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Quote: (08-02-2016 01:53 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Regarding the Chinese girl above, she's of middling attractiveness. Not ugly, but not a looker. Most likely, she realizes, correctly, that she can't snag one of Chicago's Loop's high-end men and isn't easily satisfied with a middling attractiveness beta males. Instead, she chooses Netflix and other emotional wound covers. I feel sad for her almost, as I spent a lot of time in Chicago and know her type so well.

I say she's a liar. She's decent for an AZN. WB. She's likely getting pumped and dumped on the regular by someone. And remember we're dealing with the female version of logic here. I've no doubt you've heard of "anal-only virgins?" Girls who claim they're still virgins because they've only sucked dick and been assfucked. You'll encounter them in some religious circles. She'll rationalize that the alpha fuckboy she banged on Tuesday night doesn't go on her notch count because he didn't commit or some shit like that.

What Foolsgol1d said.

Plenty of sex is still happening, it's just the sex is disproportionately spread out.

A small group of men is getting laid regularly, with the rest either getting the occasional scrap or nothing at all.

Meanwhile, note that unlike the virginal dudes in the article, female Sam has actually had sex--just not recently, as I suspect she hasn't been able to find a sufficiently alpha cock to jump on in the last 18 months and so would rather turn betas into cuddle bitches. I suspect that's fairly representative for a lot of women in America.

Quote: (08-02-2016 04:44 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

She's decent for an AZN.

No she's not.

Sex is different today. You have more women in their 20s who have never had sex. You also have more women in their 20s licking some alpha sperm off of dirty floors than before too. The result is the same, less women are getting pregnant.

The article seems more MGTOW. Millennials are either not having sex because they are taught all sex is rape....or their phones are the new "orgasmotrons". Its easier to get the freeporn than meet the ugly broad on the corner who may accuse you of rape because she feels guilty about her last encounter with you. If you have sex, kill the baby. Its for women's health.

You have to fuck to survive. Marriage at one time provided a vehicle for proper relationships, sex, and reproduction. If the article is true there is nothing surprising about it.

A quick realization: America is literally Bangkok for asian women.

Quote: (08-02-2016 02:56 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Quote: (08-02-2016 02:37 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (08-02-2016 01:53 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Regarding the Chinese girl above, she's of middling attractiveness. Not ugly, but not a looker. Most likely, she realizes, correctly, that she can't snag one of Chicago's Loop's high-end men and isn't easily satisfied with a middling attractiveness beta males. Instead, she chooses Netflix and other emotional wound covers. I feel sad for her almost, as I spent a lot of time in Chicago and know her type so well.

I bet she wants the following so can feel "attracted" to someone and put out.

• Caucasian
• Over 6 feet
• 10% body fat
• Lives inside Chicago's Loop
• Ivy League Degree
• Mid-6 Figure Income, 6 figs won't cut it.
• 1M+ Net Worth
• 12-inch cock
• Body like Zyzz
  

Ding, ding, ding. Her natural mate is probably a shorter Chinese guy with high 5 figures income. The problem is, she just isn't attracted to him. So many Asian girls like this are some of the biggest stealth racists around. They will only date (aka sleep with in hopes of commitment) with white guys out of their league. She's representative of the bigger, better deal so many of this generation have. It affects men too. We see nothing but an endless stream of 18 year old 9's and 10's and via porn, and then we look at this Chinese 5 or 6, and think, meh, not exciting. Technology is having an impact on all but the most desirable of people, and I think is killing a bit of our humanity in the process.

Just look at Zuckerberg, a frumpy Asian med student was able to pull a billionaire Jewish white dude.

More men and women are sitting this one out. Besides the odd drunken hookup, many of these fat women are going sexless. Its also part of the reason that they go so hard into 'tribes', i.e blue hair, wack fashion, etc. Because the guys in those circles are doing the same plays.

But there is also something else going on.

A while back I met one of the prettiest Japanese girls I have ever seen. So much so that I stopped in my tracks and shook my head. I had to have this girl.

We went out and things seemed to be going OK. Keep in mind its a Japanese girl so any amount of crazy could be running through her head at any moment. But she seemed to be normal, maybe a bit shy on touching but that's typical (it was in public).

We got back to my place and I tried to put down the power move but she was visibly taken aback. She said that she does not think that men and women should have sex, that they were better off as non sexual friends. I laughed but asked her how this works, and she said that all her friends thought like this.

We never saw each other again, but its stayed in my mind ever since. Whenever I see a socially awkward millennial, I just think to myself that they are not having sex. Or in the case of some girls, they are getting railed by new guys two at a time.

