[DonnyGately]

(06-23-2016 09:08 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Bingo. Lock them into an event, especially something they've never done before.

This is the great advantage for a man in his prime (30s), you have knowledge, experience, and access to lots of "cool shit."

Take advantage of those "cheap thrills" and be the guy to give these young girls their first taste of life.

(06-21-2016 05:46 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 11:47 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Gaming pretty young girls in this day an age (where they have nearly infinite options and the West is a penis paradise for them) is going to be very challenging.

But it's not at all. IMHO it's gotten easier and easier the past few years. They want new experiences and older guys can offer that.

99% of guys just have horrible/mediocre game. You have to have tight game, you have to offer something, you have to be interesting, and be somewhat attractive to her from the jump. As we always say, you can't force attraction.

Or guys target too many red-light girls -- If she says she has a bf and she actually has one at home who she loves, but you are gonna waste 1-2 hours on her because she's cute....I mean she's not going to turn you away if she loves attention.

Guys make so many basic errors - not building comfort, not venue bouncing, not push/pulling, not backturning, getting oneitis, getting upset when they do/say something dumb, expecting to get laid every time out, expecting every # to become a date, not having backup plans if she flakes, terrible logistics, no ability to converse about something she finds fascinating.

This is straight on. Sad this post didn't get more "likes" but everything here is absolutely on point, despite being a bit vague and conceptual.

Seriously, newbies, re-read that post quoted above. These are experiences you need to have and internalize. Shit is not going to go the way you want it to. You have to learn to roll with the punches but not be a bitch. All of this takes time, energy, and experience. Bitches are flakes, but some girls are cool. Learn to be a man who can be chill most of the time but get fired up when it matters. Be interesting. Travel. Do "cool shit" and live to talk about it. Strive for perfection but don't make excuses or complain when things do go 100% your way.

Thanks for the props, I appreciate it. I actually thought much of the advice was somewhat specific as possible. I always tell guys here to be the best dressed guy she'll see all night and then newbies whine about being t-shirt and jeans guys, or not having money, or etc. There's always an excuse, right? It's funny, guys want to be told 'how' to be interesting.

Let's give specific examples from last night. Booked dates with 4 girls, had another text me for drinks. I had told all of them I was only free last night. They all know I'm significantly older than them, I don't try to hide it.

First girl was a cool, funny girl with a 9.5+ body and 8 face. You could tell she was a little nervous and insecure, but we bonded quickly over our backgrounds. I got her talking about growing up and she said how she was always the ugly duckling and still doesn't think she's good-looking, but she's actually a model with an absolute perfect rack and thin waist, the kind guys will immediately stop on the street to talk to, drool over, clown themselves. Lucky for me, she is into much older & well-dressed guys and loves fashion.

Within 30 mins she's telling me how much she likes me - I'm now giving her interview advice as she just graduated. She's talking so much she apologizes but she's clearly anxious to impress. I tell her I have another date and have to leave soon after ~1.5 hrs of drinking. I can tell she's a little shocked but walks me to the next venue so we can keep talking -- asks why I booked another date and I told her because of flakes and she warned me she would be a bit late due to work, so she used up part of her time with me.

One way I built comfort by saying she must get a lot of attention from creepy dudes, does she like sushi and she now thinks I'm a genius who gets her. She made me promise a specific date and time for our next date.

2nd one is cute, puts a lot of effort into her makeup, hair, and outfit, shows her assets really well, loves fashion and would like to do KimK's makeup for a magazine cover. I was late but she was very nice and sweet girl but boring to me, too quiet. This girl is perfect marriage material for some guy, also only 21. If settling down and having a family was a priority for me, I'd definitely see her a few more times.

3rd one is a younger college girl, dressed professionally [office, not escort] very slim, medium height and in nice heels. We grab mojitos and start talking about what I do at work, what she wants to do. She's asian and parents immigrated here, definitely ambitious and driven, plays multiple instruments so we talk about the Orchestra. I'm playing with her long black ponytail. I leave her at the table to get the next round of drinks which takes a while, sit back down on couch she slides over, presses up against me, start making out. I tell her we should go somewhere private and she starts stroking me in the elevator. End up going back to her place since her roommates are out of town. Asks to see me again after.

