[Excelsior]

So for a black male in the USA looking to date non-black women(particularly white ones), here are the keys(they can be applied all at once or in any other combination, but they all help):

1. Assimilate. This is the key to getting by the stereotypical fetishists who will just date any black guy (and usually aren't that attractive or of particularly high quality) and hit higher quality non-black women. Once you are in their social circle, they open up more and get more comfortable seeing you as an actual prospect. Social circle game is your best friend-you need the time it gives you to overcome the negative/intimidating perception associated with your ethnicity.
Shifting your appearance helps too (cut the dreads, less urban clothing, etc).

2. Get rich.

3. Find another status trigger. Sports (I'm not talking pro, HS and college work fine in many cases) seem to be a very common one in my experience. Assanova/RealMadeMen is a big proponent of just maxing out your own physical appearance (extremely well dressed, well maintained appearance at all times) and that can help a lot too.

4. Check your location. Judging from the reports we've gotten from MiXX and others, parts of the Midwest might be more favorable to you than other areas. Location makes a difference.

Otherwise, leave the country. Winnipeg may be a good start.

[Screwston]

athlone - that's how it is for any minority that wants to bang high quality white girls. I don't believe there's any way to work around it.

[Excelsior]

(08-13-2011 10:24 PM)houston Wrote:  

athlone - that's how it is for any minority that wants to bang high quality white girls. I don't believe there's any way to work around it.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Jason Zee]

(08-13-2011 06:42 PM)houston Wrote:  

The only black guys I've ever known who pulled bad white hoes were either oreo's (the only black guy in their group) or the guys who fuck with the white girls that will fuck ANY black guy. I could say black guys with money but that goes with every guy out there with bread.

I tend to agree with you Houston. I have never really seen a Black guy with a hot chick unless she was a black woman or a biracial black woman. I suspect that cultural and socioeconomic differences is whats keeping higher quality white women from dating black guys. Most women tend to prefer to date and marry their own while most guys are willing to experiment with different races of women as long as she’s hot.

[rudebwoy]

(08-13-2011 03:17 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

I was def not ref to any athletes, celebs, or entertainers, or wealthy bruthas. As those can pull fine snow bunnys all day.

Most black guys I know just dont adapt their look. Gotta be able to appeal to the target audience.

Black guys would do better if they changed their wardrobe, and learned how to do their hair.

Black guys wanting to pull white chicks lose the dreads and the nappy ass hair. Get clean short trimmed hair cuts. Also the shaved head looks well on bruthas.

And lose the slang lol

This is your opinion and does not hold much weight since you are not a woman. Alot of guys get caught in the mindset that guy A should get with girl A simply b/c he has a certain look, money etc.
I do not wear dreads or like the look, but I know guys with them that do very well and swear by them.
I myself tend to prefer a clean cut look but quite honestly, I get more looks when I look a little rough.
Again I did not grow up in the USA, so my mindset has not been tarnished. I have actually lost women by coming across too clean, educated and polished. The "carlton" look simply does not work anymore, I prefer a refined bad boy look. No I won't be caught dead in anything marked phat farm, emyce, rocawear. (you get the drift)
I will agree that black men and men in general must change there look depending on there environment. Roosh I believe discussed this about dressing down in Poland as opposed to other countries.

[Dash Global]

(08-14-2011 12:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(08-13-2011 03:17 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

I was def not ref to any athletes, celebs, or entertainers, or wealthy bruthas. As those can pull fine snow bunnys all day.

Most black guys I know just dont adapt their look. Gotta be able to appeal to the target audience.

Black guys would do better if they changed their wardrobe, and learned how to do their hair.

Black guys wanting to pull white chicks lose the dreads and the nappy ass hair. Get clean short trimmed hair cuts. Also the shaved head looks well on bruthas.

