[The Beast1]

(09-06-2016 10:17 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 07:48 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

No shit sherlock, you think i didn't realize that?

Forgot number 6: hire paramilitary protection

Pretty aggressive response considering it sounds like the answer to your original question "if you want to fly to Venezuela" is unequivocally "don't" not "follow this list/expect to get robbed."

That's not good advice for the forum, which is why you were called out. Don't attack a forum member for stating that the advice you gave could get you killed, that's disingenuous towards everything the forum is about. A country imploding/in a revolution is not a country you should joke about forum members traveling to.

My bad! I'll use sarcasm tags next time if it isn't obvious like flying to an imploding 3rd world country. Sarcasm is lost in text.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I took Beast's original post as being deliberately over the top as a form of humor. I know a lot of guys who joke like this, and I do it too. However, it is extremely common for people to miss this kind of humor and assume that the attempted joke was straight up serious.

[Cattle Rustler]

Those folks look pretty brown, not white.

[Bravo Zulu]

Above is a 97 second video illustrating the situation with President Nicholas Maduro of Venezuela as it is collapsing into a failed-state.

The video was promoted through Braulio Jatar Alonso (originally a Chilean national) who is the director of Reporte Confidencial (http://reporteconfidencial.info/) and he was taken in stealth by SEBIN; a branch of the Venezuelan national intelligence and investigative security, and was confirmed to be in custody by SEBIN “por la seguridad y estado de salud” the next day after inquiries from his son (of the same name) who is an attorney. Currently he is being indicted on money laundering charges for allegedly having $25,000 USD in his car (from which he was abducted on his way to work the morning after the original video was posted) and has concurrently been charged with sponsorship of actions against the NAM Summit.

Maduro is on the Island before the XVII Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) which is a meeting of 120 non-aligned nations where Venezuela will take over the presidency.

Although Nueva Esparta is largely opposition, Maduro was in a pro-government area known as Villa Rosa giving a national televised and radio speech (cadena) where he and the governor, Carlos Mata Figueroa, were previously pontificating about how a section of 148 government houses were recently painted and re-roofed. The area is the second largest on the Island with almost 38,000 residents and is second only to Porlamar with slightly over 82,000 residents. The president decided to exit the motorcade to walk with people. At the 11 second mark of this video, Maduro can be seen in front on the center left wearing the long green shirt and black pants as he jogs for a few seconds to the center of the frame and then walks again.

The governor of Nueva Esparta was a former defense minister under Chavez who was attacked moments before Maduro. Another assailant was trying to throw tomatoes at the president. Most of the action happens between the 25 second and 40 second marks. Eventually Maduro´s Cuban bodyguards got to him.

The banging of the pots and pans (cacerolazo) in the background is a traditional Venezuelan sign of protest. The number of individuals arrested/detained thus far is 40 and the count is increasing from the original 2, then 20, then 30.

There are highly skilled contract security specialists participating on the staffs of ranking members of various delegations at NAM; the host country could benefit from such experience against the onslaught of tomatoes.

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The only easy day was yesterday.

[Going strong]

(09-07-2016 10:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Those folks look pretty brown, not white.

By "White latino", I refer to all South American people having a good amount of European (or middle-Eastern) blood, plus usually some (native, much respect) "Indigenous" blood. As opposed to people with Caribbean (African-descent) blood, whose culture is very specific.

By the way, this (mainly ethnic but also political) divide is about to send Brazil into (more) chaos... from what I am hearing, as we speak, "Black Blocks" (BLM-like thugs) are rioting in Brazil against "evil White-latino conservative men", accused of ousting their beloved master-thief Dilma, and especially rioting against center-right Lebanese and new Brazilian leader, Michel Temer.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

(09-07-2016 11:45 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 10:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Those folks look pretty brown, not white.

By "White latino", I refer to all South American people having a good amount of European (or middle-Eastern) blood, plus usually some (native, much respect) "Indigenous" blood. As opposed to people with Caribbean (African-descent) blood, whose culture is very specific.

In military school and college, there were students from South and Central America.... children of the elites of those nations. Most of them were as white as I am. I am so white I don't tan when put into direct sunlight.. I go up in flames like a vampire.

[Going strong]

(09-07-2016 12:00 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 11:45 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 10:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Those folks look pretty brown, not white.

