[OGNorCal707]

So as a guy in my early thirties I'm enamored with the idea of banging hot 18-19 year old girls despite what society thinks about it. I pretty typically bang girls that are 21-25 so early twenties is common for me, which is nice, but the 18 year olds just seem to slip through my grasp.

The main issue I'm finding is not the initial attraction phase, it's them being super flakey and indecisive, and basically leading me on and wasting my time.

Last year I went on a date with a cute 19 year old chick that I met at a concert and hit it off with, we texted and she agreed to meet up for a date, but right before the date she tells me she has a boyfriend, I tell her that it's all good and I still want to hang out, we go out, but she won't put out, and then tried to make me a text buddy afterwards.

Last week I had been messaging with this 19 year old chick on Tinder, she agreed to hang out with me after she got off work one night, I suggested we meet at this cafe that stays open late that serves food, alcohol, and baked goods. She says she needs to go home, but I can come over and hang out and that I should bring some beer.

Part of me was thinking damn I can probably just go over and smash on this chick, but another part of me was thinking it was too good to be true. Anyway I get showered up I'm all ready to go, but she doesn't reply to my text when I ask her for her address, I wait and text her again, but still nothing. Later that night at one am she sends me a text saying "sorry my roommates had people over and I ended up getting too fucked up." I didn't reply and a few days later I noticed she deleted me from Tinder.

Today there was a local festival in the neighboring town that brings out a lot of people for daytime food, music, and beer. A lot of people go and there are a ridiculous amount of hotties, many of which are in the late teens and early twenties range.

I kind of got a late start on approaches, but ended up spitting to a few groups of hotties, I seemed to hook a hot blonde and her friend who both said they were 18, technically you need a wrist band to buy alcohol, but all the under 21 kids just bring their own or show up drunk. The blonde seemed to be really into me, I was physically escalating putting my arm around her, touching her waist, we talked for a while and she gave me her number. Her and her friend said they wanted to drink some more and party, so I went to the liquor store and grab a bottle of Sailor Jerry.

I come immediately back to them, but all of a sudden 5 minutes later they were acting totally disinterested, when I was saying lets get out of her and crack this bottle, they kept saying they wanted to, but then would kind of wander off, and it got to the point where I was kind of just following them with this bottle in my hand like a lost puppy. I had to check myself and realized what I was doing and how whack it was, just said fuck it and split and headed back to the group of guys I had previously been chilling with.

Anyway it was good to get that rant out of me, I don't want to completely write off the under 21 crowd, and want to keep the dream of banging hot 18 year olds alive, but it's just frustrating as hell trying to deal with them sometimes. Is this just typical of girls in that age range, they are inexperienced, indecisive, and hot so they inevitably have multiple guys of all ages trying to holler at them.

I just want to find a nice young one that is down to fuck! Got another 19 year old chicks number who is what I'd call a "brick house" she looks just like the porn star Keisha Grey if any of you wankers know who that is. I'm going to try to hit her up in a couple days, but certainly won't be getting my hopes up. I'll admit I already looked her up on Facebook and she just posted two weeks ago that she's "in a relationship", but she gave me her number, didn't flinch when I put my hand on her huge ass, and told me to text her.

[philosophical_recovery]

I know a little about this, but please take it with a grain of salt. I'm in the same age group as you, and have still smashed a few in the 18-early 20s range post 30.

1 - Don't take this shit personal. Unless girls are digging you, especially in this age range, you are an object to them. They are clueless about value because they've been sheltered from responsibility for their entire lives at this stage. This flaking is not personal.

2 - I suggest not being the older guy that brings liquor or other substances into these girls' grasps until you've already smashed. Too many chances here, too many legal lines, it isn't worth it. If you can't smash them sober, it's probably not a good idea. Most of my bangs in this age range were while I was drinking 0 alcohol for a year.

3 - Utilize the venue bounce more. For young girls like this, you have to hijack them from their friends, isolate, and get them hooked on you as a person. You will be judged by their friends, harshly. If their friends all like you, it may work, but good luck isolating them. If you get their number, hopefully you have an interesting hobby and a way to show it or gradually bring it into conversation, and how "you should come by my place and check out this album/art/whatever" AFTER you have successfully bounced them from a cafe to a walk in the park to somewhere else. You have to make sure that they're into you. This can be difficult to tell.

