however much you say …’”

This was confirmation that Sanjit belonged to a militant group. “The pharmacist might have heard it,” Herojit told us. “The watch repairman definitely heard it. Anyway, I said, ‘I have a salary. And I’m not that kind of policeman. So let’s be straight with each other. How many of your guys came here, and where have they hidden the pistol?’

“‘Please give the phone to my boy,’ the caller said. I said, ‘Go ahead. You’re on speaker.’

“‘Don’t be afraid. We’re here for you – nothing is going to happen. Just cooperate …’ Then I cut the call.”

Right then, Herojit recalled, a policeman came in to say that a superior officer, Akoijam Jhalajit, had arrived. “So I told Jhalajit, ‘We’ve got the suspect and I’ve confirmed it’s the guy.’ I told him about the phone call.

“‘Very good,’ he told me, then said, ‘Touthok-khro’.” Finish it.

“I warned him – there was media all over the place, and the public … It shouldn’t be done here. But he snapped back, ‘Ushh … tuoro’. [Just do it.] ‘I’ve taken the trouble of getting the consent of the CM and the DGP.’”

The CM was the chief minister, Okram Ibobi. The DGP, or director general of police, was Yumnam Joykumar. (Jhalajit has publicly denied Herojit’s allegations, and he declined to be interviewed for this story. When we spoke to Joykumar, he rubbished Herojit’s claims, calling them an attempt to shift the blame.)

“What about the media?”

“‘I’ll take care of the media.’”

Jhalajit turned and announced that the gunmen had headed towards the Kangla Fort. He walked off in that direction, and the reporters ran after him.

“I went back in,” Herojit recalled. “I told the other guys to leave. Then I drew my pistol and shot Sanjit six times.” As he spoke, Herojit ran his hand over his chest, indicating the area.

Then, he said, he turned to the watch repairman, who was crouched on the floor, eyes flicking between Herojit’s face and his name badge. Herojit leaned over and held out the badge for the man to read. “I let him know that if he ever said a word, he’d be next.”

Afterwards, a flat-bed truck backed up through the gawking crowd. Sanjit’s body was lugged out of the pharmacy and lifted in. Herojit saw another body in the truck – it was a woman. In the initial burst of gunfire between the fleeing insurgent and the police, the woman, who was five months’ pregnant, had been hit in the right cheek by a stray bullet and killed. “Until then, I felt nothing. I never felt remorse about killing a man, but seeing a woman dead …” Suddenly, he said, there were tears in his eyes.

Back at the station, Herojit waited for an officer of the local unit to write up the false report, which he would sign. Then he returned to work. Later that day, in the Manipur state assembly, Chief Minister Ibobi announced that a PLA terrorist had just been taken down by state police.

But elsewhere in Imphal, a photographer was downloading the images he had shot near the scene of Sanjit’s death – first from across the street, and then up close, unnoticed in the commotion.

As he sifted through his photographs, he found himself watching the full sequence of an execution, frame by frame. There, in the late morning glare, a young man stood patiently with his captors. There he was being yanked into a store. Then being carried out by his hands and feet. Finally, laid out on the truck, one foot still in its rubber sandal.

The photographer ejected his memory card and destroyed it. Then he called Babloo Loitongbam – the only person he could trust. Through Babloo, the photographs reached the regional correspondent of Tehelka, a muckraking newsweekly headquartered in Delhi. Two weeks later, on August 9, the grisly montage of Sanjit’s death was a national cover story, headlined “Murder in Plain Sight”.

The images were reprinted internationally, including in the Guardian, and, of course, in every paper in Manipur. The outcry that followed was the greatest since the rape and killing of Manorama five years earlier. The naked protest in 2004 had been an invitation to rage, but the images of Sanjit’s execution in 2009 were both emblem and evidence. The commandos’ disgrace was multiplied by the death of the pregnant woman Rabina, who had her one-year-old child with her that day.

Protesters shut down the city for weeks. Imphal’s streets were choked with tear gas and the smoke of burning tyres. On 26 August, the police were compelled to register a complaint by Sanjit’s mother, alleging murder and illegal use of arms. Herojit was suspended again, along with eight others. That failed to calm the protests. Student unions shuttered schools and colleges, and kept them closed for four more months. Eventually, Chief Minister Ibobi agreed to transfer the case from the state police to a national agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation.