What are some 'generics' you have to use? You have to get her talking about herself, family, dreams, hobbies, fashion, whatever. If she's not investing it's not happening. You have to initiate contact as early as is reasonable - I'm always touching their hand or arm to make a point, moving up to the shoulder, hair. If she leans back then back off until she's more comfortable, have her lean in next time. If she's attracted she'll start leaning into you, putting her legs next to you, facing you with whole body, 'accidentally' rub your foot, legs, hip with hers.

As the drinks flow and it gets later I'll stroke their legs. I always grab their hand and lead when we leave a spot, grab her waist, let my hand linger on her hips & ass. Elevators are your friend! Some girls are shy about kissing in public but some it gets them immediately wet - they get turned on by your desire. They'll still kiss you if they are shy, but they'll stop quicker.

You don't have to be rich, ripped, smarter than them, famous, hilarious, have concert tix, or any one thing you think she likes. Be confident. Be bold. Be congruent. Always aim high. Hygiene and logistics need to be on lock.

Never texted back the 4th girl and forgot about the 5th entirely. Both are very cute and tall, but had no flakes but no time for them. Maybe this weekend. There are so many hot college girls and graduates out there living with Mom/Dad they are dying to meet new guys.

[robreke]

Have a strategy, your 'angle of attack'

Then, getting them alone.

Then 'taking control'

A recent case study to set up the psyche of women in this age group;

The last 19 year old I banged, a recent girl, told me as we started making out 'just take control' I couldn't believe it, but I damn sure liked it.

When I was driving her home later that night, after the indoor olympics, she asked 'so what do you think of me so far?'

Granted, a woman any age could say these things, but I think this illustrates how girls in this age frame are so much more sensitive about what others think and are wanting a man to 'take control' They're not like women 25+ who have 'been there done that' and want to run the show ( i.e., been pumped and dumped and used and therefore, want to control every step of the interaction and make the man 'wait' for that golden, in their mind, prize)

So 18-20 year olds are a blessing and a curse. More of a blessing if you ask me. A blessing in the sense that they're;

1. Hotter
2. Tighter
3. Sweeter
4. More submissive/willing to be led.
5. Feminine and sensitive

A curse in the sense that:

1. If women are like the changing weather, 18-20 y/o girls are like a storm blown tempest in terms of ever changing preferences/feelings/ desires/keeping commitments, etc. It can be truly maddening which is, of course, what caused you to start this thread.

2. They're very impressionable and listen to what their friends say. They are deathly afraid of being judged by their pier group more so than older women. I'm sure instances of this have lead to false rape charges. That is, a young girls friends 'convince' her she was taken advantage of after they discover she had sex with a guy or her friends 'slut shame' her and in order to avoid public humiliation amongst her pier group, she says 'well, maaaayyybe I was raped."

As far as angle of attack, my approach is online game, good pics, tight fun profile, lying about my age, pure numbers online and vet the younger ones willing to meet a guy my 'age', ( I still have to find those girls into older guys, because I can no longer claim I'm 25), then, meeting her and doing things guys in her age group do not do.

What are those things? Challenging her, teasing, touching, forwardness, push/pull. Making it all about her and making her feel important and being interested in her. TAKING THE LEAD, getting her to your pad. Busting her balls playfully, making sure she's comfortable and making your move.

Does it always work? No. Does it work most of the time? No. Does it work some of the time, a minority of the time? YES.

Sometimes, there's a day two bang. Many times the girls ghost after the first non-bang date. Sometimes, they ghost after the first date bang. The weather's always changing.

I also approach in public when I see a cute young woman by herself during the day, but I have honestly never gotten a day/night bang off of a young woman in this age range since I was in my 20s. I really don't put in the numbers though as I don't go to college campuses, etc. I'll keep trying here but like I said, my main strategy is online, which I think is best for my demographic (older, busy, professional, decent looking guy who SOME young women will like)

My day game and 'real life' approaches results have been best with girls 24+ since I hit my early 40s.

OP is younger than me, so maybe your angle is to be a cool guy in cahoots with other cool, even younger than yourself guys, who goes out and is social proofed by all your cool, young male friends. You fit right in. 19 yo's dig it. Isolate and proceed accordingly. In your early 30s, you can most likely pass for a guy in his mid 20s to these girls, so I wouldn't even consider age an issue. Wouldn't even think about it.

