[Liberty Sea]

(07-01-2016 08:36 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

The main issue is not so much that the presence of fags and trannies themselves will reduce fighting effectiveness, it's that their presence will lower morale, greatly reduce espirit de corps and drive away the actual best fighting men, who will either leave the military or never join in the first place.

I think it's fine to let the military experiment with enlisting fags and trannies for a short while. If it doesn't work, morale is shattered, etc. they will discard it, and there won't be lasting damage. Among military leaders there are still enough sensible, brave, non-PC straight-talking men to make sure due process is done to maintain and advance the military's best interest. The factual, failed experiment will also provide us with lethal ammo in our argument against the SJW narrative. On the other hand, if there is no significant negative effect, then it will go on, and we will manage just fine. There is not much to worry about.

Sanity will triumph over madness, efficient expedience will triumph over counter-productive pandering. Mankind has developed through trials and errors, and I don't think this time will be an exception.

[rpg]

(07-01-2016 08:50 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

This will be unsurprising to many, but things like this have already been well-entrenched in Canada.

I've heard that directives have come down from NDHQ (National Defence Headquarters) to CF operational units "suggesting" that units fly the Gay Pride flag during Pride parades in their local city. I know this because my unit's Commanding Officer was going around several days ago unofficially surveying groups of people as to their opinions on it.

The people I was working with were unanimously and enthusiastically in favour. I said nothing. It's just not worth marking yourself to that extent anymore.

I just don't get it. I really don't. Some in this world might call me a degenerate for fucking bitches. Never ONCE did it ever occur to me to virtue signal fucking bitches to the entire world in a parade. Never once have I felt the need to shake my dick at the public. Where do these people get this pathetic shit and why is it so satisfying to shove it down the throats of hard working traditional people? Does anybody go to a gay parade to see if they might want to try out being gay? Nope.

[Fast Eddie]

(06-30-2016 07:37 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

But should the darkness descend and our nightmare grow worse, I could also take cold comfort in knowing that the U.S. military - which in that dark future scenario is very likely to be deployed against patriotic, nationalist American citizens in the not too distant future - will be rendered impotent as a fighting force due to its ranks being filled with fags and trannies.

That's really the only thing of importance to note here. I see this development as a good thing. I cannot foresee a future in which my life is made better by the existence of an all powerful United States military. On the other hand, I can all too easily imagine a scenario in which the only thing standing between my ability to escape oppression or even death at the hands of the Federal Regime is the incompetency and weakness of its agents, the US military among them. The more trannies and women there are in its ranks, the better.

I don't hold any ill will towards the military as an institution, but it's time to recognize which way the wind is blowing. The military is always a tool, and the people who currently wield this tool and are likely to wield it in the future are not positively predisposed to people like us. So it makes sense to hope their tools lose their edge.

[Deepdiver]

(06-30-2016 10:24 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

Don't people have to pass some type of mental evaluation in order to enlist? How will these people even make it past that?

Trans-sensitive Psychiatrists pushed on by Obama and his service shirking minions... no straight Military Officer wants this Trans Fag Drama Queen bullshite in his unit this is literally being crammed down their throats. No wonder the best and brightest are leaving the military for Top 100 Gov and Mil prime contractors and not staying for a full 20 year retirement.

Violent fag on man rape is a severe assault and factoring in HIV potentially manslaughter, therefore we need to train young recruits and junior soldiers.sailors/airmen/marines they never give up the constitutional and basic human right to self-defense - the key phrase in the use of deadly force is "I was in fear for my life". Then cap or frag these fag rump riding ass captains.

FYI fragging is a long-standing defense of enlisted men against psycho superiors ... while the psycho is asleep in their bunk in their tent - you stroll by - pull the pin on a grenade and slip in under their bunk/matress and promptly exit stage left - the mattress cushions the blow and removes some of the lethality of the grenade fragments (fragging) and insures the psycho winds up in a military hospital or graveyard for the duration. Problem solved.

I see these Obamunist SJW LGBTQ Tranny prioritized agendas in the military leading to an increase in fragging and untraceable shrapnel revenge and or self-defense.

