[Themin]

Rome isn't in Sicily, is it? he's talking about Rome, is he not?

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 07:34 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Rome isn't in Sicily, is it? he's talking about Rome, is he not?

Then why did he write " A country that never obeyed Muslims throughout the history"?

Country? Italy is not even 160 years old!

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 07:42 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Country? Italy is not even 160 years old!

well... serbia as it is today, is what, not even 30 years old?

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 07:52 AM)Themin Wrote:  

well... serbia as it is today, is what, not even 30 years old?

True. However, balkanization and unification are opposites.

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 07:56 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:52 AM)Themin Wrote:  

well... serbia as it is today, is what, not even 30 years old?

True. However, balkanization and unification are opposites.

indeed, but it's also true Romans conquered Serbia in the 2nd century BC...!
they may have been super fierce warriors, and whatever but they have been land of conquest from many of their neighbours and not so close countries since the dawn of history....
another snippet from Wikipedia is also interesting
Seventeen Roman Emperors were born in present-day Serbia. Belgrade is believed to have been torn by 140 wars since Roman times.

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 07:59 AM)Themin Wrote:  

indeed, but it's also true Romans conquered Serbia in the 2nd century BC...!

No, they conquered Illyria. The Slavic Serbs were elsewhere at that time.

[Themin]

The Romans conquered parts of Serbia in the 2nd century BC, in 167 BC when conquering the West, establishing the province of Illyricum and the rest of Central Serbia in 75 BC, establishing the province of Moesia. Srem was conquered by 9 BC and Bačka and Banat in 106 AD after the Trajan's Dacian Wars.

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 08:07 AM)Themin Wrote:  

The Romans conquered parts of Serbia in the 2nd century BC, in 167 BC when conquering the West

It wasn't Serbia yet. In 560 AD:

[Themin]

tell it to wikipedia dude, i'm copy/pasting

what I initially wrote is totally valid though....
they may have been super fierce warriors, and whatever but they have been land of conquest from many of their neighbours and not so close countries since the dawn of history....

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 08:11 AM)Themin Wrote:  

they may have been super fierce warriors, and whatever but they have been land of conquest from many of their neighbours and not so close countries since the dawn of history

Like every other country in Europe other than agriculturally poor Scandinavia.

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 08:13 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:11 AM)Themin Wrote:  

they may have been super fierce warriors, and whatever but they have been land of conquest from many of their neighbours and not so close countries since the dawn of history

Like every other country in Europe other than agriculturally poor Scandinavia.

wellllllll the Romans outlasted all other other empires and were conquerers and not land of conquest.....

"The Roman Empire is considered to have been the most enduring in history. The formal start date of the empire remains the subject of debate, but most historians agree that the clock began ticking in 27 BC, when the Roman politician Octavian overthrew the Roman Republic to become Emperor Augustus. Although Rome later fell to the Germanic “Barbarians” in AD 476, the ensuing “Eastern Empire” based at Constantinople is widely regarded as a continuation of the original Roman one. It wasn’t until the fall of the city in AD 1453 that the curtain finally came down on the empire, ending a period of dominance across Europe and beyond that had lasted for almost 1,500 years."

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 08:19 AM)Themin Wrote:  

wellllllll the Romans outlasted all other other empires and were conquerers and not land of conquest

Yes, but the Roman Empire ended some 15 centuries ago. Since then, the Italian Peninsula was dominated by Lombards, Ostrogoths, Byzantines, Aragonese, etc.

The Eastern "Roman" Empire was so hardcore Roman that it spoke a form of Greek for its last 9 centuries of history.

Even before the Roman Empire, the Italian Peninsula had been land of conquest. Ever heard of Magna Graecia? Neapolis (AKA: Napule, Napoli) is not a Latin name, is it?

And Sicily was conquered by the Arabs, (Greek-speaking) Byzantines and (Frankish-speaking) Normans.

