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I'm not the father
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I'm not the father

A little over 2 years ago I started casually dating a Thai chick in Bangkok.

We met on and off for months primarily to hook up.

We met for a mini vacation at Samui island where she assured me that she was diligently taking birth control and that it was ok for me to finish inside her.

Like an idiot I believed her and put the thing where it was meant to go.

Some 3 months later I get a text from her informing me that she’s with child; my child, to be exact.

I grilled her about whether or not she’d been hooking up with anybody else.

She assured me I was the only one.

She even dared me to go get a DNA test to prove it.

I figured if she was that sure to the point of suggesting I get the test then the kid MUST be mine.

Hard to say if this was a brilliant reverse-psychology ploy on her part or if she really believed I was the father.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago.

I’d been spending time whenever I could find it with my baby mama and my son, who is now 13 months old.

Baby mama even moved to the city I live in and was in the process of opening her own small business to be near me.

Now that things were getting serious I decided to do a DNA test to be sure this was really my kid.

After all, he looks nothing like me.

Earlier when I’d brought up our uncanny lack of resemblance, baby moms trivialized my concern and said that my son had my ears…

Peculiar considering I’m a carbon copy of my dad, and he, his.

I plunked down the $500 for the DNA test, got the kit in the mail, swabbed my cheek and his cheek, and sent it off to the lab.

I honestly was expecting the results to come in and confirm that this was definitely my boy.

Baby moms had me almost totally convinced.

Results came in and said that there was 0% genetic overlap between myself and the youngin’.

In other words: categorically, undeniably NOT MY KID.

When I presented homegirl with the evidence, she admitted that she had indeed taken another man’s D during that same time period.

She said though, that he hadn’t cum and she didn’t think it could possibly have been his.

I immediately dissolved our relationship and warned her to stay the hell away from me.

As far as I’m concerned, she’s a dangerous sociopath.

First and foremost, I blame myself for not taking the DNA test right away.

That was a majorly stupid move on my part and for anybody reading this who may, god forbid, find himself in a similar situation - do the damn test.

And moreover, do it secretly so that you can figure out your next moves in a calm manner without the influence of the baby mama’s prevarications.

My conviction now is that this girl is a master manipulator of a caliber I’ve never seen before.

For any lie I’ve ever caught this girl in, she’s always somehow been able to convince me with plausible deniability that it wasn’t a lie.

She told me the other guy is rich.

Which, if that’s true, leads us to a number of possible scenarios.

Perhaps she encouraged him to knock her up in the hopes of scoring a golden goose and being set for life.

Perhaps he ran off.

Who really knows what happened.

Mind you, this isn’t some Isaan bargirl.

It’s a “normal”, middle class Thai girl from Bangkok, with parents from normal backgrounds, who own land, and who has a good job, has lived abroad, and speaks English well.

Also, I admit it’s possible that she really believed that I was the father.

But as the kid has a very distinct appearance, she probably had a good idea of who the father could be.

She flat out lied about having sex with any other men during the time of conception, so how could I possibly believe anything she says?

Therein lay some of the magic.

I can’t disprove most of her claims unless I have the hard data to do so.

Now that I have that data, she can make any additional claims she wants and they’re all plausible.

Looking at it from yet another angle, she had everything to gain by leading me to believe I was the dad and nothing to lose. Especially if the real dad bailed.

I felt like a chump after finding out.

I’ve been around the block a time or two and yet she played me like a fiddle.

You should’ve seen some of the reverse-psychology type bullshit she pulled, it was really expert!

Guys, I was really on the fence about posting this because I don’t like having my private shit out there for all to see and read and gossip about.

But this experience from beginning to end was stressful to the point that it visibly aged me several years.

And if I can prevent the same thing happening to just one dude, it’ll be worth the unwanted exposure.

***

Just a few things to look out for with chicks:

1. Reverse psychology.

Clever women know that men don’t like being forced or coerced.

Skillful manipulators NEVER try to coerce you.

Quite the opposite.