Herojit was interrogated, more than 10 times, he said. He stuck to the official account, as given in the police report: After the commandos found Sanjit holed up in the pharmacy, “all of a sudden the door flung open from inside and an unknown person fired upon us from inside, missing us by inches … In the retaliatory firing the armed youth was shot dead at the spot.”

In front of the investigators, Herojit recalled, “it was always the same question, put in a different manner: ‘Who gave the order?’” One day, from 9am to 11.30pm, they asked only that: “Who gave the order?” But he refused to cooperate.

Another day, the investigators asked him if he would invite them home for tea. Herojit thought about his quarters, the holes in the walls. “But I said, ‘Sure, I don’t have any problem.’” The moment they were in his house, Herojit told us, he realised it was a raid. They found his diaries. “Still, I felt I had done nothing wrong. Since they wanted it, I let them take it.”

The CBI found the police version of events to be a shambles. The crime scene had not been preserved, and the list of seized firearms was inconsistent. The postmortem report noted six entry and four exit-wounds in Sanjit’s body. Of the four bullets that passed through his liver and lungs, only one had been fired while Sanjit was standing – the other three had torn into his body when he was flat on the ground.

Sanjit did have a police record: In 1999, when he was 13, he had signed up with the PLA. He had been arrested, had spent a year in detention, and according to his family, had repented and reformed. On that morning in July, he and a friend had taken lunch to an uncle who was in hospital. Sanjit then went down to the market to fill out a prescription and collect a lab report. He never made it that far.

In September of 2010, Herojit was indicted for murder. Eight other commandos faced charges as well, from murder to falsifying records. They were among the first policemen to be charged with capital crimes in Manipur’s 30-year history of counter-insurgency. Despite the severity of the charges, the magistrate let the men out on bail. Still, Herojit began to contemplate the possibility of his own execution.

At first, the drugs seemed benign. Herojit was never a drinker, but now that he was on trial, he found that Spasmol, a prescription muscle-relaxant, helped him go to sleep. “After I was charged, I initially felt nothing, no agitation,” he said. “I thought I was protected by the government, my seniors.” As the trial progressed, however, he felt himself being pried apart from the police force. His officers never checked in on him. He had to pay his own legal fees, from a salary that had been slashed since his suspension. He was not always sure whether he was still in the police.

The institution that had shaped him, and to which he had shown total obedience since the age of 18, had deserted him. Herojit’s wife Ratna never blamed him, but she would lament how much he had trusted the force to take care of them – and how alone they felt now.

“I begged her to forget that part,” he said.

When the Spasmol stopped working, Herojit tried “No 4”, a type of heroin common in Manipur, also known as China white. He had civilian friends who injected, but he didn’t like the thought of that, so they showed him how No 4 could be smoked off foil or in a cigarette. “I was never on drugs to get high,” he said. “I used it during those sleepless nights when I couldn’t stop thinking.” Again, he didn’t intend for Ratna to know. He would light up in the evenings, in the quiet room at home, where he was meant to be tutoring his son.

“When she found out, she was furious.”

Apart from the nine low-ranking policemen facing trial, no one was held accountable. In 2012, Okram Ibobi won a third term as Manipur’s chief minister, making him one of India’s longest-serving state leaders. Jhalajit, who Herojit says ordered Sanjit’s killing, was promoted to superintendent of police. Over time, Herojit realised that he was being seen as a liability — and he knew how the police dealt with its liabilities.

Soon enough, they tried to get him out of the way. In 2014, he received orders to join a new unit, the 8 Indian Reserve Brigade at Khabeisoi, outside the city. The Khabeisoi camp had a reputation as a lawless outpost, even by Manipur’s standards. The police shared the camp with former militants, who were sheltered there under the terms of their surrender. They were “the wildest type”, Herojit says, boys hardened to murder and drugged up to their eyes, most recently on a type of meth from Myanmar referred to as WY — World Is Yours. Last December, one surrendered militant murdered a rival, cooked his flesh and served it to comrades at dinner.