I'd just be thinking about the nature of these flighty creatures and, knowing the nature of your prey, how to do the work necessary to bag your quarry.

[ManAbout]

(06-21-2016 07:36 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

I think that many young girls want to tick the box of an older guy, and usually they will only do it once. You have to be the lucky guy who puts himself forward at the right time. If she already ticked that box 3 months ago, you'll be out of luck. Of course there are exceptions as a minority of girls will become drawn to older guys.

For another perspective, I have posed the "what's the oldest age guy you would consider going out with?", to many girls in the 18-23 age range, and the most frequent answer I get is along the lines of "It doesn't matter as long as I am attracted to him", one 21 year old told me, "I don't even think about the age" Now, if you are 70 years old and look it, I am sure it would factor in, but a lot of times, a guy in his 30s or beyond is more concerned about the age difference than the girl.

(06-22-2016 12:04 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

They have to see us and think -- "I would fuck that [i]older guy"[/i]

Why not just "I would fuck that guy." We dwell too much on being older, usually to our detriment.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-25-2016 12:52 PM)robreke Wrote:  

When I was driving her home later that night, after the indoor olympics, she asked 'so what do you think of me so far?'

Dropping some gems here Robreke.

How'd you answer this question?

Looks like she was seeking post bang comfort to assuage any buyer's remorse.

I know what I would say, but I've found that my normal stuff to a girl that young puts me in the "soul mate" category, not the provider or the lover categories.

WIA

[azulsombra]

Tying into the theme of dating 18-21girls, I wonder are there less challenges for older guys to do this in Europe vs. North America?
Socially and otherwise? I think the biggest cockblock fo 18-21 year old girls in the states is the high drinking age. This keeps the younger girls out of lots of venues where adults would normally mix. Being forced to show ID everywhere may inadvertently highlight an older guy's age as well.

With the much lower drinking ages in Europe is this even an issue? Also anectodes from hot young european women I've run into have revealed that many of their exes were 6-9 years older than them and it was no big deal to them, their parents or friends . Can anyone compare gaming this age range in Europe vs North America?

[azulsombra]

I'm also willing to speculate "weed game" would be the most effective game for this age range in the States. I can't imagine the majority of hot young college age American women would turn down the opportunity to smoke up off campus with a cool somewhat older guy they are attracted to.

[robreke]

(06-25-2016 10:51 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 12:52 PM)robreke Wrote:  

When I was driving her home later that night, after the indoor olympics, she asked 'so what do you think of me so far?'

Dropping some gems here Robreke.

How'd you answer this question?

Looks like she was seeking post bang comfort to assuage any buyer's remorse.

I know what I would say, but I've found that my normal stuff to a girl that young puts me in the "soul mate" category, not the provider or the lover categories.

WIA

I took a second to answer her. Should I be the cocky/funny/evasive or, post bang, should I do comfort and be "nice" ?

I just answered the question and was honest. I kept it brief though and didn't elaborate.

I told her "you're cool, I like hanging out with you", smiling while I said it and I may have patted her arm.

She texted me a nice emoticon-laden text when she got home, so at this point it looks decent.

What's your usual response?

[HankMoody]

I just put no real stock or investment into them...

True story - I'm currently seeing a 21 year old who I actually took home from a strip club. I don't know what she does when we're not with each other, and I don't really care. She hits me up last night:

[Note: I dumb my texts down intentionally. I can text like an adult if I want to.]

"wanna hang?"
"fishing"
"u gonna be home tonight?"
"ya"
"what time?"
"when ive caught enough fish"

Hours go by:

"we hanging?"
"im at joe's house cooking the fish. ur welcome to join"
[picture of all the fish we caught]
"i dont know joe"

[Notice how I don't negotiate with her. If she's interested, she'll come. I threw the bait out and she didn't take it, meaning that what I'm doing isn't of much interest to her. If I beg her to come by trying to convince her how much fun we're having, I look weak. I don't respond.]

