[Rhyme or Reason]

GS gets it.

If you are a high value man, who values his time, you would never consider this course of action.

Social technology plays a role here, too. It's far easier for her to blow you off via text or just blow you off altogether. Maybe decades ago when a girl had to pick up the phone (or answer it) to cancel, shaming her would have more impact.

That simply isn't the case these days, especially with social media orbiting at an all time high.

So what does a man do? He adapts.

@just a human

I understand where you are coming from. But the fact of the matter is it's NOT a business deal. Yes they have to show up at their job with no excuses, but I fail to see the connection to this topic.

They don't really owe you an explanation, at least not in their minds, and there is nothing you can do to convince them otherwise. You don't need to tolerate disrespectful behavior, I agree with you on that. To most people, that means cutting your loses and distancing yourself from people who engage in such behavior. Any attempt at shaming these chicks will both fail and make you look like a desperate fool even if you're not.

[Unchained]

(01-05-2017 04:27 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 06:43 AM)just a human Wrote:  

Any person should be punished for disrespectful behavior.
That's the only way to better society.
If guys will let women do what ever they want-they will use it more and more.

I usually send something very rude. Like: "Go to hell stupid bitch".
I do it not only to punish her,but to set my mind on the right mood-she is an insect ,that bothers me. Slap it immediately..

It has been established already multiple times in this thread that calling a girl out for her bad behaviour will not make her "feel bad" and it will do absolutely nothing to rectify or correct her future behaviour. Even if all the guys on this forum decided to "punish" all flaking, then girls will still have an avalanche of regular beta guys to string around and flake on.

If the girl doesn't respect you or value you, she will flake on you. Simple as that.
If she was really into you, a flake simply wouldn't happen unless something legitimately came up. And at that point she would let you know about it as soon as possible and try her best to reschedule and even twist her schedule around to make sure it fits you.

I used to go through the exact same woman-hating stage you are currently going through, thinking of them as insects that are beneath our feet. It's a phase, and I don't blame you for going through it. It rocks our reality when these beautiful angelic creatures we idolized and pedestalized come back down to reality. We see their scandalous, selfish, solipsistic, cruel, hypergamous, disrespectful nature slapped in front of our faces when we swallow the red pill. And it can definitely turn a man into a woman-hater. But please grow out of this stage and realize that women are people just like men. They are not insects below your feet. I feel you are saying this only out of anger and frustration towards women.
Once your game improves and you start having value to some women, you will see the other side of the coin.
A woman can be amazing, she will do anything in her power to make you happy, anything at all to please you and make you feel good. She will flake and disrespect all men she doesn't deem as alpha and high-value. But for the few that she sees at the top, she will move mountains to be with him and make him happy.

Put the woman-hating aside, and try to become the top echelon of men that women covet and fight for. You will never have to worry about texting a girl "go fuck yourself" because she flaked on you.

Excellent fucking post.

I'll add a few thoughts. Nothing wrong with shaming a woman or lashing out if you're at a certain stage in my opinion. Sometimes you gotta let it out and sometimes you gotta live and learn.

I agree however that there's no way to "beat" or "teach a lesson" to a flake. She flakes she flakes. Nothing you say or do is going to be punitive toward her cuz she doesn't value you. If she valued you, she wouldn't flake.

What you guys need to do is be willing to lose women and lose bangs if you choose to go the "punishment" route. If you wanna call her a bitch, go silent, or use some tactics after a girl flakes, I suggest doing so with the full willingness of losing the girl. You gotta be willing to take the L.

Replace don't chase. The best answer to a flake is 3 new phone numbers or a new notch.

But I've also called the girl out before and it worked. Even more often I called the girl out and got silence.

I advise against it but "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

[griffinmill]

As men we've all flaked too, with girls we haven't been all that into, or when we've double-booked and gone for the better option. Imagine if the girl had called us out on it and tried to "shame" us. It wouldn't increase any attraction, and in fact it would be somewhat flattering to see the level of investment she had.

