[Tex Cruise]

Bernardi seems to think so too, I'm now even more convinced that he frequents this forum. Could be our man.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/f...pzqak.html

[KeeperNine]

(07-06-2016 01:11 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

What happened to Turnbull? When he first became Liberal leader he was seen as a shoe in to beat Shorten in an election

It's the age of entitlement and ignorance.

The 4 major points of how the election slipped Labor's way this election.

The majority of people don't understand how company tax cuts boost tax revenue and grow the economy, hence it was seen as Turncoat helping his big business buddies.

Mediscare was a brilliant below the belt tactic and every entitled single mother and beta chump were shaking in their boots at the very thought of having to pay anything at all for their health. Nevermind that the "privatization of medicare" was an outright lie, we all know that emotion triumphs facts for the masses, which brings me to my next point..

Turncoat is an intelligent man and speaks mainly in dialectic, he explains a point or policy well, but rhetoric will always win. Shorten had a good campaign team and spat rhetoric straight at the heart of the masses.

And finally conservatives jumped the LNP ship en masse because of what happened to Tony 'Stop the Boats' Abbott. Bloody oath Tones.

[KeeperNine]

(07-05-2016 08:55 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

There are better ring-wing parties, albeit they're very small. This is one that I voted for, and they're almost like a Trump-style party:

http://australianlibertyalliance.org.au/...e-policies

ALA is my pick of parties at the moment as well, some solid policies there. Although their campaign was quite sub-par as reflected with the very low primary vote they received.

I wouldn't really call them Trump-style, but they are right-wing nationalists through and through.

[dasher]

(07-06-2016 05:05 AM)KeeperNine Wrote:  

(07-05-2016 08:55 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

There are better ring-wing parties, albeit they're very small. This is one that I voted for, and they're almost like a Trump-style party:

http://australianlibertyalliance.org.au/...e-policies

ALA is my pick of parties at the moment as well, some solid policies there. Although their campaign was quite sub-par as reflected with the very low primary vote they received.

I wouldn't really call them Trump-style, but they are right-wing nationalists through and through.

They don't really have anyone that is waving the flag & getting their ideas out there.

Once they find someone with even moderate ability in that area, I think they could really take off.

Though, if the LNP does fracture into a center and a separate right wing party, that's probably the end of all of the minor right wing parties that currently exist.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-05-2016 08:55 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

... The latest diatribes from One Nation et al about Chinese nationals buying properties in Australia are misguided. It is the party in power, run by whites selling out their own country, that they should be directed towards. The Chinese are only buying what Australia is selling.

Not entirely true. Chinese nationals are buying housing in Australia and New Zealand at a rate of knots. Money-no-object phone bidding for properties at auction, sight unseen, is not uncommon. This is often done through their children studying in the country temporarily and the properties are supposed to be sold when the students leave, but this rarely happens. There are laws against this but they are rarely enforced and the fines for breaching them are too small to be a deterrent.
So yes, Chinese nationals are illegally buying property and pushing up market values, pricing some Australians out of the market.

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One Nation also bitched about Asian international students, forgetting that they come with tons of money to boost the Australian economy, while generally not being able to get most student discounts, and these days they tend to leave after graduation.

Yes and no. International students, chinese included, have largely turned our universities into diploma mills where money goes in one end, degrees come out the other and education in the meanwhile is optional.
Do some digging into how teachers piggy-back international students on local students and make them do the lion's share of the work, not to mention the industrial scale cheating and plagiarism that gets ignored by the universities because "money".

I know people in the medical field that have seen Chinese nurses handed diplomas when they can't even draw blood or write a sentence in english for that matter.

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And let's not forget that Asian women help greatly bring down the BMI and weight average of Australian women. Without them, the average Australian woman will not be 74kg, you'd be looking more at 84kg+.

No argument there, and I'm hoping the next three years see a strong set of candidates for the Australian Liberty Alliance come to the fore.

Afterthought: One Nation's newfound voter base actually consists of white female 4s and 5s who hate the fact that female Asians are dragging down their relative SMV.

