[Hooligan Harry]

Is this common?

I just dicked my 4th American girl and she had a mouth on her that would make a sailor blush. Out of the 4 I have been with, 3 were like this while the other still liked to talk but was a little less vulgar.

Am I finding skanks (if yes, the radar is working ) or is this typical?

[Vicious]

As another non-American I've found that this seems to be pretty typical. American women's relation to sex is that it should be conducted like it is in porn (for good and bad).

[thegmanifesto]

Hooligan Harry -

Typical in this day and age.

10 + years ago, way more rare.

"Out of the 4 I have been with, 3 were like this while the other still liked to talk but was a little less vulgar. "

That is about right. 75%.

Successful sample I would say.

As far as a theory on the "why?", I think Tuthmosis is the man for the job.

Tuthmosis?

Side note:

I thought you were American? Where are you from?

[Tuthmosis]

(07-25-2011 04:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

As far as a theory on the "why?", I think Tuthmosis is the man for the job.

Tuthmosis?

Guess I'm slowly becoming the theory man around here. The classic explanation thrown around the manosphere for this phenomenon is the proliferation of Internet porn. And I'm sure that's played a role. Another piece is that the average American girl has no clue on how to be sexy. This is their best attempt. It's a little like when they flat-out insult a guy in an effort to be flirty and edgy. A third element--one I haven't really heard yet--could be, strangely enough, the ascent of socially conservative, "abstinence education" that has straight-up replaced sex-ed in the schools.

As funny as it may seem, porn may have become the new sex-ed in many parts of the country.

[oldnemesis]

(07-25-2011 02:08 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Is this common? I just dicked my 4th American girl and she had a mouth on her that would make a sailor blush.

Yes, it is common. Every Russian I talked to about chicks complained about that. In my opinion, those chicks just don't know how to be sexy and not being feminine at the same time, so they resolve this dilemma by turning into the "porn star" experience.

BTW, didn't it look to you like they all follow the same pattern, and even using the same phrases? I wonder if they all learned that from the same porn movie.

PS. Silence seem to be very uncomfortable for a lot of Americans.

[iknowexactly]

i don't hear female erotic speech in porn, they sound angry to me.

FUCK my PUSSY-- it sounds like a drill sergeant.

The best ( only good?) thing about a sizable minority of American girls for me is they do like dramatic, romantic talk during sex. Also submissive speech, about how they'll do anything etc.

I don't mean crude as in "F me", I mean passionate declaration.

I love that stuff. My experience is probably different, I never really do one night stands unless I'm on a ferry in Finland or something so exotic I can't
chump out. I only really sleep with girls I really, really like, or love. It think that turns them on a lot but means huge dry spells for me.

I see it as the flip side of puritanism. When people are trained to not be emotional, when they finally let go it's more exaggerated.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-25-2011 06:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(07-25-2011 04:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

As far as a theory on the "why?", I think Tuthmosis is the man for the job.

Tuthmosis?

Guess I'm slowly becoming the theory man around here. The classic explanation thrown around the manosphere for this phenomenon is the proliferation of Internet porn. And I'm sure that's played a role. Another piece is that the average American girl has no clue on how to be sexy. This is their best attempt. It's a little like when they flat-out insult a guy in an effort to be flirty and edgy. A third element--one I haven't really heard yet--could be, strangely enough, the ascent of socially conservative, "abstinence education" that has straight-up replaced sex-ed in the schools.

As funny as it may seem, porn may have become the new sex-ed in many parts of the country.

Great "theory" work as always.

[dk902]

(07-25-2011 06:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(07-25-2011 04:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

As far as a theory on the "why?", I think Tuthmosis is the man for the job.

Tuthmosis?

Guess I'm slowly becoming the theory man around here. The classic explanation thrown around the manosphere for this phenomenon is the proliferation of Internet porn. And I'm sure that's played a role. Another piece is that the average American girl has no clue on how to be sexy. This is their best attempt. It's a little like when they flat-out insult a guy in an effort to be flirty and edgy. A third element--one I haven't really heard yet--could be, strangely enough, the ascent of socially conservative, "abstinence education" that has straight-up replaced sex-ed in the schools.

As funny as it may seem, porn may have become the new sex-ed in many parts of the country.

" Another piece is that the average American girl has no clue on how to be sexy. This is their best attempt."

This is the same with maybe to a slightly lesser extent English girls and I think it's in endemic across the Anglophone world in general. Among one of the many reasons I can't wait to go back to living in España

[Oblivion77]

(07-25-2011 07:32 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

PS. Silence seem to be very uncomfortable for a lot of Americans.

Bingo! we have a winner!
I agree, completely. As an European in the states I noticed the same pattern. But to stress it a step further: people in the US seem often extremely eager to please everyone. Talking about girls, they tend to agree enthusiastically to any invitation, even when they do not give a damn.

This behavior has quite an impact on handing out numbers and on committing to dates. Back in Europe I recall quite often that girls would not hand out their numbers if they werent interested, or would make it very clear that they werent going to accept a date invitation.

In the US girls would hand out their number to a monkey if the monkey could ask! The ego-boost/validation is one factor. The other appears to be that - according to a girl that is friend of mine - "It is easier to give a guy your number and then screen him, rather than just say you arent interested and create an awkward situation when he asks you".

