[Hades]

Women have a very interested brand of sociopathy, wheir their rationalization hamster will program lies backwards into the subconscious. Almost all women have this. I have a short story.

I observe things carefully.

Just the other day I went to a junk shop I've never been. Found a copy of Shakespeares works from 1920. I stated with confidence to the cashier that I was thinking of buying her blacksmith tools. She blinked and immediately said "Yeah, you and your mom were here a few weeks ago, looking at those!" I said "Sure, why not?" even though I never go a-thrifting with Mom. She hates shopping. Women are amazing liars, and like previously stated, they remember lies as actual memories.

Thanks for sharing VV, yeah I will try to stay vigilant too.

[Quintus Curtius]

It's always good to hear these stories every few months. We need refreshers and reminders of how the real world works.

I'm happy for Vincent.

I would add one thing to this story, and that is this: never underestimate the perversity factor in some women. What I mean by this is: sometimes women will do perverse or sadistic stuff for no apparent reason than for the thrill of drama.

As men, we tend to think that there must be a "logical" reason behind every female action. And sometimes there just isn't.

These types of women don't really want your money, your soul, or whatever. They just want to create havoc. I never used to believe it, but now I do.

.

[redbeard]

Whenever established forum members slow down their posting, I wonder if they got married, killed, stuck in a bad business deal, or are just surfing on an island that doesn't have Wi-Fi. It looks like Vincent was playing daddy for a few months, glad to see him back

I applaud Vincent's admission, it takes balls to be able to take such a defeat and admit it publicly, and I hope that we can all learn from this.

[LeeEnfield303]

(07-03-2016 10:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

As men, we tend to think that there must be a "logical" reason behind every female action. And sometimes there just isn't.

These types of women don't really want your money, your soul, or whatever. They just want to create havoc. I never used to believe it, but now I do.

.

Absolutely. Any man who dares to risk anything of consequence on the supposed logic and rationality of a woman is playing Russian Roulette with 4 chambers loaded.

[Kaizen]

Once Again CR sums it up

3:25 most relevant

[Mr. D]

(07-03-2016 04:08 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

A little over 2 years ago I started casually dating a Thai chick in Bangkok.

We met on and off for months primarily to hook up.

We met for a mini vacation at Samui island where she assured me that she was diligently taking birth control and that it was ok for me to finish inside her.

Like an idiot I believed her and put the thing where it was meant to go.

Some 3 months later I get a text from her informing me that she’s with child; my child, to be exact.

I grilled her about whether or not she’d been hooking up with anybody else.

She assured me I was the only one.

She even dared me to go get a DNA test to prove it.

I figured if she was that sure to the point of suggesting I get the test then the kid MUST be mine.

Hard to say if this was a brilliant reverse-psychology ploy on her part or if she really believed I was the father.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago.

I’d been spending time whenever I could find it with my baby mama and my son, who is now 13 months old.

Baby mama even moved to the city I live in and was in the process of opening her own small business to be near me.

Now that things were getting serious I decided to do a DNA test to be sure this was really my kid.

After all, he looks nothing like me.

Earlier when I’d brought up our uncanny lack of resemblance, baby moms trivialized my concern and said that my son had my ears…

Peculiar considering I’m a carbon copy of my dad, and he, his.

I plunked down the $500 for the DNA test, got the kit in the mail, swabbed my cheek and his cheek, and sent it off to the lab.

I honestly was expecting the results to come in and confirm that this was definitely my boy.

Baby moms had me almost totally convinced.

Results came in and said that there was 0% genetic overlap between myself and the youngin’.

In other words: categorically, undeniably NOT MY KID.

When I presented homegirl with the evidence, she admitted that she had indeed taken another man’s D during that same time period.

She said though, that he hadn’t cum and she didn’t think it could possibly have been his.

I immediately dissolved our relationship and warned her to stay the hell away from me.

As far as I’m concerned, she’s a dangerous sociopath.

First and foremost, I blame myself for not taking the DNA test right away.

That was a majorly stupid move on my part and for anybody reading this who may, god forbid, find himself in a similar situation - do the damn test.

And moreover, do it secretly so that you can figure out your next moves in a calm manner without the influence of the baby mama’s prevarications.

