[puckerman]

I've lived in Austin for almost twelve years. And there's no doubt it. People moving from California have ruined it. They've driven up the cost of everything here, and they do that wherever they go.

What cities DO NOT have the California problem? I'm going to guess that it's colder weather cities. I used to live in Columbus, Ohio. They certainly don't have the problem.

It also seems like San Antonio has avoided the problem. People from Albuquerque have also said they have avoided the problem.

So, what causes the California problem? How does a city avoid being taken over by California people? Why do California people ruin some cities yet avoid others?

[GlobalMan]

The kryptonite for Californians is cold weather, and not Denver cold- real cold. They will continue to flee high taxes and and high cost of living more and more, urban areas in Texas being a hot spot lately as you noted, Phoenix to an extent, Denver, and Portland. Albuquerque has likely been spared because it's somewhat isolated and not that interesting to most people.

I was born and raised in CA and left years ago. I live somewhere it gets very cold in the winter, I have never met or heard of anyone moving from California to here, very few have I'm sure.

All Southwestern/Rockies metro areas will be places Californians tend to flee to. The scary part is not so much the cost of living increases but that they bring their politics with them and slowly infiltrate local government, then state etc. The sick irony being that they will end up turning their new home into exactly like the one they wanted to get away from. How they don't see that the reason the new place was attractive is because it does the opposite of what CA does is beyond me.

Even Phoenix just disallowed one of those little target plinking carnival games for kids at a city festival because "it portrays guns in a positive light". The city council is mostly liberal now. And that is in a state with constitutional carry.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Late to the party. California liberals are the biggest hypocrites because they leave the shit they created in a different state then come to where I'm at and bring it here.

I've only met one likable girl from Cali(actually born and raised there unlike the guys who move out their and leave claiming to be Cali people) and she's as conservative politically as it gets. Thinking about it makes me gag a bit going back out there to visit but friends and family will be worth it.

[kaotic]

Californian here:



But I get why we're hated on - trust me. I hate most my fellow Californians.

[Tenerife]

(07-08-2016 01:50 AM)puckerman Wrote:  

I've lived in Austin for almost twelve years. And there's no doubt it. People moving from California have ruined it. They've driven up the cost of everything here, and they do that wherever they go.

What cities DO NOT have the California problem? I'm going to guess that it's colder weather cities. I used to live in Columbus, Ohio. They certainly don't have the problem.

It also seems like San Antonio has avoided the problem. People from Albuquerque have also said they have avoided the problem.

So, what causes the California problem? How does a city avoid being taken over by California people? Why do California people ruin some cities yet avoid others?

Immigration and real estate prices are two contributing factors to the "problem" if it is to be worded that way.

California is one of the most hideously overpriced places on the planet. You can actually buy a house for less than 100,000 dollars in certain places in the middle of the states, which is beyond imagination in this state.

Californians have been moving to Boise, Idaho , Phoenix, Austin, Las Vegas....pretty much anywhere that isn't so expensive. Weather is a big factor, but it depends.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/californi...-mass.html

Whites are leaving, but also Blacks are leaving the Bay and LA areas.

[jamaicabound]

It's kind of funny, I've read blog posts and commentaries on these issues. It's somewhat comical the things people leave California because of they wind up moving to a new area and basically creating those same issues in the new areas in many cases.

That said I don't think it's necessarily a problem of just Cali people. Up and comming popular cities draw peopel from all over hte country. When a city/town of say 100k people grows to 150k or 200k people with a heavy influx of people from other areas of the country obviously the character of the city will change as well to some extent.

Austin is kind of a hip city, people from Chicago, NY, etc who are sick of high taxes, high priced homes, cold weather hear about Austin and decide to move down, more and more people know friends who move down there and love it, etc and it continues. Again this will change the character of the place and it winds up being just NY or Chicago in a warmer climate to some extent.

The same could be said of gentrification of neighborhoods.

[Dr. Howard]

This same effect is seen in the southeast, except its people from New York ruining it.

Nashville is New Austin and even over here in Knoxville, ask a downtown hipster with no accent where they are from and its NYC or NJ. The city itself is very liberal and the surrounding county is very conservative, and mostly non-immigrants.

[Adonis]

This is quite a problem, not just California specifically, but liberal areas in general which are all quite expensive, heavily taxed, over regulated etc. They leave their blue utopias and then proceed, like clockwork, to turn their new homes into a spitting image of the place they left so fervently.