They say things like “it’s ok if you don’t accept it. I’m ready to be a single mom! I’ll be strong!” or “it’s ok I don’t need any money, I’m ok for now.” or “I don’t want to bother you or disturb your life.”

Good reverse psychology plays on a man’s conceit that he’s the arbiter of his life and makes his own decisions.

The woman denies needing him but accepts his contributions graciously.

In short, she makes him come to her and rewards him for it (with sex, gratitude, cooking, etc).


2. Plastic surgery.

Women who undergo plastic surgery are wearing their manipulativeness right on their bodies for you to see.

They get big tits because it tricks your brain into thinking they’re more genetically fit than they are.

They get chin jobs and nose jobs to fool you into thinking their facial structure is more perfect than it is.

Unless a woman is a true ogress and needs plastic surgery just to look normal, beware of any girl who’s had work done.

It means she’s sharpening the tools she uses to manipulate men and investing heavily in the hopes that the investment will pay off tenfold.


3. Reads Cosmo.

If your girl reads a lot of bullshit women magazines like Cosmo and Shmosmo and whatever else, keep an eye on her.

Have you ever read these things?

Their entire purpose is to give women more and more sophisticated technology with which to befool men and make other women jealous.


4. Affects pornographic mannerisms

Affected sighing, over the top lip-biting, dubious proclamations of multiple orgasms, stupid giggling that she turns on and off like a faucet.

Beware of this shit.

Incidentally, I find this kind of stuff to be a big turnoff.

***

This experience has made me very cynical.

I will NEVER trust women again, and nor should you.

You can’t trust women, period.

You can only trust women to be women.

And that there’s the rub.

A woman will do whatever it takes to achieve her aims.

The ancients warned men against the wiliness of females and history is replete with examples of great men corrupted and destroyed by those seductive, treacherous hos.

Never give a woman any power over you.

Never trust her implicitly.

Never believe what she’s telling you because women aren’t like men.

They lie without compunction.

Their word is worthless.

There are rare exceptions to these generalizations, I’m aware of that.

But if you keep a tiger as a pet don’t be surprised when it mauls you.

That’s it’s nature.

Likewise, women have a nature.

And no matter how lovely your girl seems, how trustworthy, how benevolent and guileless, remind yourself that she’s a WOMAN, she can flip 180 at any moment, and decide to royally fuck your shit up.
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#2

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Thanks for sharing, for at least two reasons:

1) Cliche to say, but it takes a big man to admit he was wrong, especially when he's got a rep to protect.

2) Stories like these, from real guys who've got solid reps, are great reminders to the rest of us to be vigilant, no matter your experience level.
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They're the ultimate method actors, because unlike most men they can literally shut off the underdeveloped parts of their brain responsible for conscience and self awareness. They speak their lies with absolute clarity because they believe them utterly, and "it's not a lie if you believe it".

p.s. Agreed about having the courage to tell your story here. Well done. I'm sure that just about everyone here has some blue pill skeletons lurking in their closet. I know I do.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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#4

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Thanks for sharing, V. Sorry shit went so south. Know that you'll eventually move past this, if a little older and wiser.

Quote: (07-03-2016 04:08 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

You can’t trust women, period.

You can only trust women to be women.

And that there’s the rub.

A woman will do whatever it takes to achieve her aims.

Check this post, where I show the four assumptions I make in predicting Female Behaviour, (though there was some - rightfully-fair - discussion that it would only apply to Western Girls, I believe my logic applies to all women, and is why Female Sexuality is so cross-culturally restricted).

Understanding how the process happens, a man should always assume any attempt by a woman to control or manipulate his behaviour is Rule 2 in action.

If it's small, inconsequential goals on her part, you can dismiss further concerns.

However, if it's anything that has to potential to majorly-impact your life - or even something that has the potential to turn into something major - always, always assume Rule 3 in in play.

I don't care who she is or where she is from. Always assume bad faith and investigate more closely before making any decision in order to protect yourself. This also involves keeping a calm head when she expects you to act as a physical force of her will, though sometimes this can't be avoided.