My conviction now is that this girl is a master manipulator of a caliber I’ve never seen before.

For any lie I’ve ever caught this girl in, she’s always somehow been able to convince me with plausible deniability that it wasn’t a lie.

She told me the other guy is rich.

Which, if that’s true, leads us to a number of possible scenarios.

Perhaps she encouraged him to knock her up in the hopes of scoring a golden goose and being set for life.

Perhaps he ran off.

Who really knows what happened.

Mind you, this isn’t some Isaan bargirl.

It’s a “normal”, middle class Thai girl from Bangkok, with parents from normal backgrounds, who own land, and who has a good job, has lived abroad, and speaks English well.

Also, I admit it’s possible that she really believed that I was the father.

But as the kid has a very distinct appearance, she probably had a good idea of who the father could be.

She flat out lied about having sex with any other men during the time of conception, so how could I possibly believe anything she says?

Therein lay some of the magic.

I can’t disprove most of her claims unless I have the hard data to do so.

Now that I have that data, she can make any additional claims she wants and they’re all plausible.

Looking at it from yet another angle, she had everything to gain by leading me to believe I was the dad and nothing to lose. Especially if the real dad bailed.

I felt like a chump after finding out.

I’ve been around the block a time or two and yet she played me like a fiddle.

You should’ve seen some of the reverse-psychology type bullshit she pulled, it was really expert!

Guys, I was really on the fence about posting this because I don’t like having my private shit out there for all to see and read and gossip about.

But this experience from beginning to end was stressful to the point that it visibly aged me several years.

And if I can prevent the same thing happening to just one dude, it’ll be worth the unwanted exposure.

***

Just a few things to look out for with chicks:

1. Reverse psychology.

Clever women know that men don’t like being forced or coerced.

Skillful manipulators NEVER try to coerce you.

Quite the opposite.

They say things like “it’s ok if you don’t accept it. I’m ready to be a single mom! I’ll be strong!” or “it’s ok I don’t need any money, I’m ok for now.” or “I don’t want to bother you or disturb your life.”

Good reverse psychology plays on a man’s conceit that he’s the arbiter of his life and makes his own decisions.

The woman denies needing him but accepts his contributions graciously.

In short, she makes him come to her and rewards him for it (with sex, gratitude, cooking, etc).


2. Plastic surgery.

Women who undergo plastic surgery are wearing their manipulativeness right on their bodies for you to see.

They get big tits because it tricks your brain into thinking they’re more genetically fit than they are.

They get chin jobs and nose jobs to fool you into thinking their facial structure is more perfect than it is.

Unless a woman is a true ogress and needs plastic surgery just to look normal, beware of any girl who’s had work done.

It means she’s sharpening the tools she uses to manipulate men and investing heavily in the hopes that the investment will pay off tenfold.


3. Reads Cosmo.

If your girl reads a lot of bullshit women magazines like Cosmo and Shmosmo and whatever else, keep an eye on her.

Have you ever read these things?

Their entire purpose is to give women more and more sophisticated technology with which to befool men and make other women jealous.


4. Affects pornographic mannerisms

Affected sighing, over the top lip-biting, dubious proclamations of multiple orgasms, stupid giggling that she turns on and off like a faucet.

Beware of this shit.

Incidentally, I find this kind of stuff to be a big turnoff.

***

This experience has made me very cynical.

I will NEVER trust women again, and nor should you.

You can’t trust women, period.

You can only trust women to be women.

And that there’s the rub.

A woman will do whatever it takes to achieve her aims.

The ancients warned men against the wiliness of females and history is replete with examples of great men corrupted and destroyed by those seductive, treacherous hos.

Never give a woman any power over you.

Never trust her implicitly.

Never believe what she’s telling you because women aren’t like men.

They lie without compunction.

Their word is worthless.

There are rare exceptions to these generalizations, I’m aware of that.

But if you keep a tiger as a pet don’t be surprised when it mauls you.

That’s it’s nature.

Likewise, women have a nature.

And no matter how lovely your girl seems, how trustworthy, how benevolent and guileless, remind yourself that she’s a WOMAN, she can flip 180 at any moment, and decide to royally fuck your shit up.