Pains me to say this - no way I would allow my son (or daughter) to enter today's military with a focus on social engineering and trans faggery over merit and victory.

The silver lining in this dark storm cloud is I am sure that President Trump will quietly use military physical and mental standards enforcement to flush these mentally ill pre and post mutilant psychos out of the service without the psycho trans-fags knowing what hit them.

[tomzestatlu]

I am curious, if there´s some tranny between these guys...

[rpg]

The trans soldier will be packing parachutes, flying chinooks and in flight refueling. All the jobs that can kill someone else if they have a bad day. Combat, hell no. Too demanding.

[JacksonRev]

God I hate fags. I didn't even give a shit until I had to work with them in the military. They combine the aggressiveness and energy of men with the emotional instability of women, and the redeeming qualities of neither.

Nothing beats finding your buddy's soldier looking up every single poison and explosive known to man on high side, so that he can kill your buddy for making the asswipe say the Soldier's Creed. And then instead of getting kicked out for trying to kill his NCO, the little shit gets choice of station, because...fags.

Or the lesbian creepers always hanging around trying to cockblock and slap a sexual harassment / false rape charge on you. Last girl I got cock blocked on in the military gave up on guys because she thought no guy liked her, when I was just worried about creeper lesbo. Started taking hormones because of creeper and flipped to the other side.

DADT was the start of a drastic downturn in moral and effectiveness, and this will be even worse. Fuck these mentally ill fags, and all of their enablers.

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-01-2016 09:49 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

I think it's fine to let the military experiment with enlisting fags and trannies for a short while. If it doesn't work, morale is shattered, etc. they will discard it, and there won't be lasting damage.

Socialists never concede ground they've gained. If they can't control an institution, they'll destroy it. Note how much outright damage Obama has been enacting in the last few months to multiple institutions on his way out the door.

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Among military leaders there are still enough sensible, brave, non-PC straight-talking men to make sure due process is done to maintain and advance the military's best interest.

What the government has been doing is systematically-replacing or driving away these men to destroy the existing masculine culture of the military. Note also Obama is now allowing Outside Contractors to enter into high-ranking military positions without having to 'rise through the ranks'.

Why? Empathy. Well, to enact Socialist control in a country, you need a military that will fire upon its own population when ordered to. If you don't think Trannies, Radical Lesbians and BLM drones would gleefully-fire into a crowd of CIS-White Families, then you haven't been paying close attention to their rhetoric of the last 8 years, particularly the acceleration of the last 4.

[ChemicalFreezer]

I don't know how the majority of the population is falling for this tranny BS. It is a CLEAR mental issue. Something as empirical as gender should not even be debated.

It is the equivalent of somebody being 20 years old telling everybody they are really 70 year just because they "feel" in their hearts of hearts, then telling that they want to be treated as a 70 years old and all their official documents must be as a 70's years old with all the benefits (if any lol) then to top it off they want their retirement money....somebody should do this just to fuck with the system

[MikeInRealLife]

I am SO glad I got out at the start of Obama's first term. Many of my fellow soldiers asked me why I didn't stay in and "do my twenty," but no amount of retirement money would be worth putting up with what my formerly-beloved Army has become.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(07-01-2016 08:36 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

To call this measure "relatively harmless" is, frankly, bullshit. You should know better. Go read Adonis' post for an active duty perspective.

If you read that post, you'll see that the real poison is not the actual presence of fags or trannies in the military but the endless Year Zero propaganda about it -- endless posters about "LGBT pride", "sensitivity training" by political commissars, lectures about "harassment", and so on. That is certainly poisonous to esprit de corps, as it is indeed to civilian life. But as great an evil as it is, it's a peacetime indulgence and will be gone in a heartbeat if we are seriously challenged. And it's -- of course -- much less pervasive to nonexistent in elite units that have to do real fighting.