I told her, to no avail, this "awkwardness" she alludes to stems from her dysfunctional urge to say yes, enthusiastically, to everybody, no matter the circumstances.

It is either this behavior, or the opposite side of the spectrum - the hostile aggressive bitch shield. Rarely I hear something in between.

I dont think I'll ever get used to it.

[oldnemesis]

From what I've learned from other Russians you'll get used to it in ten years or so. Doesn't sound too long considering that only after two years living here I actually started considering local girls females; before it was just someone like aliens with generated zero sexual interest.

Your summary about phone numbers seem to be correct as well. Here in US when a dude asks a girl for her number (no matter which way), it is the same as if he asked her to add him on Facebook; she can do it just for the ego boost, and it doesn't mean anything.

[CJ]

I'd go with Porn and networks like SpikeTV as the reason... the media girls are seeing these days shows a much more 'progressive' woman that is allowed to enjoy sex. Most American girls these days will at the very least feign some form of dirty talk. Honestly, I could take it or leave it. Never a sign of a keeper though, IMO, not that I'm looking for one of those.

[jariel]

Dirty talk is part of the sex, what's the problem?

The filthiest shit I've ever heard has come from Latinas.

[Moma]

(07-27-2011 03:31 PM)Oblivion77 Wrote:  

(07-25-2011 07:32 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

PS. Silence seem to be very uncomfortable for a lot of Americans.

Bingo! we have a winner!
I agree, completely. As an European in the states I noticed the same pattern. But to stress it a step further: people in the US seem often extremely eager to please everyone. Talking about girls, they tend to agree enthusiastically to any invitation, even when they do not give a damn.

This behavior has quite an impact on handing out numbers and on committing to dates. Back in Europe I recall quite often that girls would not hand out their numbers if they werent interested, or would make it very clear that they werent going to accept a date invitation.

In the US girls would hand out their number to a monkey if the monkey could ask! The ego-boost/validation is one factor. The other appears to be that - according to a girl that is friend of mine - "It is easier to give a guy your number and then screen him, rather than just say you arent interested and create an awkward situation when he asks you".

That's real talk right there! I have never accumulated so much numbers since I moved to North America and about 80 percent of them are totally meaningless. In fact since late last year, I've stopped collecting them and actually deleting them if they didn't mount up to anything.

On the other hand, if I got a number in Europe, it was more than 50 percent I was going to bang, unless I said or did something to fcuk it up.
Here, a number is as good as a yes or a no...literally.

(07-27-2011 03:31 PM)Oblivion77 Wrote:  

I dont think I'll ever get used to it.

Me neither. It reeks majorly of cowardice.

[Vitriol]

We have another thread about basically the same thing:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5162.html

I think American women talk like this because they're generally masculinized.

It does come across as being trashy and in poor taste most of the time. But what else can you expect from a nation of people who watch NASCAR and shop at Wal-mart in their free time?

Moma Wrote:

That's real talk right there! I have never accumulated so much numbers since I moved to North America and about 80 percent of them are totally meaningless. In fact since late last year, I've stopped collecting them and actually deleting them if they didn't mount up to anything.

Number closing is obsolete. If you don't bang the bitch the night you meet her, it probably isn't going to happen. Getting reduced to the texting game is a minefield with a low probability of success. I've overheard girls say they thought a guy was "creepy" because of the type of fucking punctuation he used in a text message. They're ridiculous with that crap and will find a way to use anything in a text message against you.

[Roosh]

Foreign girls are usually silent. I know it's because they're insecure with their english. Sex is a delicate time for them to speak.

That said I had a Puerto Rican girl who loved talking in both English and Spanish during sex. I used some of her lines on Colombian girls with great success.

[Tuthmosis]

(07-28-2011 07:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

That said I had a Puerto Rican girl who loved talking in both English and Spanish during sex. I used some of her lines on Colombian girls with great success.

That's some serious MacGuyver shit: using one girl's dirty sex-talk on other girls. Either that or like the Native Americans, who used every part of the animal, wasting nothing. Or, like Aikido. You get the picture.

[jariel]

I don't have an issue with the dirty talk, I have more of a problem with the fact this chick just called me and said she just left her therapist's office -- she's anxious all the time.

American bitches schedules are full of appointments with shrinks and their stomachs full of antidepressants, much more deeper than issue than what a bitch says when you're balls deep in her.

[oldnemesis]

(07-28-2011 07:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Foreign girls are usually silent. I know it's because they're insecure with their english. Sex is a delicate time for them to speak.

I doubt that English has anything with it. Been with quite a lot of Russian girls, and vast majority of them wasn't talkative in bed either.

It is more about culture. Some time ago I drove a local friend who I know quite a while, and she just wouldn't shut up for more than two minutes even when I terminate the conversation completely. Honest to god, she was talking twenty minutes non-stop just by herself! If a Russian girl did that and someone made a video and uploaded at youtube, she'd commit suicide. I really wish they had an "off" switch.

[Smitty]

I'm American and the women I've banged from here have mostly been the quiet types...because I've always chased those types. The trash talkers were mostly too comfortable -- a sign that they've been there before (in bed)...and they were all slutty. Some guys like it, some don't. I'm in the latter camp. Even if it's a one night stand, I still prefer a respectable woman with some dignity. Just the fact that my dick is in her ass is enough for me to be attracted to her...I don't need her screaming at me to stick a bottle up there too.