An hour goes by:

"how is [Hip Restaurant]?"
"standard gastropub, good vibe"

What this tells me is someone asked her to hit up Hip Restaurant, and that interested her much more. Most likely a thirsty beta willing to buy her dinner in hopes of getting a bang. I'm sure on any given night she's got 10 offers to do something, and she'll choose the most exciting one.

Accordingly, my "strategy" is to do the things I like, and put little time and investment into the younger ones. I'd rather fish, hunt, and BBQ with the boys. If she's interested in the pleasure of my company, she can come along.

If she wants a free dinner, there's plenty of men willing to go out of their way to give her one. But not me.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-26-2016 08:45 AM)robreke Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 10:51 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 12:52 PM)robreke Wrote:  

When I was driving her home later that night, after the indoor olympics, she asked 'so what do you think of me so far?'

Dropping some gems here Robreke.

How'd you answer this question?

Looks like she was seeking post bang comfort to assuage any buyer's remorse.

I know what I would say, but I've found that my normal stuff to a girl that young puts me in the "soul mate" category, not the provider or the lover categories.

WIA

I took a second to answer her. Should I be the cocky/funny/evasive or, post bang, should I do comfort and be "nice" ?

I just answered the question and was honest. I kept it brief though and didn't elaborate.

I told her "you're cool, I like hanging out with you", smiling while I said it and I may have patted her arm.

She texted me a nice emoticon-laden text when she got home, so at this point it looks decent.

What's your usual response?

That specific question rarely comes up.
However the intent of her question comes up fairly often.

The content of her question is "honesty"

The intent of her question is

"How do you feel about me, so I know how to feel about you?"

When game teachers tell you about girls pinging off their environment, this an example of it. When I talk about how chicks who don't give a fuck about the 5th Edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, post bang are now interested in exploring a kobold village - this is how i think that begins.

She's going to change her life, how she feels about you, when she asks such a vulnerable question.

She's hoping to get the "right" answer, so she can let herself feel the things she is feeling.

Typically the girl is sub-communicating to you

"I really want to feel good about you/this thing we have, and don't take that good feeling away from me."

For guys without game they can "ruin the moment"
For new guys learning game - they can easily "over game"

@Phoenix - I guess this is what you were talking about.

When I was in wet behind the ears, I knew that this girl was trying to connect with me past the sex. This is the girl that wants to suck your dick and share an ice cream cone with.

And the more you demonstrate mastery of her world, the more that you show that you understand her - (a deep need that everyone has) - the more likely you are to kick in the Hollywood response, "He's the one!!".

So if you're trying to bind her soul, this is where you do the most emotional impactful thing you can. Something that will give her a reason to feel what she desperately wants to feel.

From there, the girl just molds herself around you, and wants to be with you all the time. This is the point of no return.

This is where a girl you like, a girl you like to fuck, but not a girl you could love becomes a burden. You've got this baby bird in your hands, that you can set free or crush....

Young girls are particularly prone to this, but you can do this to an old woman (24+) and have the same sort of problem.

This is different than the "lover frame" - where she calls you for pleasure, or she's glad to take your D because she loves sex with you.

It's not a straight up provider frame either...however a chick that goes "fairy tale" will often want the "Happily Ever After".

I feel like this has to have been discussed ad nauseam throughout the annals of game/pua over the past decade - so there's probably a term for it.

So I just don't know what the proper answer is, or how to keep yourself in the "lover" frame. Cause you can just fuck a chick and forget her. Kick her out after the bang, make sure she gets buyer's remorse. But you're courting some tail risk when you do that.

To avoid that risk, you buy her an Egg McMuffin or a yogurt post bang. You make her feel good about something she could potentially feel bad about.

However, in avoiding buyer's remorse, you open the door for "Happily Ever After".

What I do in the situation is pull the Jay-Z. I forget the song, but to save the girl some heartache about him being with other chicks, and giving her the option to be with other guys, he say something like

"When we're together, we're together. When we're not, we're not"

The idea is that, when we're physically together, I'm everything. But we're going to be apart, and when I'm not there, you can't expect me to be your everything.

It's his effort to compartmentalize her feelings. He can give her assurance that she'll get the attention, affection, and sex when they're together. But in the meantime/in between time - she can't get that from him.

To be honest, I haven't managed to get a girl to abide by this. Pushing her away only drives her further into player's arms.