[Artiste]

(07-05-2016 08:55 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

...One Nation also bitched about Asian international students, forgetting that they come with tons of money to boost the Australian economy, while generally not being able to get most student discounts, and these days they tend to leave after graduation. And let's not forget that Asian women help greatly bring down the BMI and weight average of Australian women. Without them, the average Australian woman will not be 74kg, you'd be looking more at 84kg+.

I have one word for you, StrikeBack... Repped. Great post!

A Blessing

Considering the sheer amount of entitled white Aussie-born land whales here, I look to the heavens every day and say thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for your blessing of exotic women, especially Asians (including my current girlfriend who I'm screening for future-mother potential).

Just make sure you get 'em hooked before the Aussie culture does. [ref 1]

The Biggest Blocker

No matter the strength of a party's broader policies, any proposed or current governing authority that seeks to limit the quantity and quality of East Asian women visiting and living in Australia will never EVER get my support.

On that note I just heard about this from my girl, regarding changes to the student visa rules.

Cockblocking Immigration Department Wrote:

"...The income requirement is quite different to the current student visa framework. Your spouse or your parents will need to show official Government documentation of their income which has been issued in the 12 months prior to application. The minimum income required is as follows:
$60,000: single applicant
$70,000: applicant with dependents
This could be difficult to establish if you are from a country with low per capita income levels."

[ref 2]

What this boils down to is this: less attractive foreign women in my city. Cockblocked on a massive scale by the government. Now this really grinds my gears.

I would love to see the stats on the number of overweight female public servants who feel threatened when their otherwise whipped man tries to sneak an overly-long glance at that skinny, feminine Japanese student serving sushi rolls at the local take-away joint. [ref 3]

One solution could be to apply for a job in the Department of Immigration and sneak your way into the policy section, hmmmm...

*commence dream mode*

I have a vision of the future... one day a future Minister for Immigration gets divorce-raped by an increasingly obnoxious and fattening whitey, just as he is touring North East Asia to discuss vocation-based immigration deals. Like a bolt from the sky he is suddenly struck by a stunning realization - there are no fat chicks here! He comes back armed with a plan to open the floodgates to attractive, open and educationally-minded Asians for reasons of enhancing the economy and international relations. He would personally recruit a legion of (RvF-inducted) immigration officers who are so lovely and supportive of Women's Rights that 90% of approved visas are given to young females. He would also introduce an internship and tutoring program, whereby educated entrants are given the opportunity to receive mentoring from

*slap*

Ok, back to reality... [~sigh~]... well, we can all dream =)

References/Footnotes

1. Thoughtgypsy @ RvF - "RE: Anecdotes of how Western culture affects foreign born women"
2. "Student Visa Framework to be Simplified from 1 July 2016"
3. One key reason for the hate of men who prefer non-Western women, especially Asians, is that Western women feel (rightly) threatened by their thinness and other attractive features. These Westerners could never admit this or consider trying to make themselves better -- because that would contradict their fragile self-image based on delusions of grandeur -- rather, they try claiming that men want a "submissive doll" and use other false, self-serving shaming tactics...

Edit: added footnote

[fokker]

I voted for Pauline Hanson and the ALA at the election. First Brexit, now Hanson getting three Senate seats... Trump's sure to be POTUS by November.

[Eskhander]

I see a discussion of the Asian Question.

Some things that often get lost in these discussions, not passing a judgement either way:

Asian women make worse mates if we just go by divorce rates. Slightly higher, however it's worse when you realize the couples tend to be better educated and therefore less likely to divorce than normal.

This never gets mentioned for some reason

The other is that it is fallacious to assume asians are like super red pilled and get along fine with whites when they vote against white interests if we just look at Brexit, and US elections. Aussie data may be better I confess.

But let's see about Canada: http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1...on-suspect

Asian society is also more corrupt. Even Japan, is more corrupt than nearly any Northwestern European country. South Korea more so and China is especially corrupt. Even Taiwan is very corrupt, while places like Hong Kong and Singapore need draconian anti-corruption laws.

It's also why exam cheating is so common

HOWEVER, whites and asians get along personally based on data of neighbor preference

So when national identity in the West is at an all time low it's not a good idea to think their immigration is just fine. I suspect mutually self assured white and asian societies could easily get along but that isnt the current reality.

The reason why they are potentially worse than even Europe's situation in the long run is because the same arguments about being a drain are in many cases wrong and in others harder to make.