4- You may be surprised by what happens. Obviously, you want to smash, but I've noticed a strong bimodality with these girls. Some of them will latch on hard afterward, some of them will ghost you afterward and be apathetic. It's like post-college girls but more flighty. Chalk it up to experience, and realize that either a) it's a vibe you're putting off that they're not digging, and try to fix it or b) it's not personal and they're just flaky in general. Generally, they're sweeter, but I'm still surprised by how quickly girls like this will fuck you eagerly then flip like a lightswitch and pull attachment immediately away.

Just keep in mind, you're dealing with a human that has likely never had any real challenges, victories, or responsibilities when they're 18 nowadays. So, they don't understand and can't figure out what to think about you being older. They may not find it exciting (like you would like). Some girls have some life experience, likely don't live in the city, and have had some responsibility. Those are far more open to being with an older guy, at least in my experience. Other posters may have more thoughts on this, but that's been what I've seen.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Throw some jerk game into the mix? I'm not a game master but my initial instinct here was that these girls got the sense that you wanted them more than they wanted you and it triggered off their beta/lower-smv warning sirens.

Are you using push/pull?

[greekgod]

^agree with above.

Your looking for confirmation in your interactions in a very linear escalation type way. Stack interest, stack open, stack vibe, stack escalate, stack venue switch, etc, etc.

I don't see anything about you leading. I don't read about you giving off a vibe of the older man who knows his shit.

Your dipping one toe in.

Young girls are inexperienced, they're looking for you to give them an experience. That means leading. Instead of buying a bottle and return..make it a game, hey, let's go pick out a booze, hang at mine, and have a drink. Once we mellow out, well pick another spot.

I remember reading a post of yours before about helping some girl you were banging move, it read like an over think.

Sometimes you just gotta say "what the fuck. Make your move"

You care too damn much. There is only 1 oregonnorsocal, millions of 18-19 year old chicks. Act like it.

If my existential critique was too far off, check your vibe. Get that devil may care vibe on and see what happens.

[HankMoody]

I was going to write a post about this and still might...

A significant part of my social circle is younger girls, 19 - 25, most of whom are either waitresses or strippers. I get to watch a lot of this unfold before my eyes.

This is the issue - they are getting hit up constantly, all the time, at every hour of the day to do stuff with either their friends or men.

"You wanna go get drinks?"
"You wanna go camping?"
"You want to take a trip to [somewhere]?"
"Hey, there's a party at Chad's house, come over"
"Brunch?"
"Concert tonight. I have extra tix? U game?"

They're getting blown up on text, Instagram, Facebook, SnapChat, Twitter, and other social media I don't even understand. Their options on any given day are limitless, only inhibited by whether or not they can afford a $10 Uber trip (which the guy will usually pay for anyway). That's why they're always on their phone - it's a constant source of potential adventure and better options, often funded by a thirsty man.

Hot women in particular, and the younger generations, have a colossal case of ADD due to the instant nature of communications and availability of cheap thrills. They flake because they can with no consequences. In fact, often a flake results in a more interesting adventure.

If you choose to bang younger women, this is part of the deal.

[XPQ22]

(06-19-2016 12:12 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

I know a little about this, but please take it with a grain of salt. I'm in the same age group as you, and have still smashed a few in the 18-early 20s range post 30.

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I agree with pretty much all of this.

I'm in my mid 30s, and the youngest I've gone is 24. I usually hang with women in their late 20s or early 30s if I want a girl who's going to stick around for a while - when you start talking ten year age difference the generational and experience gap is so large that there's not much to develop anything more serious on, and even though a fair amount of girls might want to bang an older guy, you have to keep in mind that her peers are probably going to come down on her like the wrath of an angry god if they see her with you on the regular.

The ability to "keep up appearances" and for "plausible deniability" resonates even harder if there's a big age difference.

And even girls in their mid 20s who aren't ever going to set the world on fire with their looks will flake on you mercilessly after the bang as well, even if you're tall, somewhat conventionally attractive, and work out, and financially stable. A homely "5" or "6" making lame excuses and then ghosting after you fucked her from a SNL just twelve hours prior is completely common. You were just a pump and dump to them so they'd have something to cross off their bucket list, or write a blog entry about. It's the way it is.

[XPQ22]

(06-19-2016 01:50 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

Sometimes you just gotta say "what the fuck. Make your move"

You care too damn much. There is only 1 oregonnorsocal, millions of 18-19 year old chicks. Act like it.

If my existential critique was too far off, check your vibe. Get that devil may care vibe on and see what happens.