To paraphrase R. Kelly, "When a woman's mind is made up, there ain't nothing you can do about it"

WIA

- More reasons all you guys should be listening to hip hop and R&B, Soul, Funk, Blues, and Reggae. Bolt Thrower and Tchaikovsky aren't covering these things.

[General Stalin]

I love that post WIA. You've been preaching sub-communication for a long time now and it's something I would love to get a better handle on. I'd like to share with you a relevant story:

A couple nights ago I went out with a few people (a forum member, a chick he's banging, and her friend who they were setting me up with).

The friend is a total hottie. A soft 8. Thing is, she is heavily damaged goods. Openly admits to having dated a slew of "assholes" who left her icy, jaded, and broken. She's not the "overly sensitive" broken type, she's they toughbitch-don't-get-attached-to-a-dude type. Tried hooking up with her that night, and we did for a second but I couldn't stay hard between my whiskey dick and using a condom. Anyway, she was throwing me extreme LMR and there was a lot of back and forth of her pushing me off of her and her pulling me into her (she was also, allegedly, "really drunk").

She fed me an assembly line of shittest comfort questions before, during, and after us fooling around: Why are you single? How often do you fuck? Where has your mouth been? When was your last relationship? Do you always fuck girls you just met? Etc. It was brutal, and I mostly just joked/dismissed her questions away. She seemed real weary of being played so the ones I didn't answer jokingly I tried to answer in a way that didn't make me seem like a hit-it-and-quit-it type.

I wish I knew the "right" answers for the questions when dealing with a girl like this. She obviously respects and goes for tough asshole-type guys who don't respect her or get intimidated by her, but she seems quick to dismiss guys who are obvious players. Mental chess.

[Starstriker]

I have good success with this age group, although you'd certainly hope so as I am 23.

The sport I compete in over here has an abundance of good looking girls, whenever they start approaching me its when I'm completely focused on training and am therefore rather indifferent to a lot of other things in my life. Getting a national title a couple of years back made for a fun few months.

Not likely relevant to most people but I have seen the benefit of being seen as indifferent to the whims of the young chicas. I love racing more than I like them so I imagine this frame of mind will come naturally to me for a while.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-26-2016 11:12 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I love that post WIA. You've been preaching sub-communication for a long time now and it's something I would love to get a better handle on. I'd like to share with you a relevant story:

A couple nights ago I went out with a few people (a forum member, a chick he's banging, and her friend who they were setting me up with).

The friend is a total hottie. A soft 8. Thing is, she is heavily damaged goods. Openly admits to having dated a slew of "assholes" who left her icy, jaded, and broken. She's not the "overly sensitive" broken type, she's they toughbitch-don't-get-attached-to-a-dude type. Tried hooking up with her that night, and we did for a second but I couldn't stay hard between my whiskey dick and using a condom. Anyway, she was throwing me extreme LMR and there was a lot of back and forth of her pushing me off of her and her pulling me into her (she was also, allegedly, "really drunk").

She fed me an assembly line of shittest comfort questions before, during, and after us fooling around: Why are you single? How often do you fuck? Where has your mouth been? When was your last relationship? Do you always fuck girls you just met? Etc. It was brutal, and I mostly just joked/dismissed her questions away. She seemed real weary of being played so the ones I didn't answer jokingly I tried to answer in a way that didn't make me seem like a hit-it-and-quit-it type.

I wish I knew the "right" answers for the questions when dealing with a girl like this. She obviously respects and goes for tough asshole-type guys who don't respect her or get intimidated by her, but she seems quick to dismiss guys who are obvious players. Mental chess.

1) Old School PUA hear's "I've only dated assholes and they've left me sad and blue" as "this girl only gets turned on by jerks and badboys - so I will let her see that side of my personality"

2) LMR with this particular chick - She probably wanted you to be a lot more aggressive and put her in her place. The sub-communication is that she's still there and interested.

However, you said she was "drunk".

I know plenty of dudes will just give the chick what she's asking for, and then run comfort game afterwards to reinforce that a good thing just happened.

NOT ME. Too many Jameis Winston cases out there, and I can't take a tackle.

But that's the real world. Some of these chicks want to be "taken".