[just a human]

What i wanted to say is,that i don't try to increase attraction,or correct bad behavior. No no.
The main thing i want is - spit out negative emotions, caused by other people.
I give it back to them. I get rid of them in that way-have you tried it?
For me -it works.

One bitch three times initiated dates with me,and all three times flaked.
First two times,i said like-"ok,no problem, let's meet another day".
After third time i said: "What a stupid game do You play? Have you nothing to do? "
She responded like: " Whaat? Who You are to judge me???"
Me: " Go to hell stupid bitch!"
She immediately called me,and she almost cried,and said some bullshit,that she has some problems in her life at the moment and so..bla bla bla..
I said that i don't accept such behavior.
After this call she sent me: " anyway -i will never date someone who called me a stupid bitch."
Me: " I said-go to hell stupid bitch."
She: "You aren't normal!"
Me: "Go to hell."

So-i never regret it,and felt good. I went to club that night,picked up a girl and fucked at my place. I used it as a motivation.

[Baphomet]

(01-06-2017 09:42 AM)just a human Wrote:  

What i wanted to say is,that i don't try to increase attraction,or correct bad behavior. No no.
The main thing i want is - spit out negative emotions, caused by other people.
I give it back to them. I get rid of them in that way-have you tried it?
For me -it works.

One bitch three times initiated dates with me,and all three times flaked.
First two times,i said like-"ok,no problem, let's meet another day".
After third time i said: "What a stupid game do You play? Have you nothing to do? "
She responded like: " Whaat? Who You are to judge me???"
Me: " Go to hell stupid bitch!"
She immediately called me,and she almost cried,and said some bullshit,that she has some problems in her life at the moment and so..bla bla bla..
I said that i don't accept such behavior.
After this call she sent me: " anyway -i will never date someone who called me a stupid bitch."
Me: " I said-go to hell stupid bitch."
She: "You aren't normal!"
Me: "Go to hell."

So-i never regret it,and felt good.

That exchange seems wildly childish to me since it demonstrates complete lack of self-control, discipline, and frame. You are the one who came out looking bad here.

The superior thing to do, rather than resorting to childish name-calling would have been to calmly and IMPERSONALLY end it. Having allowed two other flakes, your third response should have been more like:

"gotcha" or "k" followed by deletion.

Petulant outbursts do nothing to improve the situation, nor do they alter how a woman is going to behave. I honestly do not understand the massive personal investment of emotion and stability that some guys seem to place in broads who are absolute strangers.

The superior man has control over his emotions, actions, and relationships. Not the other way around.

[just a human]

(01-06-2017 10:42 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:42 AM)just a human Wrote:  

What i wanted to say is,that i don't try to increase attraction,or correct bad behavior. No no.
The main thing i want is - spit out negative emotions, caused by other people.
I give it back to them. I get rid of them in that way-have you tried it?
For me -it works.

One bitch three times initiated dates with me,and all three times flaked.
First two times,i said like-"ok,no problem, let's meet another day".
After third time i said: "What a stupid game do You play? Have you nothing to do? "
She responded like: " Whaat? Who You are to judge me???"
Me: " Go to hell stupid bitch!"
She immediately called me,and she almost cried,and said some bullshit,that she has some problems in her life at the moment and so..bla bla bla..
I said that i don't accept such behavior.
After this call she sent me: " anyway -i will never date someone who called me a stupid bitch."
Me: " I said-go to hell stupid bitch."
She: "You aren't normal!"
Me: "Go to hell."

So-i never regret it,and felt good.

That exchange seems wildly childish to me since it demonstrates complete lack of self-control, discipline, and frame. You are the one who came out looking bad here.

The superior thing to do, rather than resorting to childish name-calling would have been to calmly and IMPERSONALLY end it. Having allowed two other flakes, your third response should have been more like:

"gotcha" or "k" followed by deletion.

Petulant outbursts do nothing to improve the situation, nor do they alter how a woman is going to behave. I honestly do not understand the massive personal investment of emotion and stability that some guys seem to place in broads who are absolute strangers.

The superior man has control over his emotions, actions, and relationships. Not the other way around.