By "White latino", I refer to all South American people having a good amount of European (or middle-Eastern) blood, plus usually some (native, much respect) "Indigenous" blood. As opposed to people with Caribbean (African-descent) blood, whose culture is very specific.

In military school and college, there were students from South and Central America.... children of the elites of those nations. Most of them were as white as I am. I am so white I don't tan when put into direct sunlight.. I go up in flames like a vampire.

Dracula, literally!

[Latinopan]

(09-07-2016 01:44 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 01:23 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 11:06 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 10:31 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

Some more tidbits.

My Venezuelan friends tell me that now if you fly there commercial most of the luggage gets robbed between the plane landing and the baggage claim.

If you are not robbed inside the airport personally you might get robbed or robbed and killed in an ambush on the highway from the airport.

If you are traveling in other countries in South America you see ads on tv for a hotel in Caracas that is advertising armored doors on each room.

One of my friends was robbed by police and was likely saved because hotel security drew guns on the police and ordered them to leave.

Have a nice trip.

Amazing. Venezuela was one of the richest countries in S America in the 80's. 30 years later its as if the Romans abandoned the British Isles. To my understanding there are plenty of areas in Caracas you don't walk down during the day or you will get killed.

Lots of Venezuelans have been moving to Dominican republic in the last years, lots of them TV and models, we have many people on TV right now from Venezuela, also lots of middle class Venezuelans smart enough to move before shit got rally bad.

This considering that DR is part of a island next to the poorest country on the West, is tiny compared to Venezuela and DR does not even have oil.

Just to mention some.

Daniel Sarcos, big guy in Latin America, ran a show for years in Venezuela.

Here he getting his Dominican citizenship




Ana Carmen Leon, model TV host, radio host, moved to DR in 2011



A news segment about the migration Venezuelans to DR, is in Spanish.

This is the type of immigration you want in your country, people who are going to ADD the the host country, these people must be very happy they do not have to deal with the current situation back home.

Many are also migration to Colombia crossing the border.

White (Latino) Flight. Will be one of the most significant trends of the century, all over Latin America (except southern parts)...

(09-07-2016 11:45 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 10:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Those folks look pretty brown, not white.

By "White latino", I refer to all South American people having a good amount of European (or middle-Eastern) blood, plus usually some (native, much respect) "Indigenous" blood. As opposed to people with Caribbean (African-descent) blood, whose culture is very specific.

By the way, this (mainly ethnic but also political) divide is about to send Brazil into (more) chaos... from what I am hearing, as we speak, "Black Blocks" (BLM-like thugs) are rioting in Brazil against "evil White-latino conservative men", accused of ousting their beloved master-thief Dilma, and especially rioting against center-right Lebanese and new Brazilian leader, Michel Temer.

DR has the advantage of being an island, the Venezuelans migrating there would need to be middle class or at least have some money to pay for the plane ticket. However Colombia would have to deal with the poor Venezuelan migrating, crossing the border illegally, is already happening in some areas, they just need to walk.

If the situation gets worse we could witness a new migration crisis similar to the one in Middle East. This time in Latin America, lucky we do not have to worry about ISIS style danger within the migrants groups.

With Trump as president this could be an interesting thing to witness, for one Trump could just ignore it, let Maduro and socialists die in their own ideology, on the other we know how much Trump wants to get the oil from Iraq, but he also do not want to start another war.

Venezuela politicians have lots of ties with North Korea, China, Iran and other regimes, but Venezuela is in South America almost Central America, there is not way Trump USA would allows big military deployment from any of these countries in in the Pacific Ocean, and to get access to Venezuela coast you will need to be in the Atlantic, Puerto Rico is part of the USA, too dangerous.

Besides, with Trump president not Latin American country would want to get in hot water by allowing some Asian country use them as port to help Venezuela.

Maduro would have to deal with this mess on his own.

[Samseau]

I've met some Venezuelan refugees in Boston. The women were smoking hot. I'm very sympathetic of pussy migration.

The situation in Europe is a migration of suicidal Islamic beta males. Barely any women, fuck that shit. Accept women and children, reject men they can take care of themselves.

[Going strong]

(09-07-2016 02:25 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm very sympathetic of pussy migration.

The situation in Europe is a migration of suicidal Islamic beta males. Barely any women, fuck that shit. Accept women and children, reject men they can take care of themselves.

The post to end them all: it should be posted in the Migrants' Invasion famous thread, as the one post to rule them all! Nothing to add, perfectly summed up.