However, if I run into this, I actually ease of the bang game, and go more for the mind fuck.

So bang game is what we typically do.

Chick comes over, starts fronting on the pussy
- 2 steps forward, 1 step back
- change the vibe, change the mood, withdraw like nothing's wrong - basically teach her that she gets the comfort and affection IF AND ONLY IF we get the sex.

Standard PUA/Game tactics since the late 90's. Nothing has changed.

When I run into a headcase like this, I really want to dig in her craw. And that's damn near impossible when she's drunk.

This is one of those times when you want to give a chick other options on who to be.

So assuming you're getting hot and heavy, and she's basically pushing this low-self-esteem nonsense on you - so that you can basically overcome her defenses and bang her -

I like to change the pace up, even though I might lose the bang.

"Is this who you are, who you want to be?" - The sub-communication here is that i'm doing something that I know will/can lose the bang. But I'm not pressed for a bang. And if you do it forcefully enough - she's not going to put you in the "Captain Save-A-Ho" category.

I want to get a chick like that out of the her typical downward spiral before I stick my dick in her. I"ve already fucked crazy. It's not worth it to me anymore. (The sex is great, the aftermath is a hangover times ten)

Again, if the dude who analed Mattress Girl could recognize her attention whore tendencies - he could have got her on the right page before the bang, and then he could run much easier comfort game.

This take is getting a bit afield from the whole sub-communication thing.

I'm still trying to recognize and show those things in my game. I'm usually thinking in the approach setting - but you've brought up some good stuff for the End Game, and what needs to be communicated immediately prior to the bang.

WIA

[dopvlur]

(06-23-2016 06:50 PM)dopvlur Wrote:  

Have a date tonight with a fresh 18 yo HB7.5, planning to take her to play pool and then going to my apartment, following Gio advice Im gonna wear a polo that show my arms and be aggresive from the beginning. Im in my early 30s.

Another flaky, went to her home, but she tells me is sick, and let me get in, no parents at home, so we sit at the couch and start the kino, we start to make out and then she says "mom get upset if she finds you" so I suggest go to my place and she says is OK, just let me tell my mom (makes what I imagine a fake call) and later says it´s better another day.

I tried to continue the makeout (bad move) but she ask me to leave, went radio silence the last week and made a call last night but she didn´t answer.

Looks like is already a lost notch.

[Giovonny]

(07-04-2016 04:50 PM)dopvlur Wrote:  

Looks like its already a lost notch.

Never admit defeat.

Text her again, but, be patient about it, wait 2 weeks or so, if she doesn't reply, wait a month, then text her again. Try to keep these texts flirty, fun, casual and NON-NEEDY! Don't kiss her ass or chase her, just invite her to hang out and have fun. Let her know that YOU are a sexual option for HER.

In the mean time, work on other girls!!!

If you are simultaneously working on 4 or 5 young girls, your chances of landing one increases exponentially!

Young girls make spontaneous decisions. On any given night, you could be her best offer. This is why its important to stay on her radar screen and make sure she knows that if she needs some dick, she can come to you.

I learned this thru trial and error. You don't always bang a girl the first time you try. Sometimes, it takes a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th effort. Its like anything in life, you don't always get it on the first try, so try again.

That is what I have learned about young girls.

One month they ignore you and the next month they fuck you.

[Kid Twist]

(06-25-2016 11:47 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

I'm also willing to speculate "weed game" would be the most effective game for this age range in the States. I can't imagine the majority of hot young college age American women would turn down the opportunity to smoke up off campus with a cool somewhat older guy they are attracted to.

I'm always wondering this ... I don't like the drug but I feel like some of the youngsters were always looking for that as a reason to come and "chill"

Can you somehow pull this but NOT smoke? Just wondering if that's even possible.

[DonnyGately]

(07-05-2016 12:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 04:50 PM)dopvlur Wrote:  

Looks like its already a lost notch.

Never admit defeat.

Text her again, but, be patient about it, wait 2 weeks or so, if she doesn't reply, wait a month, then text her again. Try to keep these texts flirty, fun, casual and NON-NEEDY! Don't kiss her ass or chase her, just invite her to hang out and have fun. Let her know that YOU are a sexual option for HER.