Citation needed on this: Afterthought: One Nation's newfound voter base actually consists of white female 4s and 5s who hate the fact that female Asians are dragging down their relative SMV.

^ not the case anywhere else in the Western world so I doubt it without a source. It would change my mind

[StrikeBack]

(07-06-2016 05:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Not entirely true. Chinese nationals are buying housing in Australia and New Zealand at a rate of knots. Money-no-object phone bidding for properties at auction, sight unseen, is not uncommon. This is often done through their children studying in the country temporarily and the properties are supposed to be sold when the students leave, but this rarely happens. There are laws against this but they are rarely enforced and the fines for breaching them are too small to be a deterrent.
So yes, Chinese nationals are illegally buying property and pushing up market values, pricing some Australians out of the market.

Again, Chinese nationals are only buying what Australians are selling. If it's illegal and Australians are not enforcing it, instead are happily taking the dirty money, then it's not the Chinese fault, is it?

I'm in the market to buy a home and like many others in my generation, I'm not happy with the Chinese buying up properties and pushing up prices either, but I don't blame them, I blame our traitors.

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Yes and no. International students, chinese included, have largely turned our universities into diploma mills where money goes in one end, degrees come out the other and education in the meanwhile is optional.
Do some digging into how teachers piggy-back international students on local students and make them do the lion's share of the work, not to mention the industrial scale cheating and plagiarism that gets ignored by the universities because "money".

I know people in the medical field that have seen Chinese nurses handed diplomas when they can't even draw blood or write a sentence in english for that matter.

Firstly those students bring in huge amount of money for this country. And secondly, the degree mill and actual low skill issue are not their fault - it is the Universities, largely run by leftist white Australians, are at fault. If they don't give out degrees like candies and instead enforce their own standards, it wouldn't be an issue. The international students don't have power to turn the Unis or Australian workplaces into anything that those places don't want to be. Did you know how hard those students have campaigned for the last 15-20 years to get public transport discount in Victoria and still failed? They can't even get that.

Students get away with whatever they are allowed to get away with.

Also, if you look at the immigration stuff in Artiste's post, you'll see that Australia only takes wealthy Asian immigrants at the moment. There are not that many of them, and the ones who do come here will bring a lot of money. They are a net gain.

Eskhander Wrote:

The other is that it is fallacious to assume asians are like super red pilled and get along fine with whites when they vote against white interests if we just look at Brexit, and US elections.

In the UK, their "Asians" are actually South Asians: Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalese. Not the East and South East Asians we refer to in the rest of the world.

In the US, it's not fair to say they vote against white interests, because it begs the questions: which whites are you talking about? Asians vote for Asian interests, and top of that list are the economy and family. In the past, lots were Republicans, but in recent decades, the GOP for some reason just assumed that they would vote left like all other minorities and did not campaign to get their votes. Asians slowly swung over to Democrats because that's the only party which gave them any attention. One example of this is the Vietnamese, who used to be very loyal Republicans.

Asians are very unlike other minorities, they do not benefit at all from Affirmative Action, in fact AA actively discriminates against them. They're also on average rich enough to not take anything from welfares, not to mention that their culture shames that very behaviour. Asians are treated as whites for the most part in Western society. Asian interests would definitely align with white interests (obviously except for leftist whites with their anti-family and virtue signalling crap) if the GOP actually pays attention. You are starting to see it now if you google Asian Americans For Trump.

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So when national identity in the West is at an all time low it's not a good idea to think their immigration is just fine.

Maybe, but you're also broke as hell, so immigration from wealthy Asians might not be a bad idea.

[Eskhander]

Eskhander Wrote:

The other is that it is fallacious to assume asians are like super red pilled and get along fine with whites when they vote against white interests if we just look at Brexit, and US elections.

In the UK, their "Asians" are actually South Asians: Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Nepalese. Not the East and South East Asians we refer to in the rest of the world.

In the US, it's not fair to say they vote against white interests, because it begs the questions: which whites are you talking about? Asians vote for Asian interests, and top of that list are the economy and family. In the past, lots were Republicans, but in recent decades, the GOP for some reason just assumed that they would vote left like all other minorities and did not campaign to get their votes. Asians slowly swung over to Democrats because that's the only party which gave them any attention. One example of this is the Vietnamese, who used to be very loyal Republicans.

