[Fender_Bender]

Amazing how with apps like Tinder and Bumble where women wield literally all the power and ultimate decision on which of the 100s of thirsty matches gain access to her majesty they still manage to "lose" to these immature manchildren that just won't buy flowers and man up!

Proof that the more power and ability to choose their mates they have the more miserable they are.

It is funny to see the conversational role reversal with Bumble (in the short time I tried it). Like others mentioned, most girls just don't message their matches and those that do are "hey" "how's it going" - messages they would instantly dismiss on Tinder or OKCupid ("If you can't even put some thought into messaging me, don't even bother, read my profile, I'm special!!!")

[Adonis]

(05-05-2016 02:35 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:53 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

A lot of tinder's effectiveness will depend on where you are.

In NJ, tinder was awful, but go across the river to NYC and I'm getting opened by 7s despite my shitty pictures.

As I've said in the Main OKC thread:

NYC is one of the only places in the US where online dating is actually worth it. It's stupid easy there to get digits online from good looking women. Of course, NYC is also one the best places outside of online to get ass in the US as well; female thirst is VERY real for a non-faggot acting/looking man in Manhattan. It's a painful thing to experience (the female thirst by good looking women) to only have to go back to some other US city where fucking 3's and 4's act like entitled cunts.

Location, location, location.

The PNW gets a bad rep for dating but what you've written here echoes what Ive experienced in this so called desert. The majority of "men" here are your stereotypical AMZN/MSFT nerdtrons, so of course they're going to be disappointed when they come to realize (either consciously or subconsciously) that alpha fucks/beta bucks. Ive been cleaning up online, much more than day/night game. I don't even message girls anymore and I get opened 3-4 times a week by good looking outdoor type girls. Decent girls, your typical REI 6 who cleans up nice and can keep up on a hike. I throw in some outdoorsy pictures along with some asshole game and right of center gems in my profile and they eat it up trying to qualify themselves before Ive even uttered a word to them, plus I scare off most of the SJW and sapio-sexual nut jobs. When we meet up and actually hold a conversation about science or economics its easy to make their heads spin.

Female thirst is a very very real thing, and it is a product of their own creation.

[Delta]

(05-05-2016 09:45 PM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  

Amazing how with apps like Tinder and Bumble where women wield literally all the power and ultimate decision on which of the 100s of thirsty matches gain access to her majesty they still manage to "lose" to these immature manchildren that just won't buy flowers and man up!

Proof that the more power and ability to choose their mates they have the more miserable they are.

It is funny to see the conversational role reversal with Bumble (in the short time I tried it). Like others mentioned, most girls just don't message their matches and those that do are "hey" "how's it going" - messages they would instantly dismiss on Tinder or OKCupid ("If you can't even put some thought into messaging me, don't even bother, read my profile, I'm special!!!")

It's even worse than you make it out to be. My little self-description on Bumble has a hook specifically designed as an easy conversation starter for the girl, and my OKCupid profile is chock full of them. Still, almost every message I get on both is to the effect of "hey how's it going".

Meanwhile, you'll see girls whose profile is nothing but a few pointless cliches ("I like to laugh and have a good time", "I like spending time with family and friends", etc) bitching about the quality of the messages they receive, as though it's your job to put more thought into your message than she did into her entire profile.

Recently, a fat single mom with one of those "send me a message worth responding to" type complaints at the top of her profile actually sent me a "Hi" message. I couldn't believe my eyes.

If girls even put in one tenth the effort they demand from guys, their future wouldn't be so bleak

[XPQ22]

I sometimes wonder what the feminist creators of Bumble think of their creation. They certainly must be aware that, by any objective standard, their dating site is a failure compared to just about any of the others. And I think they must also be aware that one of the reasons for it is that their client base pretty much don't take it seriously, and are masters at ghosting, flaking, and investing the absolute minimum effort.

Obviously they had an agenda in starting the company, but one wonders what it was. Did they really naively belive their own philosophy that women would actually "take control" of the dating market, and that they would evenly distribute their attentions to all suitors? Was the actual intent what has been argued by other members of the forum here is the purpose of feminism - to shut men who aren't in the top tier out of the market and make it a playground for women and alphas? Or some combination?

