[dogthom]

I lived in Korea for a long time.

Korean women are the polar opposite of the Filipina's. Gaming Koreans is very tough.

A big problem is the young Korean guys are pretty good competition.

They are quite metrosexual, well dressed and well mannered, and they may actually have real career prospects (unlike the typical teachers you meet in Asia).

The modern Korean guy is a huge step up from his father's generation, unless you're into rough around the edges soju swilling Rednecks.

I will concur with much of the above..

Korean women are often aweful in bed.

But they're definitely the prettiest in Asia.

[Fortis]

I think it's time for OP to fly to Korea.

[RichieP]

I concur with the "Koreans awful in bed" sentiment.

Had one who squealed half-heartedly for 20 mins, then suddenly (in mid rhythm) she turned around and said "is it over yet?"

She hadn't had sex for five years before that.

I did find one who was very adventurous though. No experience, but I trained her up and we had a LOT of fun.

They also seem to just have cool personalities. Like, classy yet fiesty and passionate. Always tend to like the ones I do actually get into convos with.

[Bushido]

Firstly, I give the OP some props for getting out there and approaching. That is some good stuff, but I'm not sure what he really expected to happen, given his profile. A few things going on here:

- Koreans feel superior to the local girls in places such as Thailand and the Philippines. K-girls that would be pullable in Seoul/Tokyo will automatically get harder as a result. As I have noted previously, they are more than gameable in the West and in Japan due to feeling relatively inferior to the women in those places. Hierarchy is in everything that these people do and is central to how they think.

- Rightly or wrongly, Korean girls have many white guys in SEA pegged as either backpackers or sex tourists. As a result, some considerable differentiation game is required.

- If you are 40s and average-looking, then you need to do more to distinguish yourself from the pack of other middle-aged expats. Do you lift? Do you dress to the hilt? "Average" is simply not going to cut it with hot East Asian chicks.

- Big age gaps don't happen as often now in East Asia as they used to. This is just reality. I was getting called "uncle" by some 18 year-old J-girls in my late 20s. It is what it is. Also, you think you look 30...Not to call you out here, maybe you really do. But bear in mind that:

a) Most guys believe themselves to look younger than they actually do

and

b) To Koreans you are going to look older than what a westerner would see you as.

- "Staring down" the Korean guys these girls are walking with is a fucking stupid move. Not only is it unhelpful, it's going to get you into trouble eventually. Korean men are all required to do military service (except the softies who run away to study abroad) and as a result have some proficiency at fighting and basic Taekwando at the very minimum. I know a pretty jacked Kiwi guy who got a bad beatdown after doing street game in Korea. He was hospitalized as a result. Be careful out there!

Don't stop trying man, but consider the above points.

[Schlep]

^^ great points Bushido. It seemed like a great idea at the time to try something different by gaming the Korean girls. But, after reading all the responses and thinking about my actions. Maybe I should have planned things out better. Also, to have been less of a jackass around the Korean men. Live and learn.

[whiteknightrises]

(04-27-2016 04:15 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 11:01 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

Not to derail, but SEA languages seem so fucking difficult to learn. Even moreso than slavic languages. True, or the same but different?

Korea is not Southeast Asia; it is Northeast Asia (China, Japan, Korea).

I don't know anything about SE Asian languages but yes Korean is one of the hardest languages for English speakers to learn:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:...h_Speakers

^Apparently harder than Russian. The hardest languages being Northeast Asian languages (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) and Arabic

There are a lot of English loanwords (like English words just pronounced in a Korean way) but other than that I can see it being hard because the grammar is totally different and pretty difficult (formal/informal speech, knowing when to use those, etc)

According to a Chinese-Japanese girl I met, it's the same grammar-wise as Japanese. She said "just the words are different." But I'm guessing you're not Japanese haha

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"They also seem to just have cool personalities. Like, classy yet fiesty and passionate. Always tend to like the ones I do actually get into convos with."
- That's one of my favorite things about Korean girls. They are definitely feminine but not pushovers.

And yea I don't think I addressed this in my last post:

"Staring down" the Korean guys

Don't do that. Korean people have an extremely short fuse and can be very aggressive. Kids I knew that grew up in Korea were a lot rougher. Fighting is (or at least was) pretty common in school. Even with girls, I would be careful. When I first got here, I kept making eye contact with a girl cuz I thought she was checking me out (didn't have contact lenses in). She was super drunk, cursed out loud in the middle of a restaurant "This guy is fucking staring at me so much!" She came over and started cussing me out and shit. I apologized and when we left, this chick literally started chasing after us

When you stare at someone, they might think along the lines of "what does this person want?" "is he talking shit about me" "i'm gonna fuck this idiot up." Goes along with the whole Koreans care a lot about what others think about them

Obviously, eye contact and a wink/smile is different, but be careful

[General Stalin]

(04-28-2016 08:09 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

Korea is not Southeast Asia; it is Northeast Asia (China, Japan, Korea).