The 80/20 rule just might be more accurate for this generation than any other in the history of mankind.

Quote: (08-02-2016 05:51 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

A quick realization: America is literally Bangkok for asian women.

What does this mean?

Quote: (08-02-2016 07:10 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

Quote: (08-02-2016 05:51 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

A quick realization: America is literally Bangkok for asian women.

What does this mean?

American men have tons of options when it comes to women in Thailand, whereas American women can choose from many men (at least for sex, not so much for commitment) from American men who more often than not put up with blubber and attitude.

This article and what it says can't be viewed in a vacuum. It goes along with other ones: In the past decade, fewer teens are driving ("The Decline of the Driver's License") and using drugs.

Too much helicopter parenting has made today's teens and twentysomethings into eternal children. They're like the 11-year-olds of generations past: Sexless and uncurious.

Constant monitoring -- and the expectation of such monitoring -- means kids become arrested in their development. They never got a chance to get out and experience life in an unstructured setting.

The quotes from this article make it seem like these kids can't relate to sex partially because it is, in fact, a non-structured activity that doesn't come with adult supervision or "educators" that offer guidance and advice.

I blame parents for creating the unnatural setting that robbed these people of their natural desire. We couldn't wait to get licenses and have sex. The very fact that this generation says "meh" should set off alarm bells.

The way my parents' generation raised Generation X would seem irresponsible to today's parents.. But in order for kids to grow up, they have to be LEFT THE HELL ALONE.

Think of sex as a habit. If you don't start at a relatively young age, it's hard to take to it naturally.

As a teenager, my folks could care less if I had my girlfriend in my bedroom. And they would constantly take trips out of state and leave me alone with my girlfriend, who lived down the street.

Their rules? "Replace the food you eat, don't disturb the neighbors with your loud music, and don't get (name redacted) pregnant." The end.

What did we learn as we romped around naked at ages 16-18? We learned "Hey, this is fun!" We also learned sex was a good way to relate to each other.

It became second nature. It was what you did, like getting a license and having a beer. But today's teens are so cocooned, the very environment that allowed for us to flourish isn't even in place anymore.

If you want to know what life was like between teens and parents for the Gen X crowd, watch some of the old teen movies like "Risky Business" or "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." They really didn't know what THE HELL we were up to, and they didn't think they needed to. We were called Young Adults for a reason.

Who would have though that all these years later my "square" parents from the "American Graffiti" era would end up seeming cool in retrospect. I should take them out to dinner and thank them for spending weeks away at the beach and in New York and leaving me alone to become a man, not sexless eunuchs like the people in this article.

It's the same here in Aus. Drinking and drug use have both declined on average compared to even 10 years ago.

This is anecdotal evidence but I'm currently dating a millennial and her friends don't go out anywhere near as much as my friends and I did at her age. When they do go out they don't party as hard as we did either. In fact I still go out more and party harder at my age now than her and her friends do.

It's the 80/20 rule as has already been pointed out. A percentage are partying hard and doing drugs but the vast majority are taking a tamer view.
At least in Australia I think it's due to the reduction of drinking culture on campuses and a long term and consistent media/government campaign against drinking, smoking and drugs.

Also, there are just so many competing options for peoples attention these days. Why go out and do something like organizing to catch up with your friends or chase tail when you can talk to them on facebook messenger, watch youtube videos, read buzzfeed and play video games. Or if you're horny, watch some free online porn.

So much entertainment is available these days with the click of a mouse and zero barrier to entry. Things that take effort find it hard to compete with that.

Just learned what "redbone" means.

Quote: (08-02-2016 07:48 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

This article and what it says can't be viewed in a vacuum. It goes along with other ones: In the past decade, fewer teens are driving ("The Decline of the Driver's License") and using drugs.

Too much helicopter parenting has made today's teens and twentysomethings into eternal children. They're like the 11-year-olds of generations past: Sexless and uncurious.

Constant monitoring -- and the expectation of such monitoring -- means kids become arrested in their development. They never got a chance to get out and experience life in an unstructured setting.

The quotes from this article make it seem like these kids can't relate to sex partially because it is, in fact, a non-structured activity that doesn't come with adult supervision or "educators" that offer guidance and advice.

I blame parents for creating the unnatural setting that robbed these people of their natural desire. We couldn't wait to get licenses and have sex. The very fact that this generation says "meh" should set off alarm bells.

The way my parents' generation raised Generation X would seem irresponsible to today's parents.. But in order for kids to grow up, they have to be LEFT THE HELL ALONE.

Think of sex as a habit. If you don't start at a relatively young age, it's hard to take to it naturally.