Sometimes with young girls who seem into you as an older guy, going ultra-direct is not at all a bad option if you've got them in person and isolated in the right context.

Couple months ago I spotted a girl in her 20s who goes to a club I also go to sometimes buying wine from a liquor store on her way home. I chatted her up, she was smiling and laughing, made some physical contact, and she made no effort to act like she had to be anywhere else.

"Hey, I'm parked right over there...wanna go open up that wine you got and make out? <sly grin>

Didn't get the bang, but she just smiled and said "Heh, sure" and came right along. Online dating girls who were into me when we first met were grabbing my cock on park benches within 20 minutes of meeting them. They didn't even ask permission. I sure know better than to grab a girl's tits unless I'm positive we're heading in that direction, but what rule says I can't be almost as direct, verbally?

Read some stories young Internet girls post about their experiences in foreign countries. That's how Frenchmen fucking roll. "My dear, the crepes were delicious, don't you think? Anyway. Let's find a place to fuck."

You don't care either way. At the very least, you'll stand out in a world of simps offering to buy her concert tickets and take her on weekend "camping" trips. If she's not with it, at least you didn't waste any more time.

[OGNorCal707]

(06-19-2016 01:50 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

^agree with above.

Your looking for confirmation in your interactions in a very linear escalation type way. Stack interest, stack open, stack vibe, stack escalate, stack venue switch, etc, etc.

I don't see anything about you leading. I don't read about you giving off a vibe of the older man who knows his shit.

Your dipping one toe in.

Young girls are inexperienced, they're looking for you to give them an experience. That means leading. Instead of buying a bottle and return..make it a game, hey, let's go pick out a booze, hang at mine, and have a drink. Once we mellow out, well pick another spot.

I remember reading a post of yours before about helping some girl you were banging move, it read like an over think.

Sometimes you just gotta say "what the fuck. Make your move"

You care too damn much. There is only 1 oregonnorsocal, millions of 18-19 year old chicks. Act like it.

If my existential critique was too far off, check your vibe. Get that devil may care vibe on and see what happens.

Thanks for the feedback, I always try to lead the interaction with any woman I'm trying to game whether she be 19 or 39, leading is always essential and I can see how it is even more essential with younger women who like I said are indecisive and like Hank said have severe ADHD.

However for one to lead the other must follow, hence what I am writing about here, my issue is that these chicks just are too flakey and are not following my lead enough. I always try to set a dominate frame, but my impression is that if you are too dominant with the younger crowd you risk "scaring away the cat" as Roosh would say.

Maybe there are some 18-19 year old girls out there who secretly crave a very dominant older man to lead them, especially considering how most of their male peers at that age are more or less clueless on how to behave with women and female psychology in general.

Any how my game is far from flawless and there's always room to improve, but in this particular situation I don't think leading enough is the issue, of course there could be some glaring problem that I'm not consciously aware of, however I think Hank really hit the nail on the head as far as how girls that age are just so ADHD.

If anything maybe I do give off the vibe that I care more than they do, I try to be aware of this and try at all costs not to exude a "needy vibe". But at the end of the day the fact is I do care more than they do, because I want to bang that super hot 19 year old 9/10 more than she wants to bang me, and I'm not the only one who wants to bang them which is the problem.

As far as that goes I don't see how there's any quick fix, hot 19 year olds who look like they could model are at the top of the sexual market pyramid, unless I gain some kind of fame, I don't see how I can flip that script and make them want me more than I want them.

So yeah maybe I can improve my vibe to give off a more of a "I don't give a shit vibe", but that's one of the inherent contradictions of game, you got to act like you care less than her, but by approaching her and making your intentions known you are in fact showing her your cards to an extent. Unless she approaches you are bombards you with IOIs anytime you approach a woman she will automatically know you are interested in pursuing her. I guess therein lies the art of game, balancing that with a cool, collected and smooth vibe that wins her over.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-19-2016 01:50 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

^agree with above.

Your looking for confirmation in your interactions in a very linear escalation type way. Stack interest, stack open, stack vibe, stack escalate, stack venue switch, etc, etc.

I don't see anything about you leading. I don't read about you giving off a vibe of the older man who knows his shit.

Your dipping one toe in.

Young girls are inexperienced, they're looking for you to give them an experience. That means leading. Instead of buying a bottle and return..make it a game, hey, let's go pick out a booze, hang at mine, and have a drink. Once we mellow out, well pick another spot.

I remember reading a post of yours before about helping some girl you were banging move, it read like an over think.