[Rawmeo]

That's a bummer. Thanks for sharing the story.

I know a guy who went through the same story, but only discovered the lie when the bastard was 5 years old. He wanted a DNA test but the girl was able to cry her way out of it several times, until one day he decided to make things straight and get tested. He already bought a house for her family, and discovered he was a cuckold. He left all that and returned to his home country.

Hope you get tested for diseases too; if she took "another dick", it means "a lot of other dicks". This girl will now understand what it feels like to become a cum dumpster, with no hope of getting a future husband, except if she manages to lock down a deadbeat loser.

But you know, despite all the story, some men decide to become cuckolds by starting relationships with single moms.

Fortunately for you (and for the other dude), Thailand laws provide no child support for children born outside marriage. I strongly believe that ALL countries should take example on this. You want a bastard - fine, but deal with the consequences. This means, both you and the other man who fucked her are in the clear - only her is left with this bastard that will become like a cement ball chained to her ankle forever - killing her chances of finding a prospects and letting the world know that she's a whore.

Therefore, girls have no interest in lying about birth control - in the West, girls can lie about that, then hold you by the balls to extract child support out of you - but here, she's on her own - and I think she didn't know that. Because if she did - she would realize that if the lies to you about birth control and gets pregnant, you can leave her with ZERO liabilities. Same thing for the other dude.

[Herr Lucifer]

(07-03-2016 10:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

... These types of women don't really want your money, your soul, or whatever. They just want to create havoc. I never used to believe it, but now I do.

.

[redpillage]

(07-03-2016 12:43 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Fortunately for you (and for the other dude), Thailand laws provide no child support for children born outside marriage. I strongly believe that ALL countries should take example on this. You want a bastard - fine, but deal with the consequences. This means, both you and the other man who fucked her are in the clear - only her is left with this bastard that will become like a cement ball chained to her ankle forever - killing her chances of finding a prospects and letting the world know that she's a whore.

Therefore, girls have no interest in lying about birth control - in the West, girls can lie about that, then hold you by the balls to extract child support out of you - but here, she's on her own - and I think she didn't know that. Because if she did - she would realize that if the lies to you about birth control and gets pregnant, you can leave her with ZERO liabilities. Same thing for the other dude.

[DrCotard]

Thanks for sharing your history. You dodged a huge bullet with that situation.

[Nascimento]

Thanks for sharing, man. Best wishes.

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-03-2016 09:17 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

I would say NAWALT when they are conscious. AWALT in crisis, or when their lizard brain kicks in.

I can see how guys would think this, but you have to break it down to a more mundane level.

This Rule happens every day:

Quote:

Rule #2: What's the least amount of effort I can expend to get what I believe I deserve as quickly as possible?

... and doesn't have to progress beyond that stage.

Look at the women around you more closely, particularly ones you are most prone to making NAWALT excuses for - your mother, your sisters, etc. Really observe their tactics objectively when they're trying to get what they want. It's much clearer to see the process in action when you have no sexual attraction to the girls in question.

Look, I'd consider my sister Woke. She's a very-intelligent woman - part of my childhood confusion over girls was not understanding that the women in my family were freakishly-intelligent by normal standards. She tries very hard to live a moral life and tries to focus on improving herself spiritually, and see's that as the 'goal' of her life, because her worldview is that we're repeatedly put back on earth to learn from our sins and gain wisdom each time until we're finally 'freed' from the learning process, and then we can finally be in the presence of God. I've heard her and her friend discussing Islam, and they don't fear it because they deeply-know if they stay true to God and refuse to renounce him, they don't need to fear the loss of their physical body, (a touching sentiment I've been hearing a lot of Christian women speaking lately).

So, knowing all that about her, that's she's strong and is spiritually-committed and tries so hard, she still has enough understanding of social realities to conform to Rule #2 when it suits her purposes.

Say she's having car problems: she suddenly becomes clueless and hyper-girlish and couldn't possibly-understand how a big, scary engine works, oh, and you're such a sweet guy for changing my tyre / checking my oil / replacing my headlight.

She knows how to do these things because she knows it's quicker and easier to feign female inferiority to get men to do the dirty work she doesn't want to do.