I don't hate them for their manipulation and differing morality - it's just women being women. Once this sourness passes, you'll still find yourself able to love them. Hell, I can understand that when life was much more brutal than now it was a logical survival instinct for such a physically-weak sex burdened with childcare.

Once again, I'm sorry to hear you went through this. Hope you find peace.
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#5

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I'm sorry this happened to you Vincent.

I hope you can take a break from Thailand for a while.
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#6

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Quote: (07-03-2016 04:49 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

...
I don't hate them for their manipulation and differing morality - it's just women being women. Once this sourness passes, you'll still find yourself able to love them. Hell, I can understand that when life was much more brutal than now it was a logical survival instinct for such a physically-weak sex burdened with childcare.
...

My first rule for a successful marriage, and one that will be taught to my sons.

Accept that you will routinely have to forgive your woman for acting like a woman.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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#7

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Condolences for this unpleasant life experience. Thank you for sharing the details. It may help other men avoid becoming victimized like this.
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#8

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Quote: (07-03-2016 04:25 AM)262 Wrote:  

Thanks for sharing, for at least two reasons:

1) Cliche to say, but it takes a big man to admit he was wrong, especially when he's got a rep to protect.

2) Stories like these, from real guys who've got solid reps, are great reminders to the rest of us to be vigilant, no matter your experience level.

No prob.

I could give a darn about maintaining a rep.

I've been through so many girls it's not funny, nothing left to prove there.


Quote: (07-03-2016 04:49 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Thanks for sharing, V. Sorry shit went so south. Know that you'll eventually move past this, if a little older and wiser.

Yeah I'm good already man. [Image: smile.gif]

Apparently so is she.

Saw her on Tinder a week after the fact. [Image: tard.gif]

Quote:Quote:

Check this post, where I show the four assumptions I make in predicting Female Behaviour, (though there was some - rightfully-fair - discussion that it would only apply to Western Girls, I believe my logic applies to all women, and is why Female Sexuality is so cross-culturally restricted).

Understanding how the process happens, a man should always assume any attempt by a woman to control or manipulate his behaviour is Rule 2 in action.

If it's small, inconsequential goals on her part, you can dismiss further concerns.

However, if it's anything that has to potential to majorly-impact your life - or even something that has the potential to turn into something major - always, always assume Rule 3 in in play.

I don't care who she is or where she is from. Always assume bad faith and investigate more closely before making any decision in order to protect yourself. This also involves keeping a calm head when she expects you to act as a physical force of her will, though sometimes this can't be avoided.

I don't hate them for their manipulation and differing morality - it's just women being women. Once this sourness passes, you'll still find yourself able to love them. Hell, I can understand that when life was much more brutal than now it was a logical survival instinct for such a physically-weak sex burdened with childcare.

Once again, I'm sorry to hear you went through this. Hope you find peace.

Awesome stuff man, I just repped you.

Can't believe I didn't do it sooner.

Incidentally, I *am* sour but largely at myself because in retrospect it should have been totally obvious what a fruitloop this girl is.


Quote: (07-03-2016 04:51 AM)LINUX Wrote:  

I'm sorry this happened to you Vincent.

I hope you can take a break from Thailand for a while.

All good man, thanks for dropping a line.

Yeah I'm about Thailand-ed out.

Getting that wanderlust again.
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Quote: (07-03-2016 04:08 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

A little over 2 years ago I started casually dating a Thai chick in Bangkok.

We met on and off for months primarily to hook up.

We met for a mini vacation at Samui island where she assured me that she was diligently taking birth control and that it was ok for me to finish inside her.

Like an idiot I believed her and put the thing where it was meant to go.

Some 3 months later I get a text from her informing me that she’s with child; my child, to be exact.

I grilled her about whether or not she’d been hooking up with anybody else.

She assured me I was the only one.

She even dared me to go get a DNA test to prove it.

I figured if she was that sure to the point of suggesting I get the test then the kid MUST be mine.

Hard to say if this was a brilliant reverse-psychology ploy on her part or if she really believed I was the father.

Fast forward to a few weeks ago.