Sometimes you just gotta say "what the fuck. Make your move"

You care too damn much. There is only 1 oregonnorsocal, millions of 18-19 year old chicks. Act like it.

If my existential critique was too far off, check your vibe. Get that devil may care vibe on and see what happens.

[General Stalin]

To answer your posts summed up: Yes. Teenaged girls tend to be very flighty.

As other posters have said - these girls haven't had any responsibility in their lives yet. They don't value stability, dependability, low-key, etc. The young liberated girl is always chasing a good time. Often times... fucking you is just one of the little things on that long list of fun experiences. She will tell her friends "omg yeah I fucked that older guy from that party last night lol I'm so bad" then on to the next thing. Being the "old guy" that buys them booze, gives them a ride, or is just trying to hook up with them is likely not the best way into their pants. Being the fun and exciting good-time guy is the easiest way to fuck their 'ginas tingling. Being the sexy older dude whose tough to impress but they need to impress is another way. Just my $0.02.

I've hooked up with a handful of 18/19 year old girls over the past few years. A couple of them have actually been the most stone cold one night stands I've had. Get together, hang out all night, bang a couple times, never hear form them again. Text them, they don't respond.

This may be a hint that the next generation of Western women are going to be two-fold worse than the Millennial women of today.

[DonnyGately]

You have to establish a dominant, older man frame with them, but one that is always 'fun.' You have to lead, you have to venue bounce. I've had no success with 18s but plenty with 19-20s, they do not care that I'm ~20 years older than them.

As others have said, they should be chasing you. You have to get them out on the date or meetup, but once there you have to make it a fun, relaxed vibe. Don't be afraid to throw out the false time constraint - 'I have to work in the morning let's go somewhere else now...' like another bar, your crib, etc. Directly ask them why you should waste your time on them.

Never ever chase. And generally do not go somewhere she's surrounded by friends and betas. Make her come meet you somewhere 1 on 1. A few drinks some of them will blow you in your car or a taxi. They desire emotions & experiences not a linear dating pattern from the 1970s or 80s. Make physical contact early, kiss them on the way to/from the next bar, whisper in their ear when you're sitting next to you.

I don't find that 20s are any more cold than 30s. In fact, the ones I've met recently have been quite warm. If they don't text you back again you haven't run comfort in addition to attraction. Girls I bang always think I want to see them again, if only to repeat that performance.

My own 2 cents is that 19 is much easier than 18 and 20 is much much easier. 21-23 should be a breeze. So many of these girls are looking for new and different and experienced and fun and NSA. They are sick of guys their own age, trust me!

Take advantage.

[XXL]

Young chick's mind is pulled in different directions most of the time. It's tough to catch and keep their attention. What I do is I go overboard with how I express myself. I go hard. I want to make a girl go "wtf!" or "he said what?!".

Being cool, calm and collected in not enough usually. When you sit down next to them and try to be all cool and suave they get bored quickly. They just want to have fun and feel good. You have to make strong first impression [not necessarily good, just strong], impact her and engage to keep attention. Even then they often tend to wander off and get distracted. Never take that personally, they have no idea what they're doing. Take it as a signal to be more engaging. You need to repeat the same process. Re-engage.

[DannyAlberta]

I can't add much to the mix here as there's some very good advice above,

However, I would contribute by saying that perhaps try not to frame it in the negative so much. I know it is frustrating to see no hooks or lays after expending effort. That said, try not to be so goal oriented. With each interaction, even if unsuccessful, you are honing your game. I was never one of those guys who kept a log, but there is always something to be taken from every interaction you can keep in your head, i.e.: a) won't fail that particular shit test again; b) that seemed to work do more of it, etc.

Gaming pretty young girls in this day an age (where they have nearly infinite options and the West is a penis paradise for them) is going to be very challenging. Try to look at it as more of a systems-based approach than a goals-based approach. What I mean is even failure will help you improve some aspect of your game. That helps me from getting discouraged in everything I do, game-based or otherwise.

Goals-based is too success-or-failure and can have you framing things negatively when you are actually making progress.

A systems-based outlook will also naturally make you see each interaction more instinctively positive, which tend to help you with everything from your energy level to subtle body language.

[DonnyGately]

(06-21-2016 11:47 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Gaming pretty young girls in this day an age (where they have nearly infinite options and the West is a penis paradise for them) is going to be very challenging.

But it's not at all. IMHO it's gotten easier and easier the past few years. They want new experiences and older guys can offer that.