They sell their house for $500k+ and buy places for cash driving up the real estate market. This may benefit those in the real estate business, but it is a net negative for locals trying to gain the next higher station (i.e. moving from apartment into a house), or those just trying to maintain by way of increasing property taxes.

More troubling is the political aspect. The creep of neo-liberalsim is extending all the way to the Mississippi River solely due to the diaspora of people from CA, NY, NJ and into the population/political centers of western states which then dominate state level politics. Then these people bring their big city influences with them, a good example is both CO and WA received huge sums of money from the likes of Michael Bloomberg to influence gun control legislation. The example cities below are solidly blue in areas surrounded by red, which 20 years ago was not the case.

Seattle, WA
Portland, OR
Denver, CO
Asheville, NC

How do we slow or stop this phenomenon? Weather patterns certainly help, as do infrastructure, job market, political climate, and believe it or not wildlife. If you look at the states in the Mountain Northwest (ID, MT, WY) they are very harsh climate wise, have a poor job market, lack the social infrastructure of places with heavier development, and are staunchly conservative. Liberal emigres like the idea of wild country, but only after rough men have domesticated it for them. Ive heard via realtors of 3 instances where people from CA have moved to ID and have left within the first year due to the abundance and proximity of wildlife. I guess they don't like sharing the earth with bears, elk, deer, and wild cats after all. Who would've guessed?

To be quite honest, the only way to truly mitigate these effects is to move out into the sticks yourself because on a long enough time line the city limits will always turn blue.

[8ball]

You wanna stop this?

The best defense is offense.

Turn hardcore blue states RED.

[Travesty]

Only smart lesson in here is if you can stomach it, go make higher money and connection while saving $ with roommates, fixing own food etc, then later in life use that $ to go be the bastard to buy a house in cash 4 times the size you could have in a less expensive, yet cultured place.

Cold world homies.

Don't know about the rest of ya'll. In Santa Barbara rents when I got here for a decent 1BR was $1300 3 years ago. Now it is $1600+ that quickly. 10% income tax here roughly. High sales tax.

23% increase in 3 years.

This is why Californians are leaving in droves.

My parent's house was $300k in SoCal in 1997 now over $850k was near $1M at one point. That is less than 20 year time frame where the median wage has gone DOWN compared to inflation and cost of living.

Almost impossible to raise a 3 kid family near the coast in California without sweating about money everyday (Need $175k+ combined income to breathe easy, save, invest, and take some decent vacations).

[bumborass]

yeah I've been living in Vegas for 5 years now, and the increasing amount of people making the move to Vegas are from California. I think Vegas would be LA now if it wasn't for the insanely hot summer...

[AboveAverageJoe]

The reason they avoid Albequrque and San Antonio is they are mostly seen as Hispanic cities, whereas as Austin is seen as a "white" city as most of the California emmigrants are White. My small city is the fastest growing city (over 50,000 people) in the nation right now and most of the newcomers come from California. The island I grew up on has been being invaded by Californians since the late 60's.

[RBerkley]

Toronto feminazi Anita Sarkeesian sets shop in California to spread her Toronto feminist values.
Mass droves of California people (presumably Liberal anti-sex, pro-tax, anti-freedom) are infecting other U.S. states in droves.

It sounds just like the Toronto women flocking to Alberta and Quebec to spread their Toronto feminism.

Y'all have to observe the political alignments and motives of these mass exodus of California people infecting other US states. If they neutral, then no worries, but if they bringing their California liberal feminazi agenda with them, then they are not welcome in any other state of the USA, because the Cali liberals gonna turn the Republican states into Hitlery Clinton idolator worshipper.

[Sidney Crosby]

No sympathy from me, Chinese buyers are ruining Vancouver.

[chicane]

I keep trying to convince people who talk about moving to Austin that Lubbock is the new up and coming place to be. It hasn't been working.

[buja]

Take back all the people (and their decendents) who have moved to Southern California from Texas since 1980...and we'll take your Californians backs. The population of many cities have doubled and tripled since then.

This place of full of clueless transplants who don't know how to drive on freeways, let their damn dogs bark all the time, too noisy, trailer trash attitudes, etc. (though I don't suppose they are NOT all from Texas of course)

Texas and Colorado advertise a lot on AM radio and billboards to get people to move there...especially business owners.

I'd say that people who move to Texas from California would be less liberal.