Asians are very unlike other minorities, they do not benefit at all from Affirmative Action, in fact AA actively discriminates against them. They're also on average rich enough to not take anything from welfares, not to mention that their culture shames that very behaviour. Asians are treated as whites for the most part in Western society. Asian interests would definitely align with white interests (obviously except for leftist whites with their anti-family and virtue signalling crap) if the GOP actually pays attention. You are starting to see it now if you google Asian Americans For Trump.

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So when national identity in the West is at an all time low it's not a good idea to think their immigration is just fine.

Maybe, but you're also broke as hell, so immigration from wealthy Asians might not be a bad idea.
[/quote]

Very insulted you think I didnt know what Asian in the UK means. I mean Chinese voted against Brexit. Not really insulted but I'm just saying I know

Gonna use meme arrows because it is easier, despite being dumb looking

>Asians vote Asian interests

Point Proven

>family and the economy

So why do they vote Left?

>they do not benefit from affirmative action

Debatable. They dont for college admissions but there's a federal assistance program for minority owned businesses that they do benefit from more than anyone

Moreover, as you say, they care about Asian interests do it's far more likely that they would abolish Affirmative Action counting against Asians than AA altogether. Ie they would, intentionally or not, make it more anti-white than it is

The reason Asians like the collectivist democrats is because they are more collectivist (and muh Christianity doesnt appeal to them).

Simpler explanation

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/inde...vidualism/

Also, Asian immigration isnt going to resolve budgetary woes And I dont esteem money as highly as you I think

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-06-2016 06:51 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Citation needed on this: Afterthought: One Nation's newfound voter base actually consists of white female 4s and 5s who hate the fact that female Asians are dragging down their relative SMV.

^ not the case anywhere else in the Western world so I doubt it without a source. It would change my mind

I was actually just joking

[StrikeBack]

There are so few Chinese or East Asians in the UK that it seriously wouldn't matter what they voted for, and by the way how would you know this, as the voting was anonymous? Did you make the same mistake believing the media polls? In the Australian context, officially nobody here knows that I am a Trump supporter and vote for parties like the ALA. If asked by pollsters, I may not tell them the truth. Remember, Asians don't like conflicts and making a scene.

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The reason Asians like the collectivist democrats is because they are more collectivist (and muh Christianity doesnt appeal to them).

This is nonsense. Asian Americans (and Asian Australians as well) are there because their families ran away from the extreme collectivists that are the communists in their ancestral lands. Also, they're primarily Christians, part of the reason why their ancestors were persecuted and had to leave. It is this particular demographic of Asians (anti-communist and Christian) that came to the West.

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They dont for college admissions but there's a federal assistance program for minority owned businesses that they do benefit from more than anyone

So? Are you trying to turn that into a bad thing? They are the people who are most likely to contribute a lot to the economy, create jobs (which also help take other people off welfares) and pay more taxes. Damned if they get some well-deserved help... That is one program assisting minorities that you should be FOR, not AGAINST.

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>Asians vote Asian interests

Point Proven

It's a bit rich to criticise them for that, why would they vote for other people's interests if they are not taken care of? And which white interests should they vote for then? It's not like whites are a unified voting block.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-06-2016 07:46 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Again, Chinese nationals are only buying what Australians are selling. If it's illegal and Australians are not enforcing it, instead are happily taking the dirty money, then it's not the Chinese fault, is it?

No, they're flaunting our nations laws. This would be like saying "it's not the fault of muslim rapists in the EU for raping women. They're only doing what the police let them get away with. We should blame the police. Uhhh, no.

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I'm in the market to buy a home and like many others in my generation, I'm not happy with the Chinese buying up properties and pushing up prices either, but I don't blame them, I blame our traitors.

Seems like a sensible stance would be to blame them both the lawbreakers AND the enablers.

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Firstly those students bring in huge amount of money for this country. And secondly, the degree mill and actual low skill issue are not their fault - it is the Universities, largely run by leftist white Australians, are at fault. If they don't give out degrees like candies and instead enforce their own standards, it wouldn't be an issue. The international students don't have power to turn the Unis or Australian workplaces into anything that those places don't want to be. Did you know how hard those students have campaigned for the last 15-20 years to get public transport discount in Victoria and still failed? They can't even get that.