99% of guys just have horrible/mediocre game. You have to have tight game, you have to offer something, you have to be interesting, and be somewhat attractive to her from the jump. As we always say, you can't force attraction.

Or guys target too many red-light girls -- If she says she has a bf and she actually has one at home who she loves, but you are gonna waste 1-2 hours on her because she's cute....I mean she's not going to turn you away if she loves attention.

Guys make so many basic errors - not building comfort, not venue bouncing, not push/pulling, not backturning, getting oneitis, getting upset when they do/say something dumb, expecting to get laid every time out, expecting every # to become a date, not having backup plans if she flakes, terrible logistics, no ability to converse about something she finds fascinating.

[greekgod]

(06-19-2016 01:04 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(06-19-2016 01:50 AM)greekgod Wrote:  

^agree with above.

Your looking for confirmation in your interactions in a very linear escalation type way. Stack interest, stack open, stack vibe, stack escalate, stack venue switch, etc, etc.

I don't see anything about you leading. I don't read about you giving off a vibe of the older man who knows his shit.

Your dipping one toe in.

Young girls are inexperienced, they're looking for you to give them an experience. That means leading. Instead of buying a bottle and return..make it a game, hey, let's go pick out a booze, hang at mine, and have a drink. Once we mellow out, well pick another spot.

I remember reading a post of yours before about helping some girl you were banging move, it read like an over think.

Sometimes you just gotta say "what the fuck. Make your move"

You care too damn much. There is only 1 oregonnorsocal, millions of 18-19 year old chicks. Act like it.

If my existential critique was too far off, check your vibe. Get that devil may care vibe on and see what happens.

Thanks for the feedback, I always try to lead the interaction with any woman I'm trying to game whether she be 19 or 39, leading is always essential and I can see how it is even more essential with younger women who like I said are indecisive and like Hank said have severe ADHD.

However for one to lead the other must follow, hence what I am writing about here, my issue is that these chicks just are too flakey and are not following my lead enough. I always try to set a dominate frame, but my impression is that if you are too dominant with the younger crowd you risk "scaring away the cat" as Roosh would say.

Maybe there are some 18-19 year old girls out there who secretly crave a very dominant older man to lead them, especially considering how most of their male peers at that age are more or less clueless on how to behave with women and female psychology in general.

Any how my game is far from flawless and there's always room to improve, but in this particular situation I don't think leading enough is the issue, of course there could be some glaring problem that I'm not consciously aware of, however I think Hank really hit the nail on the head as far as how girls that age are just so ADHD.

If anything maybe I do give off the vibe that I care more than they do, I try to be aware of this and try at all costs not to exude a "needy vibe". But at the end of the day the fact is I do care more than they do, because I want to bang that super hot 19 year old 9/10 more than she wants to bang me, and I'm not the only one who wants to bang them which is the problem.

As far as that goes I don't see how there's any quick fix, hot 19 year olds who look like they could model are at the top of the sexual market pyramid, unless I gain some kind of fame, I don't see how I can flip that script and make them want me more than I want them.

So yeah maybe I can improve my vibe to give off a more of a "I don't give a shit vibe", but that's one of the inherent contradictions of game, you got to act like you care less than her, but by approaching her and making your intentions known you are in fact showing her your cards to an extent. Unless she approaches you are bombards you with IOIs anytime you approach a woman she will automatically know you are interested in pursuing her. I guess therein lies the art of game, balancing that with a cool, collected and smooth vibe that wins her over.

I hear you. "Scaring the cat away" is always a big concern especially with youngins.

By being interested it doesn't necessarily mean your more invested, it just means your discovering if she's worthy of your time. Yeah, she has the hot body and tight pussy but you got the value and mind frame to set it right. That is the inherent trade off. You can express your interest by "taking her along for the ride" without being supplicating. How you do that is on your particular style and vibe.

In my case, my vibe is fun. My goal is to enjoy every interaction and have fun with it. For the longest of times, I tried to be a "clinical gamer" and had all the tropes running through my head. Project confidence, smash shit tests, be aloof, "alpha fux & beta bux", being edgy, etc, etc. I was fucking miserable and my results sucked. But I kept thinking, if I keep doing this, it will turn around. Nah, it never did. I gave that shit up. I internalized some of the game principles and said fuck the rest. I'll figure it out on the fly. I'm 1000x more attractive.

Why?

