[LeightonBlackstock]

Thanks for sharing this with everyone Vincent.

Easy to fall into a trap like this even if you're well - educated on women and are careful. Life has grey areas, sometimes we oversimplify it on this forum.

Now tell us what we really want to hear! How was the 'I'm not the Father' party?!

[Travesty]

Was raw dogging here and there for a bit in the last 6 months.

No mas amigos.

No mas.

[El Chinito loco]

After seeing, reading, and hearing first hand accounts of many stories of girls trying shit on foreign men in southeast asia i'm convinced a lot of these girls try stuff on white guys they wouldn't dare try on asian guys. The reason being is they know it will work.

It's a cultural thing. Some girls see a big cultural blind spot there and know how to exploit it. If some Thai girl told some Thai guy that she was pregnant with his baby. Chances are far greater than 50% the response would be either "so what?" or "it's not mine, go away." The face loss would be great. So these girls already know what the response will likely be so they don't even try this shit on asian guys.


In the Philippines it wouldn't even be 50/50. A filipino dude would be riding off into the sunset before she could get the words out of her mouth.

When was the last time you heard a filipina chasing a korean dude around with a baby claim? It wouldn't fly for a second. Kimchi man would be on a plane back to Seoul faster than you can say Bulgogi.

[VincentVinturi]

^^^
Totally.

[Dr. Howard]

(07-04-2016 04:51 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

After seeing, reading, and hearing first hand accounts of many stories of girls trying shit on foreign men in southeast asia i'm convinced a lot of these girls try stuff on white guys they wouldn't dare try on asian guys. The reason being is they know it will work.

It's a cultural thing. Some girls see a big cultural blind spot there and know how to exploit it. If some Thai girl told some Thai guy that she was pregnant with his baby. Chances are far greater than 50% the response would be either "so what?" or "it's not mine, go away." The face loss would be great. So these girls already know what the response will likely be so they don't even try this shit on asian guys.


In the Philippines it wouldn't even be 50/50. A filipino dude would be riding off into the sunset before she could get the words out of her mouth.

When was the last time you heard a filipina chasing a korean dude around with a baby claim? It wouldn't fly for a second. Kimchi man would be on a plane back to Seoul faster than you can say Bulgogi.

I can see this filipino dude's flip flops barely touching the ground before he is popping a wheelie on his scooter and tearing out of there.

[eradicator]

(07-04-2016 04:19 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

Was raw dogging here and there for a bit in the last 6 months.

No mas amigos.

No mas.

I was going to ask if you ever went and found a foreign bride and how that panned out. Are you still planning on trying that?

[Quintus Curtius]

(07-04-2016 04:51 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

A filipino dude would be riding off into the sunset before she could get the words out of her mouth.

When was the last time you heard a filipina chasing a korean dude around with a baby claim? It wouldn't fly for a second. Kimchi man would be on a plane back to Seoul faster than you can say Bulgogi.

Totally true....

[EDantes]

Terrible story, sorry to hear that - just shows how selfish and unlady-like woman can be when they're looking for a 'golden nugget'.

Not aware of the laws there, but I know in some US states a man can be forced to pay child support if he brings a child into his home for a certain number of months even if he's proven not to be the biological father.

[LeightonBlackstock]

Going off topic a bit....

But I keep reading in this thread that in America they can make you pay for a child that's not biologically your own?! Did I read that right?

How does that work? And why?

[1026]

Dude has a hunnit rep points.
& he's cuckold for over a year.

That's fucked up man.

[VincentVinturi]

(07-05-2016 03:07 AM)1026 Wrote:  

Dude has a hunnit rep points.
& he's cuckold for over a year.

That's fucked up man.

What's one thing got to do with another?

You think it can't happen to you...?

Besides, I was still getting my kicks on the side.

[porscheguy]

You have to admit that few things in life are as gratifying as shooting an 8 rope load into a nice, tight Thai girl.

[1026]

On a forum like this I'd think you'd have above average game.

& a better understanding of the solipstic nature of women.

13months + pregnancy window is a log time to get lead by the nose.

& I don't think it can't happen to me.
In '07 I had a pregnancy scare that never came to fruition (dunno if she was really pregnant or aborted to this day)

She admitted later she had a boyfriend she was giving it to raw.
But that I would have made such a good dad... Yeesh!

Paternity fraud can happen to anyone.
Stealing a newborn away for a DNA test sucks ass - but it's the only real option a man has to ensure his legacy is just that.

His.

[MidJack]

(07-05-2016 02:59 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

Going off topic a bit....

But I keep reading in this thread that in America they can make you pay for a child that's not biologically your own?! Did I read that right?

How does that work? And why?

There are a few mechanisms.