That's the thing with Rule 2: it's not always obviously-malicious. It can often have the appearance of niceness, sweetness and agreeability as much as being outright-combative. (It's interesting Vincent's post speaks of how he shares my hatred of Affected Porn Behaviour).

My mother's favoured Rule 2 tactic was passive-aggression and guilt: "I shouldn't have to tell you why I'm angry that you didn't [conform to desired behaviour], you should already know."

Remember that Step 3 can be very mild transgressions as much as serious ones, which is how I know my sisters reliable Step 4 tactic is to deflect criticism by turning her head slightly downwards, looking up with big Bambi eyes and, if she's really selling it, making her chin tremble ever so slightly. This usually guilt-trip guys into immediately stopping their attack because they feel like monsters and bullies and she's just a tiny little Disney Princess and looks so, so pathetic. No-one wants to kick a sad widdle kitty shivering in the rain, do they?

Remember Step 4 is about quick and easy results so often is about creating emotional empathy.

It might have worked on me if I didn't see her perfect this technique when we were kids. A mate of mine's game far outstrips my own, and he sees it for what it is. He does a fantastic impersonation of her.

My Step Aunt's favourite Rule 2 tactic is apparently using Sex as Bait and Reward for desired behaviour. How I wish I didn't know this.

I've seen some truly-appalling Rule 4's in my life.

[debeguiled]

^
^
Yeah, though those rule #2's can be hard to spot. That is why it is so important to see women under pressure, even if you have to manufacture the pressure yourself. It is like cleaning off a dirty windshield, and then witnessing an unsuccessful exorcism.

[Parzival]

Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son


Always do a test, one moment of weakness, feel safe, where you think you find the right girl your guard is down and the ko hit lands.

[Herr Lucifer]

In a nutshell: Judge things by the end results actions, not by the good intentions or whatever people claim. Basically, with women, consciously or unconsciously, everything is a means to an end. The question a man should always ask himself when dealing with women is this, "So, what is the "end" in this specific situation?". Thinking in these terms eliminate the veil that clouds perception. However, this is a very reductionist mindset.

(07-03-2016 05:21 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 09:17 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

I would say NAWALT when they are conscious. AWALT in crisis, or when their lizard brain kicks in.

I can see how guys would think this, but you have to break it down to a more mundane level.

This Rule happens every day:

Quote:

Rule #2: What's the least amount of effort I can expend to get what I believe I deserve as quickly as possible?

... and doesn't have to progress beyond that stage.

Look at the women around you more closely, particularly ones you are most prone to making NAWALT excuses for - your mother, your sisters, etc. Really observe their tactics objectively when they're trying to get what they want. It's much clearer to see the process in action when you have no sexual attraction to the girls in question.

Look, I'd consider my sister Woke. She's a very-intelligent woman - part of my childhood confusion over girls was not understanding that the women in my family were freakishly-intelligent by normal standards. She tries very hard to live a moral life and tries to focus on improving herself spiritually, and see's that as the 'goal' of her life, because her worldview is that we're repeatedly put back on earth to learn from our sins and gain wisdom each time until we're finally 'freed' from the learning process, and then we can finally be in the presence of God. I've heard her and her friend discussing Islam, and they don't fear it because they deeply-know if they stay true to God and refuse to renounce him, they don't need to fear the loss of their physical body, (a touching sentiment I've been hearing a lot of Christian women speaking lately).

So, knowing all that about her, that's she's strong and is spiritually-committed and tries so hard, she still has enough understanding of social realities to conform to Rule #2 when it suits her purposes.

Say she's having car problems: she suddenly becomes clueless and hyper-girlish and couldn't possibly-understand how a big, scary engine works, oh, and you're such a sweet guy for changing my tyre / checking my oil / replacing my headlight.

She knows how to do these things because she knows it's quicker and easier to feign female inferiority to get men to do the dirty work she doesn't want to do.

That's the thing with Rule 2: it's not always obviously-malicious. It can often have the appearance of niceness, sweetness and agreeability as much as being outright-combative. (It's interesting Vincent's post speaks of how he shares my hatred of Affected Porn Behaviour).

My mother's favoured Rule 2 tactic was passive-aggression and guilt: "I shouldn't have to tell you why I'm angry that you didn't [conform to desired behaviour], you should already know."