As one of Herojit’s friends put it: “They were sending him off to become part of the menu.”

Herojit refused the transfer, and his salary was terminated. Now his family had no income at all, yet his drug-use intensified. He sank deeper into No 4 and his own regrets. “No matter how I was known then,” he thought, “Look at me now. No one comes to my rescue as I suffer.” His family suffered too. Some days they skipped a meal. Once, he says reluctantly, they couldn’t afford a bag of coal for the fire so he broke up a wooden stool. Next he chopped up an old door.

The final straw was when their home was raided by his own colleagues last December, and Herojit was hauled down to the station. He spent five or six hours in the lock-up, burning with humiliation. Then he was grilled about his links to insurgent gangs. He shook his head and said: “I told them, if they had any proof they could shoot me right there.”

Back at his quarters, blank days followed sleepless nights, and Herojit struggled towards a decision. He wanted to defy the code of omerta that existed within the police. “I wasn’t doing it out of revenge or anger,” he said. “But I became aware of how I had been used. I had been trained to blindly follow orders, without reason. That’s what I wanted to expose. That’s what I wanted to say, has to stop.”

“The idea was brewing for a while. To look back at all my deeds and understand if it was really the right thing to do. It’s not natural for me to be selfless, but in that phase of suffering I was inspired to do something unknown. I decided to spill it.”

In January of this year, he sent an SMS to the wife of a distant relative with political connections. She told him to come over, and he arrived at dawn, through chilly January fog. “He was a walking corpse,” she told me. “When I saw him then, I thought it was last time I would see him alive.” He told her everything. “Since then, I haven’t been sleeping well,” she said.

The first person she called for help was Babloo Loitongbam.

On 24 January, at a secret meeting with journalists in Babloo’s offices, Herojit confessed to having executed Sanjit in 2009. It was the first testimony from inside the force that “fake encounters” were not the work of callous constables, but had been sanctioned up the chain of command. Then, almost spontaneously, he made a guileless declaration about the extent of his other killings.

Before the news was broadcast, Herojit was spirited off to New Delhi for safety. His sole escort was Babloo, who had some experience smuggling activists out of Manipur. One day, as they were walking in Delhi’s Lodi Gardens, against a backdrop of winter flowers and Islamic tombs, Herojit asked Babloo how to face his own 11-year-old son, who would be learning at school about what his father had done. “Brother,” Herojit said, “how can a man respond, when his son asks him that?”

“You can say: ‘Yes, your father is a killer. But if he had the courage to kill, he also had the courage to tell the truth about it.’ You are the only person who has had that courage. If you disclose everything, getting a pardon won’t be easy, but it is honourable. Make that what your children know about you.”

Since 2013, Babloo had argued before the supreme court for a full investigation into all of the 1,528 fake encounters Eevfam had identified. But he knew there was almost no chance of that happening – even after a judge had exposed the murder of an innocent 12-year-old, no one had been punished.

He realised that Herojit’s confession could be a sort of catharsis – not just for the killer, but for the families of his victims, who had been denied any justice at all, and maybe even for Manipur itself, after decades of insurgency and state vengeance. “His case could be a first step toward a process of restorative justice,” Babloo said. “It opened a door to a whole new, higher moral ground.”

The next morning, there was problem. Herojit was tweaking and needed his fix. Babloo says he knew there was a culture of substance abuse in the commandos: “That kind of killing machine could only be built with the use of drugs.” He didn’t know what Herojit was using, and he didn’t plan to go hunting for it in New Delhi. Herojit announced he was flying back to Imphal.

At Tulihal airport, Herojit’s wife and family waited, jostled by a crowd of journalists. Though his story had not been big news in a country typically indifferent to events in the north-east, back in Manipur he was a sensation. The passengers exited. There was no sign of Herojit. Ratna waited four hours, and finally did what the commandos had forced so many other desperate families to do: she filed a missing persons’ report with the same police she believed had abducted him.

In fact, Herojit had disappeared on his own. Seeing the crowd at the arrival ramp, he had pulled his hoodie over his eyes, slipped through behind a bigger man, and headed straight to a friend’s place. “He’s still a cop,” Babloo observed. “He’s been a cop for 15 years. He may have jumped the fence, but that’s still his thought process.”