Because I do things for the fun of it. Conversations are for my own satisfaction. Theres very little agenda going on anymore. My investment is in enjoying myself first and women second. Long term, many will get more bangs than me but I'll have more fun with the whole process and get the type of chicks I want.

To your point on flakiness and banging the 18-19 YO. Is your first instinct when you see them to go talk to them? Like is your belt buckle just leading in the direction or are you in your head thinking "young pussy, must bang BC that means I'm top of the food chain?" In other words, do you actually enjoy talking to them? If not, this is all for naught. If so then might I suggest somewhere with lower energy. ADHD at a festival is going to be real high especially with all her friends around. What about art gallery nights or museums? To overcome the flakiness, you have to penetrate their adhd. So you have to play to win, playing don't fuck it up game with them won't work.

So maybe it's not so much dominance that is making the cats scared but lack of the right milk to keep their attention.

And others made a very good point, don't take it personally, they're too young to take seriously.

[RawGod]

Some good posts here. It's interesting how there's such clear patterns related to age, which jive with my own experiences. Particularly that 18 is much harder than 20. I think that many young girls want to tick the box of an older guy, and usually they will only do it once. You have to be the lucky guy who puts himself forward at the right time. If she already ticked that box 3 months ago, you'll be out of luck. Of course there are exceptions as a minority of girls will become drawn to older guys.
Best thing is to have a lifestyle/location so that a date with a 19 year old is not a rare thing that you get excited about but a regular occurrence. These girls are unforgiving and often go ghost, best to have another lined up at all times.

[philosophical_recovery]

Tonight, I ran into a girl I was banging when she was 19 about a year and a half ago and the first thing I thought about was this thread .

Memories flashed back, and I came to a larger realization to further extend what I said earlier.

I remembered bringing her back the first time, her shaking out of excitement and nervousness as I peeled her clothes off, taking my time and giving her plenty of outs, but she never resisted a bit, but pressed on. I remembered what her body felt like, I remembered the way that she looked at me, all of that. Part of it's still there.

But, I also remember part of my mindset that is lingering but I had to kill it fast or it was going to wreck my night.

I kept thinking "if she does xx or yy then it's totally on and I'm going to hit that again" or "blah blah blah try this." I actually enjoyed talking to her, except when I got caught in that loop.

Truth be told, my main reason for posting again is this:

It is incredibly easy to get oneitis for young girls when you are in your thirties.

Every passing year, I wonder if this is the year that will be the last that I get to experience youth, reinvigorating my playful and younger side, and so far it hasn't happened. But, there's that deep-set, underlying fear that this is the last one. I, personally, have to show that attitude the door. It's poisonous, fearful, and puts me in the wrong state of mind entirely. It seeps through my pores if I don't master it.

I looked back, remembering one time, slipping jeans off her thin waist, feeling her tiny little hipbones and seeing her trim bush and how good it felt, and I wanted it back now. But, I overgamed the hell out of her. I was all over the place, giddy from a taste of young pussy. Hell, I had met her parents and her extended family and they all seemed to like me, I crashed on the couch late at night in their house one time, no issues. No shotguns chasing me out of the door.

But, the overgame was strong. She dropped me quickly and harshly. I reacted poorly. One time, she came back up after I ignored her for months, and we had another week long fling. I didn't overgame as much then, but the truth of our conflicting personalities came out more. Tonight, there seemed to be little of that left.

Point is, as much as I observed how that vibe wasn't there, I still wanted to force it. That memory of a damn near untouched body still lingered in my mind.

My only solution is to take note of my own mindset and keep going for other girls. Watch the strong oneitis tendency. Young pussy can do a lot to man. I've seen it wreck marriages and thus totally fuck over lives.

It reminds me of a scene from Deadwood:

Quote:

Fucking pussy

Background: New girl arrives in town, extremely young. All the men stare when she walks in the rooms, drawing a lot of attention in a few days. Dan builds an obsession and stabs a man just for staring at her.

Young pussy can only be as powerful as you let it be. You can't control it, only your reaction to it. You'll drive yourself mad chasing it, especially if you have the wrong attitude.

It isn't easy.

[Giovonny]

If you're worried about "wasting time"..

Be more sexual!

- Show off your body. (tank tops, not wearing a shirt, etc.)

- Sexualize your look (creative hair, clothes, accessories, etc.)

- Look at them sexually (hold eye contact, look up and down their body)

- Tell them that you want to get drunk/high with them (say it playfully)

- Be more direct and bold.