Students get away with whatever they are allowed to get away with.

Again. There's no reason not to blame the cheat AND the enabler. You're pushing an extremely blue pill mentality here that minorities and immigrants committing crimes and gaming the system are just being haplessly mishandled by whites. As for the money, you can't take money in one hand and then ply the whip with the other. So you get to choose. Do you want the foreign money or do you want a non-corrupt education sector because I guarantee you that you can't have both.

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Also, if you look at the immigration stuff in Artiste's post, you'll see that Australia only takes wealthy Asian immigrants at the moment. There are not that many of them, and the ones who do come here will bring a lot of money. They are a net gain.

That they are a net gain is your best guess, and only then would they be a net gain for certain people existing in certain levels of society. For the vast majority of Australians there is no benefit. Just rising house prices and diluted educational outcomes.

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Maybe, but you're also broke as hell, so immigration from wealthy Asians might not be a bad idea.

Everyone is broke as hell. We are now entering a period known as "buy everything tangible your soon to be worthless paper fiat currency can get you." We are idiots to sell this stuff, and while they may be simply taking advantage of our traitorous elites that doesn't make them less our enemy. People's voting is reflecting that, not because they're stupid, but because they're less and less plagued by the phoney white guilt that told them "the root of all negative outcomes in the world is white evil".

AFAIC the Chinese can keep their property money and their university money. It only benefits the elite at the expense of everyone else.

[Thoroughbred]

@ Strikeback

Plenty of benefits to the increased Asian immigration Australia sees. One of them isn't the retention of a national and racial identity, which what One Nation is angling for and the undercurrent of this discussion.

BMI stats and turnover of international students at privately run universities, while nice, contributory and a value add, are very insignificant when placed next to these concerns. There is a fundamental shism in values, even without hostility (which there is none with our Asian population fortunately, unlike others) and a cultural and spiritual allegiance to another land, another people, which affects the cultural fabric here.

What One Nation is seeking to bring to the table is a management of this beneficial factor - Asian immigration, while preserving the traits I mentioned.

Of course it's racist, we're all racist. You can't approach the challenges of race at a national demographic level, from a political party standpoint, without being racist.

Pointing that out and harping on it is hamstering.

For someone to address the very serious concerns of race, they need to be able to honestly and reasonably, without bigotry or hatred, discriminate based on race.

[Eskhander]

(07-06-2016 09:06 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

There are so few Chinese or East Asians in the UK that it seriously wouldn't matter what they voted for, and by the way how would you know this, as the voting was anonymous? Did you make the same mistake believing the media polls? In the Australian context, officially nobody here knows that I am a Trump supporter and vote for parties like the ALA. If asked by pollsters, I may not tell them the truth. Remember, Asians don't like conflicts and making a scene.

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The reason Asians like the collectivist democrats is because they are more collectivist (and muh Christianity doesnt appeal to them).

This is nonsense. Asian Americans (and Asian Australians as well) are there because their families ran away from the extreme collectivists that are the communists in their ancestral lands. Also, they're primarily Christians, part of the reason why their ancestors were persecuted and had to leave. It is this particular demographic of Asians (anti-communist and Christian) that came to the West.

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They dont for college admissions but there's a federal assistance program for minority owned businesses that they do benefit from more than anyone

So? Are you trying to turn that into a bad thing? They are the people who are most likely to contribute a lot to the economy, create jobs (which also help take other people off welfares) and pay more taxes. Damned if they get some well-deserved help... That is one program assisting minorities that you should be FOR, not AGAINST.

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>Asians vote Asian interests

Point Proven

It's a bit rich to criticise them for that, why would they vote for other people's interests if they are not taken care of? And which white interests should they vote for then? It's not like whites are a unified voting block.

You're interpreting judgments that arent there.

But my point was that people often mistakenly believe that they are the model minority in ways they arent.

Also whites dont need to be a voting bloc to have interests strictly speaking.

Yes I am saying the small business affirmative action given to minorities on the basis that they are minorities is a bad thing.