He reappeared on 30 January, in time to face the cameras in the Manipur Press Club. Wrapped in a scarf and a beige hoodie, with his palms pressed together before him, Herojit again confessed to killing Sanjit. “Because I am a murderer, I am ready for any penalty,” he said, almost inaudibly. “Even if it is death, I will accept it humbly.” But he had been made a scapegoat, he added. He asked that the other eight constables be absolved of a murder in which they had no part. As for his superiors – those he alleged had given the orders to kill – he hoped the public would demand to know who was truly responsible.

When questions came, everyone in the room wanted to know about his number of kills, the figure he had revealed four days earlier. Herojit became evasive, refused to confirm it, and the press conference was quickly wrapped up. The shrewd, combative instincts of a cop were pulling away from the confessional urge of an exhausted criminal.

By the time we met, in April this year, Herojit’s confession looked to have backfired. He had petitioned the court to investigate his claims about the chain of command, but his plea was rejected. A parallel petition by an unlikely ally – the mother of his victim, Sanjit – for investigators to revisit the case was brushed off as well. Herojit’s bosses remained untouched.

“Following my revelation, I thought, if justice is served, more people would come out,” Herojit said. “Since it’s not, they remain afraid”. And he was more exposed than ever: the only person facing justice was him. He would now admit only his role in Sanjit’s death – a case in which he was already as good as proven guilty. To speak of the other killings was too much of a risk.

The redemption of the killer cop was turning into a farce. In the public eye, it looked as though Herojit was trying to turn attention away from his own guilt toward the role of his commanders – and his confession began to seem like a calculated effort to pass the buck. To cynics in the courtroom, Herojit’s aim was only to implicate a higher officer, someone against whom he could plea-bargain to escape justice again. Without a full reckoning of all his own crimes – of all the victims before Sanjit – Herojit’s confession was becoming just another lie.

It was easier that way. The rest of Manipur would move on. Today, the rebellion in the Imphal Valley seems decisively ended. In the hills, too, it has dwindled to sporadic eruptions. The jealousies and resentments of the tribes of Manipur have turned back on one another, instead of at the state – India’s working definition of national integration. The commandos, too, have renounced the worst of their habits. A decades-long curfew has lifted. In Imphal’s blasted economy, there are new blooms of life: ATMs, espresso machines, a Thai eatery open well past sundown.

In the week after our first meetings, Herojit went into rehab. He says he came out clean. Privately, he still wondered if he should come out and confess it all – and then he got a grim reminder that he might not have much time. On April 30, the evening before what was to have been our final meeting, Herojit was driving a friend’s car on a darkened street. A minivan with no headlights and no registration plates swung into his path and rammed him head on. His hatchback was totalled, and Herojit was lucky to escape with only a fractured leg and a gashed forehead.

After that, Herojit was no longer evasive. “I mean to confess every case I can recall,” he said, “soon.” In early May, Herojit came to a room in the Hotel Imphal. He was on crutches, but despite his fresh injuries, he was alert and sardonic. He did not inform his minders, and brought only his teenage son. For the first time, Herojit began to talk in detail about all the other killings.

He fears for himself and his family, he said, but he thinks Babloo was right: if there’s a hope for his redemption, it lies on the other side of a moral act, not a legal manoeuvre. And behind that act lies a chance of redemption for Manipur – and for all of India’s defiant states where counter-insurgency has gone rogue.


“As humans we all die,” Herojit said, “But unless we come out about this, we’re all going to hell.”
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And he's only 35 yrs old? That's quite a life.

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Chinito I guess your answers make sense.
My question: was Shinieatra a Pinochet: achieving victory for his own clique despite controversy.
Or was he more of a Dubya, blowing shit up but leaving more of a mess...
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This guy is alpha as fuck, this is a interview/documentary done by Al Jazeera back in April.




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^^^ [Image: banana.gif] Gotta love a guy who is willing to tell what looks to be dozens of newly-wed men that he'll give their wives the D, at least for the humor of it [Image: smile.gif]. And that is only 3 minutes in!
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All joking aside, Durtete's methods seem to be nothing more than a quick fix for a lack of funding for police and the judicial system. Their sum effect probably reaps too much injustice when innocents are killed. Also, most of the drug related deaths likely aren't deserving of the death penalty.

