[RexImperator]

Islam, especially Salafist variety, is not just a religion, it is also a political system. Communism was another political system that posed a threat to Western civilization in the past. However, while it was possible to be critical of communism, because of the climate of political correctness and "multiculturalism" it is much more difficult to publicly criticise Islam, which being a religion, is thus able to shield itself behind "religious tolerance" in a way communism never could.

[Different T]

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because of the climate of political correctness and "multiculturalism" it is much more difficult to publicly criticise Islam

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is thus able to shield itself behind "religious tolerance" in a way communism never could.

You sure that's what it's "shielding" itself with?

[Dark Triad Man]

(06-21-2016 10:58 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Islam, especially Salafist variety, is not just a religion, it is also a political system. Communism was another political system that posed a threat to Western civilization in the past. However, while it was possible to be critical of communism, because of the climate of political correctness and "multiculturalism" it is much more difficult to publicly criticise Islam, which being a religion, is thus able to shield itself behind "religious tolerance" in a way communism never could.

My thoughts on the matter:

Rape by Refugee: A Dark War Invasion

Removal of the insidious claim that Islam is a "religion" rather than a military, political, judicial, economic and cultural ideology of conquest is absolutely necessary in order to correctly reset the relationship of the West to Islam, and proceed to a place of resolution in our favor.

Regards,

Ivan

[Different T]

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Removal of the insidious claim that Islam is a "religion" rather than a military, political, judicial, economic and cultural ideology of conquest is absolutely necessary in order to correctly reset the relationship of the West to Islam, and proceed to a place of resolution in our favor.

And the third highest polling candidate for president is an open socialist.

And an active communist involved in Vietnam-era domestic bombings is a professor of education at the University of Chicago and buddy with the current president.

If only the Westerners understood Islam as "a military, political, judicial, economic and cultural ideology of conquest "...

[Atheistani]

Islam cannot be criticised wihout the same criticism applied to Christianity. The two are too similar. Look at forced Christian conversions in the Middle Ages for instances.

I like to think Islam in the West is just Karma for Europes Christianization.

You can forget defeating Islam while you still consider the West Christian.

[Samseau]

Actually you've gone one thing wrong on your history Rex.

Just like it is politically incorrect to criticize Islam today, it used to be politically incorrect to criticize Communism and especially the Soviet Union.

During the 70's, all the reports of mass starvation within Soviet Russian were dismissed by academics as fraudulent stories meant to discredit the wonderful and scientific new way of Communism. Just how the left today refuses to believe in the mass genocide, slavery, and slaughter, Muslims routinely engage in today and over the past centuries, so too did the left refuse to believe millions of Russians and Chinese starved under collectivization.

You had guys like George Bernard Shaw, who openly praised the USSR whenever he could, go and visit the country but still refuse to live there claiming he needed to help his countrymen back home see the light of Communism.

When Reagan ran in the 80's, he was hated by the left because he spoke out against Communism and people accused him of fostering bad relations with Russia and potentially starting a nuclear war. Even Bernie Sanders started exchange programs between Vermont and parts of the USSR in the 80's so he could gain insight into their communal ways of living.

However, after the bankruptcy of the USSR in 1991 and the truth of what an evil system of Communism became too obvious to deny, the left quietly dropped the issue and has since pretended they never supported Communism at all.

Instead, they've pivoted to race and religious based issues, hence Islam. The left has always been fatally attracted to evil ideologies. The only real solution to this mess is to reform the education system to stop brainwashing American youths into believing evil bullshit.

Regardless, all the ways you see the media criticize Trump today on illegal immigration and Islam, was pretty much exactly the same way they denigrated Reagan for being tough on Communism. As they say - history rhymes.

[SirTimothy]

(06-21-2016 11:45 AM)Atheistani Wrote:  

Islam cannot be criticised wihout the same criticism applied to Christianity. The two are too similar. Look at forced Christian conversions in the Middle Ages for instances.

I like to think Islam in the West is just Karma for Europes Christianization.

You can forget defeating Islam while you still consider the West Christian.

