[Themin]

(01-23-2018 09:02 AM)Blancpain Wrote:  

One empire across 3 continents, comparing the Ottomans to Italians/Portuguese is an insult to the empire. We ruled territories bigger than Portugal with district governors, we ruled territories bigger than Italy with provincial governors

The only thing you guys have in common with us that we fought with all of you You can be proud of that.

you still descend from Romans dude

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 09:02 AM)Blancpain Wrote:  

The only thing you guys have in common with us that we fought with all of you You can be proud of that.

Who is "we"? After 1500 AD, all Ottoman Sultans had non-Turkic mothers. Lots of Albanian, Serbian, Georgian "sultanettes".

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 09:01 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Some of these arguments are so....European.

The Phoenicians were not civilized? This thread is some historical comedy.

they are renowned as a great trading population, but surely not as "civilised" as the ancient Greeks.... come on now!!! Name a few phoenician philosophers

[Blancpain]

(01-23-2018 09:07 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:02 AM)Blancpain Wrote:  

The only thing you guys have in common with us that we fought with all of you You can be proud of that.

Who is "we"? After 1500 AD, all Ottoman Sultans had non-Turkic mothers. Lots of Albanian, Serbian, Georgian "sultanettes".

I am non-turkic myself 1/2 Circassian+1/2 Armenian(not official but confirmed with genetic test)

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 09:08 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Name a few phoenician philosophers

The Phoenicians probably sailed around Africa and reached the Indian Ocean some 25 centuries before the Portuguese. More impressive than some Athenians engaging in mental masturbation.

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 09:09 AM)Blancpain Wrote:  

I am non-turkic myself 1/2 Circassian+1/2 Armenian(not official but confirmed with genetic test)

Didn't the Circassians escape to the Ottoman Empire only in the last few decades of said empire?

[Heart Break Kid]

(01-23-2018 09:08 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:01 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Some of these arguments are so....European.

The Phoenicians were not civilized? This thread is some historical comedy.

they are renowned as a great trading population, but surely not as "civilised" as the ancient Greeks.... come on now!!! Name a few phoenician philosophers

Setting up a giant trading network, innovating naval technology and colonizing Africa seems more impressive than writing poetry.

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 09:12 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:08 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Name a few phoenician philosophers

The Phoenicians probably sailed around Africa and reached the Indian Ocean some 25 centuries before the Portuguese. More impressive than some Athenians engaging in mental masturbation.

yeah right.... LOL

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 09:17 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:08 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:01 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Some of these arguments are so....European.

The Phoenicians were not civilized? This thread is some historical comedy.

they are renowned as a great trading population, but surely not as "civilised" as the ancient Greeks.... come on now!!! Name a few phoenician philosophers

Setting up a giant trading network, innovating naval technology and colonizing Africa seems more impressive than writing poetry.

colonizing? biiiiig word man.... they just set up trading posts, they never colonized Africa!!!! That's the Roman's job

[Rocha]

(01-23-2018 09:02 AM)Blancpain Wrote:  

One empire across 3 continents, comparing the Ottomans to Italians/Portuguese is an insult to the empire. We ruled territories bigger than Portugal with district governors, we ruled territories bigger than Italy with provincial governors

The only thing you guys have in common with us that we fought with all of you You can be proud of that.

Since we are dick measurimg here, I can say that the Portuguese empire was across 4 or 5 continents versus the Ottoman 3

   

[Rocha]

(01-23-2018 09:19 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:17 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:08 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:01 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Some of these arguments are so....European.

The Phoenicians were not civilized? This thread is some historical comedy.

they are renowned as a great trading population, but surely not as "civilised" as the ancient Greeks.... come on now!!! Name a few phoenician philosophers

Setting up a giant trading network, innovating naval technology and colonizing Africa seems more impressive than writing poetry.

colonizing? biiiiig word man.... they just set up trading posts, they never colonized Africa!!!! That's the Roman's job

You are learning with me Themim

[Themin]

wait till the Brits see this one with their own colonial empire....!!!!

[Rocha]

Hahahaha. Serbia had a colonial empire with the same size has the Italian)))) zero sq. KM))))

[Themin]

hooooold on now!!!! Somalia and Ethiopia!!! (probably the only 2 african countries with ZERO fucking oil whatsoever.... runs away and hides)

[Blancpain]

delete

[JohnKreese]

(01-23-2018 06:13 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 11:14 PM)lowhead360 Wrote:  

No one was disputing Serbia was conquered. What was in dispute was your original, retarded statement that Serbia didn't resist.

Russia didn't get invaded because they didn't border Turkey and they weren't outnumbered by them tenfold, like Serbia was. They did get invaded by the Mongols and were subjugated for several centuries until they kicked them out (and unlike you, I think this should be point of pride for them). Read more history son.

Anyways, seeing as you're Italian, I wouldn't expect you to understand military history and military pride. You guys literally got stomped on by a bunch of barefoot Ethiopian subsistence farmers.

Yes, I'm Italian, from Rome actually, you know. I'll tell you how special we are, not even one Muslim nation step a foot inside here and invaded us for past 2000 years

If you call Serbia "a special place" for serving as slaves for 400 years to Muslims and let Turks bang their girls for centuries, turned their kids into janissaries, I guess you need to call Italia "A magnificent country."

That's something I am proud of. A country that never obeyed Muslims throughout the history. Not serving as slaves for 400 years to Ottomans.

I guess it was/will have been a decent run

https://gefira.org/en/2018/01/18/the-inc...n-country/

Quote:

The incredibly shrinking Italian population: By 2080, Italians will be a minority in their own country

[Themin]

yeah... do you know who Gefira are?
always do your research before quoting stuff from the internet....