He's a populist in a nation with relatively small problems, though admittedly their crime is a small (more easily solved) problem with large statistics. Controlling crime within a homogeneous population is mostly an issue of population control/education/economic policies and funding.

Strong men such as him are likely more appropriately utilized in cold war situations between populations that simple policy and funding solutions are unlikely to mitigate, or in cases where cartels have gotten too large and powerful.

The Philippines probably mostly requires a mix of more effective population control methods and creative ways to get more police on the street and the accused moved through the justice system.

In other words: less people, more police, and higher incomes. Though, any two of those three would likely work.

If none of those conditions are seen to be forthcoming, then I suppose a Durtete was inevitable. Crime has to get lowered somehow, but the method sure is dirty.
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Recent comments from Duterte.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...-son-btch/

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Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, notorious for using profanity liberally towards others in politics, told an audience of soldiers Friday that his recent meeting with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry went well but that U.S. Ambassador Philip Goldberg was a “homosexual” “son of a bitch” who “really annoys me.”

Duterte met with Kerry and Goldberg in late July to discuss the response to Manila winning an international court case against China at the Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague. Kerry, he told the audience Friday, is “okay, but I had an argument with their ambassador, that bakla [homosexual]. Son of a bitch, he really annoys me.” There is no record of Goldberg publicly identifying as gay, indicating Duterte meant to use the word purely derisively.

Duterte’s feud with Goldberg began while the former was still a presidential candidate. Goldberg issued a condemnation of a joke Duterte made on the campaign trail, suggesting that the gang rape of a young woman in Davao City, where he served as mayor for 22 years, was only a tragedy because he himself did not get to have sex with her first. “Any statements by anyone, anywhere that either degrade women or trivialize issues so serious as rape or murder, are not ones that we condone,” Goldberg said at the time.

Duterte responded then to Goldberg that he would sever all diplomatic ties with the United States if he became president in response to Goldberg’s condemnation, and that he would give the United States “a shit” if Goldberg did not “shut your mouth.” The rape remark landed Duterte in international news headlines and cemented his reputation abroad as loose-lipped and little concerned with maintaining a proper image.

On Friday, Duterte once again complained about Goldberg’s statement against his “joke.” “Interfering in elections, giving statements here and there. You’re not supposed to do that,” he complained.

Duterte also praised himself for insulting Americans. “This is great!” he told the audience, “let’s insult them again so these fools try to make amends again.” Kerry inked a deal for America to provide the Philippines with $32 million to use in Duterte’s war on drugs, a cornerstone of his presidential campaign.

Duterte has repeatedly insulted those that oppose his war on drugs. To eradicate drug traffickers and addicts, Duterte has enabled the police to shoot first, ask questions later, and encouraged armed civilians to kill drug suspects by providing a bounty comprised of his leftover campaign funds. His administration is demanding the Philippine Congress funnel more money into rehabilitation centers to encourage addicts who do not traffic drugs to come forward to police and abandon drug abuse; those who do not face death in a police shootout.

In response to Duterte’s campaign, an estimated 500,000 drug addicts have turned themselves into authorities so far.

While Duterte has encouraged rehabilitation for addicts, particularly abusers of “shabu,” or methamphetamine, he has called for the execution of drug traffickers on the streets. He has named the nation’s wealthiest drug traffickers, called out mayors and other politicians who enable toe trade, and repeatedly asserted he does not “care about human rights.” “If I order the killing of someone, you cannot arrest me, I have immunity,” he said in separate remarks Friday, drawing the ire of human rights organizations.

Rumors have circulated in Philippine media that mayors with ties to the drug trade have begged for private meetings with Duterte and cried before him, asking for police not to storm their homes.

Duterte’s National Police Chief, Director General Ronald dela Rosa, has said that conducting air strikes on the homes of “narco-mayors” is not out of the question: “If those providing them safe haven are armed, then we will request the Air Force to bomb the place.”