Remember that Step 3 can be very mild transgressions as much as serious ones, which is how I know my sisters reliable Step 4 tactic is to deflect criticism by turning her head slightly downwards, looking up with big Bambi eyes and, if she's really selling it, making her chin tremble ever so slightly. This usually guilt-trip guys into immediately stopping their attack because they feel like monsters and bullies and she's just a tiny little Disney Princess and looks so, so pathetic. No-one wants to kick a sad widdle kitty shivering in the rain, do they?

Remember Step 4 is about quick and easy results so often is about creating emotional empathy.

It might have worked on me if I didn't see her perfect this technique when we were kids. A mate of mine's game far outstrips my own, and he sees it for what it is. He does a fantastic impersonation of her.

My Step Aunt's favourite Rule 2 tactic is apparently using Sex as Bait and Reward for desired behaviour. How I wish I didn't know this.

I've seen some truly-appalling Rule 4's in my life.

[AnonymousBosch]

Two other thoughts:

- Progressive Millennial Males have been successfully socialised to think like Women and so, are starting to follow these predictive rules, not understanding that both strong men and all women are incapable of emotionally-sympathising with men, that Rule 4 will not work. See the recent thread on Dan Bilzerian vs Ryan DeLuca.

- A woman recognising you as being the one sexually-attractive man that she can't successfully emotionally-manipulate to do her bidding is where deep sexual and romantic obsession is born. Girls have fantasies of riding Untamed Stallions, not Cart Horses. This is every male character in a romance novel, and they're escapist fantasy because it resolves by the woman eventually conquering him. There's a reason why the stories end there. The game is won.

[Kona]

During the time you thought the baby was yours did you spend a lot of money on the two of them?

Do you have an accounting of the total?

Aloha!

[VincentVinturi]

(07-03-2016 10:27 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

VV,

This girl is not "brilliant", a "master manipulator" of some incredible "caliber", nor is she a "dangerous sociopath". She's just a normal woman, and she did what a normal woman does as a matter of course, which is to lie to a man who falls for her. It doesn't make her into a special monster, except to the extent that almost all women are.

You really liked this girl, she knew it, and she found it very easy to lie and deceive you. There's very little else to say.

You know I love you Liz but you've made a number of incorrect assumptions here.

First, I was in no way smitten by this girl.

I found her to be an easy and fairly decent lay.

That was the sole foundation of our liaison as far as I was concerned.

When "my son" entered the picture, I oscillated between bailing and sticking around.

Eventually I begrudgingly decided to stick around, mainly because I liked the idea of having a son and it provided amazing clarity/motivation.

Once you have kids your priorities change and you tend to do away with inane, time-wasting activities.

It's actually pretty cool.

Quote:

It's instructive that the reactions of guys on the thread are basically "wow" or averring that there is some "black pill" to be found here. It only shows how little most "red pill" talk really amounts to when push comes to shove -- that is, when a guy encounters a girl that he likes and that really does it for him.

She didn't "do it" for me per se.

She was the mother of my kid as far as I knew, and that's what did it.

There were cool perks, like going to the market with her and learning how to get fresh amazing Thai food at Thai prices, eating meals together, and doing family type stuff.

It kind of gave me a glimpse into what marriage is probably like.

But if I'd had my choice, I wouldn't have selected this girl to be my baby mama/partner.

The way it played out, I reluctantly decided to do "the right thing" and then made my peace with the humiliation of being roped into it.

I may not have wanted him, but at least he way my son.

Turns out, if you have any moral compass and inclination to do the so called right thing, you become an easier target to exploit.

Quote:

If you found it (porno behavior) to be a turnoff, let alone a big turnoff, she wouldn't do it. She only does it because it works. Why deceive yourself?

Again I respectfully differ.

She does it because she reads it in her chick magazines and thinks guys can't tell the difference between affectation and genuine enjoyment/ecstasy.

I certainly can tell the difference and on more than one occasion I've actually wanted to tell her to please stop talking while she said all manner of stupid porno things like "oh it's so big! Give me more, GIVE ME MORE."

I really hate that stuff and not only does it not do it for me, it actively turns me off.

