[Easy_C]

(08-02-2016 07:48 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Too much helicopter parenting has made today's teens and twentysomethings into eternal children. They're like the 11-year-olds of generations past: Sexless and uncurious.

Constant monitoring -- and the expectation of such monitoring -- means kids become arrested in their development. They never got a chance to get out and experience life in an unstructured setting.

Ya know, I hate jumping in without a lot to contribute but this is one of the most brilliant observations on here.

It touches onto something that every redpill person should know about which is the school system's origins in the Prussian system, which was designed to train males to function in highly structured factory and military jobs.

One can see why that would be appealing to the master planners types. People who stay within the bounds of structured experiences make much better consumers, laborers, and party-line voters. In a word it makes people submissive.

[sixsix]

I have yet to read through the entire thread but my first reaction to this increasingly common narrative is:

"Millennials are having less sex than previous generations."

Does NOT imply:

"Millennials are less promiscuous than previous generations."

Most decent people will feel reassured reading their children's generation is not as slutty as they think. But from personal experience things have been pretty out of control on the measures that most people care about: number of sexual partners, safe sex, committed relationships.

I have a lot more sex now that I'm in a committed relationship with a great girl than when I was sleeping around, even compared to when I was seeing four girls regularly. So is today's youth less promiscuous? Or do they have less sex because they have more one-night-stands, rebounds, pump-and-dumps and other relationships that decrease emotional well-being and increase the risk of disease?

Like I said, I haven't read it yet. But I do know that it has become very normal for many people, men and women alike, to sleep around in an unsafe way with stranger after stranger where the frequency of intercourse per week is not very high.

[Hotwheels]

To me this sounds like Japan. The US is just a few years behind.

[JacksonRev]

(08-03-2016 07:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

I have yet to read through the entire thread but my first reaction to this increasingly common narrative is:

"Millennials are having less sex than previous generations."

Does NOT imply:

"Millennials are less promiscuous than previous generations."

Most decent people will feel reassured reading their children's generation is not as slutty as they think. But from personal experience things have been pretty out of control on the measures that most people care about: number of sexual partners, safe sex, committed relationships.

I have a lot more sex now that I'm in a committed relationship with a great girl than when I was sleeping around, even compared to when I was seeing four girls regularly. So is today's youth less promiscuous? Or do they have less sex because they have more one-night-stands, rebounds, pump-and-dumps and other relationships that decrease emotional well-being and increase the risk of disease?

Like I said, I haven't read it yet. But I do know that it has become very normal for many people, men and women alike, to sleep around in an unsafe way with stranger after stranger where the frequency of intercourse per week is not very high.

Pretty much. Less men have sex, but those that do pump and dump more women. Leading to smart women like Sam Wei or Melania Knavs getting off the carousel.

The less sex is a natural reaction to a heavily promiscuous society. We're people, not rabbits. People need strong, consistent relationships. When they're just shuffled about randomly, they shut down.

This, combined with porn and the constant attacks on normal sex roles, means less people have sex.

This is what normal people that have loads of sex look like:

[Kid Twist]

(08-02-2016 04:23 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Millennials not having sex as much as older generations? Complete bollocks.

Its just that fewer men are fucking more women and the women who aren't getting fucked are either fat lesbian dykes, lipstick lesbians, man haters, low sex drive women or virgins who are scared some guy wants to shove his dick up her anus on the first date.

I know 2 guys who have run through a couple dozen girls in the past year in my gym. The rest of the guys just aren't getting it. Same goes for society.

That was my post above.

But society doesn't think like the red pill people, who know the 80-20 or 85-15 rule.

[Foolsgo1d]

If you want red pill go to your local sexual health clinic on a Monday or after holiday events (a week or so). If you knew a nurse or Doctor who worked in these clinics they'd tell you all sorts.

High risk groups, what age group gets infected the most through raw dog, multiple partners, demographs. Its a gold mine.

I predict the UK will see a huge rise in STD/STI rates because the NHS is going to be paying for a new drug that inhibits HIV transmission rates. Its the last taboo and HIV/AIDs isn't a drawback in hetero sex anyway unless you're fucking drug users but there will be very little to keep you from not using a rubber once it becomes common knowledge.