I wonder what the ambassador (((GOLDBERG))) said specifically? By all accounts Duterte is pretty cool if you are down to earth and cool too.

So i'm going to assume the ambassador came across as an uppity bureaucrat faggot and was direspectful which isn't altogether unsurprising. Another Obama appointee.

Duterte is a straight baller though. You call the U.S. ambassador a faggot and the U.S. government still gives you $32 million for your death squads.

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Yeah that Goldberg does sound like a faggot.

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You call the U.S. ambassador a faggot and the U.S. government still gives you $32 million for your death squads.

What should we call that... Diplomicucked?

In all seriousness... the guy's known for his death squads rampaging around killing people, and this faggot is hung up on some shit he said about a raped chick? Pull your fucking head out of your ass!

Cuck's will stop at nothing to appear to be "civil, sensitive, and modern"

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Quote: (08-08-2016 02:49 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

All joking aside, Durtete's methods seem to be nothing more than a quick fix for a lack of funding for police and the judicial system. Their sum effect probably reaps too much injustice when innocents are killed. Also, most of the drug related deaths likely aren't deserving of the death penalty.

The Philippines has very much been a basket case for at least 40 years now. The reason is political tribalism, endemic corruption, muslim separatism, and also the drug trade which exacerbates all this. There is a point when corruption is so embedded that the justice system does not really function anymore. You saw the same problems in Colombia which was on the brink of being a failed state before the U.S. and other neighboring countries had to finally step in.

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He's a populist in a nation with relatively small problems, though admittedly their crime is a small (more easily solved) problem with large statistics. Controlling crime within a homogeneous population is mostly an issue of population control/education/economic policies and funding.

Yes all these things and the lack thereof are definitely a problem. The Philippines is a collection of islands with their own powerful multi-generation ruling policial families which function as a nation. The central government is on the main island. This makes things extremely difficult to plan and implement because you can think of the Philippines as a loose alliance of fiefdoms.

There are certain areas which are beyond the control of the civilian and military authority of the central governments. The main problem is resources. How can the government police and institute law and order in areas where the militias there vastly outnumber (in local civilian terms) as well as outgun them? No to mention they are financed by the drug trade, local tribalism, along with piracy (not the online kind) as well as standard corruption.

People don't realize how bloody local Philippines' politics are. Assassinations are very common in the provincial areas. The central government does try to push things in a more civil direction by putting in their people but they often get hamstrung by local power plays or outright killed.

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Strong men such as him are likely more appropriately utilized in cold war situations between populations that simple policy and funding solutions are unlikely to mitigate, or in cases where cartels have gotten too large and powerful.

The Philippines is very much at war. This is not hyperbole. They have been at war for a long time now and have ongoing operations with the U.S. military under operation: Enduring freedom.

The breakaway islamic separatist regions of the Philippines are everything I said above and worse. They are just as bad as ISIS and are globally connected too. They kidnap, torture, behead, and do all the standard insurgent things. The local population are either sympathetic or outright cowed because they know the central authority has no sway there.

There was a recent incident where an entire company plus of combined commandos, regular infantry, and cavalry support were surrounded by militants in a setup ambush and 18+ killed and many more wounded.

Abu Sayaff claims they killed a CIA officer in a related ambush too which the U.S. and the Philippines government denies. However, it's entirely believable that a U.S. paramilitary officer advisor was killed also.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/11/world/....html?_r=0

Some U.S. army special forces 1st group as well as CIA advisors are deployed in the Philippines. Not sure how extensive the personnel are stationed in the Philippines but i'm sure their influence and hands on activities are substantial.

The situation is very complex in the Philippines and goes beyond normal developing world drug problems.
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Not that I condone the behaviour but.... they should do this to all the gangs in South America, like in El Salvador.

Such fucking mindless cretins:

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Quote: (08-09-2016 11:56 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Yeah that Goldberg does sound like a faggot.

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You call the U.S. ambassador a faggot and the U.S. government still gives you $32 million for your death squads.

What should we call that... Diplomicucked?

In all seriousness... the guy's known for his death squads rampaging around killing people, and this faggot is hung up on some shit he said about a raped chick? Pull your fucking head out of your ass!