[Latinopan]

(09-07-2016 02:25 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I've met some Venezuelan refugees in Boston. The women were smoking hot. I'm very sympathetic of pussy migration.

The situation in Europe is a migration of suicidal Islamic beta males. Barely any women, fuck that shit. Accept women and children, reject men they can take care of themselves.

Venezuela has a good population of mixture of Europeans with Pre-Columbian Arawak/Taino Indians and Middle Eastern, this is why they look to have white features but not exactly white, they look like they have a tan, like the model Ana Carmen Leon I posted.

Venezuela has a HUGE beauty pageant cultures, and young girls grew up putting lots of emphasis in their appearance, they have lots of Miss Universes crowns, sometimes for 15 birthdays girls get implants as a gift.

Venezuela mannequin



The problem in Europe is also the culture, not just the men, but culture these men have, they have "sexual emergency" they have to rape whatever has a hole, not matter what, 3 years old? go for it.

We do not have to worry about the Venezuelan men doing this, also there is nothing the Venezuelan want to kill themselves for.

[Off The Reservation]

(09-07-2016 01:44 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 01:23 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 11:06 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 10:31 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

Some more tidbits.

My Venezuelan friends tell me that now if you fly there commercial most of the luggage gets robbed between the plane landing and the baggage claim.

If you are not robbed inside the airport personally you might get robbed or robbed and killed in an ambush on the highway from the airport.

If you are traveling in other countries in South America you see ads on tv for a hotel in Caracas that is advertising armored doors on each room.

One of my friends was robbed by police and was likely saved because hotel security drew guns on the police and ordered them to leave.

Have a nice trip.

Amazing. Venezuela was one of the richest countries in S America in the 80's. 30 years later its as if the Romans abandoned the British Isles. To my understanding there are plenty of areas in Caracas you don't walk down during the day or you will get killed.

Lots of Venezuelans have been moving to Dominican republic in the last years, lots of them TV and models, we have many people on TV right now from Venezuela, also lots of middle class Venezuelans smart enough to move before shit got rally bad.

This considering that DR is part of a island next to the poorest country on the West, is tiny compared to Venezuela and DR does not even have oil.

Just to mention some.

Daniel Sarcos, big guy in Latin America, ran a show for years in Venezuela.

Here he getting his Dominican citizenship




Ana Carmen Leon, model TV host, radio host, moved to DR in 2011



A news segment about the migration Venezuelans to DR, is in Spanish.

This is the type of immigration you want in your country, people who are going to ADD the the host country, these people must be very happy they do not have to deal with the current situation back home.

Many are also migration to Colombia crossing the border.

White (Latino) Flight. Will be one of the most significant trends of the century, all over Latin America (except southern parts)...

It is also happening in/from Brazil. It is simply too dangerous now for a lot of Brazilians to stay in their own country. I met one guy who told me "you can't have anything anymore."

[Brosemite]

^^ I don't want to derail the thread too much regarding Brazil..

When moving to Brazil mid-2015, I had no issues carrying my backpack with laptop and walking all around Curitiba to nearby coffee shops or malls to use them. As months went on, I heard stories about people getting mugged during the daytime in addition to seeing more solicitors pop up in random corners that were much safer upon first moving there.

Overall, it's still much safer there though I've heard some really negative reports about Rio and Vitória lately.

[Going strong]

I would be a bit reluctant to state that Venezuela has no link to islamist terrorism... I mean, isn't Venezuelan intelligence service massively infiltrated by Iranian operatives? There used to be, maybe still is, a very mysterious weekly plane flight scheduled between Caracas and Teheran... this was informally known as "el vuelo Air-VEVAK"... just food for thought.

[Latinopan]

(09-08-2016 04:12 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

I would be a bit reluctant to state that Venezuela has no link to islamist terrorism... I mean, isn't Venezuelan intelligence service massively infiltrated by Iranian operatives? There used to be, maybe still is, a very mysterious weekly plane flight scheduled between Caracas and Teheran... this was informally known as "el vuelo Air-VEVAK"... just food for thought.

The main reason why ISIS and other radical groups are able to operate in Europe is because the way they are able to blend in with the huge local Muslim population.

That is not the case in Latin America, a Muslim is going to standout, he dose not have big Muslim neighborhoods where he can blind in, going asking for the muslin guy? everybody knows the guy living around the corner is the only Muslim in the entire are.