As a teenager, my folks could care less if I had my girlfriend in my bedroom. And they would constantly take trips out of state and leave me alone with my girlfriend, who lived down the street.

Their rules? "Replace the food you eat, don't disturb the neighbors with your loud music, and don't get (name redacted) pregnant." The end.

What did we learn as we romped around naked at ages 16-18? We learned "Hey, this is fun!" We also learned sex was a good way to relate to each other.

It became second nature. It was what you did, like getting a license and having a beer. But today's teens are so cocooned, the very environment that allowed for us to flourish isn't even in place anymore.

If you want to know what life was like between teens and parents for the Gen X crowd, watch some of the old teen movies like "Risky Business" or "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." They really didn't know what THE HELL we were up to, and they didn't think they needed to. We were called Young Adults for a reason.

Who would have though that all these years later my "square" parents from the "American Graffiti" era would end up seeming cool in retrospect. I should take them out to dinner and thank them for spending weeks away at the beach and in New York and leaving me alone to become a man, not sexless eunuchs like the people in this article.

Very insightful post.

This is something that most parents would never admit to, but can point out in other parents and will make no hesitation to talk behind other parents backs.

Kids have a hardwired part of their brain that pushes them to be independent, to 'help' out, even in the most basic toddler level, and to push the boundaries of their parents. If a teenager has spent most of their life trying to massage these boundaries they will have adapted a type of behavior that will need to explore. This is the "non structured environment" that DOBA is getting at.

I am curious to see my sons peers through his life, and how my generation raises the next. We are mostly older parents, certainly much older than my parents andthey did not know much about being a parent at all. My generation also has unwanted advice thrown at them from all places and the experience of partying and hedonism in their 20's with no real consequences and learning about the tricks and troubles of the world. Its no wonder older parents are so up tight.

Got this from a reddit post, but it's based on the figures in the article. 5.4% of women Millenials haven't had sex but 15% overall haven't had sex. To get that number, assuming an equal number of men and women, that means 24.6 percent of men haven't had sex from age 18-24.

For those born in the 60s, it was 2.3% of women, and 6% overall, meaning 9.7% of men born in the 60s hadn't had it.

So for women, it went from 97.7% having sexto 94.6%

For men, it went from 91.3% to 75.4.
Scientific results for hypergamy.

DOBA is spot on. Hands off parenting is the key to healthy children and "passing the baton" as they mature. If I didn't get pulled over by those cops while driving and talk myself out DUI at 18, would I be as confident? IDK. If I didn't fuck my highschool girlfriend every teachers workshop day until the bed broke, would I be as confident in my ability to unleash hip hell on a girl? IDK. If my parents forced me to be home and call in every twenty minutes, would I be a socially adjusted? No. I digress.

Sam in Chicago. Well, TBH, for Chicago and the guy she is competing for, she is getting table scraps. I have a friend who fits the prototype others have mentioned she might be looking for. He runs through sluts. Finance Bro that lives in River North (Nobody lives in the Loop you weirdos) and he is crushing it. She is the type of girl he might pick up at a 4 AM last call but yeah, shes not turning heads in the loop. FWIW, I'd slide into her DMs. Maybe.

Anyways, bigger picture, I think the problem is erosion of social skills. In particular, and this sounds gay, is listening skills. Millennials, we as a whole, are insufferable. 75% of us want to be in the leading role all the time. So we just talk at each other and don't form connections. There is minimal give and take in conversations. So for a few years, you go out and get smashed, looking for some strange. Its fun and the blackout hook ups satiate for a bit. And then when you want to transition from EDM, ear splitting music with $12 watered down rum n cokes to $10 Vodka Sodas in a better environment your social skills have declined or its all the same conversations. Your expectations become so low that you're mailing it in. Guys become increasingly desperate and go out looking for that mirage in their desert of thirst. Women are all over the place in terms of their expectations and standards for nights out but the one thing remains clear, they want their Academy Award recognition. And with this mismatch of social norms, men go low and women go high, completely missing each other. Enough misses and they've stopped swinging.

Lastly, Chicago is the land of 7's. So many.

Double lastly, Risky Business is a great fucking movie. If you're under 30 and haven't seen it, do so now. SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO SAY, "WHAT THE FUCK?"

Quote: (08-02-2016 07:48 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Their rules? "Replace the food you eat, don't disturb the neighbors with your loud music, and don't get (name redacted) pregnant." The end.

+1

My father's rules were similar - "Don't fuck up my car, don't get caught doing anything that gets you put in jail, and don't let some little cunt run your life."