I’d been spending time whenever I could find it with my baby mama and my son, who is now 13 months old.

Baby mama even moved to the city I live in and was in the process of opening her own small business to be near me.

Now that things were getting serious I decided to do a DNA test to be sure this was really my kid.

After all, he looks nothing like me.

Earlier when I’d brought up our uncanny lack of resemblance, baby moms trivialized my concern and said that my son had my ears…

Peculiar considering I’m a carbon copy of my dad, and he, his.

I plunked down the $500 for the DNA test, got the kit in the mail, swabbed my cheek and his cheek, and sent it off to the lab.

I honestly was expecting the results to come in and confirm that this was definitely my boy.

Baby moms had me almost totally convinced.

Results came in and said that there was 0% genetic overlap between myself and the youngin’.

In other words: categorically, undeniably NOT MY KID.

When I presented homegirl with the evidence, she admitted that she had indeed taken another man’s D during that same time period.

She said though, that he hadn’t cum and she didn’t think it could possibly have been his.

I immediately dissolved our relationship and warned her to stay the hell away from me.

As far as I’m concerned, she’s a dangerous sociopath.

First and foremost, I blame myself for not taking the DNA test right away.

That was a majorly stupid move on my part and for anybody reading this who may, god forbid, find himself in a similar situation - do the damn test.

And moreover, do it secretly so that you can figure out your next moves in a calm manner without the influence of the baby mama’s prevarications.

My conviction now is that this girl is a master manipulator of a caliber I’ve never seen before.

For any lie I’ve ever caught this girl in, she’s always somehow been able to convince me with plausible deniability that it wasn’t a lie.

She told me the other guy is rich.

Which, if that’s true, leads us to a number of possible scenarios.

Perhaps she encouraged him to knock her up in the hopes of scoring a golden goose and being set for life.

Perhaps he ran off.

Who really knows what happened.

Mind you, this isn’t some Isaan bargirl.

It’s a “normal”, middle class Thai girl from Bangkok, with parents from normal backgrounds, who own land, and who has a good job, has lived abroad, and speaks English well.

Also, I admit it’s possible that she really believed that I was the father.

But as the kid has a very distinct appearance, she probably had a good idea of who the father could be.

She flat out lied about having sex with any other men during the time of conception, so how could I possibly believe anything she says?

Therein lay some of the magic.

I can’t disprove most of her claims unless I have the hard data to do so.

Now that I have that data, she can make any additional claims she wants and they’re all plausible.

Looking at it from yet another angle, she had everything to gain by leading me to believe I was the dad and nothing to lose. Especially if the real dad bailed.

I felt like a chump after finding out.

I’ve been around the block a time or two and yet she played me like a fiddle.

You should’ve seen some of the reverse-psychology type bullshit she pulled, it was really expert!

Guys, I was really on the fence about posting this because I don’t like having my private shit out there for all to see and read and gossip about.

But this experience from beginning to end was stressful to the point that it visibly aged me several years.

And if I can prevent the same thing happening to just one dude, it’ll be worth the unwanted exposure.

***

Just a few things to look out for with chicks:

1. Reverse psychology.

Clever women know that men don’t like being forced or coerced.

Skillful manipulators NEVER try to coerce you.

Quite the opposite.

They say things like “it’s ok if you don’t accept it. I’m ready to be a single mom! I’ll be strong!” or “it’s ok I don’t need any money, I’m ok for now.” or “I don’t want to bother you or disturb your life.”

Good reverse psychology plays on a man’s conceit that he’s the arbiter of his life and makes his own decisions.

The woman denies needing him but accepts his contributions graciously.

In short, she makes him come to her and rewards him for it (with sex, gratitude, cooking, etc).


2. Plastic surgery.

Women who undergo plastic surgery are wearing their manipulativeness right on their bodies for you to see.

They get big tits because it tricks your brain into thinking they’re more genetically fit than they are.

They get chin jobs and nose jobs to fool you into thinking their facial structure is more perfect than it is.