You're comparing apples and oranges. The things that are considered abuses from Christians were just another weekday for Mohammad.

[Just_Die]

(06-21-2016 11:45 AM)Atheistani Wrote:  

Islam cannot be criticised wihout the same criticism applied to Christianity. The two are too similar. Look at forced Christian conversions in the Middle Ages for instances.

I like to think Islam in the West is just Karma for Europes Christianization.

You can forget defeating Islam while you still consider the West Christian.

Major correction: modern day Western Christianity has castrated itself to the point of being toothless, with the gay weddings and the pope kissing muslim migrants' feet.

Western Christianity has reformed and neutered itself to a point that modern day Islam is nowhere yet near. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

[Ghost Tiger]

(06-21-2016 11:45 AM)Atheistani Wrote:  

Islam cannot be criticised wihout the same criticism applied to Christianity. The two are too similar. Look at forced Christian conversions in the Middle Ages for instances.

I like to think Islam in the West is just Karma for Europes Christianization.

You can forget defeating Islam while you still consider the West Christian.

There is no equivalence between Christianity and Islam. Islam is cancer. Mohammed was a pedohpile rapist butcher warlord. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

Educate yourself.

And buddy... Charles "The Hammer" Martel and King Jan III Sobieski did just fine defeating Islam from a very Christian West thank you very much.

Charles "The Hammer" Martel and the Battle of Tours

King Jan III Sobieski and the Battle of the Gates of Vienna

[Ghost Tiger]

L. Ron Hubbard also ran and hid behind the label of "religion" for his cult called "Scientology", mainly in order to protect his ill-gotten financial gains from the IRS. There are a lot of similarities between Islam and Scientology. Both cults. Both believe in some pretty crazy shit (Islam has its "djinn", Scientology has its "thetans").

Samseau: you are dead right about how communism was protected in a similar way prior to the end of the Cold War. Yuri Bezmenov defected to Canada and eventually was hired to do a Russian-language show on CBC radio. The exchange below is between Bezmenov and interviewer G. Edward Griffin where Bezmenov explains the shameful treatment he received from Pierre Trudeau and the CBC.

Useless Dissident Wrote:

Griffin: Have you had any threats on your life, or any unpleasantries…?

Bezmenov: Yes. In about five years, [the] KGB eventually discovered that I [was] working for Canadian broadcasting. I made a very big mistake. I started working for [the] overseas service of [the] CBC, which is similar to Voice of America, in Russian language, and of course [the] monitoring service in [the] USSR picked up every new voice—every new announcer they would make it a point to discover who he is—and in five years, sure enough, slowly but surely, they discovered that I am not Tomas [David] Schuman, that I am Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, and that I am working for Canadian broadcasting, and undermining [the] beautiful détente between Canada and [the] USSR. And the Soviet ambassador Aleksandr Yakovlev made it his personal effort to discredit me; he complained to Pierre Trudeau, who is known to be [a] little bit soft on socialism, and the management of CBC behaved in a very strange, cowardly way, unbecoming of representatives of an independent country like Canada. They listened to every suggestion that [the] Soviet ambassador gave, and they started [a] shameful investigation, analyzing [the] content of my broadcasts to [the] USSR. Sure enough, they discovered that some of my statements were probably too... would be offending to the Soviet politburo. So I had to leave my job.

http://uselessdissident.blogspot.ca/2008...menov.html

[Lunostrelki]

Communism and the moral and cultural relativism it promotes is what allows Islam to get a free hand in western societies.

[spokepoker]

I think Communism is more dangerous than Islam.
Islam is the threat you can see even if blind, Communism is the threat that blinds everyone.

[godfather dust]

How many nukes are in Europe?

If the muslim invasion continues unabated and they get their hands on some nuclear weapons, humanity will be made extinct.

If I were president I would invade Europe, take no prisoners in Brussels, abolish the EU, restore national sovereignty to member states, and boot out all muslims who arrived past whatever cut-off date seemed appropriate/necessary. Also put firing squads at the borders, sink those fucking boats etc.

