[GreenHills]

So I met this girl through social circle, pretty hot Eastern European. 32 years old, but I found that our through LinkedIn, she looks 27 at most. She was into me, sitting next to me on a table and paying attention to everything I say. She then texts me on the weekend, asks how my weekend is. We exchange a few texts I ask her out for a drink.

Girl then says she's dating an acquaintance of mine, but they had an argument and he's out of the country and she'd hate to hurt him or me, but she'd like to go out as friends. Huh. What is this about? She wants a backup orbiter? If she had a cool and interesting personality, I'd be ok with going out as friends, but she's a 32 years old career girl and these types of women have nothing of interest to me as "friends".

I'm leaning towards letting her know that when I'm not a backup option, I'd get a drink with her (in nicer words of course).

[Suits]

Doesn't matter.

Next.

[WestIndianArchie]

Of course you can bang her.

You need to make it easier for her to do what she really wants.

No judgment, just a sympathetic ear and dick.

Take her out
Have a good time
Make mention that we should have one last drink back at your place.

If the boyfriend comes up when you go for the extraction
- oh, is he very controlling? I'm sure he's a nice guy.

Keep talking up his niceness, and she'll do her best to disabuse you of that notion. If you dis him, she'll defend him.

"You probably just need five minutes to clear your head. You know how sometimes you're knee deep into something..And before you know it.."

"It's not a big deal"

Bang her out, THEN help her mend fences with the boyfriend.

Frame your sexual encounter as merely a massage or just letting off steam. She needs to do that from time to time.

But you make her love the boyfriend again, so she gets those feelings from him, but with you it's only sex, "to help clear her head".

So when she goes back to him, she can workout their issues with a clean slate. All you did was help with the blockage. You're basically just a massage therapist, deep tissue. There's nothing wrong or immoral about her choices..plus "he doesn't own you, does he"

There's really a whole lot you can do to make this smooth. The key here is that she wants to cheat. But..She's a monkey looking for the next cock to swing from. So that's why you want her to not see you as boyfriend material.

There's actually a whole lot more to said on this situation.

WIA

[GreenHills]

This is a good viewpoint. It's interesting how in my mind she's never looking to cheat on the guy. He's a good guy, she's a good girl. They don't do that to each other. Except that maybe they do. I haven't been involved with women that have cheated on me, neither have I been with a woman that's cheating (well, at least to my knowledge).

I'll pass on that one though, my social circle is important to me and this guy is in it. In addition, the girl is hot, but hot on paper - doesn't push enough buttons inside of me to do the work, plus I have another woman right now too.

[WestIndianArchie]

Why'd you ask the question if you were going to take the blue pill route in the first place?

WIA

[AboveAverageJoe]

An acquaintance's girl? I fuck any acquaintances girls that want it. It is friend's women that I don't bang, and that only goes for main chick status. Side pieces are open game.

[Rocha]

(07-07-2016 08:04 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Why'd you ask the question if you were going to take the blue pill route in the first place?

WIA

Not sure what is blue pill in this case, if let her go or embark on a grand scheme to get into the skirts of an acquaintance girl who "wants to be friends". Redpillers do not have time for that. I would say next like Suits and OP.

[WestIndianArchie]

He's playing white knight. The girl wants to fuck him, he wants to fuck her.

He's not doing what he wants to do because of social programming.

Definition of blue pill.

WIA

[Rocha]

(07-07-2016 09:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

He's playing white knight. The girl wants to fuck him, he wants to fuck her.

He's not doing what he wants to do because of social programming.

Definition of blue pill.

WIA

Why white knight? He is not defending her. He just wants to avoid potential timewasting and negative drama.

And in what part of OP post you read that she wants to fuck him?

Also, his rationale for nexting her may be or seem bluepill. But food for thought, s it redpill to try to bang her given the circumstances?

[GreenHills]

(07-07-2016 08:04 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Why'd you ask the question if you were going to take the blue pill route in the first place?

WIA

I wanted to understand what's going on, since this hasn't happened to me before.

I highly suspect this girl is a gold digger. She's a business school graduate surrounded by these bland career dudes with cushy high paid jobs and she dates them. In her mind, I'm one of these people. I don't want to be in a situation where I take her out, entertain her and present her with one more option in case it doesn't work out with her dude. I'm already that, without having to do this.

[toejam]

I say bang her before Saturday via WIA's first post in this thread. He's never steered me wrong so far.
When I read your OP post I said to myself "she wants to bang she just needs you to guide her into it, I.e. plausible deniability"

[iknowexactly]

(07-06-2016 12:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

- oh, is he very controlling? I'm sure he's a nice guy.

Frame your sexual encounter as merely a massage or just letting off steam. She needs to do that from time to time.

But you make her love the boyfriend again, so she gets those feelings from him, but with you it's only sex, "to help clear her head".

... All you did was help with the blockage. You're basically just a massage therapist, deep tissue. There's nothing wrong or immoral about her choices..plus "he doesn't own you, does he"

There's really a whole lot you can do to make this smooth.

WIA

True evil genius

[WestIndianArchie]

(07-07-2016 11:05 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 09:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

He's playing white knight. The girl wants to fuck him, he wants to fuck her.

He's not doing what he wants to do because of social programming.

Definition of blue pill.

WIA

Why white knight? He is not defending her. He just wants to avoid potential timewasting and negative drama.

And in what part of OP post you read that she wants to fuck him?

Also, his rationale for nexting her may be or seem bluepill. But food for thought, s it redpill to try to bang her given the circumstances?

"She was into me, sitting next to me on a table and paying attention to everything I say. She then texts me on the weekend, asks how my weekend is. "

That's her basically blowing him a kiss and pulling open her skirt.

So this is what OP does

"We exchange a few texts I ask her out for a drink."