[Themin]

look, however you want to try and spin it, italy in its history has been less of a land of conquest than Serbia and the Balkans, fact.
Greece was of course the very first mediterranean civilization but did not outlast Rome.

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 08:40 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Greece was of course the very first mediterranean civilization but did not outlast Rome.

Was it? What about the Phoenicians?

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 08:42 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:40 AM)Themin Wrote:  

Greece was of course the very first mediterranean civilization but did not outlast Rome.

Was it? What about the Phoenicians?

not really civilised as Ancient Greece... good trading people though!

[Rocha]

(01-23-2018 05:31 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 07:54 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 07:05 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:33 PM)lowhead360 Wrote:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Se..._conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Serb_rebellions

Read up son.

The Serbs were conquered sure, but saying they didn't resist is just plain wrong. Same goes for the other Balkan states that were conquered by the Turks.

I did read it. I just found out that they were actually slaves for Turks more than I said. It wasn't 300 years, it's more like 400 years.

I'd rather show appreciation towards Russians, since they never got invaded by Turks and never served as slaves.

If someone comes to my house, made me slave for 30 years in my own house and then I eventually kicked him out 30 years later, that wouldn't be something I would proud of.

While in Italy after the fall of the West Roman empire, only Venice managed to be a respected power/state. Even after the unification, every conflict in which Italy participated they ended up being the world laughingstock.

yeah right... did you forget WW1? I think the Austrian-hungarian Empire would beg to differ... have you ever been to any of the battlefield in the Alps?
Portugal on the other hand, they were always such a powerful nation...

You make me laugh)) Portugal was never powerful, that is why Portuguese language is spoken in all continents, and is the 5th or 6th language in the world by native speakers...I think Italian is only spoken in Italy...

And by the way, there was no other nation/empire with a better track record against the Ottomans as Portugal.

Not sure if you are Turk or Italian, but regarding military history, none of you have something to brag about versus our tiny little nation.

[Themin]

ooooh come on now, you're boasting about a few portuguese traders and ship captains looting and destroying south american civiisations... you're all our descendants anyway (Romans)
Just accept the inferiority and you'll all live better lives!!!!!

[Rocha]

Hahahahaha)) That is why the Pope was always asking the Portuguese and Spanish Kings to save your asses in the Mediterranean)))

[Icarus]

(01-23-2018 08:50 AM)Themin Wrote:  

you're boasting about a few portuguese traders and ship captains looting and destroying south american civiisations...

No. Siege of Diu (1538)

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 08:54 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Hahahahaha)) That is why the Pope was always asking the Portuguese and Spanish Kings to save your asses in the Mediterranean)))

you said it all, the fucking Pope!!!!

[Rocha]

(01-23-2018 08:56 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:54 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Hahahahaha)) That is why the Pope was always asking the Portuguese and Spanish Kings to save your asses in the Mediterranean)))

you said it all, the fucking Pope!!!!

He is still in Rome right??

[Themin]

(01-23-2018 08:55 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:50 AM)Themin Wrote:  

you're boasting about a few portuguese traders and ship captains looting and destroying south american civiisations...

No. Siege of Diu (1538)

well yes of course, they also sailed east! But I don't think they managed to fuck shit up as much as in South America

[Heart Break Kid]

Some of these arguments are so....European.

The Phoenicians were not civilized? This thread is some historical comedy.

[Rocha]

(01-23-2018 08:58 AM)Themin Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:55 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:50 AM)Themin Wrote:  

you're boasting about a few portuguese traders and ship captains looting and destroying south american civiisations...

No. Siege of Diu (1538)

well yes of course, they also sailed east! But I don't think they managed to fuck shit up as much as in South America

We got there first))))

[Blancpain]

One empire across 3 continents, comparing the Ottomans to Italians/Portuguese is an insult to the empire. We ruled territories bigger than Portugal with district governors, we ruled territories bigger than Italy with provincial governors

The only thing you guys have in common with us that we fought with all of you You can be proud of that.