[Dr. Howard]

Interesting article.

I am too old to speak competently on the issue but it seems like nowadays if you want to have sex you have to be very conscious about it like "Today I am going to get laid!" and hit on women and get online etc. There is no passive pussy anymore.

Contrast that to 20 years ago even. Without the internet you had to interact with people to socialize. Even if your and your friends were all a bunch of fat nerds, at some point in time you'd all be in the same place, with some booze and maybe even 1 or 2 horrific ham beasts that were also drunk, horny and curious. Shit would just 'kind of happen'

Today there is zero chance of that occurring for a guy (yes for a girl, she just has to hang herself out online) which destroys the left tail end of who was getting laid before. Today, the barriers to getting laid are higher, but once you are past it, you can get laid just about as much as you want.

[Matsufubu]

Everything is too easy, you don't have to work at anything. Promiscuity is the standard rather than taboo, so getting laid is just a matter of adjusting your standards - not something women are particularly willing to do, so both sexes suffer.

When something is too easy, it implies that it lacks worth. What's the point of making an effort to get laid when making no effort can get you laid by lowering your standards, or just whack it to porn for a guy, or just go dry and seize up for a woman?

Hence sex for Millennial becomes "meh", and there are other ways of getting your dopamine fix. Look at pre-millennial films such as Porky's, American Pie, Weird Science, etc. Sex is a prize, something the guys do anything for, an obsession they risk things for. Are films like this being made now? Serious question, I don't know. Now you see stuff like Friends with Benefits, where the attitude to sex is more devalued.

Millennial don't value sex because it's become just another thing to do. "Meh".

Thank God I'm not a teenager - I don't envy the kids entering the dating market.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I noticed people keep discussing the Asian woman in this story. I've also noticed more and more Indian and Muslim women in the ranks of Millennials.

It's my opinion that the reason Millennials have less sex is that women from these more traditional cultures are less likely to want to engage in it because of family/religious/cultural pressure.

Back in the Gen X days, there were simply not a lot of Asian or Indian women around. And we didn't usually think about dating them. Because if you did, the price tag was that you sort of had to date the whole family or put up with their super-human study schedule.

These women were of a different breed than the white girls I knew, who liked to listen to rock music, have a few drinks, and screw. They were often extremely uptight about sex.

I spoke earlier in the thread about my folks letting me run wild and how that helped me to grow up. Well, the Asian and Indian kids I knew definitely were not running wild. Their parents made the most overprotective white parents look devil-may-care by comparison.

Now here is the kicker: The girls tended to be uptight about sex even if they dressed very sexy. The sexy clothes, I found, were for the sake of stylishness, not to get men excited. They often didn't connect the two. (I'm talking Asian girls here; Indian girls and Muslims tended not to dress sexy at all.)

If you take people from a traditional culture and keep placing more and more of them in the host culture, they start to influence the host culture. That's what we might be seeing here.

Catholics had a similar influence on the general public back in the early 20th century when scads of Italians and Irish immigrated. They got Hollywood to pass the sex-phobic Motion Picture Production Code when they were barely ten percent of the population.

[Kish]

One word: Obesity!

[Menace]

I don't believe anything girls say. I doubly don't believe anything girls say in a publication. Girls perceive reality differently from us. They have less-than rigorous rules for what counts as sex and what doesn't. Also, all social "science" claims are suspect in my opinion.

[Cattle Rustler]

Also, what kind of girl wants to say she's a slut in public?

Remember the rule of 3 boys.

[Laner]

(08-03-2016 02:54 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I noticed people keep discussing the Asian woman in this story. I've also noticed more and more Indian and Muslim women in the ranks of Millennials.

It's my opinion that the reason Millennials have less sex is that women from these more traditional cultures are less likely to want to engage in it because of family/religious/cultural pressure.

Back in the Gen X days, there were simply not a lot of Asian or Indian women around. And we didn't usually think about dating them. Because if you did, the price tag was that you sort of had to date the whole family or put up with their super-human study schedule.