As for actual fags and trannies: there are so few trannies -- and so few of them that would even think about enlisting in the military -- and so few of those who would be accepted -- that it literally makes no difference. Male-to-female trannies are intensely effeminate creatures and combat is usually not foremost on their minds. If anything, you'll get a few hard minded and hideous female-to-males, essentially dykes on steroids -- quite literally. They'll do their uninspired bit for the cause. And of course male gays have always been present in the military.

The thing that does a good deal more damage than any of this is simply women in the military -- especially the YZ attempt to drag women into combat roles for which they are not qualified and where they are a danger. Trannies are few but women are many, and in current American society they are godlike creatures whose every whim must be catered to. They're not making it into real elite units either, of course, but the fact that because of political orders a couple of them had to be babied through Ranger school is f'ing ridiculous. But this, too, is something that will fall away swiftly when we are seriously challenged -- though likely not until then.

[Tokyo Joe]

(07-01-2016 09:53 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Male-to-female trannies are intensely effeminate creatures and combat is usually not foremost on their minds...

[Adonis]

(07-01-2016 09:53 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 08:36 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

To call this measure "relatively harmless" is, frankly, bullshit. You should know better. Go read Adonis' post for an active duty perspective.

If you read that post, you'll see that the real poison is not the actual presence of fags or trannies in the military but the endless Year Zero propaganda about it -- endless posters about "LGBT pride", "sensitivity training" by political commissars, lectures about "harassment", and so on. That is certainly poisonous to esprit de corps, as it is indeed to civilian life. But as great an evil as it is, it's a peacetime indulgence and will be gone in a heartbeat if we are seriously challenged. And it's -- of course -- much less pervasive to nonexistent in elite units that have to do real fighting.

As for actual fags and trannies: there are so few trannies -- and so few of them that would even think about enlisting in the military -- and so few of those who would be accepted -- that it literally makes no difference. Male-to-female trannies are intensely effeminate creatures and combat is usually not foremost on their minds. If anything, you'll get a few hard minded and hideous female-to-males, essentially dykes on steroids -- quite literally. They'll do their uninspired bit for the cause. And of course male gays have always been present in the military.

The thing that does a good deal more damage than any of this is simply women in the military -- especially the YZ attempt to drag women into combat roles for which they are not qualified and where they are a danger. Trannies are few but women are many, and in current American society they are godlike creatures whose every whim must be catered to. They're not making it into real elite units either, of course, but the fact that because of political orders a couple of them had to be babied through Ranger school is f'ing ridiculous. But this, too, is something that will fall away swiftly when we are seriously challenged -- though likely not until then.

Not exactly, those 2 stories were just the tip of the iceberg. Here is another one, one that in hindsight is more apropos to this thread. Each service has their own peculiarities as to the billeting of troops. I can tell you without reservation that fags wreak havoc on the berthing situation on ships. I share a living space the size of a standard 2 car garage with 15-20 other men, and this is with 15 years seniority and at the top 5-10% of the enlisted rank structure. Those junior to me are in various sized living spaces that accommodate 30-80 people. These include 3 shitters and 3 showers, maybe a couple of urinals. So you can imagine if you have 79 straight dudes and one militant homo in that environment what can happen. Ive seen as many as half a dozen known gays in some of the larger berthings. This doesn't even touch on the lesbian mafias that run the female berthings and prostitution rings onboard carriers. This is a problem. Now that the stage is set...

#3. I was choppered to another ship while deployed to the Gulf of Oman to work on a system that I had a lot of experience on. So I was on this ship, and they had a problem with an individual that was groping different males as they were sleeping. They called this cat "The Phantom Hand". He would wander through a berthing at night, reach in through someones curtains, and cop a feel. The first few victims played it very low key but soon the word got out after there were maybe 4-5 people who were visited by this fellow. There was a huge risk of vigilantism happening the next time this guy pulled this trick. The upper chain of command was playing the wait and see don't do anything drastic approach. The guys were not having any of it. They set up their own watches in the berthings and they caught this fucker eventually in the middle of the night in engineering's berthing (the worst place to get caught) and beat the holy shit out of him. The offender got a ticket home, and the last victim was if memory serves, reduced in rank and restricted to the ship at NJP. The command had a stand down for sexual assault training as well as CMEO topics that wasted at least 600 man hours (crew size x 2 hours).