I didn't put words in his mouth.
He went for the kill.
But then he wusses out over imagined social fall out.

Not because he doesn't want to fuck the girl, or that he screened her.

But it might interrupt how an acquaintance feel some type of way.

The "red pill" lesson here is that when you take away the social programming, the blue pill propaganda - women are sexual beings and will make themselves available to men who they perceive to be alpha.

Whether or not she's looking at him for provisioning, or some other excuse is not material to his side of the game. Who gives a fuck what she wants.

What does he want?

His true self asked for the date.

But then the self that is in control brought up all these complications about social circle and other bullshit. And feigning ignorance about what her motivations might have been, bringing in extra details to protect his ego.

No one should give a fuck what I say, or what I think. WIA is some clown on the internet who has too much time at work and way too much experience with women.

A man should care about what *he* thinks.

He's not going to see it. A lot of guys don't see it. They get on this treadmill of looking for the next guy to tell them how to live, what to think - when the whole point of the red pill, of the game, is getting to the core of what you really want.

When you get that grounding, then you come at the situation, XXL says this, WIA says this, Kaotic says this, Roberke says this, Gio says that, XPQ22 has this to add, Linux says this. There's value in what they say, and either it jives with my own experiences or it departs from my own. Why is that? Is there something deeper? Something I'm missing? Is there a pattern, or is this a departure from the pattern? What can i take from what they say and apply? What can I disregard?

This scenario as described and then amended shows me a guy that is not clear about what he wants, but he cares a lot about how he appears to others.

That's okay, it's a newbie board post. Guys here are starting to figure out what it is they're truly after. I'd say at the beginning, it's pussy. But before long it's about validation, ego stroking, getting back at bitches for all that time you spent in the dark. And cats end up on the other side of that, plenty of notches, and the realization that "flesh is not the answer".

Then we can really start the work of deprogramming. So guys can spot a the idiocy of thinking a religious virgin would make a good wife.

WIA

[XXL]

(07-08-2016 10:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

"She was into me, sitting next to me on a table and paying attention to everything I say. She then texts me on the weekend, asks how my weekend is. "

That's her basically blowing him a kiss and pulling open her skirt.

So this is what OP does

"We exchange a few texts I ask her out for a drink."

I didn't put words in his mouth.
He went for the kill.
But then he wusses out over imagined social fall out.

Not because he doesn't want to fuck the girl, or that he screened her.

But it might interrupt how an acquaintance feel some type of way.

The "red pill" lesson here is that when you take away the social programming, the blue pill propaganda - women are sexual beings and will make themselves available to men who they perceive to be alpha.

Whether or not she's looking at him for provisioning, or some other excuse is not material to his side of the game. Who gives a fuck what she wants.

What does he want?

His true self asked for the date.

But then the self that is in control brought up all these complications about social circle and other bullshit. And feigning ignorance about what her motivations might have been, bringing in extra details to protect his ego.

It means that what he wanted to do was avoiding potential consequences rather than going after her and dealing with the aftermath later. It doesn't make him a wuss in my opinion. Nowhere says that being red pill alpha dog superman deluxe is about fucking everything in sight no matter what. Seems like it was a thought out decision, not fear or anxiety of trying to sleep with a girl.

[TornadoByProxy]

I have to agree with WIA on this one. Good advice above.
She's an adult. She's going to sleep with whoever she wants. OP doesn't have to defend her honor. It's obvious she was looking for a good time and plausible deniability.
I think OP knows he can't close the deal so he's coming up with excuses. He'd be better off learning how to close the deal.

[FireStarter]

Any time you sleep with a woman who has a boyfriend/husband you're risk of violence increases.

When you know the guy, the risk increases even more. Not every man in that situation is going to initiate violence, but there are enough that it's an aspect that would be foolish to ignore.

There's also the social risk. If the other men think there's a chance you're going to try to sleep with their women, there's a good chance they're not going to trust having you around.

Leaving out the morals of this situation (no-one ever agrees on them anyway), it comes down to a risk vs reward problem. I don't believe that weighing up the risks and saying that the rewards are not worth it, is blue pill.

[Mikan]

She's laying the rationalization groundwork to avoid blame or shift the blame to you if she gets caught. Women are a lot less confusing when you understand the dual motivations of getting what they want and avoiding consequences of their actions. These two drives are the raison d'etre of feminism.

Good news, if she is already putting token effort into avoiding the consequences of sleeping with you, then she is thinking about sleeping with you.

[BassPlayaYo]

(07-06-2016 11:44 AM)GreenHills Wrote:  

So I met this girl through social circle, pretty hot Eastern European. 32 years old, but I found that our through LinkedIn, she looks 27 at most. She was into me, sitting next to me on a table and paying attention to everything I say. She then texts me on the weekend, asks how my weekend is. We exchange a few texts I ask her out for a drink.

Girl then says she's dating an acquaintance of mine, but they had an argument and he's out of the country and she'd hate to hurt him or me, but she'd like to go out as friends. Huh. What is this about? She wants a backup orbiter? If she had a cool and interesting personality, I'd be ok with going out as friends, but she's a 32 years old career girl and these types of women have nothing of interest to me as "friends".

I'm leaning towards letting her know that when I'm not a backup option, I'd get a drink with her (in nicer words of course).

If you're trying to get some pussy from this chick you're thinking about things in the wrong way. It doesn't matter who's she dating and it doesn't matter if she's the perfect chick that checks off all of your boxes. If you have the opportunity to engage her and get to the panties this is what you do because this is what she wants to do. "backup option"??? You want to establish "ownership", forget all of that, experience the moment, get the pussy if she's giving it and for as long as she's giving it.

"She'd hate to hurt him or me", meaning she will if given the opportunity.