Because you can't really have a dating app which at least gives the _impression_ that only top tier men get results. You need to pull in the suckers to make payroll.

While we may never know what conclusions they drew form how poorly this app has performed, I think the fact that they're introducing this "BFF" feature and what seems like trying to reorganize the app into a social media / networking platform indicates they must recognize that it was in some sense an ideological failure.

If Bumble survives I predict it will turn into just another social media platform with some "girl power dating" features tacked on. You can have whatever ideology you want, but passivity and attention-whoring pays the bills. Match Inc. at least was smart enough to recognize this.

[John Michael Kane]

(05-06-2016 04:11 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I sometimes wonder what the feminist creators of Bumble think of their creation. They certainly must be aware that, by any objective standard, their dating site is a failure compared to just about any of the others. And I think they must also be aware that one of the reasons for it is that their client base pretty much don't take it seriously, and are masters at ghosting, flaking, and investing the absolute minimum effort.

Obviously they had an agenda in starting the company, but one wonders what it was. Did they really naively belive their own philosophy that women would actually "take control" of the dating market, and that they would evenly distribute their attentions to all suitors? Was the actual intent what has been argued by other members of the forum here is the purpose of feminism - to shut men who aren't in the top tier out of the market and make it a playground for women and alphas? Or some combination?

Because you can't really have a dating app which at least gives the _impression_ that only top tier men get results. You need to pull in the suckers to make payroll.

While we may never know what conclusions they drew form how poorly this app has performed, I think the fact that they're introducing this "BFF" feature and what seems like trying to reorganize the app into a social media / networking platform indicates they must recognize that it was in some sense an ideological failure.

If Bumble survives I predict it will turn into just another social media platform with some "girl power dating" features tacked on. You can have whatever ideology you want, but passivity and attention-whoring pays the bills. Match Inc. at least was smart enough to recognize this.

This just in: http://www.starterincubator.com/venture-...w-friends/

Quote:

Bumble, the popular dating app where girls make the first move, has released an update that may turn the dating app world on its head.

The new feature, called BFF, essentially lets users use the same swiping and matching algorithms for friendship instead of dating.

Here’s how it works:

After switching into BFF mode, users will see their potential dates replaced by people of the same sex that Bumble thinks you would want to be friends with.

Once both people swipe right, both parties have 24 hours to initiate a conversation, similar to how Bumble handles same-sex dating today.

Lol, you can now swipe how hot (or not) you want your female friends to be. I think they realize that the whole "women make the first move" thing sounded good as a SJW platitude, but the response rate is awful. Now they are trying to branch out with this friend pivot. I already gave them 1 start in the Google Play store and recommend other men do likewise for their feminist nonsense. The more men we warn about this crap the better.

[Delta]

(05-06-2016 04:11 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

And I think they must also be aware that one of the reasons for it is that their client base pretty much don't take it seriously, and are masters at ghosting, flaking, and investing the absolute minimum effort.

Great description... of every dating platform. MAYBE eHarmony is an exception, I don't know for sure because I'm not looking to lock down a 40 year old wife.

The problem with Bumble or any other dating app is not the way it's designed, it's the nature of women below the age of 35. When you have a barrage of options constantly thrown your way without putting in any effort, then you don't feel the need to put in any effort.

[XPQ22]

^ I think the reason that they are surviving at all is that their core team is very small, maybe eight people IIRC. The coding is outsourced to Romania or something.

It is a good description of most dating sites, but the reason why men (like me!) pound away at Tinder and OKC is that the ability to proactively message gives us a feeling of "agency", even though in many cases it's a false one. The girls who responded to messages only to ghost and flake etc. often makes it feel like a casino slot machine that blinks and beeps a lot but is very reticent at giving up the payout. One might argue that if one wanted to design an online dating site it would be designed to attract specifically this type of female user...as even though I seem to be aware of this analogy, it still pays off enough for me to make it seem a worthwhile way for me to keep plunking in quarters.

I'll probably give Bumble a try at some point, if only for the reason that gamblers know that going to the tables where it looks like all the action is is usually the best way to lose money.