There is no man (i mean real one-not some hero from movies) on this planet,who can absolutely control relationships with other people. People,especially women-are unpredictable. So,all MY actions are totally controlled-i do it not impulsively. This is "premeditated" behavior from my side. It is like a strike back. When someone try to punch you in face-will you let it happen,or do something? Maybe it depends on personality. Ok, i see-we have different point of wiew on this topic.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(01-06-2017 09:42 AM)just a human Wrote:  

What i wanted to say is,that i don't try to increase attraction,or correct bad behavior. No no.
The main thing i want is - spit out negative emotions, caused by other people.
I give it back to them. I get rid of them in that way-have you tried it?
For me -it works.

One bitch three times initiated dates with me,and all three times flaked.
First two times,i said like-"ok,no problem, let's meet another day".
After third time i said: "What a stupid game do You play? Have you nothing to do? "
She responded like: " Whaat? Who You are to judge me???"
Me: " Go to hell stupid bitch!"
She immediately called me,and she almost cried,and said some bullshit,that she has some problems in her life at the moment and so..bla bla bla..
I said that i don't accept such behavior.
After this call she sent me: " anyway -i will never date someone who called me a stupid bitch."
Me: " I said-go to hell stupid bitch."
She: "You aren't normal!"
Me: "Go to hell."

So-i never regret it,and felt good. I went to club that night,picked up a girl and fucked at my place. I used it as a motivation.

You have much to learn. I hope you stick around, and can move past some obvious anger issues. Plus, the point of all the posts in this thread, 5 pages of them, is somehow still lost on you.

[kaotic]

(01-06-2017 11:26 AM)just a human Wrote:  

There is no man (i mean real one-not some hero from movies) on this planet,who can absolutely control relationships with other people. People,especially women-are unpredictable. So,all MY actions are totally controlled-i do it not impulsively. This is "premeditated" behavior from my side. It is like a strike back. When someone try to punch you in face-will you let it happen,or do something? Maybe it depends on personality. Ok, i see-we have different point of wiew on this topic.

Actually you'd be surprised how some cats can run a girl in an LTR where she will absolutely do anything for him.

Premeditated or not, you're acting like the stupid bitches you hate.

STOP THAT.

That anger you have towards women is like a burning coal that you're holding in your hand.

In the end you're the only one getting burned.

Strike back you say ?

What happens when that someone who hits you is twice as big ?

What happens if you strike back and that someone pulls out a knife or a gun ?


Yeah I thought so.

Get rid of that anger man.




As far as shaming bitches, 95% of the time it ain't worth it, you let it slide off your back and move on.

I cosign with General Stalin - go silent on a bitch or simply tell you didn't like that.

Shaming doesn't do shit to most girls, if anything you're feeding their ego.

(After all, she has 0 invested in you, and you haven't banged her)


Putting a bitch that you're with in her place is a different story.

[El Triste]

If she actually likes you and also responds favorably to being shamed then sure go shame her for flaking, but if she actually liked you she wouldn't be flaking now would she?

You can't shame or guilt a girl into being attracted. Improve your game, you're probably just focusing on the wrong things in your game.

BTW shaming a girl for flaking shows her that
you have no other girls. It's not the action of shaming thats bad, it's showing her that you actually give a shit about her flaking on you.

If you must text her just shoot a text off like "it's cool I don't really care anyway lol" and if she starts to explain herself or whatever be like "listen, it's no problem at all. I'm not crying or anything haha" and then try to leverage the ensuing conversation into a date. Not likely but it does work sometimes. This is the best "flake shaming" technology you'll find lol.

[RedPillUK]

Ghosting on her and going silent will probably hurt her feelings more than any bitchy or angry text will. Women crave attention.

If getting laid is no longer your goal and that's what you want to do.

[El Triste]

^ That too but if she doesn't care about you then it doesn't matter anyway. I agree though

[just a human]

(01-06-2017 11:44 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:26 AM)just a human Wrote:  

There is no man (i mean real one-not some hero from movies) on this planet,who can absolutely control relationships with other people. People,especially women-are unpredictable. So,all MY actions are totally controlled-i do it not impulsively. This is "premeditated" behavior from my side. It is like a strike back. When someone try to punch you in face-will you let it happen,or do something? Maybe it depends on personality. Ok, i see-we have different point of wiew on this topic.