Remember that Southern California, the Central Valley, The Bay Area, Northern California (minus the Bay Area) are really different states for all intents and purposes

I'll bet I see way more Texas license plates in San Diego and Orange County than people in Austin or other Texas metro areas see California license plates.

[buja]

(07-08-2016 04:34 PM)bumborass Wrote:  

yeah I've been living in Vegas for 5 years now, and the increasing amount of people making the move to Vegas are from California. I think Vegas would be LA now if it wasn't for the insanely hot summer...

I hope you are getting people who are creating jobs and taking advantage of Nevada's more favorable business climate.

Not too many food stamp/welfare people would want to go to Nevada and lose out on California benefits.

[puckerman]

(07-08-2016 02:44 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

Immigration and real estate prices are two contributing factors to the "problem" if it is to be worded that way.

California is one of the most hideously overpriced places on the planet. You can actually buy a house for less than 100,000 dollars in certain places in the middle of the states, which is beyond imagination in this state.

Californians have been moving to Boise, Idaho , Phoenix, Austin, Las Vegas....pretty much anywhere that isn't so expensive. Weather is a big factor, but it depends.

Boise is certainly the odd city in this list. Boise definitely has a winter.

[puckerman]

(07-08-2016 09:40 PM)chicane Wrote:  

I keep trying to convince people who talk about moving to Austin that Lubbock is the new up and coming place to be. It hasn't been working.

Are you dissing Buddy Holly?

[puckerman]

(07-08-2016 04:55 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

The reason they avoid Albequrque and San Antonio is they are mostly seen as Hispanic cities, whereas as Austin is seen as a "white" city as most of the California emmigrants are White. My small city is the fastest growing city (over 50,000 people) in the nation right now and most of the newcomers come from California. The island I grew up on has been being invaded by Californians since the late 60's.

What city is that? San Marcos?

Are you accusing the champagne socialists of racism? Who'd have thunk it?

[AboveAverageJoe]

(07-09-2016 01:27 AM)puckerman Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 04:55 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

The reason they avoid Albequrque and San Antonio is they are mostly seen as Hispanic cities, whereas as Austin is seen as a "white" city as most of the California emmigrants are White. My small city is the fastest growing city (over 50,000 people) in the nation right now and most of the newcomers come from California. The island I grew up on has been being invaded by Californians since the late 60's.

What city is that? San Marcos?

Are you accusing the champagne socialists of racism? Who'd have thunk it?

I can neither confirm nor deny that fact.

[Brian Shima]

A transplant complaining about other transplants? Where are you originally from..

[Global_Cocksman]

I'm from California, born and raised. I moved to the Pacific Northwest in my late teens/early twenties, but eventually moved back.

Let me tell ya, those people hated Californians. I found it hard to find employment among local companies. I was also pulled over by cops (still had my CA license plate) more than a few times, haha. I sympathized with them, though, Californians were already heavily invading Seattle, Portland and Boise at that point. Now all these states will basically be Neo-California in 5-10 years. But I still decided to move back because ultimately it was boring as shit there with no opportunity, and little to no Asian or Latin chicks.

If I was still living in the US, I'd probably move to Vegas or Seattle though.

[wi30]

I have a handful of buddies from California and there's a ton of great posters here who are from CA. But for the most part, I despise Californians. For every red pill, conservative dude out in California, there's 100 liberal Cali-fags. They destroyed their state and are doing their best to flip demographics from red to blue in every state they migrate to (especially Texas).

Luckily I live up north and they can't handle winters here. But I lived in the south for a couple years and ran into a bunch of them. It's not solely the fault of Californians; locals encourage those douche-bags to migrate in droves. I had a buddy who banged dozens of girls by just saying he grew up in California. He was playing the game on easy mode. If the locals in those cities didn't glamorize California so much, I'd bet less would come.

And it's not just Californians. Liberals in general turn their expensive, high profile cities into Utopian nightmares then flee to mostly white cities while claiming to love diversity. If they loved diversity so much, why'd they leave? The coasts are claiming and destroying more and more inland cities. Good thing I live in the cold and bitter heartland.

It reminds me of that South Park where the Jersey Shore claims everything as West Jersey. Except instead of bros, it's Starbucks and diversity loving pajama boys.

[Comte De St. Germain]

In response to the guy saying they're not moving to Albuquerque and San Antonio, that's because there's nothing to do in any of those cities. No festivals, no parties, no nothing.

Austin, Houston, and Dallas beg to differ.