...and I can point to about at least a dozen peers whose ever-present parents resulted in unplanned pregnancies, multiple DUIs, white-collar drug addictions, or careers at Applebee's.

I don't see it.
It's only because the SJW ham-beasts writing the articles are talking to each other, no one is banging them and they conclude "millennials aren't getting laid".

No it's just you.

It seems western men are being left out regarding sexuality. My 20's have been mostly sexless and I had friends that were virgins in there mid 20's and hadn't really even had real girlfriends. I have a friend that is 5"5" and his first sexual experience was with a Filipino women that was 37 years old and I would consider a "3". She was kind of like his girlfriend while he was working in the UAE, it was pretty sad. He still has not been with a women ever since he came back to Toronto. I have another friend he is 6 foot 2 good looking and charismatic. He told me a story when he was in the nightclub a attractive Filipino women grabbed him by the wrist took him to a bathroom stall and give him a blowjob. He was high during the whole process. He also has attractive women to date when he wants them.

One thing I can say about all of us is:

- We spent too much time around our mothers and were never raised to be men
- We didn't get a chance to build character and actually have organic self confidence and self esteem as other successful men
- location,location,location .... Toronto.
- Other reasons

For some men it really is a sexual drought.

Quote: (08-02-2016 04:44 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

Quote: (08-02-2016 01:53 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Regarding the Chinese girl above, she's of middling attractiveness. Not ugly, but not a looker. Most likely, she realizes, correctly, that she can't snag one of Chicago's Loop's high-end men and isn't easily satisfied with a middling attractiveness beta males. Instead, she chooses Netflix and other emotional wound covers. I feel sad for her almost, as I spent a lot of time in Chicago and know her type so well.

I say she's a liar. She's decent for an AZN. WB. She's likely getting pumped and dumped on the regular by someone. And remember we're dealing with the female version of logic here. I've no doubt you've heard of "anal-only virgins?" Girls who claim they're still virgins because they've only sucked dick and been assfucked. You'll encounter them in some religious circles. She'll rationalize that the alpha fuckboy she banged on Tuesday night doesn't go on her notch count because he didn't commit or some shit like that.

There's plenty of women out there who are looking for "the one". Whilst they are going on dates in which they and act all shy and conservative, they have another male friend that they do all kinds of shit with it in the bedroom. With the male friend, it's just sex - neither she nor the male friend want to take it any further than sex. They may have dated before and figured they weren't compatible for LTR, but they had a good time in the bedroom.

I've been the male friend many times so I know how full of shit women are. I'm sure that many other guys here have been too.

I've heard women talks about guys they slept with before, and sometime they'll say a guy "doesn't count"...

Don't forget that here in Australia, alcohol is heavily taxed + government are enforcing lock out laws along with building casinos to drain business from bars/clubs.

It happened in Brisbane ad Sydney as a almost non-existent nightlife. sadly, Melbourne, the hipster leftist SJW shithole of Australia is the best bar/clubbing option.

Melbourne in particular has a very strange "social circle" culture which kills cold approach game here in Melb.

Quote: (08-02-2016 08:14 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

It's the same here in Aus. Drinking and drug use have both declined on average compared to even 10 years ago.

This is anecdotal evidence but I'm currently dating a millennial and her friends don't go out anywhere near as much as my friends and I did at her age. When they do go out they don't party as hard as we did either. In fact I still go out more and party harder at my age now than her and her friends do.

It's the 80/20 rule as has already been pointed out. A percentage are partying hard and doing drugs but the vast majority are taking a tamer view.
At least in Australia I think it's due to the reduction of drinking culture on campuses and a long term and consistent media/government campaign against drinking, smoking and drugs.

Also, there are just so many competing options for peoples attention these days. Why go out and do something like organizing to catch up with your friends or chase tail when you can talk to them on facebook messenger, watch youtube videos, read buzzfeed and play video games. Or if you're horny, watch some free online porn.

So much entertainment is available these days with the click of a mouse and zero barrier to entry. Things that take effort find it hard to compete with that.

Quote: (08-02-2016 01:47 PM)Penta Sahi Wrote:  

Quote: (08-02-2016 01:14 PM)Tyroc7 Wrote:  

Sam Wei, a 26-year-old financial analyst in Chicago, has not had sex since her last relationship ended eighteen months ago. She makes out with guys sometimes, and she likes to cuddle.

Wow. What a loss to the manosphere. How would you even start going about trying to find a replacement for an asian five? Where on earth would find more of them?

Aside, what a moron. You don't drop the "no sex" bomb until AFTER you get the ring on the finger.