Actually you'd be surprised how some cats can run a girl in an LTR where she will absolutely do anything for him.

Premeditated or not, you're acting like the stupid bitches you hate.

STOP THAT.

That anger you have towards women is like a burning coal that you're holding in your hand.

In the end you're the only one getting burned.

Strike back you say ?

What happens when that someone who hits you is twice as big ?

What happens if you strike back and that someone pulls out a knife or a gun ?


Yeah I thought so.

Get rid of that anger man.




As far as shaming bitches, 95% of the time it ain't worth it, you let it slide off your back and move on.

I cosign with General Stalin - go silent on a bitch or simply tell you didn't like that.

Shaming doesn't do shit to most girls, if anything you're feeding their ego.

(After all, she has 0 invested in you, and you haven't banged her)


Putting a bitch that you're with in her place is a different story.

Maan noo,my behavior is far more nuanced that you think..
As i said-i don't hate women.
I hate people who are dishonest and try to play games with me,
and that's my choice to act the way i did.

Look- i already banged that bitch 5 or 6 times in all holes.
At the last date i noticed some minor changes in her behavior,and i decided to disappear for some time unless she shows up by herself-what she actually did.
I knew, that she actually don't want to be fucked by me, for whatever reason (i don't care). But she just wanted to know-do i still want her,and how much i care about her. Very manipulative. So- i decided to act the way i did. I was playing a game with her too.

I shared my thoughts on relation between flaking and attention seeking in this thread: thread-59217.html

[The_e_man]

I sense you are basing a lot of your self-worth and your value in how many "bitches you fuck in all holes"
I too, had the same (lowkey) woman-hating and incorrect value attribution behaviour that you are currently going through.

It's a phase man. You're going to look back at this and either laugh or just give your head a shake.

[questor70]

"if she actually liked you she wouldn't be flaking now would she?"

A dating scene ireduced down to a game of musical chairs where you can't even count on the woman appearing right up to the last minute doesn't involve much in the way of truly "liking" a guy. I mean, the guy she does wind out going out with can't really think of himself as that much better than the guy she's ditching if she's always vacillating down to the wire. You're pretty much an interchangeable dildo even if you get her.

[Truth Teller]

Fucking stupid idea. Implies you don't have options and are way more invested in her than you should be at that stage.

[El Triste]

Yeah you are an interchangeable dildo on some level and the worse your game is the more interchangeable you are. You can get away getting laid with mediocre game and keep her coming back for a while if you have really good dick. If all you want is sex and thats it what does it matter? Hit and run and get more girls.

I see that you're implying that girls don't really "like" guys. These days it's true because most guys are either complete retards about it or they have mediocre game. Some guys have good enough game to where the girl is more invested in him and actually doesn't flake. That's what I mean by "like". She's actually interested in you.

MOST game that guys have, including PUAs is very surface level and "emotionally/sexually safe". What this means is that it's hitting attraction triggers and building some rapport but that's it. Real sexual tension and "deep" connection are missing elements in most guys game. Guys don't take the time in trying To know who the girl is, what she's about and all that stuff which makes the girl feel as if you're
actually paying attention and her "soulmate". Furthermore, most guys don't know how to properly build sexual tension. How many guys force a make out or force sex? When does it seem organic? Deep connections and real sexual tension are what constitutes chemistry.
If she's not feeling the chemistry, she's got no reason to invest unless she's looking for some quick dick and you're good looking enough.

What I'm trying to say here is that a girl who you kind of (miscalibrstedly) playfully insult here and there, maybe make her laugh a bit and get a kiss from just because it's a fun kind of thing with some crazy guy isn't likely to be that interested.

It has to mean something to her for her to show up. Even if it means quick dick but it's gotta mean something.

[El Triste]

Guys just don't know how to hit those emotional buttons in the girls they're talking to because their too busy stuck in their own mental models of trying to impress girls rather than having a deep effect on them.