These women were of a different breed than the white girls I knew, who liked to listen to rock music, have a few drinks, and screw. They were often extremely uptight about sex.

I spoke earlier in the thread about my folks letting me run wild and how that helped me to grow up. Well, the Asian and Indian kids I knew definitely were not running wild. Their parents made the most overprotective white parents look devil-may-care by comparison.

Now here is the kicker: The girls tended to be uptight about sex even if they dressed very sexy. The sexy clothes, I found, were for the sake of stylishness, not to get men excited. They often didn't connect the two. (I'm talking Asian girls here; Indian girls and Muslims tended not to dress sexy at all.)

If you take people from a traditional culture and keep placing more and more of them in the host culture, they start to influence the host culture. That's what we might be seeing here.

Catholics had a similar influence on the general public back in the early 20th century when scads of Italians and Irish immigrated. They got Hollywood to pass the sex-phobic Motion Picture Production Code when they were barely ten percent of the population.

I have often laughed at the idea of Sharia Law being pushed on Asian women. The revolt would be staggering.

And yeah for the most part, Asian wearing skimpy clothing revealing hot lingerie does not equal a slut. They tend to hold out longer, yet still maintain an attitude of less sexual hang ups. I have never been denied sex from an Asian due to the same hangups that might stop a Western minded woman.

Also, Asian women are ruthless with friendzoning their male peers. I have had girls invite me over, only to chase out some poor guy who was obviously in love with her. His downcast eyes, and his defeated body language was painful to witness.

So what guys have been saying about self imposed celibacy on the part of the Asian girl is true. I have called Japanese women Sexual Camels.
An attractive woman can go years without sex but when the right guy comes around- whoosh!

[bigrich]

And the nation's birthrate continues to fall. This is true across groups even those you would expect to have higher birth rates like black women and Hispanic women (immigrant and US born). So a significant group of people refuse to have sex and another significant group refuse to have children in our society. But, this is the greatest America has ever been according to the establishment.

[Dr. Howard]

(08-03-2016 04:13 PM)bigrich Wrote:  

And the nation's birthrate continues to fall. This is true across groups even those you would expect to have higher birth rates like black women and Hispanic women (immigrant and US born). So a significant group of people refuse to have sex and another significant group refuse to have children in our society. But, this is the greatest America has ever been according to the establishment.

New Trump Platform. Make America Bang Again.

[WalterBlack]

(08-03-2016 02:54 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I noticed people keep discussing the Asian woman in this story. I've also noticed more and more Indian and Muslim women in the ranks of Millennials.

It's my opinion that the reason Millennials have less sex is that women from these more traditional cultures are less likely to want to engage in it because of family/religious/cultural pressure.

Back in the Gen X days, there were simply not a lot of Asian or Indian women around. And we didn't usually think about dating them. Because if you did, the price tag was that you sort of had to date the whole family or put up with their super-human study schedule.

These women were of a different breed than the white girls I knew, who liked to listen to rock music, have a few drinks, and screw. They were often extremely uptight about sex.

I spoke earlier in the thread about my folks letting me run wild and how that helped me to grow up. Well, the Asian and Indian kids I knew definitely were not running wild. Their parents made the most overprotective white parents look devil-may-care by comparison.

Now here is the kicker: The girls tended to be uptight about sex even if they dressed very sexy. The sexy clothes, I found, were for the sake of stylishness, not to get men excited. They often didn't connect the two. (I'm talking Asian girls here; Indian girls and Muslims tended not to dress sexy at all.)

If you take people from a traditional culture and keep placing more and more of them in the host culture, they start to influence the host culture. That's what we might be seeing here.

I disagree - I'm of an Indian background...there's a lot of Indian and Muslim women who fuck around. They're just good at hiding it. Just because these women don't act openly slutty, it doesn't mean that they don't sleep around. I've banged many Indian and Muslim women in secret, I remember one Muslim who even used to book and pay for hotel rooms so I could bang her

As for Asian women, a couple of years ago I did a bit if dumpster diving and met a slightly chubby Japanese-American woman for a coffee. She was very shy and quiet and worked as a teacher. From first impressions, you would never think anything about her, she seemed very conservative.