And lose the slang lol

This is your opinion and does not hold much weight since you are not a woman. Alot of guys get caught in the mindset that guy A should get with girl A simply b/c he has a certain look, money etc.
I do not wear dreads or like the look, but I know guys with them that do very well and swear by them.
I myself tend to prefer a clean cut look but quite honestly, I get more looks when I look a little rough.
Again I did not grow up in the USA, so my mindset has not been tarnished. I have actually lost women by coming across too clean, educated and polished. The "carlton" look simply does not work anymore, I prefer a refined bad boy look. No I won't be caught dead in anything marked phat farm, emyce, rocawear. (you get the drift)
I will agree that black men and men in general must change there look depending on there environment. Roosh I believe discussed this about dressing down in Poland as opposed to other countries.

Adaptation is key.

I can tell you right now, black guy wit dreads will strike out 95% of the time in the US with white grls that are not urban, well atleast in NC. You need to atleast be in the middle as far as dress and look is concerned.

Stereotypes exists. They are apart of life. Gotta recognize and adjust.

You think I wear a polo button down and dockers when I go to a urban club? Fuck no jaja

I bring that out when I am in the south frat college towns

[jariel]

If you haven't rocked dreads, braids, etc. then spare us the you have no shot with blah blah because of your hairstyle.

For several years on and off, I rocked those hairstyles and I was -- and still am -- swimming in all kinds of pussy. I kept my styles fresh with a tight tape every 2 weeks, and girls were constantly complimenting me about it and asking who did it, could they touch it, etc.

A lot of dudes here are talking some "Meet the Parents" shit, do your thing, I'm perfectly happy with late night love, as I don't care at this point to be caught up in relationships and living by societal rules as they pertain to those relationships -- the rules for late night love are much more lax.

All that assimilation shit is whatever. You can earn your Ivy League degree, you're still Black, you can drive a coupe, you're still Black, you can have a nice place in a predominately white neighborhood, you're still Black, you can be whatever high status profession you want to be, and you're still Black, and American society will never let you forget that, some of you are delusional if you think otherwise.

[jariel]

(08-14-2011 12:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This is your opinion and does not hold much weight since you are not a woman. Alot of guys get caught in the mindset that guy A should get with girl A simply b/c he has a certain look, money etc.

This is real talk. If dudes were more concerned with what makes this girl want to fuck me as opposed to what makes this girl want to introduce me to Nana, they wouldn't be speaking on this shit the way they are.

I see a lot of "you can't do this", "it has to be like this" shit here and I can't relate to it because that's not the life I've led.

I'll admit -- and I'm sure Mixx can speak on it as well -- being a Blatino in Miami is not ideal because the latinos here, unlike NYC where I was raised, are very racist and the city itself is incredibly segregated. Most bitches like Claudia Sampedro and Yvette Prieto don't fuck with regular "niggas", but they don't see black if it's Reggie Bush or Michael Jordan getting at them.

However, I've still managed to fuck everything under the sun here. I'lll likely never even meet some of these chicks friends, but I don't care about relationships because to me most of the women here aren't really relationship material, so I'll settle for the bomb ass pussy and let others deal with the headaches.

[jariel]

(08-13-2011 11:47 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

I tend to agree with you Houston. I have never really seen a Black guy with a hot chick unless she was a black woman or a biracial black woman. I suspect that cultural and socioeconomic differences is whats keeping higher quality white women from dating black guys. Most women tend to prefer to date and marry their own while most guys are willing to experiment with different races of women as long as she’s hot.

What you see and what people actually live are two different things.

I played ball at "The U", some of the finest white dimes on campus -- usually from NY, NJ, and CA -- we're having trains ran on them by football players after a night out at Sandbar or Moe's.

The 7th Floor Crew shit was real, and the funny thing about that was a lot of dudes, not just ballplayers, were experiencing that shit.

Again, I can only speak on what I've lived, and I'm unable to co-sign those who make broad generalizations based off what they see in wide open society, while being willfully ignorant to what goes on at 3:00 in the morning.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(08-14-2011 01:29 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 12:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(08-13-2011 03:17 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

I was def not ref to any athletes, celebs, or entertainers, or wealthy bruthas. As those can pull fine snow bunnys all day.