Two different things. Trying to look Alpha, seeking status and popularity and worrying about being social enough are all forms of seeking approval and trying to impress. Social skills are not tools of impressing people, they are practical tools of communication.

Seek to have a deep effect and influence, not to impress.

[BossOfBosses]

^ Yup, stop trying to impress people and instead just make them feel good. Give them good feelings and emotions. What a lot of you guys are practicing isn't exactly game. It's LSM (looks status money) then cavemanning the girl or rushing for a ONS without building any real rapport.

Then you wonder why she doesn't answer your texts.

[El Triste]

I was guilty of that shit too. For a looong time.
Community stuff, especially new school stuff is
Very superficial level shit. Yeah it all falls under the umbrella of game but it barley scratches the surface.

Real seduction is much more psychological and about the girl than it is about you. It's actually all about her. It's all about having a deep effect on the girl. How many guys have
Cars, muscles, friends, clothes, stupid jokes, a dick, etc. Yeah those are all good tools but what about guys who touch the girls emotionally in a deep and exciting way? How many guys actually speak the girls language and know her better than herself as to render her helpless at his feet?

Not many.

[Unchained]

(01-07-2017 10:29 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

^ Yup, stop trying to impress people and instead just make them feel good. Give them good feelings and emotions. What a lot of you guys are practicing isn't exactly game. It's LSM (looks status money) then cavemanning the girl or rushing for a ONS without building any real rapport.

Then you wonder why she doesn't answer your texts.

Golden.

[just a human]

Maybe it goes under an other thread, but if we talk about so called " deep connection", soul mates and so- I can speak from all my life experience- this is very rear. All the best girls I met- there was an immediate connection in first minutes, eaven seconds of contact. Those girls usually don't flake.
Just returned from clubs. Got one new number. Was there a real connection? Nope. I will try to fake it as I did many many times in my life. Physically I liked her, but mentally- boring. I like sex and new pussy, and there's nothing to do about it.

[Disco_Volante]

It depends on the level of commitment of the meetup.

Did you buy tickets to a concert you both planned to go to? That is a big flake

Could she not make a coffee date you asked her on just a day before? Don't make it a big deal if she flakes.

It depends on what event you were doing together, how much it had been planned, etc.... if it's just a simple meetup for coffee or something casual I wouldn't make a big deal of it if she flakes. If it really upsets you that she flaked on something then she's less interest in you than you are her.

The battle is already won or lost before the flaking occurs. Flaking is just a symptom. That is why college campus game is so great, you can be very casual and you'll run into them sooner or later, so you don't have to worry or reach about meeting up as you'll surely see her again anyways.

I think your frustration over dates / meetups occurs in situations where you don't have the same social circles and can't reliably run into her in your daily life, which makes it tricky.

[Vincent Chase]

Going silent on a girl is usually one of the biggest fuck yous you can give to her.

You can text something back like "you're a fat fuck anyway lol", she'll just see it as pathetic and show it to all her stupid friends and laugh about the attention she gets despite being a fat moose.

While if she texts you "I just found out my mum died of AIDS" an hour before the date - and you don't respond - it may spike her curiosity at least just a little. I have banged girls who flaked and I went silent on them initially, and also a few where I managed to convince them to go out when they flaked initially. I haven't banged any girls that I texted "you're an average looking girl, good luck fingering yourself tonight" after a flake.

If you want to do it out of principle, go for it. But be sure to know that they won't give a fuck. While you're texting her she's probably getting ready for Chad Thundercock, or already slurping on his cock.

[DimeBait]

This weekend I lined up 3 chics for the same series of events. Sure enough, two of them flaked. ALWAYS double if not triple book. Flake on them when necessary. Post to SM images of you enjoying yourself at the event(s) they flaked on to reinforce your un-neediness

[Unchained]

(01-09-2017 12:41 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

This weekend I lined up 3 chics for the same series of events. Sure enough, two of them flaked. ALWAYS double if not triple book. Flake on them when necessary. Post to SM images of you enjoying yourself at the event(s) they flaked on to reinforce your un-neediness

If you haven't fucked at least once, avoid weekend plans.