[WestIndianArchie]

This is an oldie but goodie.

So let's say you meet a girl, bang a girl, and do what you need to do in order to promote her from one night stand to a chick in your rotation.

If you show her kindness, and she reacts like a person is supposed to react to kindness - she's a good girl.

If you show her kindness, and she takes your kindness for weakness - she's a bad girl. As in toxic, as in does not have healthy relationships, as in the type that says all of her boyfriends have been abusive/assholes/drama.

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What have been your experiences?

WIA

[AneroidOcean]

I've found that while you can show kindness to a good girl, if you do it too much, she will leave you just the same as any other girl.

Also, a good girl can become a bad girl, but a bad girl rarely if ever can become a good girl.

The good girl is why I was able to have LTRs long before I ever discovered game and had any real amount of competence level.

[262]

"It's my job to push, and it's your job to resist." - from the London Daygame community.

In other words, a good girl candidate will successfully resist all attempts to bang her easily, despite any Game and sexual market value gaps. No guarantees, of course, but a good sign.

Now, if we're talking merely about rotation candidates, as opposed to LTR/wife candidates, then yeah, you can drop the prude criteria, and filter with some of your own beta bait.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-12-2016 02:12 AM)262 Wrote:  

"It's my job to push, and it's your job to resist." - from the London Daygame community.

In other words, a good girl candidate will successfully resist all attempts to bang her easily, despite any Game and sexual market value gaps. No guarantees, of course, but a good sign.

Now, if we're talking merely about rotation candidates, as opposed to LTR/wife candidates, then yeah, you can drop the prude criteria, and filter with some of your own beta bait.

That's a bad test. It basically posits that game only works on easy girls.
They all resist. Most of them at least.

And all the walls come down.

A good game technique after you bang a chick that didn't resist you as much as others is to talk to her about how much of a fight she put up. It's a good way to keep her sense of self intact and not feel like a slut. No girl wants to feel easy. If you bang her quick, you still want to make her feel like you felt that you worked for it. And then you can quickly segue into some useful insight from her with the right set of questions.

But it's from London, and I've never seen much good and popular stuff out of London. (the not popular stuff like Liam and Gambler seem to be way better than the Daygame guys. And taking it back to the Bristol Lair era...)

Game, the underlying psychological principles, is agnostic about morality. Morality is man made.

If I send you to a food blog, or start describing a really great meal - you start to think of food, you start to salivate. Some people could even have an insulin response to words and pictures.

Hunger - Anger - Sex - those are baseline desires and impulses.

Good game cuts past the societal programming.

A lot of the mechanics of game isn't even getting her to want to fuck, it's really getting her to let go of the programming and do what her genes/reptilian brain wants her to do.

WIA

[Fortis]

A test that I like to employ.

Try to put a girl in a minor situation where she has to choose between you or her family.

If she chooses her family that is a green flag in my book.

Like, if you're talking about going to grab drinks on Saturday night, but she says she can't because she has to go take care of grandma or something of that nature, I give that a pass. Granted, she could be lying, but I think women who are able to put others before their base needs are typically what you want in the rotation.

[WestIndianArchie]

Fortis, I likes

WIA

[WestIndianArchie]

In fact that could be a good routine/screen

Think of a good girl trait
Then come up with two believable choices

"My home girl at work, is she my work wife? No matter. She's been seeing this guy for four months.
She LOVES him, omg it's sickening.

But the guy got a great job in Indiana, so he's moving.
He invited her to come live with him

She really likes him, but she doesn't know what to do..

"

From there have her go through the reasoning of why out why not.

If she immediately says I'd never move for a guy, you know a lot about that chick real quick.

WIA

[262]

(05-12-2016 06:19 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 02:12 AM)262 Wrote:  

"It's my job to push, and it's your job to resist." - from the London Daygame community.

In other words, a good girl candidate will successfully resist all attempts to bang her easily, despite any Game and sexual market value gaps. No guarantees, of course, but a good sign.

Now, if we're talking merely about rotation candidates, as opposed to LTR/wife candidates, then yeah, you can drop the prude criteria, and filter with some of your own beta bait.

That's a bad test. It basically posits that game only works on easy girls.
They all resist. Most of them at least.

And all the walls come down.

A good game technique after you bang a chick that didn't resist you as much as others is to talk to her about how much of a fight she put up. It's a good way to keep her sense of self intact and not feel like a slut. No girl wants to feel easy. If you bang her quick, you still want to make her feel like you felt that you worked for it. And then you can quickly segue into some useful insight from her with the right set of questions.

But it's from London, and I've never seen much good and popular stuff out of London. (the not popular stuff like Liam and Gambler seem to be way better than the Daygame guys. And taking it back to the Bristol Lair era...)

Game, the underlying psychological principles, is agnostic about morality. Morality is man made.

If I send you to a food blog, or start describing a really great meal - you start to think of food, you start to salivate. Some people could even have an insulin response to words and pictures.

Hunger - Anger - Sex - those are baseline desires and impulses.