Most black guys I know just dont adapt their look. Gotta be able to appeal to the target audience.

Black guys would do better if they changed their wardrobe, and learned how to do their hair.

Black guys wanting to pull white chicks lose the dreads and the nappy ass hair. Get clean short trimmed hair cuts. Also the shaved head looks well on bruthas.

And lose the slang lol

This is your opinion and does not hold much weight since you are not a woman. Alot of guys get caught in the mindset that guy A should get with girl A simply b/c he has a certain look, money etc.
I do not wear dreads or like the look, but I know guys with them that do very well and swear by them.
I myself tend to prefer a clean cut look but quite honestly, I get more looks when I look a little rough.
Again I did not grow up in the USA, so my mindset has not been tarnished. I have actually lost women by coming across too clean, educated and polished. The "carlton" look simply does not work anymore, I prefer a refined bad boy look. No I won't be caught dead in anything marked phat farm, emyce, rocawear. (you get the drift)
I will agree that black men and men in general must change there look depending on there environment. Roosh I believe discussed this about dressing down in Poland as opposed to other countries.

Adaptation is key.

I can tell you right now, black guy wit dreads will strike out 95% of the time in the US with white grls that are not urban, well atleast in NC. You need to atleast be in the middle as far as dress and look is concerned.

Stereotypes exists. They are apart of life. Gotta recognize and adjust.

You think I wear a polo button down and dockers when I go to a urban club? Fuck no jaja

I bring that out when I am in the south frat college towns

Interesting, I have actually have seen the complete opposite. When I was younger I actually wanted to have dreads because every guy who had them had a stable full of top notch snowflakes on rotation. I find that White women looooooove dreads now corn rows is a different story.

I have no clue as to what 95% of White girls like but I have been around long enough to confidently say that I have seen it all at least when it comes to interracial dating/fucking(I have no clue about LTR and marriage). I have seen all different types of Brodas do well with cute to fine(6-10 range) White chicks(Oreo's,coons,Thugs, Back to Africa crowd, soul Brothers, etc) and have seen the same types fail miserably. There's no rhyme or reason for it. However, I do know what works for me and I haven't fucked a fat White girl since 3rdBass dropped the "Cactus" album.

I won't front and brag that I am some type of Mandingo Warrior with a 10 inch cock and I am banging super model quality White chicks in the 9-10 range all the time, shiiiiit I am not ashamed of admitting that I don't think I have ever banged 9-10 of any race. But I do get more than my fair share of snow bunnies 5,6,7's and the occasional 8 which at least to me is good enough. The funny thing is that I am really more attracted to Black women and don't go out of my way to get that Snow. Nevertheless, if cute White chick is going to give it up without much work, I gotta "get in where I can fit in" ... Over and over, the 3 main complains I hear Becky's make about Broda's are Thirstyness, Thristyness and thyrstyness. I cringe every time I hear a young buck tell a White girl on the subway "So Ma, do you like Black guys?" In other words, just don't be thirsty.

[UrbanNerd]

I am just going to say that as a black man, I don't equate "high quality" of a chick to her being white or non-black or non-American.

[rudebwoy]

(08-14-2011 04:16 AM)jariel Wrote:  

If you haven't rocked dreads, braids, etc. then spare us the you have no shot with blah blah because of your hairstyle.

For several years on and off, I rocked those hairstyles and I was -- and still am -- swimming in all kinds of pussy. I kept my styles fresh with a tight tape every 2 weeks, and girls were constantly complimenting me about it and asking who did it, could they touch it, etc.

A lot of dudes here are talking some "Meet the Parents" shit, do your thing, I'm perfectly happy with late night love, as I don't care at this point to be caught up in relationships and living by societal rules as they pertain to those relationships -- the rules for late night love are much more lax.