Quote:

The words of a man who's been hurt, but men need women just like women need men. The truth is that you'll probably trust a woman again, and you might get luckier, or not. I think this experience shows that you're very far from being the disabused cad that men like to imagine themselves as being but almost never are, all "red pill" proclamations notwithstanding. Does that make them "chumps"? Yes, pretty much; but that's life.

I don't know man...

I was already pretty cynical about women before this experience.

But I had a glimmer of hope that NAWALT.

This was the clincher.

I will literally NEVER trust women again, except to be women.

I agree though that we need them and I'm not just going to stop doing my thang because I got burned.

You take your lumps and get back in the game and eat the fucking game for breakfast the next day: wrestling taught me that.

(07-03-2016 06:46 PM)Kona Wrote:  

During the time you thought the baby was yours did you spend a lot of money on the two of them?

Do you have an accounting of the total?

Aloha!

Couldn't've been more than a few Gs.

[Kona]

(07-03-2016 09:28 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 06:46 PM)Kona Wrote:  

During the time you thought the baby was yours did you spend a lot of money on the two of them?

Do you have an accounting of the total?

Aloha!

Couldn't've been more than a few Gs.

That's not bad.

I've been through a very similar situation. I'm happy it got cut off when it did.

Aloha!

[MajorStyles]

Aaaannd...I've been there.

Similar story happened to me when I was 18. Turned out the girl was just lying for the sick thrill of it, and she was not even pregnant (she had me duped for six months). The bitch just wanted me to suffer for no apparent reason - pure sadism. The incident turned out to be a good thing for me, because it forced me to eat the red pill at a young age. All my young, romantic leanings were left in a smoldering heap of ashes. I went from singing "Lady" by Kenny Rogers to "American Woman" by The Guess Who.

I was actually speaking about this topic with a friend last week. He stated that paternity cases are proven to be "not the father" around 1/3 of the time - 33%. That is staggering when you consider how many paternity cases occur in a year; that means thousands of men have your same story, Mr. Venturi.

Of course, more evil is the number of men who do not know. Men who are duped into pouring their love into a son or daughter that is not theirs. To providing a false veneer of fatherhood to an innocent child. And what happens if the child finds out when he/she is 18? All that love that he/she had for "Dad" is now proven to be a lie. And this woman who is "mother" has committed an emotional betrayal against her own flesh and blood. Even the devil would think twice about committing such a crime.

Sorry to hear about all this, man. Fucking sucks.

[911]

(07-03-2016 11:36 AM)redbeard Wrote:  



Whenever established forum members slow down their posting, I wonder if they got married, killed, stuck in a bad business deal, or are just surfing on an island that doesn't have Wi-Fi. It looks like Vincent was playing daddy for a few months, glad to see him back

I applaud Vincent's admission, it takes balls to be able to take such a defeat and admit it publicly, and I hope that we can all learn from this.

Hey, that is anything but a defeat, Vincent dodged the bullet big time, and came out from that experience a much wiser man!

Guys, a lot of shared wisdom on this thread, but I'm going to respectfully disagree about the general level of AWALT pessimism. I think the situation is a bit like diving in shark-infested waters, you need to have your guards on, and know what you're doing, but it's not a death march. You have to manage to keep a positive outlook on life, as long as you also are a realist. Bad experiences tend to darken your outlook to the point where you can't get yourself to find that admittedly narrow space that is still not dysfunctional.

As to Vincent's experience: first of all, I wouldn't trust Thai women. It's a bit of a honeytrap culture, sweet on the outside, rotten inside, and those values seem ingrained in the culture.

From my experience and that of a few good friends, the most reliable women in Asia are from Japan, and more specifically regional areas outside of Tokyo. Two of my best friends have lived there, in Nagano and Nagoya, both went to teach English (from the US and Canada) and came back home with wives 10-15 years ago.

Total peaches both... Feminine, attentive women, good moms that keep spotless houses and that take the abuse in stride. I've actually gotten on one friend's case because at times he takes her for granted. To give you an idea, he went on a double date as a wingman with his boss (who is single), and actually told her about it, didn't even have to hide it. She was pretty unhappy about it but bit the bullet. I put some sense into him letting him know that his wife and his two little kids are his most precious lifetime investments.