Unless a woman is a true ogress and needs plastic surgery just to look normal, beware of any girl who’s had work done.

It means she’s sharpening the tools she uses to manipulate men and investing heavily in the hopes that the investment will pay off tenfold.


3. Reads Cosmo.

If your girl reads a lot of bullshit women magazines like Cosmo and Shmosmo and whatever else, keep an eye on her.

Have you ever read these things?

Their entire purpose is to give women more and more sophisticated technology with which to befool men and make other women jealous.


4. Affects pornographic mannerisms

Affected sighing, over the top lip-biting, dubious proclamations of multiple orgasms, stupid giggling that she turns on and off like a faucet.

Beware of this shit.

Incidentally, I find this kind of stuff to be a big turnoff.

***

This experience has made me very cynical.

I will NEVER trust women again, and nor should you.

You can’t trust women, period.

You can only trust women to be women.

And that there’s the rub.

A woman will do whatever it takes to achieve her aims.

The ancients warned men against the wiliness of females and history is replete with examples of great men corrupted and destroyed by those seductive, treacherous hos.

Never give a woman any power over you.

Never trust her implicitly.

Never believe what she’s telling you because women aren’t like men.

They lie without compunction.

Their word is worthless.

There are rare exceptions to these generalizations, I’m aware of that.

But if you keep a tiger as a pet don’t be surprised when it mauls you.

That’s it’s nature.

Likewise, women have a nature.

And no matter how lovely your girl seems, how trustworthy, how benevolent and guileless, remind yourself that she’s a WOMAN, she can flip 180 at any moment, and decide to royally fuck your shit up.




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#10

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Glad you dodged that bomb Vincent.

This may seem like a stupid question but considering she's a
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“normal”, middle class Thai girl from Bangkok, with parents from normal backgrounds, who own land, and who has a good job, has lived abroad, and speaks English well.

why was she so intent on shacking up with you? Where I live, a middle-class girl could basically go whichever way she wanted, pick up another man from the numerous dating sites, and continue with her life.
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Quote: (07-03-2016 05:17 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Yeah I'm good already man. [Image: smile.gif]

Apparently so is she.

Saw her on Tinder a week after the fact. [Image: tard.gif]


Did you swipe right or left?
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#12

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Wow.

I'd been following the other thread where AB argues that AWALT. I wasn't 100% convinced. Maybe 95-99%.

I thought the biggiest liars and manipulators would be the ones with the most to lose, or conversely, the most to gain.

But this cautionary tale seals it for me. I ought to burn this post in my memory.
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Quote: (07-03-2016 05:17 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Yeah I'm good already man. [Image: smile.gif]

Apparently so is she.

Saw her on Tinder a week after the fact. [Image: tard.gif]

Between the shit girls used to pull on me when I was young and naive; the shit they try and fail to pull on me now; and the shit I see them constantly pulling on all my mates... as much as your story sucks, you've gotten off very lightly. Power on, mate.
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#14

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Jesus H. Christ, I wish I'd been able to give this advice earlier: paternity testing doesn't have to cost $500.

FOr future reference: Identigene does paternity testing for $25 testing kit + $89 lab fee. They'll ship the kit internationally for $55 and you would need to arrange your own return shipping to get the samples back to the US.

https://dnatesting.com/test-setup/

Otherwise you can order the kit with your next Amazon order to save on shipping: https://www.amazon.com/IDENTIGENE-DNA-Pa...00NVT79Z6/
If they've blocked international shipping through Amazon, you can get it delivered to a US-based re-mailer like https://www.shipito.com/ Shipito charges $2 to receive a package and gives you the choice of a few couriers and postal services for forwarding your packages to their final destination.


In any case, thanks for being so honest, VV. Yet more proof that it's dangerous to give a woman your real name and details.
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#15

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You live and learn. Here in the US a judge could, by court order, demand you pay child support for that child that isn't yours. Consider yourself lucky.

I don't think you will always be cynical especially when you start back in the gaming arena but it is best to have your guard up.
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#16

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Thanks for sharing Vincent. That must have been a terrible thing to go through. No man should have to worry about paternity rape.