All that assimilation shit is whatever. You can earn your Ivy League degree, you're still Black, you can drive a coupe, you're still Black, you can have a nice place in a predominately white neighborhood, you're still Black, you can be whatever high status profession you want to be, and you're still Black, and American society will never let you forget that, some of you are delusional if you think otherwise.

Nicely said Jariel!

I have seen women in general "open" brothers with dreads and of course wanting to touch them. If done right and kept clean it is a good look for those that can pull it off. I always wanted them from when I saw Yannick Noah rock them back in the 80's (french tennis player for you younger cats). Corn-rows is a played out girlie look.

Thirstyness and being too aggressive is killing alot of brothers when it comes to getting pussy. As a man and a black man especially you can never seem to interested in the girl you are trying to get with.

[Screwston]

I'm getting tired of trying to break into the white girl world. I've been trying for a couple of months now. Kind of messed with my head because I'm good with hispanic and black girls. Shit, I've always done great with my brown and black lizards but upper but top notch barbie dolls are foreign to me. Just doesn't seem worth it anymore.

[Dash Global]

(08-14-2011 04:46 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(08-13-2011 11:47 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

I tend to agree with you Houston. I have never really seen a Black guy with a hot chick unless she was a black woman or a biracial black woman. I suspect that cultural and socioeconomic differences is whats keeping higher quality white women from dating black guys. Most women tend to prefer to date and marry their own while most guys are willing to experiment with different races of women as long as she’s hot.

What you see and what people actually live are two different things.

I played ball at "The U", some of the finest white dimes on campus -- usually from NY, NJ, and CA -- we're having trains ran on them by football players after a night out at Sandbar or Moe's.

The 7th Floor Crew shit was real, and the funny thing about that was a lot of dudes, not just ballplayers, were experiencing that shit.

Again, I can only speak on what I've lived, and I'm unable to co-sign those who make broad generalizations based off what they see in wide open society, while being willfully ignorant to what goes on at 3:00 in the morning.

I thought we already established athletes, celebs, rappers, and rich ppl do not apply.....

[jariel]

(08-14-2011 12:07 PM)houston Wrote:  

I'm getting tired of trying to break into the white girl world. I've been trying for a couple of months now. Kind of messed with my head because I'm good with hispanic and black girls. Shit, I've always done great with my brown and black lizards but upper but top notch barbie dolls are foreign to me. Just doesn't seem worth it anymore.

A good start would be to stop pedastalizing them.

Aren't you Latin?

[speakeasy]

I was a dreadhead back in the day. I first started twisting up my locks in 10th grade which was about 92. Then cut them off in 93, then grew them back again and wore them until 2003. When I cut them they were past my shoulders. My dreads brought a shitload of attention from girls, especially white. What made mine cool is that they were the real neat, clean, well-maintained type of dreads. Back then not that many people had them so it was like peacocking and girls always wanted to come and touch them or ask how I did them. But I was ultra beta back then and even when girls showered me with attention and wanted to touch my hair, I had no ability to capitalize on it and escalate. I'd just smile like a jackass and say "thank you" and that was it.

I don't know if dreads would get the same attention anymore since so many people have had them since. The novelty has worn off. And now I even see thuggish looking dudes wearing them. 20 years ago, the only people with them were either rastas, afrocentrics or the roots hiphop brothas that listened to Tribe Called Quest and Black Sheep.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(08-14-2011 01:58 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I don't know if dreads would get the same attention anymore since so many people have had them since. The novelty has worn off. And now I even see thuggish looking dudes wearing them. 20 years ago, the only people with them were either rastas, afrocentrics or the roots hiphop brothas that listened to Tribe Called Quest and Black Sheep.

Dreads are kinda back in vogue, the problem with this other than more competition is that every time the local news has a report about a brotha doing some dump shit 9/10 times the mug shot shows them rocking dreads.They going to ruin a cool ass hair style just like Hitler messed up that mustache.