In the mean time, work on other girls!!!

If you are simultaneously working on 4 or 5 young girls, your chances of landing one increases exponentially!

Young girls make spontaneous decisions. On any given night, you could be her best offer. This is why its important to stay on her radar screen and make sure she knows that if she needs some dick, she can come to you.

I learned this thru trial and error. You don't always bang a girl the first time you try. Sometimes, it takes a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th effort. Its like anything in life, you don't always get it on the first try, so try again.

That is what I have learned about young girls.

One month they ignore you and the next month they fuck you.

Gio preaches the truth. Esp those last parts.

I had a 19y girl flake on me after 2 fun drinking meetups so I of course ignored her.

After a little less than 2 weeks she texted me all apologetic on a Wed night, we spent the entire weekend in bed and she was very submissive and amazing at sex. Turns out, she blew me off for her bff girls, but when I was the best choice it all came together perfectly. She ended up being my exclusive plate for 7-8 months until I nexted her.

[DonnyGately]

(07-05-2016 01:50 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 11:47 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

I'm also willing to speculate "weed game" would be the most effective game for this age range in the States. I can't imagine the majority of hot young college age American women would turn down the opportunity to smoke up off campus with a cool somewhat older guy they are attracted to.

I'm always wondering this ... I don't like the drug but I feel like some of the youngsters were always looking for that as a reason to come and "chill"

Can you somehow pull this but NOT smoke? Just wondering if that's even possible.

YOU should be the reason they come out and chill. I don't smoke but I don't care if they do. Relying on a crutch is detrimental to your game. If they like you, they'll come and chill for a glass of cheap wine, or G+T, or just to watch the Godfather with you.

[Giovonny]

When young girls flake on you..

Intensify the sexuality of your communication!

Put MORE sexual pressure on them!

It's so much fun and it filters out girls who are uninterested.

Plus, it forces you to expand your game to deeper levels!

Here is a 20yo that I recently banged.

(07-05-2016 01:50 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 11:47 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

"weed game"

Can you somehow pull this but NOT smoke? Just wondering if that's even possible.

Of course, it's possible! Just get her over to your house and let her smoke.. You can figure out a way pretend or avoid doing it.

If a girl wants to hang out with you and smoke weed, you have a decent chance to get her clothes off!

(smoke outside! Not indoors! Don't let her smoke too much or drink too much! Very important to not get sloppy drunk/high!)

[Quintus Curtius]

I totally agree with what Giovonny said.

I think it applies to pretty much all women. Don't let them waste your time. Not in this era. You have to make your intentions known right from the beginning or you're done, period.

If she's not down with the program, and doesn't want to take her seat for a ride on your Fun Bus, then "next" her and move on. Life is too short for foolishness and time-wasting.

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[DonnyGately]

(06-24-2016 03:41 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 09:08 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Bingo. Lock them into an event, especially something they've never done before.

This is the great advantage for a man in his prime (30s), you have knowledge, experience, and access to lots of "cool shit."

(06-21-2016 05:46 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 11:47 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Gaming pretty young girls in this day an age (where they have nearly infinite options and the West is a penis paradise for them) is going to be very challenging.

But it's not at all. IMHO it's gotten easier and easier the past few years. They want new experiences and older guys can offer that.

99% of guys just have horrible/mediocre game. You have to have tight game, you have to offer something, you have to be interesting, and be somewhat attractive to her from the jump. As we always say, you can't force attraction.

Or guys target too many red-light girls -- If she says she has a bf and she actually has one at home who she loves, but you are gonna waste 1-2 hours on her because she's cute....I mean she's not going to turn you away if she loves attention.

Guys make so many basic errors - not building comfort, not venue bouncing, not push/pulling, not backturning, getting oneitis, getting upset when they do/say something dumb, expecting to get laid every time out, expecting every # to become a date, not having backup plans if she flakes, terrible logistics, no ability to converse about something she finds fascinating.

This is straight on. Sad this post didn't get more "likes" but everything here is absolutely on point, despite being a bit vague and conceptual.