- Our national Department of Health and Human Services pays hospitals to pressure men into signing affirmation of paternity statements at the child's birth. These can only be undone with immediate action from an attorney. If a man can't afford representation then or later learns they are not the father, they are legally bound for 18 years. Hundreds of thousands of these statements are signed per year.

- If you act as the father for a period of time, that can be the basis for a civil suit to obtain child support, even if DNA evidence proves otherwise.

- If a claim of paternity is made, and you are unaware of it, child support can still be assessed against you. In many jurisdictions you must satisfy all outstanding child support due before making a legal challenge. This can be impossible.

The US federal government pays matching funds to every state for every dollar of child support collected. It is actually in each state's interest to assess as much child support as possible. A book called Taken Into Custody covers the subject in detail. I consider it required reading for any young man in America.

[RedPillUK]

When you're about to have sex, and you're fully intending on using a condom.. and the girl then says.. "it's ok, I'm on birth control" or "It's ok I start my period tommorow" or "It's ok, I'm infertile" or whatever she says, do you really think the man is in the right frame of mind right then to process that information and think about it?

Of course not, I've fallen for it before and done the same fucking thing more than once.

It's evil manipulation and that's why I get pissed off when people then blame the father "use protection, it was your own fault etc etc"

That is bullshit. It is very very difficult to stop yourself and not believe her in that situation.

[R Smoov]

Everyone's mood:

[Svoboda]

(07-03-2016 09:17 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

The most christian, riteous, virginal woman will become a conniving kardashian if she is caught messaging some other man or facebook, or worse yet with his dick in her mouth. Men have an instinctual "fight or flight" response, women have a "lie or create a scene" response.

This is gold!

[LINUX]

(07-05-2016 03:07 AM)1026 Wrote:  

Dude has a hunnit rep points.
& he's cuckold for over a year.

That's fucked up man.

Maybe he has 100 rep points because he can make an honest thread over something that happened and what he learned from it, instead of trying to be some bad-ass internet persona that has all the answers.

Welcome to real life, where even then biggest players sometimes make mistakes and learn from them. If we had more of these threads on here, maybe we would have something else to talk about instead of politics and immigration.

Unfortunately, most guys don't write them due their ego and having to deal with comments from people like you that serve no purpose really.

What I took from the ordeal is that Vincent offered to step up to the plate to be a father, instead of hitting the road like most guys would, and then creating a thread about why they hate single moms.

[Brodiaga]

Hey Vince,

Posts like yours are why I am an RVF forum member. Many guys have read your post and even more guys will. I'm sure it will save at least a few guys from becoming cuckolds. You are doing a public service by sharing this.

Also, this is another reason to stay and game in a country like Thailand. You found out the child isn't yours and just told the girl to get lost. What would you do if it happened in the US or another Western country? Chances are you'd probably still be on the hook or have to spend a fuck ton of money on lawyers.

It's understood that women can't be trusted, but we have to take this idea one step farther. In my opinion, even if you have a bit of money oh hoping to make money in the future, you have to take preventative steps to make sure a lying bitch can't get a hold of it by claiming she has your child or any other shenanigans. Keep the money overseas/offshore if you can. Never tell anybody how much money you have. Don't even tell bitches your real name if you can get away with it. You are John Smith with a dick and a bunch of cool pics on your fake Facbook/Tinder account, and that's they need to know.

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-05-2016 04:16 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Maybe he has 100 rep points because he can make an honest thread over something that happened and what he learned from it, instead of trying to be some bad-ass internet persona that has all the answers.

Exactly. Note that VV's post has 111 likes.

Life isn't constant forward progress for any player.

Roosh talks about striking out with women.

Quintus recently-mentioned wishing he'd understood women better when he was younger.

Some of the higher-repped members laugh about fucking up in the Game section.

I keep saying, no matter how great your game, you can't make a woman who doesn't want to bang you have sex with you, and, even then, there's still random chance involved and you can never predict what will shut a woman down entirely during the gaming process. I formulated the Four Rules due to being fucked over by women in my life, and noticing the similarity in process. You don't come up with a theory like that if women haven't made you tear your hair out over the years.

We're men, we bounce back from our failures, usually stronger and wiser. The Great Men are the ones who might vent their frustration, but then pick themselves up, laugh about their losses, and then keep moving forward.

VV vented, and is already moving forward. Good on him. He has my respect.

[Rigsby]

Ah ah. What a joke. What a comedy of errors.

What another twig of a tree, blown in the wind.

So another good decent man got caught.

Vincent is not some kind of noob. He's a master of the art. Of how to live well.

This is no man whore desperate for lays or approval. Just a fella living his life.

Confident enough in his own means to display his little falter. Stronger for it. He did not ask for calls of pity from the brotherhood. But he got some pretty good feedback and a few 'we're on your sides'. Don't get better than that.