So what are the problems with this scenario?

-You have one person with a socially deviant condition living among a majority that has no way to escape it. As in the above scenario one single person can cause extreme issues for the entire crew of a ship that has to be in such close proximity for 6-9 months at a time. Above took place over maybe 4-6 weeks while underway.

-You have a fag sexually assaulting straight guys, but the command doesn't want to open pandora's box and be seen as persecuting gays so they play softball with the issue.

-Junior guys lose faith in the chain of command, after you are left out to dry long enough you take matters into your own hands consequences be damned.

-Junior guys lose sleep, off time, and work time to stand anti assault watch. This degrades the ship's combat readiness at the absolute worst time. You have guys getting in trouble for falling asleep on their "real" watches because they were up at night standing this bs anti-homo watch.

-Sailor gets in trouble for defending himself, this leads to an attitude that "hey if Im going to get busted for it, Im going to make it worth my while", whats next a lynching?

You are right that this type of problem will be non existent in elite units. The problem with that is that the majority of the military are not elite units, NSW (SEALS, EOD, SWCC) numbers maybe 15,000 out of a service end strength of the upper 200,000 close to 300,000 range. So what about the masses of rank and file that are in the colosseum? How are these trans sickos going to be integrated into afloat units? Will they go in male or female berthing? Will they get a private stateroom? What PT standards will they fall under? Is the service expected to put up with emotional instability while they "get their hormones right"? Who will take their place on the duty section watchbill until they do?

When DADT was in effect, they kept their shit quiet. Now they don't have to, now they can rub that shit in everyones faces and have very little worry of repercussions because they can play the discrimination card. It may seem like Im asking a lot of what ifs and stating a lot of hypotheticals, and you may be right. But I have seen with my own eyes, and will have to deal with the fallout from this bullshit.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-01-2016 09:53 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 08:36 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

To call this measure "relatively harmless" is, frankly, bullshit. You should know better. Go read Adonis' post for an active duty perspective.

If you read that post, you'll see that the real poison is not the actual presence of fags or trannies in the military but the endless Year Zero propaganda about it -- endless posters about "LGBT pride", "sensitivity training" by political commissars, lectures about "harassment", and so on. That is certainly poisonous to esprit de corps, as it is indeed to civilian life. But as great an evil as it is, it's a peacetime indulgence and will be gone in a heartbeat if we are seriously challenged. And it's -- of course -- much less pervasive to nonexistent in elite units that have to do real fighting.

As for actual fags and trannies: there are so few trannies -- and so few of them that would even think about enlisting in the military -- and so few of those who would be accepted -- that it literally makes no difference. Male-to-female trannies are intensely effeminate creatures and combat is usually not foremost on their minds. If anything, you'll get a few hard minded and hideous female-to-males, essentially dykes on steroids -- quite literally. They'll do their uninspired bit for the cause. And of course male gays have always been present in the military.

The thing that does a good deal more damage than any of this is simply women in the military -- especially the YZ attempt to drag women into combat roles for which they are not qualified and where they are a danger. Trannies are few but women are many, and in current American society they are godlike creatures whose every whim must be catered to. They're not making it into real elite units either, of course, but the fact that because of political orders a couple of them had to be babied through Ranger school is f'ing ridiculous. But this, too, is something that will fall away swiftly when we are seriously challenged -- though likely not until then.

This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the agenda the elites have in regards the the American military.

Watch, as Private Tranny rockets from boot camp to General in record time "because equality".
Watch, as the American military becomes the laughing stock of the world.
Watch, as the armed forces are placed in the hands of the affirmative action hires at all ranks of relevance.
Watch, as the defence budget disappears down a thousand progressive rabbit holes that see the grunts reduced to throwing rocks at the bad guys while thousands of gender studies majors get six figure salaries for life.

I could go on. I won't bother.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-01-2016 01:11 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

...
Pains me to say this - no way I would allow my son (or daughter) to enter today's military with a focus on social engineering and trans faggery over merit and victory.
...