As we were getting in each other cars to drive home, she told me she wanted to give me something before I left. She started crying and said I was really nice to her and then she blew me. After I came she said she had to leave and went home.

She texts me the next day and I invite her to my place. She says she really likes me but says it's too early for full sex. She blows me multiples time and carries on until I can't handle it anymore. Afterwards she confesses that she's slept with around 100 guys in the last two years, of all races except Asian. She said she done threesomes with 2 guys multiple times. After I heard that I was kind of glad I never banged her.

That's just one - I'm sure there's many more out there like her.

There's plenty of women who slut it up, it's just that many Indians, east Asian and Muslim women won't be open about it.

As for their cultures being influential, beyond the food and some of the fashion, I wouldn't say mainstream cultures don't care too much for these cultures.

Do you think these girls



would be interested hanging out with her:



or her



or her?

[Kapostatus13]

I can confirm that Indian women are freaks. Especially women that have been raised in western countries. I'm also of a East Indian background and these women are fucking like jack rabbits. They are very discrete about there sexuality and portray a image of conservatism. This look is deceiving, of course you will find more conservative Indian women. These women usually tend to be really nerd, have serious self confidence issues, or are foreign Indian women. A full blown western Indian women is down to get nasty. There are good Indian girls and these women usually have boyfriends and are in long term monogamous relationships. But there definitely are a lot of indian freaks in western countries, I can confirm this.

[N°6]

(08-02-2016 09:15 PM)AWright Wrote:  

Got this from a reddit post, but it's based on the figures in the article. 5.4% of women Millenials haven't had sex but 15% overall haven't had sex. To get that number, assuming an equal number of men and women, that means 24.6 percent of men haven't had sex from age 18-24.

For those born in the 60s, it was 2.3% of women, and 6% overall, meaning 9.7% of men born in the 60s hadn't had it.

So for women, it went from 97.7% having sexto 94.6%

For men, it went from 91.3% to 75.4.
Scientific results for hypergamy.

Very interesting. I recall the recent study that suggested that only 40% of men in history reproduced while 80% of women did the same.

Men's reproductive rates are much higher today as we still live under the influence of centuries of Christian "one man - one wife" teaching but social liberalisation, like fiscal liberalisation, sees the value of the commodity in question decrease with increased supply but also sees the supply of the commodity shift to the top 20%.

Your post seems to prove that social and sexual liberalisation and the ending of the one man - (young) wife ideal has shut a lot of men out of the market.

[StrikeBack]

(08-03-2016 07:15 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

I have yet to read through the entire thread but my first reaction to this increasingly common narrative is:

"Millennials are having less sex than previous generations."

Does NOT imply:

"Millennials are less promiscuous than previous generations."

Most decent people will feel reassured reading their children's generation is not as slutty as they think. But from personal experience things have been pretty out of control on the measures that most people care about: number of sexual partners, safe sex, committed relationships.

I have a lot more sex now that I'm in a committed relationship with a great girl than when I was sleeping around, even compared to when I was seeing four girls regularly. So is today's youth less promiscuous? Or do they have less sex because they have more one-night-stands, rebounds, pump-and-dumps and other relationships that decrease emotional well-being and increase the risk of disease?

Like I said, I haven't read it yet. But I do know that it has become very normal for many people, men and women alike, to sleep around in an unsafe way with stranger after stranger where the frequency of intercourse per week is not very high.

I agree with this assessment.

The RVFers who have been around I'm sure can tell from looking at a woman whether she gets fucked good and regularly. Look at the Millennial girls around you - do you see an abundance of happy and relaxed looking women? Or a lot of grumpy, scowling ones, who don't look like they are satisfied? They can be more promiscuous (meaning have a high notch count) but they don't have sex that frequently.

The same thing can be said of many players as well except maybe the very best. I'm the same as sixsix, in a committed relationship with a great girl and we have sex 1-2 times a day, every day. I bet I have more sex in a week than most players, even though players would have a higher notch count, obviously.