With Islam it really is us or them. Muslim countries need to be isolated so they can just duke it out among themselves.

One important step to isolating them is energy independence. Fuck the green energy movement, maybe sometime in the future it could happen but not right now.

[Kid Twist]

Given the alignment of the left with weird ideologies like this, and the 50-50 nature of the battle within our own country, don't you think the only way around this is civil war or secession movements to restore sanity?

[spokepoker]

No, we just need to take back what was built by us (conservative thinking). Get the traitors out, get those who put their country first back in. Secession or civil war is for when things are absolutely completely fucked, it's not at that point yet, we can still restore what has been degraded.

[Samseau]

(06-21-2016 02:24 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

Communism and the moral and cultural relativism it promotes is what allows Islam to get a free hand in western societies.

You've got it backwards. The cultural relativism is what promotes Communism and Islam.

With the loss of belief in the teachings of Jesus, people in the West have crowned themselves emperor of knowing what is good and evil. People think they are Gods in the West and pass judgement accordingly.

So one day they promote Communism, the next day Feminism, the next day Islam... what difference does it make to someone who does not believe in Truth? They just want to fit in and play along with whatever becomes popular.

[Graft]

Islam is the most dangerous ideology in world history. How many others have killed so many people, and ruined as much fertile land as Muslim nations? The only "moderate" Muslims are the ones that don't take their religion seriously.

[RexImperator]

Milo Wrote:

According to the Center for Security Policy:

51% of American Muslims want to be allowed to be governed by Sharia Law

30% of American Muslims believe it is legitimate to use violence against those that insult Islam

25% of American Muslims said that violence against Americans can be justified as part of global jihad

33% said that sharia should take precedence over the constitution if they clashed

In US, only 26% say American first, 49% say Muslim first

In “moderate” Turkey and Malaysia, 1 in 5 Muslims believe suicide bombings are necessary to defend Islam

84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy

Educated Muslims also favor Sharia, including 55% in “moderate” Turkey

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/16...y-couldnt/

[Sweet Jones]

This is a good thread because it points out what many seem to overlook, that is that it's not just the Quran they must follow but the Sira and Hadith as well. It prescribes an entire way of life and its scope is far greater than any other major religion. These books spend far more time on non-Muslims than any other religious text spends on its non-adherents, and details methods of how to infiltrate and dominate non-Muslim societies.

Rubin is a liberal but he does have a brain in his head and this interview of his with Dr. Bill Warner (Center for the Study of Political Islam) is a must-watch IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBiWm3ljv0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1Huki53L0

[porscheguy]

Enjoy

[All or Nothing]

(06-21-2016 10:58 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Islam, especially Salafist variety, is not just a religion, it is also a political system.

I would say that the problem is not Islam as a whole, since there are many Muslims who do not behave badly. The problem is Wahhabism.

Here is an article I found through a quick google search:

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It would be troublesome but perhaps acceptable for the House of Saud to promote the intolerant and extremist Wahhabi creed just domestically. But, unfortunately, for decades the Saudis have also lavishly financed its propagation abroad. Exact numbers are not known, but it is thought that more than $100 billion have been spent on exporting fanatical Wahhabism to various much poorer Muslim nations worldwide over the past three decades. It might well be twice that number. By comparison, the Soviets spent about $7 billion spreading communism worldwide in the 70 years from 1921 and 1991.

This appears to be a monumental campaign to bulldoze the more moderate strains of Islam, and replace them with the theo-fascist Saudi variety. Despite being well aware of the issue, Western powers continue to coddle the Saudis or, at most, protest meekly from time to time.

For instance, a Wikileaks cable clearly quotes then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.” She continues: “More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups.” And it’s not just the Saudis: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates are also implicated in the memo. Other cables released by Wikileaks outline how Saudi front companies are also used to fund terrorism abroad.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-...01916.html

The ruling class in Saudi Arabia has spent up to or even more than 100 billion dollars financing the spread of the Wahhabi strain of Islam. Even in that article parallels were drawn between communism and Wahhabism itself.