- Give less fucks.

As an older man, we have to create a sexual spark immediately!

They have to see us and think -- "I would fuck that older guy"

We have to look like a cool and sexy 30 year old guy, not an average dork.

Being more sexual and direct serves as a filter. It filters IN girls who are interested in being sexual with you and filters OUT girls who are not attracted to you.

Don't be the "nice guy" who makes bullshit small talk and than politely asks for her number. Go macho beast mode and sexualize everything right from the start. High risk but high reward!

The only girls who will respond positively are the girls who are sexually turned on by you, all others will run away. So, your success rate might be low but you won't "waste any time" chasing girls who don't like you..

Filter for the young sluts and avoid the others who will require more time invested.

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I'm 40 and I approach mostly 18/19 year olds.

It ain't easy.

To find success, I have to be sharp in all areas. My appearance, my vibe, my conversation, my body, etc.

I'm very aggressive and sometimes too direct, but, when I find one who likes me, I just have to get her alone and the clothes will be coming off, because I established that sexual intent from the beginning.

I have "wasted" alot of time chasing 18 and 19 year olds but honestly, it has been a joy. Its my favorite hobby, nothing else inspires me quite like a beautiful, young girl!

[booshala]

I'm 36 and have met a decent number of <20 year olds lately. I can recall three girls in the past year where I got them in my car, tits out and finger blasting them but wasn't able to bang, usually for logistical reasons. I wasn't worried about it because I figured that I'd be in like Flynn after doing shit like that, but each time they just ghosted... Same with the most recent 19 year old that I banged once and she never returned my texts after.

In the same vein as Giovanny and Hank Moody, think you really have to strike while the iron is hot and go hard from the get-go. Also, it's probably a good idea to realize that you're just going to have to take more lumps when dealing with very young girls, compared to those in their 20's and 30's and not take it too personally. They're at peak attractiveness and are getting offers of dick thrown at them at a near constant rate. It's a framework designed for them to wander off sooner or later.

[Kid Twist]

boosh

Where are you meeting them typically? Cold approaches? day/night?

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[booshala]

(06-22-2016 03:33 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

boosh

Where are you meeting them typically? Cold approaches? day/night?

volume volume volume

Mostly from SA and also servers and their friends that work for my cousins. I make it a point not to fraternize with my own staff, but they don't seem to care so I've jumped pretty hard on that as they employ lots of cute teenagers and early 20's females.

[dopvlur]

Have a date tonight with a fresh 18 yo HB7.5, planning to take her to play pool and then going to my apartment, following Gio advice Im gonna wear a polo that show my arms and be aggresive from the beginning. Im in my early 30s.

[Gmac]

(06-19-2016 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I was going to write a post about this and still might...

A significant part of my social circle is younger girls, 19 - 25, most of whom are either waitresses or strippers. I get to watch a lot of this unfold before my eyes.

This is the issue - they are getting hit up constantly, all the time, at every hour of the day to do stuff with either their friends or men.

"You wanna go get drinks?"
"You wanna go camping?"
"You want to take a trip to [somewhere]?"
"Hey, there's a party at Chad's house, come over"
"Brunch?"
"Concert tonight. I have extra tix? U game?"

They're getting blown up on text, Instagram, Facebook, SnapChat, Twitter, and other social media I don't even understand. Their options on any given day are limitless, only inhibited by whether or not they can afford a $10 Uber trip (which the guy will usually pay for anyway). That's why they're always on their phone - it's a constant source of potential adventure and better options, often funded by a thirsty man.

Hot women in particular, and the younger generations, have a colossal case of ADD due to the instant nature of communications and availability of cheap thrills. They flake because they can with no consequences. In fact, often a flake results in a more interesting adventure.

If you choose to bang younger women, this is part of the deal.

Bingo. Lock them into an event, especially something they've never done before.

This is the great advantage for a man in his prime (30s), you have knowledge, experience, and access to lots of "cool shit."

Take advantage of those "cheap thrills" and be the guy to give these young girls their first taste of life.

(06-21-2016 05:46 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 11:47 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Gaming pretty young girls in this day an age (where they have nearly infinite options and the West is a penis paradise for them) is going to be very challenging.

But it's not at all. IMHO it's gotten easier and easier the past few years. They want new experiences and older guys can offer that.

99% of guys just have horrible/mediocre game. You have to have tight game, you have to offer something, you have to be interesting, and be somewhat attractive to her from the jump. As we always say, you can't force attraction.