[Icarus]

[gework]

Alexander The Great had one of the best personal innings:

[Rocha]

I found in this documentary an excellent historical piece. Presented and starred in first person by Dr. Radovan Karadzic. All is very interesting, from the war cabinett meeting with Mladic before the Geneva convention in 1992, to Karadzic meetings with his mother, and with the Russian writer Limonov.

Around 33:00 mark, during the Siege of Sarajavo and on a mountain overlooking the city, while speaking to Limonov, Karadzic has a very interesting explanation regarding the previous discussion here about Serbs being slaves of Muslims. So while pointing to Sarajevo he says that it was Serb land until the muslims came. The Serbs who stayed there became muslims (the Bosniaks), and the ones who did not wanted to submit their faith escaped to the mountains.

[Dragan]

(01-23-2018 09:34 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

I found in this documentary an excellent historical piece. Presented and starred in first person by Dr. Radovan Karadzic. All is very interesting, from the war cabinett meeting with Mladic before the Geneva convention in 1992, to Karadzic meetings with his mother, and with the Russian writer Limonov.

Around 33:00 mark, during the Siege of Sarajavo and on a mountain overlooking the city, while speaking to Limonov, Karadzic has a very interesting explanation regarding the previous discussion here about Serbs being slaves of Muslims. So while pointing to Sarajevo he says that it was Serb land until the muslims came. The Serbs who stayed there became muslims (the Bosniaks), and the ones who did not wanted to submit their faith escaped to the mountains.

If this is the doc i think it is, Limonov shoots at Sarajevo with a MG and Karadzic at his side, right? Also funny, because Limonov has the connection to the Exile...

[sterling_archer]

(01-23-2018 09:34 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

So while pointing to Sarajevo he says that it was Serb land until the muslims came. The Serbs who stayed there became muslims (the Bosniaks), and the ones who did not wanted to submit their faith escaped to the mountains.

Bosniaks before Ottoman invasion in 15th century were Croats and Serbs, not just Serbs. The reason Karađić says "Serb land" is because he was a radical. Croats = Serbs and Bosniaks = Serbs were main ideas fueling plans for reincarnating Greater Serbia during 90s, i.e. wherever Serbs live is Serbia. Western border was supposed to be through Croatian cities of Virovitica, Karlovac and Karlobag.

Regarding Bosnian nobility, interestingly, ruling dynasty of pre Ottoman times, house Kotromanić, is even now said to have almost obscure ancestry. Some suppose they are German in origin, others see ancestry from Hungary. During their ruling they had numerous titles including King of Croatia, King of Serbia and King of Bosnia. They intermarried with European mobility.

[Rossi]

(01-23-2018 07:34 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Rome isn't in Sicily, is it? he's talking about Rome, is he not?

He thinks Rome is in Sicilia

Before going into history, he needs to take some geography classes for sure. NYU have some great history courses, I've graduated from there and took some excellent history classes there. Highly recommended to Icarus.

[Icarus]

(01-24-2018 06:19 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:34 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Rome isn't in Sicily, is it? he's talking about Rome, is he not?

He thinks Rome is in Sicilia

Before going into history, he needs to take some geography classes for sure. NYU have some great history courses, I've graduated from there and took some excellent history classes there. Highly recommended to Icarus.

Unfortunately for you, there is a record of what you wrote:

(01-23-2018 06:13 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

Yes, I'm Italian, from Rome actually, you know. I'll tell you how special we are, not even one Muslim nation step a foot inside here and invaded us for past 2000 years

If you call Serbia "a special place" for serving as slaves for 400 years to Muslims and let Turks bang their girls for centuries, turned their kids into janissaries, I guess you need to call Italia "A magnificent country."

That's something I am proud of. A country that never obeyed Muslims throughout the history. Not serving as slaves for 400 years to Ottomans.

So, again, is Sicily not in Italy? Is Bari not in Italy? Or is Rome a country now?

[Heart Break Kid]

(01-24-2018 07:16 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 06:19 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:34 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Rome isn't in Sicily, is it? he's talking about Rome, is he not?

He thinks Rome is in Sicilia

Before going into history, he needs to take some geography classes for sure. NYU have some great history courses, I've graduated from there and took some excellent history classes there. Highly recommended to Icarus.

Unfortunately for you, there is a record of what you wrote:

(01-23-2018 06:13 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

Yes, I'm Italian, from Rome actually, you know. I'll tell you how special we are, not even one Muslim nation step a foot inside here and invaded us for past 2000 years

If you call Serbia "a special place" for serving as slaves for 400 years to Muslims and let Turks bang their girls for centuries, turned their kids into janissaries, I guess you need to call Italia "A magnificent country."

That's something I am proud of. A country that never obeyed Muslims throughout the history. Not serving as slaves for 400 years to Ottomans.

So, again, is Sicily not in Italy? Is Bari not in Italy? Or is Rome a country now?

Eh...the argument with Sicily seems a little wishy-washy to me.

Sicily is not really "in" Italy, it is part of the country the same way Northern Ireland isn't "in" Britain but is part of the U.K.

That in itself shouldn't mean anything, but you are talking about hundreds of years before Italy as a nation was even a "thing". So saying that Italians got their ass whooped by citing that the Sicilian Kingdom was conquered doesn't quite add up. Sicily was independent, and Italian nationalism didn't exist then.

Nationalism in Italy is very different from Serbia. I am not sure if saying Muslims conquered Sicily really means anything in this context. I suppose if we wanted to be anal we could say mainland Italy was not conquered by Muslims.


I think the point about Bari is a bit better argument.