The goal of this is clear. It is to convert otherwise normal people who follow the Muslim faith into militant followers of an ultra-orthodox sect of Islam.

This is why I think Saudi Arabia is borderline straight up evil because they are essentially diametrically opposed to the culture I come from and are actively engaging in subversive behavior by essentially transforming normal Sunni Muslims into what could be seen as foreign nationalists beholden to the Saudi state through the use of Wahhabi Mosques spread throughout western countries.

[IronShark]

British Muslim creates a dating app to allow men to have multiple wives.
Totally ignored by mainstream media. No feminazi has ever complained!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l-facebook

[godfather dust]

(06-21-2016 09:27 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 10:58 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Islam, especially Salafist variety, is not just a religion, it is also a political system.

I would say that the problem is not Islam as a whole, since there are many Muslims who do not behave badly. The problem is Wahhabism.

Here is an article I found through a quick google search:

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It would be troublesome but perhaps acceptable for the House of Saud to promote the intolerant and extremist Wahhabi creed just domestically. But, unfortunately, for decades the Saudis have also lavishly financed its propagation abroad. Exact numbers are not known, but it is thought that more than $100 billion have been spent on exporting fanatical Wahhabism to various much poorer Muslim nations worldwide over the past three decades. It might well be twice that number. By comparison, the Soviets spent about $7 billion spreading communism worldwide in the 70 years from 1921 and 1991.

This appears to be a monumental campaign to bulldoze the more moderate strains of Islam, and replace them with the theo-fascist Saudi variety. Despite being well aware of the issue, Western powers continue to coddle the Saudis or, at most, protest meekly from time to time.

For instance, a Wikileaks cable clearly quotes then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.” She continues: “More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups.” And it’s not just the Saudis: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates are also implicated in the memo. Other cables released by Wikileaks outline how Saudi front companies are also used to fund terrorism abroad.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-...01916.html

The ruling class in Saudi Arabia has spent up to or even more than 100 billion dollars financing the spread of the Wahhabi strain of Islam. Even in that article parallels were drawn between communism and Wahhabism itself.

The goal of this is clear. It is to convert otherwise normal people who follow the Muslim faith into militant followers of an ultra-orthodox sect of Islam.

This is why I think Saudi Arabia is borderline straight up evil because they are essentially diametrically opposed to the culture I come from and are actively engaging in subversive behavior by essentially transforming normal Sunni Muslims into what could be seen as foreign nationalists beholden to the Saudi state through the use of Wahhabi Mosques spread throughout western countries.

I disagree. Islam is evil.

Based on my limited understanding (better than 95% of Westerners I would wager, I have read portions of the texts) well behaved Muslims are doing it wrong. Isis are the most "pious" Muslims.

[RexImperator]

[All or Nothing]

(06-21-2016 11:14 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I disagree. Islam is evil.

Based on my limited understanding (better than 95% of Westerners I would wager, I have read portions of the texts) well behaved Muslims are doing it wrong. Isis are the most "pious" Muslims.

The text itself is not as important as how it is interpreted and practiced.

I will say that Islam was most likely developed as a warring religion, but you can see evidence that there are people who either believe or who grew up with that religion that don't adhere to the warring aspects of the religion. The "doing it wrong" part is simply adapting the religion to modern times where large scale war and growth of empires is no longer a major part of civilization.

Even in the Bible there are verses in it that condones sex slavery and mistreatment of women. When I went to church, I never even heard of those verses and was taught stuff that mostly revolved around good social behavior. Again the religion has been adapting to the evolution of society.

This is why I believe that Wahhabism is the source of this issue. Wahhabism espouses an ideology that appears to turn back time by promoting a more literal interpretation of the texts and promoting an outward physical form of jihad, which is maladapted to modern civilization over an internal spiritual awakening form of jihad, which is better adapted to modern civilization.

I don't have all of the pieces put together yet, but this is how I perceive things right now.

As an aside, I want to clarify "well behaved" and maybe go with "moderate" or "assimilated" Muslims.