Stories like this make me glad to be on #teamvasectomy

Game/red pill article links

"Chicks dig power, men dig beauty, eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap, men are expendable, women are perishable." - Heartiste
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#17

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Great to hear you've been able to move on from the chick so easily. Just curious though, how has it been moving on from the baby and thinking of yourself as a father? That seems like it would be the hardest part, going from holding a baby thinking it is your own son (albeit with doubts) to knowing for certain that he isn't. Shitty roller coaster of emotions right there.
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#18

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Thanks for sharing your story, I hope you recover soon in body and soul.

Man, this story is not even red pill, its black pill...

Deus vult!
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This is why "studied abroad" and "lived abroad" are such huge red flags with me. I've said this many times before women in asia who studied or lived abroad in the west are not to be trusted one bit. Along with strong western accents and better than normal slang useage which is considered unusual in most of southeast asia. Westernization is rapid and enticing.

Western values are highly feminized these days and appeal to hypergamous instincts. It's a siren's call for asian women.


Just because they don't have typical Isaan origins means nothing in this day and age. This is class propaganda. Everywhere else in Thailand looks down on the "Lao" northeast but whores are everywhere in Thailand. Any Thai can be a whore.

A whore is a whore. Low, middle, hi-so. As long as they exhibit the traits, along with whorish tendencies, they are whores.
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Quote: (07-03-2016 06:58 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Wow.

I'd been following the other thread where AB argues that AWALT. I wasn't 100% convinced. Maybe 95-99%.

I thought the biggiest liars and manipulators would be the ones with the most to lose, or conversely, the most to gain.

But this cautionary tale seals it for me. I ought to burn this post in my memory.

I would say NAWALT when they are conscious. AWALT in crisis, or when their lizard brain kicks in.

The most christian, riteous, virginal woman will become a conniving kardashian if she is caught messaging some other man or facebook, or worse yet with his dick in her mouth. Men have an instinctual "fight or flight" response, women have a "lie or create a scene" response.

All that can be done by a man is to minimize the risk, call a woman out when she gets into "lizard mode", and as Leonard said "forgive a woman for being a woman"

All women are like that. This is their first instinct when the shit hits the fan. Just like a man's propensity for violence and banging a great pussy even when its attached to an obviously crazy slut. What keeps us out of trouble is a reduction in opportunities for temptation and self discipline.

Excellent work on dodging the bullet Vincent. This shit has been going on since biblical times. Society created laws and punishments to keep men from devolving to their basic nature and being constantly at war. Cultural norms were created to keep women from acting like lizards and being lying, manipulative, cock hoppers all the time. The laws still exist, but the cultural norms have been eroded.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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#21

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Congratulations for getting out when you could. I'm happy for you, but I also feel sorry for the child whose life will be negatively affected because the mother is a conniving whore. Nevertheless, that is in no way your problem or responsibility.

Quote: (07-03-2016 08:46 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Any Thai can be a whore.

A whore is a whore. Low, middle, hi-so. As long as they exhibit the traits, along with whorish tendencies, they are whores.

Ain't that the truth. I only have one experience with a Thai girl, a girl I met on my last trip to SE Asia, and I ended up staying at her apartment for a week. On the surface, she was one of the sweetest girls I ever met - going out to buy me breakfast every morning, washing and ironing my clothes, refusing to let me waste my money on more expensive restaurants, massaging my back as soon as she returned from work..... From this limited experience, I understand how some guys get into trouble by falling head over heels for these Thai minxes.

However, I was astounded when she gleefully told me all about her sexual past. This girl was an absolute raging slut. I don't know why she felt compelled to tell me, and I don't know if she was exaggerating, but I suspect she felt free to not hide anything since she knew I was only there for a few days. Judging my her mannerisms, generosity and sweetness I would have never guessed the extent of her promiscuity, and had the situation been different and there was a chance we could enter into a relationship, and she chose not to share her past, I would have been completely fooled.