'Tis but a scratch.

Where most men, by this point, being balls deep into the situation, would have just gone with it, VV went with his higher (lower) instincts. He was just being prudent. Yes, he let emotion get the better of him, because he was already strong, had already built up - remember this can happen to you too - was his cry!

The greatest lesson from this. The only lesson from this.

And he did what needed to be done.

This is just grist for the mill. Fodder.

I have no opinion at all. Except for seeing another brother able to talk about the defeat. To warn other brothers. So many stories like this. So many not shared.

VV's post is an exercise in humility. It's a warning shot across the bows also, to those that will listen.

This is real practical verifiable information. And from the heart. A hardened heart, now, yes. But it will love again. Maybe AWALT. Maybe not. It's for every man to decide for himself. But this heartfelt display of vulnerability will only gird the loins of any true warrior venturing forth.

VincentVinturi, I salute you.

[VincentVinturi]

(07-05-2016 05:11 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Hey Vince,

Posts like yours are why I am an RVF forum member. Many guys have read your post and even more guys will. I'm sure it will save at least a few guys from becoming cuckolds. You are doing a public service by sharing this.

Also, this is another reason to stay and game in a country like Thailand. You found out the child isn't yours and just told the girl to get lost. What would you do if it happened in the US or another Western country? Chances are you'd probably still be on the hook or have to spend a fuck ton of money on lawyers.

It's understood that women can't be trusted, but we have to take this idea one step farther. In my opinion, even if you have a bit of money oh hoping to make money in the future, you have to take preventative steps to make sure a lying bitch can't get a hold of it by claiming she has your child or any other shenanigans. Keep the money overseas/offshore if you can. Never tell anybody how much money you have. Don't even tell bitches your real name if you can get away with it. You are John Smith with a dick and a bunch of cool pics on your fake Facbook/Tinder account, and that's they need to know.

100%.

I have to admit I miss having xSplat around.

He fiercely advocated always being in a position of absolute strength, power and leverage, so much so that engaging in any shenanigans was all downside for your woman(s).

I'm of the same mind now.

You need to have social, financial, psychological, physical and any other kind of clout you can get.

Although there are rare exceptions, any guy who really thinks he can keep a woman loyal/honest to him, especially in the West, is dreaming.

She needs to voluntarily enter into a position of subservience and submission to you because you are a superior option.

And transgressing against you results in total loss of privileges of being around you and enjoying what you can offer at best, and total apocalyptic destruction of her life at worst (if it's deserved).

It's got to be all upside for playing by your rules and all downside for breaking them.

[Kona]

(07-05-2016 03:07 AM)1026 Wrote:  

Dude has a hunnit rep points.
& he's cuckold for over a year.

That's fucked up man.

I say you're not a player at all UNTIL you've been through something like this.

If you bang enough women something like this will happen. Its a numbers game.

Aloha!

[Captainstabbin]

I had a girlfriend who once told me that, if a woman is really into a guy, she can stop taking her birth control pills regularly and actually BELEIVE that she's still taking them. Her mind will rationalize a reason why there are leftover pills in the package.

That scared me.

[WalterBlack]

(07-04-2016 04:51 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

After seeing, reading, and hearing first hand accounts of many stories of girls trying shit on foreign men in southeast asia i'm convinced a lot of these girls try stuff on white guys they wouldn't dare try on asian guys. The reason being is they know it will work.

It's a cultural thing. Some girls see a big cultural blind spot there and know how to exploit it. If some Thai girl told some Thai guy that she was pregnant with his baby. Chances are far greater than 50% the response would be either "so what?" or "it's not mine, go away." The face loss would be great. So these girls already know what the response will likely be so they don't even try this shit on asian guys.


In the Philippines it wouldn't even be 50/50. A filipino dude would be riding off into the sunset before she could get the words out of her mouth.

When was the last time you heard a filipina chasing a korean dude around with a baby claim? It wouldn't fly for a second. Kimchi man would be on a plane back to Seoul faster than you can say Bulgogi.

I would say women from a Confucian based background - Chinese, Japanese, Korean are more classy and better marriage material than most SE Asians. Their cultures are stricter.

How acceptable is a it to be single mother in China, Japan or Korea? Compare this with Filipino or Thai women - the fact that it's acceptable to be a single mother enables them to have leverage over Western men.

To the OP, even though she was a middle-class Thai, you're (probably) wealthier than she is and you're a citizen of a western country, so you're still a step up.

A friend of mine is married to a rich Thai woman (he's pretty wealthy himself) - the wife told me that most wealthy Thai women wouldn't marry a western man. The massive loads of men there for p4p ruin the reputation of other western men for rich Thai women.