And I suggest you look at the link I posted. And the way asians vote. Again, Australian data would be best in my opinion and I dont have any.

But the leading voice of multiculturalism in Aussie society seems to be this Asian guy

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/pauline-ha...pypdt.html

I just dont see why anything I've said is controversial.

It is probably best if I just put my cards on the table. I would love it if Asian Immigration changed America from Brazil-In-Waiting to a Redneck Sino-Anglo Empire.

But the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. It could change if Asians realize that the grievance industry will devour them too eventually but that doesnt mean they will just because I think they should

HOLD UP! We actually have an opportunity to test this. An Asian cop just shot a black man. He's basically an Asian Redneck, very right wing, American nationalist. Stand up guy. He put out a video telling BLM to go fuck themselves.

And of course he is being referred to as a White-Asian Man

https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status...6150146048

You cant make this shit up.

Anyway, let's see how the American Asian Community at large reacts to this.

[Centurion]

I reckon if you don't want Chinese buying your property that's also saying you don't want Aussies/Kiwis being able to sell property for market value(and so force them to sell for below-market value).

[Rush87]

(07-07-2016 03:22 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

I reckon if you don't want Chinese buying your property that's also saying you don't want Aussies/Kiwis being able to sell property for market value(and so force them to sell for below-market value).

That would be an unfortunate side issue. I'm not sure that there are any many places on earth whereby $60,000 properties in the 1990's are now worth 3 million plus [I'm talking Sydney here].

Many Sydneysiders [Especially a huge proportion of people born into property] have been the beneficiary of extremely inflated property pricing.

[Centurion]

If the prices are inflated, don't you want Aussies/Kiwis to be the ones giving the albatross to someone else?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-07-2016 03:22 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

I reckon if you don't want Chinese buying your property that's also saying you don't want Aussies/Kiwis being able to sell property for market value(and so force them to sell for below-market value).

Allowing foreign ownership of anything is not an assumption. The opposite is the assumption. This is why we have these laws in place, and why special provisions have to be made for foreign ownership.

International Libertarian market principles? China could buy Australia without breaking a sweat and then break our backs with exorbitant rent, making back their money in a single generation and wiping us out economically and culturally.

We would become slaves in our own nation, what, so someone could make a few thousand extra bucks when they sell their home?

[Centurion]

That doesn't sound right. The money they have is equivalent value to the housing you have. More valuable if you think it's inflated. If they buy you all out you'll have a massive windfall. How can your economy be wiped if you just earned so much money and in a liquid form to do valuable investments as opposed to being stuck up all in real estate?

[Rush87]

(07-07-2016 05:20 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

If the prices are inflated, don't you want Aussies/Kiwis to be the ones giving the albatross to someone else?

Yes but it's not necessarily the reality. The property prices have forced a vast proportion of Australians out of the market entirely, meaning these inflated properties are going primarily into the hands of foreign investors.

In simple terms, the Australians who were the beneficiaries of inflated property prices are not selling houses to other Australians. They are selling primarily to over seas investors with numerous advantages [The Chinese no interest foreign investment loans for instance].

[Centurion]

(07-07-2016 06:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 05:20 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

If the prices are inflated, don't you want Aussies/Kiwis to be the ones giving the albatross to someone else?

Yes but it's not necessarily the reality. The property prices have forced a vast proportion of Australians out of the market entirely, meaning these inflated properties are going primarily into the hands of foreign investors.

In simple terms, the Australians who were the beneficiaries of inflated property prices are not selling houses to other Australians. They are selling primarily to over seas investors with numerous advantages [The Chinese no interest foreign investment loans for instance].

What I'm saying is if the house price is inflated- it's bad to have your investments in real estate. It's pretty bad to buy, and slightly less bad to *not sell*. Regardless, if you're nationalist and care about "your kind" you should try and give the hot potato to someone else not in your in-group and make them pay when the bubble bursts. And not be overly emotional about insisting on having a house.

My guess is that yes- house prices are inflated. In Auckland a lot of it has to do with building restrictions and being unable to build high apartments, but regardless there still seems to be an inflated price. People are insisting on buying due to the irrational belief that real estate is some kind of magical investment.