Also when Trump wins not Latin America country want to be listed as dangerous for having some terrorist. If lets say Colombia discovers some Muslims with ISIS ties were planing to travel to from Middle East to Colombia and then USA Colombia will do everything it can to work with USA.

Colombians do not want to be banned from traveling to USA. That fear alone is enough to get them to work with USA.

[Going strong]

(09-08-2016 05:53 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 04:12 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

I would be a bit reluctant to state that Venezuela has no link to islamist terrorism... I mean, isn't Venezuelan intelligence service massively infiltrated by Iranian operatives? There used to be, maybe still is, a very mysterious weekly plane flight scheduled between Caracas and Teheran... this was informally known as "el vuelo Air-VEVAK"... just food for thought.

The main reason why ISIS and other radical groups are able to operate in Europe is because the way they are able to blend in with the huge local Muslim population.

That is not the case in Latin America, a Muslim is going to standout, he dose not have big Muslim neighborhoods where he can blind in, going asking for the muslin guy? everybody knows the guy living around the corner is the only Muslim in the entire are.

Also when Trump wins not Latin America country want to be listed as dangerous for having some terrorist. If lets say Colombia discovers some Muslims with ISIS ties were planing to travel to from Middle East to Colombia and then USA Colombia will do everything it can to work with USA.

Colombians do not want to be banned from traveling to USA. That fear alone is enough to get them to work with USA.

You are right to think that D. Trump president would flush terrorists and communists out of Latin America...

But as to Muslims standing out... think of the Triple fronteras area...

[Mekorig]

Triple Frontier is mostly a funding generator for those organizations, and i am sure than more than a few dozens countries have operatives there checking on the local muslims.

[Latinopan]

Some points why ISIS would not work in Latin America:

-Not big Muslim population and neighborhoods to blend in.
-Not welfare state to afford to never integrate with the natives.
-Not mosques all over the country funded by rich gulf states.
-Not low birthrate in the native population to outnumber them.
-Not state sponsored migration from this Muslims countries.
-Not historical guilt from past against the native for colonization, Latin American countries themselves were all colonies at some point.
-Not generational indoctrination of the male population, the Macho cultures is big thing in Latin America, try to rape or touch Juan's underage daughter and he would beat you right there.
-Not PC indoctrination of law enforcement, the police would give Juan a medal for beating the rapist.

[Going strong]

(09-09-2016 07:17 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

-Not generational indoctrination of the male population, the Macho cultures is big thing in Latin America, try to rape or touch Juan's underage daughter and he would beat you right there.
-Not PC indoctrination of law enforcement, the police would give Juan a medal for beating the rapist.

If anyone "rapes Juan's underage daughter" in Latin America, Juan won't have time to retaliate: Juan's neighbors will lynch the suspect before the police comes. And burn the perp's family house, too. Unfair actually as the perp's family is probably innocent, but, it is the way it works.

[CynicalContrarian]

Heh.
Put me down as someone who also read that protest message on page six as 'Harambe' initially.

[Off The Reservation]

Oil service companies are not being paid and the oil production infrastructure is falling apart. I guess they are trying to run it the way Zimbabweans thinks the grocery stores replenish themselves.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellynch...af001c4687

[scotian]

(09-11-2016 11:42 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

Oil service companies are not being paid and the oil production infrastructure is falling apart. I guess they are trying to run it the way Zimbabweans thinks the grocery stores replenish themselves.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellynch...af001c4687

Very interesting article, there are a bunch of Venezuelan engineers and other oil industry workers in Canada who fled their country when Chavez took over and they say the same, the country has run its oil industry into the ground. I do maintenance work during refinery shut downs in Canada, we have very high standards and our refineries are well run, even so, they can be dangerous and dirty places to work, I would hate to see the state of disrepair that the refineries in Venezuela are these days. On the other hand, if they ever get a decent government and decide to overhaul their refineries, I wouldn't mind going down there to work!

[Off The Reservation]

I had a Venezulan oil engineer uber driver the other day.

[The Beast1]

I could see Trump authoring military action in Venezuela to over throw the communists and then send their oil to the states while rebuilding the country.

Could we see Venezuela as a new American territory?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

With the oil prices at an all-time low (so low that it's not worth it to produce anything from abundant US oilfields), why bother with that? I think people overestimate the importance of oil in geopolitical affairs.