Physically, they are cute, high 7s in their 20s with a high kawai factor, fair-skinned, great natural smile. Not as long-legged or curvy as some KFC/MickeyD hormone-fed young Chinese women, but still pretty cute. The one great quality they both have is that they are strong women on the inside, while soft and feminine outside, exactly the opposite of many modern western women. They apply their strength towards taking care of their household.

I haven't given up on western women though, but I would say that my filters are pretty good. I'm an older dude (by this board's standards), made some mistakes (let a unicorn or two slide through). Vincent's "tells" are pretty good, I have never dated any woman that reads Cosmo*, or had any type of cosmetic surgery. (Is there a thread with an in depth discussion about "red flags"?)

And also, just because there are many good Japanese women out there doesn't mean that there aren't going to be any rotten apples in that pile, or that all the western ones are rotten; baselines and outliers...


*good take on Cosmo mag social engineering by Henry Makow:
http://henrymakow.com/130103.html

[Wutang]

[Walker]

Quote:

She even dared me to go get a DNA test to prove it.

Since she was lying, she must have been really confident that this line would bully you into submission. I wonder why?

[VincentVinturi]

(07-04-2016 02:16 AM)Walker Wrote:  

Quote:

She even dared me to go get a DNA test to prove it.

Since she was lying, she must have been really confident that this line would bully you into submission. I wonder why?

I guess you're trying to say she saw me as an easy target?

In which case you're probably right and I've already admitted as much.

It's really pretty clever because...

If she knew for certain that I was NOT the father, or at least suspected that it *could* be another man's baby - which she must have known otherwise she wouldn't have gone to the trouble of denying she was fucking other guy(s) at the time of alleged conception - then she'd have nothing to lose by daring me to take a DNA test, and quite a bit to gain.

Her confidence in my paternity was so epic that I thought it MUST be my kid.

And so I delayed doing the DNA test until he was about 13 months old, whereupon it struck me acutely how UNlike me he looked.

That, and things were getting awfully domestic and kids aren't exactly free to raise.

So if I was going to go through with being Daddy Vinturi, I needed to know for sure.

As is stands, she got 1 year+ of various kinds of support from me.

And if I hadn't deployed the DNA test, I might never have known, in which case her upside would have been ridiculous.

I do well in business, I have an American passport, I'm location independent.

I'm a catch!

And now that the jig is up, all she has to do is resume her sucker hunt.

And judging by the fact that I saw her on Tinder a few days ago (literally a week after the shit hit the fan), she's wasting no time.

And I really can't say I blame her.

She's pretty much relegated to hunting for foreigners now and she'll have to take what she can get.

No self-respecting Thai man (or farang for that matter) would shack up with a single mom with a half white baby boy who was abandoned by the father (which in itself can be a good indicator that she's not wife material).

She was going to start a small business here and already supposedly put a deposit down on the space.

Once the truth came out, I told her she'd better pack her shit and leave town or I'd see to it that everybody knew exactly the kind of whore she is, and that if I ever saw her with any man I'd immediately rock up and warn him about her.

I drove by the space the other day and it had a big red "FOR RENT" sign out front.

That made me feel good. Revenge is good.

I thought about taking it a step further by making a website with her name and picture and making sure that anybody who Googled her, be it an employer or lover, would learn the truth about this skank.

But I don't really have time for that shit and frankly I'm happier just to forget about this whole mess.

Still, it's nice to know that if I want to, I can destroy her reputation for a few hundred bucks spent on Upwork.

[Dalaran1991]

Thanks for sharing Vincent, big prop to you and glad you got out of it ok. I've seen guys older and wiser than you got burned horribly even if its not their child. The girl can always easily rope the state/family/clan in and forcing you into a hole. IF the girl really wants to nail you down, I dont think a paternity test would mean shit to her or the world.

I've always believe that for every player there is a normal Jane out there that can destroy him. I dont think anything short of a very handsome dark triad man with a strong degree of psychopathy can compete on an even field with a woman in terms of manipulation and deception. Women, even the most innocent of them, have this kind of socio/psychopathy that help them justify everything they do, and worse, they practice it everyday.

Be safe out there guys.