Seriously, newbies, re-read that post quoted above. These are experiences you need to have and internalize. Shit is not going to go the way you want it to. You have to learn to roll with the punches but not be a bitch. All of this takes time, energy, and experience. Bitches are flakes, but some girls are cool. Learn to be a man who can be chill most of the time but get fired up when it matters. Be interesting. Travel. Do "cool shit" and live to talk about it. Strive for perfection but don't make excuses or complain when things do go 100% your way.

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Let's give specific examples from last night. Booked dates with 4 girls, had another text me for drinks. I had told all of them I was only free last night. They all know I'm significantly older than them, I don't try to hide it.

First girl was a cool, funny girl with a ... I got her talking about growing up and she said how she was always the ugly duckling and still doesn't think she's good-looking, but she's actually a model with an absolute perfect rack and thin waist, the kind guys will immediately stop on the street to talk to, drool over, clown themselves....

Within 30 mins she's telling me how much she likes me - I'm now giving her interview advice as she just graduated. She's talking so much she apologizes but she's clearly anxious to impress.

I tell her I have another date and have to leave soon after ~1.5 hrs of drinking. I can tell she's a little shocked but walks me to the next venue so we can keep talking -- asks why I booked another date and I told her because of flakes and she warned me she would be a bit late due to work, so she used up part of her time with me.

One way I built comfort by saying she must get a lot of attention from creepy dudes, does she like sushi and she now thinks I'm a genius who gets her. She made me promise a specific date and time for our next date. ....
...There are so many hot college girls and graduates out there living with Mom/Dad they are dying to meet new guys.

I was traveling for a week and then she was gone with her family, but as soon as Girl 1 got back in town she texted me last night to meet up this week. Will likely be the hottest body I've ever banged if I can close so wish me luck - 21 with absolutely amazing curves.

Did she care I'm ~20 years older? That I told her directly I was leaving to drink with another girl? That I was busy when she wanted to have another date? Or she didn't get a dinner out of me?

If you make her comfortable and increase her attraction to you, she will text you again and again until you agree to see her.

[Kid Twist]

Do you just ask to meet up at particular times or say I'll pick you up

I am very direct already, but not sure if I should play something sappy like "I'll pick you up in my _ car" or "check out my abs, let's hang out" LOL

The reason I ask mostly is that I've found that if it doesn't happen relatively quick, they either will get attention directed elsewhere, or if they still talk to you, they've soured already and AW you ... seems like always it's been a very short window for opening

[Easy_C]

You people are VASTLY overcomplicating this.

If a lady is wasting your time she is simply not that intersted. If you were Dan Blitzerian do you think you would have that problem?

No you would not. Women will move mountains if they have the hots for a guy....and that is not less the case with millenial ones its much more so because they act purely off emotion and dont have the emotional maturity or patience to think twice about what they are doing.

[griffinmill]

Quote:

If you were Dan Blitzerian do you think you would have that problem?

No. But then, you'd probably be paying her.

[DonnyGately]

(07-11-2016 09:16 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

Do you just ask to meet up at particular times or say I'll pick you up

The reason I ask mostly is that I've found that if it doesn't happen relatively quick, they either will get attention directed elsewhere, or if they still talk to you,

I say I'll meet them at X place at Y time. I always tell them. If they say 7p doesn't work but 730 works then fine obviously. If they want to check out some new bar next to X, that's fine too. But I'm talking a short walk, nothing more, nothing out of my way or not where I want to hang.

I never ever ever would pick them up. If they're under 21, they are living at home 98% of the time or with an aunt of some shit. If they live in the city, they can subway/cab to anywhere you pick. The past week I've had 2 girls take 30 min train rides to meet me. I have dropped a few off, especially if they are in dorms for the summer [or school year.]

If it doesn't go through and they ghost, I just send a text 5-10 days later depending. I've gotten 19 yr olds back out for the bang after utter silence for 2 weeks. They forget about the next guy just as quickly, remember.

These ages are flaky. If that bothers you, start with 21+. Much less flaky. But you still have to offer value, fun, adventure, experiences, etc.

edit: Literally 2 seconds after I posted a very hot 20yr old texted me to meet up after disappearing for 2-3 days. See you later.

[Kid Twist]

What venues do you guys strive for for 19-20 year olds?

Beach? Park?

Just wondering if you meet first then pitch the "come over to my apt" for some conversation etc