Good game cuts past the societal programming.

A lot of the mechanics of game isn't even getting her to want to fuck, it's really getting her to let go of the programming and do what her genes/reptilian brain wants her to do.

WIA

That's not what it posits.

Yes, most Girls resist, and yes, most of the time, with enough Game and/or sexual market value, the walls come down. Are all of these girls easy? No. But are they "unicorns?" No.

And that has nothing to do with morals or societal programming. There's a reason both male and female brains have evolved to be repulsed by sluts - they're bad long-term investments.

Also, while you're entitled to your opinion on the London Daygame guys, no offense, but they're more popular than you, me, or a lot of other Game scenes, save for Roosh and Heartiste, who've both gone more political recently anyway. And there's got to be some quality to be mentioned in the same breath as those guys, as opposed to being relative nobodies like us.

[Easy_Mode]

A sexually liberated woman does not make a bad girl. A bad girl hides her sluttiness or uses it to piss of her beta man. A bad girl can't appreciate anything except the drama roller coaster. She can't commit to one person. Adventure, randomness, and taboo makes her vagina tingle. A good girl that is sexually liberated will have a small notch count, because she keeps her man. A bad girl will have a high notch count, because she drives men away.

[markus85]

True in my experience. The higher her quality the more I can get away with being 'nice'. Conversely the lower her self worth/value the more she'll actually enjoy being treated badly/drama etc

In fact when you get to the bottom rung they will almost demand and respond favourably to being treate like utter trash.

[Kid Twist]

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So, is it bad parenting? Or the fact that women are conformists generally speaking, and the society is at an all time high in "diseased" status?

[markus85]

In my direct experience it's hard to say. Two of the BPD's i've met had very strong,stable and loving families.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-14-2016 09:56 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

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So, is it bad parenting? Or the fact that women are conformists generally speaking, and the society is at an all time high in "diseased" status?

LOL, diseased. You guys kill me sometimes.

Humans need change and novelty, constantly.
Women are humans
Thus women need change and novelty.

So the men that women typically interact with

- guys that give them everything with on strings attached - 85% of guys (Betas)
- guys that make them earn things - 10% of guys (Alphas)
- guys that do not care about them, yet still interact with them (Players)

The betas are not much of a challenge.
The alphas are more of a challenge.

The players don't seem to want to play the game with her, but she wants them to play, hence the greatest challenge of all.

The "will he or won't he" feeling, the tension, - that's what she's after.

The alpha gives that to her to some extent, the player makes that his main thing. And most of that tension is sub-communicated, which is what a good player specializes in.

She wants that novelty, that change, that unknown...and then she wants the tension released.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

Every time, every day, every girl.

For the man that understands a woman's mischievous nature, the question is

Do I want to play?
Do I want to keep her around?
What value is she giving me by being around me?

When you look at the progression of a player
- happy to get a number
- happy to get a make out
- happy to have a date that ends in sex
- happy with one night stands
- happy with crazy wild circus sex involving a midget and a spotter
- happy with super hot chicks

Then it sort of stalls out as you realize that 19 year old with the banging body and deep throat skills is just a bag of flesh and bones. She's an empty vessel. You can recalibrate your sense of hotness, and go for higher - but there always seems to be something missing. Nothing is actually wrong with the girl.

So then the search switches from the strictly physical, to the mental and personality engagement - he's using all the skills from before to find a chick who's sexy, has great sex, lots of other skills on paper - but who keeps him mentally engaged with her.

You want to have a great day at work, but you also want to be excited to come home and see your chick.

Tall order. Cause a chick has to bring things to the table that she has not been taught to develop.

Some settle with just affection, and then they grow weak being hit by it.

The lucky find a chick that taps into his own desire for novelty.

WIA

[Kid Twist]

Women needing change and novelty constantly is ONLY associated with a diseased culture. Otherwise, it wouldn't be expected by them, or even tolerated by others. Your first premise is inaccurate in the way you portrayed it, although the rest of your post is interesting and probably pretty accurate.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-15-2016 04:06 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

Women needing change and novelty constantly is ONLY associated with a diseased culture. Otherwise, it wouldn't be expected by them, or even tolerated by others. Your first premise is inaccurate in the way you portrayed it, although the rest of your post is interesting and probably pretty accurate.

What culture do you know of where a people don't want to discover new things everyday?

Lemme know

WIA

[Kid Twist]

You guys are oversimplifying. Of course I don't disagree [about discovering new things], but that's not what we are talking about. At all.

There are spectra of female choice. This is like standard understanding of society and female -gamy, especially for Roosh V forum.

To prove the point, in 1950s was it better for men? Of course. We all know why (traditional roles, understanding, loyalty) and it has everything to do with how diseased and confused the culture is now. Women only are AWARE of choices now that they have been allowed them. And that's why society is rotting.

I'm not saying you don't get what you "want" in terms of sex from lots of stupid women, but I would argue that's neither good for you or them, ultimately.