With the decrease in LTR among Millennials, it makes a lot of sense that they don't have as much sex as previous generations, but at the same time, they can be way more promiscuous. However, as we know, a significant minority of these Millennials are not getting anything at all, and this includes the women as well. Guys on the manosphere sometimes overvalue the attention they get on dating sites. Not all of them are on dating sites, and not all can go through with picking a random guy to fuck from the long list of offers.

[azulsombra]

(08-02-2016 02:13 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

Saw this earlier thanks for posting.

Virgin-Bro with the "Post of the Day" in this article:



“Third-wave feminists seem to be crazy, saying that all men are participating in this rape culture.”

Dude is still very young, has a chance to evolve, especially after he reads some red pill truths left in the comments section.

That dude is 18?
He looks 22 at least.
I couldn't grow facial hair like that until I was 25.

[The Beast1]

(08-04-2016 03:10 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 02:13 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

Saw this earlier thanks for posting.

Virgin-Bro with the "Post of the Day" in this article:



“Third-wave feminists seem to be crazy, saying that all men are participating in this rape culture.”

Dude is still very young, has a chance to evolve, especially after he reads some red pill truths left in the comments section.

That dude is 18?
He looks 22 at least.
I couldn't grow facial hair like that until I was 25.

This is something else that needs to be discussed.

Young people are looking older, especially women. If I shave and moisturize my face I can fake looking like I'm 21 and in college.

I went to a college party once at the ripe age of 26 and I swear I blended in with the kids.

When I was in college, the freshmen looked like kids. Nowadays they look like they're in their mid 20s.

[Easy_C]

Walter, gotta hand it you. What your talking about is real game.


Take note posters. What he is talking about is generally how women treat what they perceive as top tier males. The same women that have no problem stringing along a simp will immediately turn around almost literally letting a real player walk over them like a doormat or giving him any hole he wants for just a chance to be let back on the rollercoaster that is his life.

[RandomGuy1]

I would say shut down the Internet and see what happens.

Then people would be more forced to interact with each other in real life rather via some stupid apps. Guys here said it before, everything they want is just a click away and this is the real issue here in my opinion. Think of it when people don't have quick access to porn or dating via Tinder and stuff. They would of course adapt and go out again and so would their sex rate increase -> more babies -> ....

But nobody will shut down the Internet and therefor will these generations become even more sexless and what not. Wait before this virtual reality stuff really kicks in.

It's a blessing and curse the same time - otherwise as a guy who is aware of this why not just leverage this fact in terms of your goals.

Just my .02 cent

[Mikan]

Self reported surveys concerning sexual activity and opinions are some of the least worthwhile forms of "data" possible. And that is when they are 100% anonymous. If there is even a (perceived) 1% chance that someone might discern your identity (a TA sees your answers over your shoulder etc), women will lie 100% of the time. Men will lie about partner count and prevalence of contraceptive use etc, but women will literally make up a 'character' in their heads out of whole cloth and give "her" answers to all the questions. Most serious social scientists don't even bother with self reported data regarding sex, relationships and women respondents; the answers are as useless as they are false. They don't bother with men due to a combination of dishonesty and the fact that no one (who funds this shit) gives a rats ass about men and relationships unless it concerns increasing the marriage rate or finding unpaid child support.

There is some promising scholarship on two interesting topics concerning increasing the amount of useful data. The first is the theory that the lies are predictable; that when faced with these surveys on sex and relationships (and politics and drug use) people with the same Truths(partner count, STD history etc) tell very similar lies. This is similar to the rule of 3 referenced in this thread; whatever a women tells you her partner count is, triple it. Also there is the concept of Adjacent Questions, if two behaviors have a very high correlation (>.75 or so), and one is very likely to be lied about, just ask the innocent seeming Adjacent Question.

Lastly, there is a type of experiment that has been around for some time called the List Experiment which has demonstrated an ability to "trick" the truth out of a large aggregate of respondents. Its currently gaining increased popularity among researchers and has demonstrated effectiveness sufficiently to be called by some Statistical Truth Serum.

Good Overview.
http://imai.princeton.edu/projects/sensitive.html

More indepth explanation of the mechanics of the List Experiment.
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.to...hSerum.pdf

[beta_plus]

Women have gotten disgustingly fat in the last 27 years. That's pretty much it.