And yet despite this and other similar, more painful experiences, despite all the warnings on this forum, I still can't shake the idea that NAWALT. I know that this is foolish and I should listen more to my head than my heart.
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I swear... Vasagel (male BC) needs to get here ASAP! Best case is late 2018 as of now for those interested.

Thank you for sharing your story. As a man who loves to rawdog but is ultra paranoid about an accident baby, this is an important reminder to myself and others out there to think with your big head at all times!
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#23

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Thanks for sharing.

Perhaps when you're in a better place, you could write your story down and put it in book fornat, because:

A) When some bad shit happens to you, you might as well do your best to profit from it, and more importantly,

B) You might save someone from what happened to you. Feminists constantly try to discredit MRAs by saying, "False rape claims don't happen. Paternity fraud rarely happens." So the more men who come forward and speak of their experiences, the more blue and purple pill men get hit over the head with the fact that this shit is real. One of the biggest problems men have now is that we don't have other men to consult with. And one way to fight against that is what Roosh has done, what Cernovich and McQueen and Obsidian and even someone like Sandman has done--put your knowledge and experiences out there.
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Quote: (07-03-2016 09:17 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

I would say NAWALT when they are conscious. AWALT in crisis, or when their lizard brain kicks in.

The most christian, riteous, virginal woman will become a conniving kardashian if she is caught messaging some other man or facebook, or worse yet with his dick in her mouth. Men have an instinctual "fight or flight" response, women have a "lie or create a scene" response.

All that can be done by a man is to minimize the risk, call a woman out when she gets into "lizard mode", and as Leonard said "forgive a woman for being a woman"

All women are like that. This is their first instinct when the shit hits the fan. Just like a man's propensity for violence and banging a great pussy even when its attached to an obviously crazy slut. What keeps us out of trouble is a reduction in opportunities for temptation and self discipline.

Very wise words. This explains why the sweetest, kindest, girl who's never given you any reason to suspect she's anything other than rational and honest about her feelings can all of a sudden pull out some crazy manipulative shit when the going gets tough. What's extra tricky is it's not always easy to see that a woman is in a crisis.
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I'm not the father

VV,

This girl is not "brilliant", a "master manipulator" of some incredible "caliber", nor is she a "dangerous sociopath". She's just a normal woman, and she did what a normal woman does as a matter of course, which is to lie to a man who falls for her. It doesn't make her into a special monster, except to the extent that almost all women are.

You really liked this girl, she knew it, and she found it very easy to lie and deceive you. There's very little else to say.

It's instructive that the reactions of guys on the thread are basically "wow" or averring that there is some "black pill" to be found here. It only shows how little most "red pill" talk really amounts to when push comes to shove -- that is, when a guy encounters a girl that he likes and that really does it for him.

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Affected sighing, over the top lip-biting, dubious proclamations of multiple orgasms, stupid giggling that she turns on and off like a faucet.

Beware of this shit.

Incidentally, I find this kind of stuff to be a big turnoff.

If you found it to be a turnoff, let alone a big turnoff, she wouldn't do it. She only does it because it works. Why deceive yourself?

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I will NEVER trust women again, and nor should you.

The words of a man who's been hurt, but men need women just like women need men. The truth is that you'll probably trust a woman again, and you might get luckier, or not. I think this experience shows that you're very far from being the disabused cad that men like to imagine themselves as being but almost never are, all "red pill" proclamations notwithstanding. Does that make them "chumps"? Yes, pretty much; but that's life.

Just listen to some Teddy and call it a day...

Lookin' back over my years
I guess, I've shedded some tears
Told myself time and time again
This time I'm gonna win

But another fight, things ain't right
I'm losin' again
Takes a fool to lose twice
And start all over again

Think I'd better let it go
Looks like another love T.K.O.
Think I'd better let it go, let it go, baby
Looks like another love T.K.O.

Tried to take control of the love
Love took control of me
'Cause you lose all thoughts, sense of time
And have a change of mind

Takin' the bumps and the bruises
Of all the things of a two-time loser
Just tryin' to hold on, faith is gone
It's just another sad song






same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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