Or guys target too many red-light girls -- If she says she has a bf and she actually has one at home who she loves, but you are gonna waste 1-2 hours on her because she's cute....I mean she's not going to turn you away if she loves attention.

Guys make so many basic errors - not building comfort, not venue bouncing, not push/pulling, not backturning, getting oneitis, getting upset when they do/say something dumb, expecting to get laid every time out, expecting every # to become a date, not having backup plans if she flakes, terrible logistics, no ability to converse about something she finds fascinating.

This is straight on. Sad this post didn't get more "likes" but everything here is absolutely on point, despite being a bit vague and conceptual.

Seriously, newbies, re-read that post quoted above. These are experiences you need to have and internalize. Shit is not going to go the way you want it to. You have to learn to roll with the punches but not be a bitch. All of this takes time, energy, and experience. Bitches are flakes, but some girls are cool. Learn to be a man who can be chill most of the time but get fired up when it matters. Be interesting. Travel. Do "cool shit" and live to talk about it. Strive for perfection but don't make excuses or complain when things do go 100% your way.

Above all... stop giving a fuck. Truly. That is not an easy thing, but you can do it. I have. Good luck.

[eatthishomie]

Where I'm from the early 30-something "ladies" play the same games and run the same bullshit.

At least the 18-25 girls can back their flakiness and immaturity up with, you know, actual youth.

[General Stalin]

Here's a good time-waster story.

Went out to a club last weekend with a couple forum members. Ended up getting the number from this freakishly tall 21-year old blond girl (6'2"). I was pretty buzzed but I maybe give her a six (soft six - face left some to be desired). We start texting and I'm angling for a meetup. She's difficult with making plans yadda yadda anyway the other day she tells me to hang with her at the same club we met at on Thurs (last night). Fuck that I'm not going on a date with some soft 6 to a club. I tell her to hit me up after if she's down to hang(bang). Says she won't be able to hang after "too bad."

Lo and behold, she texts me at 1am asking if I could pick her up from her house in an hour. Seems like an obvious booty call - fuck yeah why not. She lives like 35 minutes away, so I hope in my car and pick her up. The whole ride back to my place she showing me pictures of her fucking dogs and her cat on her phone while I'm driving. We get to my place, I have her take her boots off, and give her "the tour." We go to my bedroom and she plops right on my bed. I lay down with her and start kissing. She sucks. Lips are mad chapped and dry, and her kisses are short pecky kisses. Keeps saying how drunk and tired she is (). I'm kissing her neck, sucking her ears, sucks on her titties (they're nice) - nothing. She is showing no sexual response and looking in-engaged as fuck. Regardless, she lets me take her pants and undies off. I start showing down her box - still nothing. I start taking my clothes off and she starts showing some LMR to having sex "I just want to cuddle!"

What the fuck? I tell her I don't sleep with girls I'm not fucking. She says "let's just cuddle then we can fuck and cuddle some more" Yeah. Ok. I lay there for a second and it becomes apparent this bitch is just going to pass out in my bed. I'll be fucked if I'm going to drive an hour out of my way to just have some bitch sleep over and get no action. I draw the line and I tell her if we're not having sex then she can sleep on my couch because I feel like fucking and I'm not sharing my bed with a girl who's not down. So she sees whats going on, get an upset look on her face, puts her clothes back on and asks if I can take her home. I tell her to get and Uber but she says her Debit card was compromised and she can't make any purchases with it (she mentioned it earlier so I know it wasn't an in-the-moment excuse).

I say fuck it and make the awkward long quiet drive back to her place. She tells me she's sorry for not having sex and that she "didn't know I just wanted sex." Get the fuck outta here you gonna text a guy you've met once for 20 minutes to come pick you up at 2am on a Thursday and lay in my bed to just "cuddle" HA! I drop her off she says "sorry" again and 5 minutes after I pull away she texts me a two-pager apologizing for not realizing I just wanted to have sex, and that she didn't want to have sex and then have me not want to talk to her anymore. "You probably don't want to talk to me again so bye I guess." Correct. I deleted her contact info right away. Fucking waste of time and gas. Didn't get to bed until 4:30am.

It was entirely my own fault. Hubris really. I figured the bang was in the bag, and I happen to have plans with a different girl every night this weekend and was thinking maybe I could go for a bang PR and fuck 4 different girls in 4 days. So I took the risk and went way out of my way for a broad I haven't even banged yet and got burned for it. Charge it to the game.