I would only recommend the military to my sons if they were dead-set about reaching the pointiest end of the spear in the shortest possible time.

And only then as a means to a different end.

[Off The Reservation]

When Obama was first running for President there were a few commentators who correctly pointed out that he hates America.

I believe what we are witnessing now is mockery. Mockery of the strength of the military, and mockery of the straight majority.

And here is an example of the mockery outside the military, ChristianMingle.com must serve gays :

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55113

[spokepoker]

from that article, it says the site was forced to pay $450,000, half a fucking million, four hundred fifty thousand fucking dollars, in attorney fees. Each fag got $9k.

$450,000.00 to their lawyer.

[They Call Me Mister Tony]

(07-02-2016 02:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 09:53 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 08:36 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

To call this measure "relatively harmless" is, frankly, bullshit. You should know better. Go read Adonis' post for an active duty perspective.

If you read that post, you'll see that the real poison is not the actual presence of fags or trannies in the military but the endless Year Zero propaganda about it -- endless posters about "LGBT pride", "sensitivity training" by political commissars, lectures about "harassment", and so on. That is certainly poisonous to esprit de corps, as it is indeed to civilian life. But as great an evil as it is, it's a peacetime indulgence and will be gone in a heartbeat if we are seriously challenged. And it's -- of course -- much less pervasive to nonexistent in elite units that have to do real fighting.

As for actual fags and trannies: there are so few trannies -- and so few of them that would even think about enlisting in the military -- and so few of those who would be accepted -- that it literally makes no difference. Male-to-female trannies are intensely effeminate creatures and combat is usually not foremost on their minds. If anything, you'll get a few hard minded and hideous female-to-males, essentially dykes on steroids -- quite literally. They'll do their uninspired bit for the cause. And of course male gays have always been present in the military.

The thing that does a good deal more damage than any of this is simply women in the military -- especially the YZ attempt to drag women into combat roles for which they are not qualified and where they are a danger. Trannies are few but women are many, and in current American society they are godlike creatures whose every whim must be catered to. They're not making it into real elite units either, of course, but the fact that because of political orders a couple of them had to be babied through Ranger school is f'ing ridiculous. But this, too, is something that will fall away swiftly when we are seriously challenged -- though likely not until then.

This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the agenda the elites have in regards the the American military.

Watch, as Private Tranny rockets from boot camp to General in record time "because equality".
Watch, as the American military becomes the laughing stock of the world.
Watch, as the armed forces are placed in the hands of the affirmative action hires at all ranks of relevance.
Watch, as the defence budget disappears down a thousand progressive rabbit holes that see the grunts reduced to throwing rocks at the bad guys while thousands of gender studies majors get six figure salaries for life.

I could go on. I won't bother.

Wow....I have no words. I remember when the military actually used to be respected, but this is just downright ridiculous.

God help us if we ever end up in a war.

I hope Trump gets in and reverses this bullshit before our military becomes the world's greatest laughingstock.

[bacon]

Passionate response to the trannys in the military.

[Gimlet]

I have recently started believing that the point is the tranny agenda is to elevate personal identity over national identity. The point is to destroy nationalism by making the country bend to the unhealthy desires of individuals in the minority. A delusional individuals need to piss where he wants us more important than the safety and comfort of everyone else in the nation. It is intentionally demoralizing.

That the military is now forced to accommodate trannys solidifies my opinion: this is about the destruction of the concept anything nationalistic.

Personal identity has NEVER had a place in the military, not from the beginning of time until now. Now it's "I am a Trans X first, and a Marine second." you cannot have a strong military if it celebrates personal identity, that is impossible. And isn't that the point?

[LeeEnfield303]

To the shitlibs, the military is just another government jobs program, like civil service....to wit, another sociological rat-lab on which they can try out all their "build a better society" claptrap. Makes sense when you realize they have never served or understood what the military's purpose is. The morale and capabilities of the conventional military have never been lower in my lifetime, for sure.

Glad I'm out. I wouldn't last two weeks if I were in the Army today.