[UrbanNerd]

(08-14-2011 01:24 PM)jariel Wrote:  

A good start would be to stop pedastalizing them.

+1

[speakeasy]

(08-14-2011 02:21 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

... just like Hitler messed up that mustache.

[Screwston]

(08-14-2011 01:24 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 12:07 PM)houston Wrote:  

I'm getting tired of trying to break into the white girl world. I've been trying for a couple of months now. Kind of messed with my head because I'm good with hispanic and black girls. Shit, I've always done great with my brown and black lizards but upper but top notch barbie dolls are foreign to me. Just doesn't seem worth it anymore.

A good start would be to stop pedastalizing them.

Aren't you Latin?

Yeah I'm brown like charlie. I feel you but I just wanted to add some to my team.

[Jason Zee]

Although I’m a white guy I see nothing wrong with Black guys dating white women. I think everyone gets all crazy when they see a black guy/white girl relationship because of their insecurities. There is always going to be some mixing. Shit I love asian chicks/latinas and some black chicks. Not all black guys date fat white women of course there are some that do but there are a lot that don’t. I personally haven’t seen many black guys with high quality white chicks but it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.

[Dash Global]

(08-15-2011 11:30 AM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

Although I’m a white guy I see nothing wrong with Black guys dating white women. I think everyone gets all crazy when they see a black guy/white girl relationship because of their insecurities. There is always going to be some mixing. Shit I love asian chicks/latinas and some black chicks. Not all black guys date fat white women of course there are some that do but there are a lot that don’t. I personally haven’t seen many black guys with high quality white chicks but it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.

There is always exceptions to the rules.

Generally speaking, most people are discussing the norms.....

[speakeasy]

(08-14-2011 12:07 PM)houston Wrote:  

I'm getting tired of trying to break into the white girl world. I've been trying for a couple of months now. Kind of messed with my head because I'm good with hispanic and black girls. Shit, I've always done great with my brown and black lizards but upper but top notch barbie dolls are foreign to me. Just doesn't seem worth it anymore.

Like the other dude said, gotta stop pedestalizing them. I think if you want to have an easier time with white chics, you have to be somewhere that whiteness isn't that highly valued, and that would most likely be in places where they are normally only surrounded by their own kind. It also has to have a generally tolerant culture or else you end up with a place like Russia or rural Texas where blacks get dragged behind trucks. In any racially diverse society that includes whites and non-whites like the USA, Brazil, Colombia, etc, whiteness(or at least lightness of skin color) always get highly valued and treated like a prize. Don't know if this is entirely socio-economic in nature of if it's biological. But the more non-whites, the greater whiteness becomes valued and the more endogamous those white chics become. I'm guessing the toughest place in the world for a black guy to game a white girl is in a place like S. Africa or Nambia where there's a small population of whites surrounded by a sea of non-whites. These chics KNOW they are highly valued by both white men and non-white men. They know it every time they walk down the street in see a decent looking black guy with a fat ass white woman when he could've easily got at least a decent looking black chic. If places like Sweden and Germany ever approach the racial demographics of Brazil or the USA, you can kiss those places goodbye as good places for black guys to game. France is probably close to the tipping point.

[Screwston]

Speakeasy - you're saying just go to majority white venues? BTW I'm not black but I think everything covers any minority trying to bang white broads.

[speakeasy]

(08-15-2011 05:33 PM)houston Wrote:  

Speakeasy - you're saying just go to majority white venues?

What I meant more or less is that you'll probably do better in a whiter environment where there isn't so much relative social value assigned to whiteness(due to the fact that there are few others to compare to) and you might be seen as exotic. And it also has to have a tolerant culture, not a straight up redneck place where they want to lynch people. I'm guessing that's why Mixx had it so easy up in Winnepeg and N.Dakota. He'd have a hell of a lot harder time pulling white chics in Brazil or the minority of European looking girls in Peru than he would in Canada. I'd bet a place like Portland or Seattle would be good for a Latino guy too if he's looking for snow bunnies.