Cuck's will stop at nothing to appear to be "civil, sensitive, and modern"

My hope is it's a payment to be sure to keep the American ex-pats out the mess that's going on.
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Jamaican police still rule the world with in extrajudicial killings @ solid 33% of all Jamaican homicides culminating in nearly 1200 homicides in 2015. With the same population as Chiraq but tripling its murder stats.
The Phillipines outside of Manila and General Santos/Davos City are relatively lawless.
Par for the course, if you know what I mean.
I am sure like the Ferdiand Marcos-Corey Aquino assasination, a lot of political enemies were also mistakenly shot as "suspected drug dealers."
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Duterte ripping on Obama recently.

From the AP:

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Duterte tells Obama not to question him about killings
TERESA CEROJANO, Associated Press


MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte warned President Barack Obama on Monday not to question him about extrajudicial killings, or "son of a bitch I will swear at you" when they meet in Laos during a regional summit.


Duterte said before flying to Laos that he is a leader of a sovereign country and is answerable only to the Filipino people. He was answering a reporter's question about how he intends to explain the extrajudicial killings to Obama. More than 2,000 suspected drug pushers and users have been killed since Duterte launched a war on drugs after taking office on June 30.

In his typical foul-mouthed style, Duterte responded: "I am a president of a sovereign state and we have long ceased to be a colony. I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody. You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions. Putang ina I will swear at you in that forum," he said, using the Tagalog phrase for son of a bitch.



Duterte has earlier cursed the pope and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

It isn't clear whether Obama plans to raise the issue of extrajudicial killings with Duterte during a meeting on the sidelines of the summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.


"Who is he to confront me?" Duterte said, adding that the Philippines had not received an apology for misdeeds committed during the U.S. colonization of the Philippines.

He pointed to the killing of Muslim Moros more than a century ago during a U.S. pacification campaign in the southern Philippines, blaming the wounds of the past as "the reason why (the south) continues to boil" with separatist insurgencies.

Duterte also pointed to human rights problems in the United States.

Last week, Duterte said he was ready to defend his bloody crackdown on illegal drugs, which has sparked concern from the U.S. and other countries.

Duterte said he would demand that Obama allow him to first explain the context of his crackdown before engaging the U.S. president in a discussion of the deaths.

The White House had no immediate reaction to Duterte's comments. Obama has been attending a meeting of the Group of 20 nations in Hangzhou, China.

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MANILA: -- Barack Obama has cancelled a meeting scheduled with the President of the Philippines after Rodrigo Duterte swore at him during a press conference.

It comes after Washington expressed concern about a surge in drug-related killings since Duterte became president two months ago promising to wipe out narcotics.

More than 2,400 people have been killed since Duterte took office on June 30.

Campaigners have raised the question of extrajudicial killings.

Hardliner Duterte warned Barack Obama not to question him over the surge in drug-related killings since Duterte took office two months ago.


Addressing the media on his arrival for the ASEAN summit in Laos, Duterte finished with a choice phrase in his native Tagalog, using the phrase “Son of a w***e”.


“I am a president of a sovereign state and we have long ceased to be a colony. I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody. You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions,” Duterte said when asked by journalists before his departure to Laos when asked if Obama might raise the issue on extrajudicial killings in their meeting.



Speaking at the end of the G20 in China, Obama said this might not be the right time for talks.


“Historically, our relationship with the Philippines is one of the most important and my relationship with the Philippines people has been extraordinary warm and productive, so I expect that will continue, but I want to make sure that the setting is right, the timing is right for us to have the best conversation possible.”

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Obama can't really do jack shit about this except cancel a meeting in "protest" of being called a son of a whore...which is actually fact isn't it?

At this point Obama is a lame duck and is on his way out and Duterte knows that too.

Plus everyone in Congress and the Pentagon knows that the Philippines is important in the asia pivot policy to try and contain China. The Philippines may need the U.S more than the other way around but the U.S. absolutely can't discard that relationship either over some drug dealers and street trash getting capped.

Duterte can pretty much say and do whatever he wants. In addition to the wild west cowboy style mop up of the streets he's actually doing a fine job cleaning up some of the high level corruption too.

Duterte is the man.
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