Chinese are buying due to a mixture of groupthink(real estate must be good) and reality(having money in China is bad because the communists would steal it all). Cause of this they're buying non-Chinese things left and right for much more than they're worth. Really you should be trying to rip them off hard.

[Rush87]

(07-07-2016 06:22 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

What I'm saying is if the house price is inflated- it's bad to have your investments in real estate. It's pretty bad to buy, and slightly less bad to *not sell*. Regardless, if you're nationalist and care about "your kind" you should try and give the hot potato to someone else not in your in-group and make them pay when the bubble bursts. And not be overly emotional about insisting on having a house.

My guess is that yes- house prices are inflated. In Auckland a lot of it has to do with building restrictions and being unable to build high apartments, but regardless there still seems to be an inflated price. People are insisting on buying due to the irrational belief that real estate is some kind of magical investment.

Chinese are buying due to a mixture of groupthink(real estate must be good) and reality(having money in China is bad because the communists would steal it all). Cause of this they're buying non-Chinese things left and right for much more than they're worth. Really you should be trying to rip them off hard.

I don't necessarily disagree.

Realistically, Sydney housing prices shouldn't be of too much concern for most people on this website. Expat living is fairly well documented here, and while real estate can be a great investment under certain circumstances, in Sydney it's fairly reckless… Anyone buying now, will stand to lose considerable money, unless they plan on holding onto the property a very long time. I don't think many of us have a spare few million anyway lol.

[Samseau]

The major racial flaw with East Asians is that they are extremely conformist. Another way of putting it is saying they lack individualism.

The reason East Asians vote left is because extremely few of them can resist the brainwashing at universities. Whites and Blacks are far more naturally rebellious than East Asians are.

However, there is an upshot. If East Asians are placed in a conservative community and interact with conservatives all the time, they will become conservative within 5-10 years. They play along to get along. Most of them are politically indifferent at their core and have instincts not to oppose the herd in order to survive. I have East Asian friends who fit this description almost too well.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-07-2016 06:22 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 06:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 05:20 AM)Centurion Wrote:  

If the prices are inflated, don't you want Aussies/Kiwis to be the ones giving the albatross to someone else?

Yes but it's not necessarily the reality. The property prices have forced a vast proportion of Australians out of the market entirely, meaning these inflated properties are going primarily into the hands of foreign investors.

In simple terms, the Australians who were the beneficiaries of inflated property prices are not selling houses to other Australians. They are selling primarily to over seas investors with numerous advantages [The Chinese no interest foreign investment loans for instance].

What I'm saying is if the house price is inflated- it's bad to have your investments in real estate. It's pretty bad to buy, and slightly less bad to *not sell*. Regardless, if you're nationalist and care about "your kind" you should try and give the hot potato to someone else not in your in-group and make them pay when the bubble bursts. And not be overly emotional about insisting on having a house.

My guess is that yes- house prices are inflated. In Auckland a lot of it has to do with building restrictions and being unable to build high apartments, but regardless there still seems to be an inflated price. People are insisting on buying due to the irrational belief that real estate is some kind of magical investment.

Chinese are buying due to a mixture of groupthink(real estate must be good) and reality(having money in China is bad because the communists would steal it all). Cause of this they're buying non-Chinese things left and right for much more than they're worth. Really you should be trying to rip them off hard.

Again, all of this would be wonderful if there weren't a housing shortage already, deliberately conceived and implemented through ridiculous building laws and zoning restrictions for the purpose of maintaining our ridiculous housing price bubble on behalf of the big banks.

In New Zealand for example there is a shortage of rental properties at any price, because these Chinese investors are buying these properties and leaving them empty. Because they're idiots? No. Because suffering land rates and upkeep without any income is still a better deal than keeping any form of currency these days.

But what's particularly relevant is that we're not allowed to build houses, and we're being priced out of the market (wouldn't it be nice to be a boomer who had access to a market that was pennies on today's dollar) and increasingly we can't even find a place to rent.

So while boomers are cashing in and living the life of luxury the next generations are sold down the river and end up living out of the back of their station wagon.

So yeah, the one-nations and the Katters of this country are going to start getting more attention because gifting a small handful of wealthy people with historically lenient foreign investment laws aimed at further enriching that tiny minority is going to justifiably piss off a lot of Australians.