I don't know anything about SE Asian languages but yes Korean is one of the hardest languages for English speakers to learn:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:...h_Speakers

^Apparently harder than Russian. The hardest languages being Northeast Asian languages (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) and Arabic

There are a lot of English loanwords (like English words just pronounced in a Korean way) but other than that I can see it being hard because the grammar is totally different and pretty difficult (formal/informal speech, knowing when to use those, etc)

According to a Chinese-Japanese girl I met, it's the same grammar-wise as Japanese. She said "just the words are different." But I'm guessing you're not Japanese haha

Forgive my ignorance of Asian geography. I always consider Russia part of Asia and when looking at the entire continent, all those countries with the slanty eyed folks with the syllable-based alphabets lay Southeast of Russia.

Asia is bar far the region of the world I know the least about. I know whenever I hear Japanese, Chinese, or Korean spoken it sounds complex and exhausting. I'd love to learn one of those languages but it seems so daunting.

[DVY]

Props to you brother! I can only swoop korean girls when they are drunk. For me thats a spot like LIV.

There is some kind of face/nationalistic identity/group shame thing going on as mentioned above in the thread.

I've been in cebu for almost a week and almost swooped a Jap girl out of LIV (was kissing her inside of liv), then when I texted her the next morning- no response. Its just much harder to do than a filipina.

Tried talking to a bunch of koreans day-time in Cebu (mid-late 20s here) and just got absolute nowhere.

[hydrogonian]

(04-26-2016 05:14 AM)Schlep Wrote:  

All the women in I.T park were in a hurry and didn't want to be bothered or their English ability wasn't that great. If she had a man with her. I would open her asking for directions. Stare the man down and then ask for her number. All the men didn't even try to cock block me in anyway. But, the women would usually just stare at the ground.

lol.

This is the wrong type of game for 95% of these women bro. By "these" women, I mean North Asians with generally good educations, high IQs, and little to no exposure to alpha behavior beyond the one or two guys in their high school classes with moderate balls.

The 5% for whom it is correct are generally hanging around army bases, or used to be and are older.

You're trying to fit a western PUA square peg into an, um, round hole. No metaphor intended.

They respond to alpha behavior but only after they are a little comfortable with you first. Otherwise, their shyness is overwhelming for them in response.

Open softer and target women by themselves. Try indirect game at first. Talk about something like books, the weather, any fucking thing. Try to demonstrate some type of value that fits within their culture, like education or being cultured on something like food, alcohol, etc. Any excuse for a benign that conversation that demonstrates that you can talk in a normal conversational manner that makes them feel comfortable with you. The key is to make it a real conversation. Don't cut it short with a number exchange request. Take it to where exchanging numbers is the natural ending to the conversation.

Alternately, Make them laugh. Then make them laugh again. Make it cute. Demonstrate high social value. Then exchange numbers. Then go on a date. Then go on another. Then let it happen. This is Korean girl game.

[IDrinkYourMilkShake]

I dont have any to add that has not already been said. OP, you deserve props for doing all these approaches. You seem to be open for suggestions and criticism, my experience with korean girls simply says that you should take the advice from RichieP, whiteknightrises and bushido.
One thing though is that you might have fallen into the 'trap' of labeling them all as "asian girls". What I mean by that is we all know how easy it is to get pinays and how overwhelming ego-boost that can be, so in the subconsciousness the idea of that they are all just "asian girls" starts to grow, when infact pinays and k-girls comes from opposite worlds. For the later ones, as a foreigner, you either look like David Beckham or have to proove your value, while for the first ones, just showing up is enough.

Learning some korean frases and going to a korean restaurant ordering in korean can be very effective, showing that you know the customs of the tribe might make them want to invite you over at theire table for some drinking and frome there on game starts

[RichieP]

(04-28-2016 07:48 AM)Bushido Wrote:  

- Koreans feel superior to the local girls in places such as Thailand and the Philippines. K-girls that would be pullable in Seoul/Tokyo will automatically get harder as a result. As I have noted previously, they are more than gameable in the West and in Japan due to feeling relatively inferior to the women in those places. Hierarchy is in everything that these people do and is central to how they think.

Very interesting dynamic. So their self-perception of relative status is key.

[Artiste]

(04-27-2016 10:01 AM)Schlep Wrote:  

I'm in my early fourties and daygame in the states. I approach women in the 28-35 range. I have a fair amount of success as I look younger then my age and dress well. Also, daygame in Bogota Colombia and the Philippines.

I was asking about the quantifiable specifics -- and I am still curious about what you define as “a fair amount of success” -- because I would be very surprised if this kind of just-show-up game worked in the West let alone Korea unless you had status/looks and rock-solid confidence, plus the local language where applicable.

Anyhow, there have been some great replies in this thread:

(04-27-2016 11:01 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

...Koreans aren't just gonna jump on your dick because you're white unless you're a male model, in which case this thread wouldn't even exist

(04-27-2016 02:57 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Outside the box game is just that...

(04-28-2016 07:48 AM)Bushido Wrote:  

- If you are 40s and average-looking, then you need to do more to distinguish yourself from the pack of other middle-aged expats...

(05-02-2016 08:06 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

This is the wrong type of game for 95% of these women bro. By "these" women, I mean North Asians with generally good educations, high IQs...

(05-03-2016 07:47 AM)IDrinkYourMilkShake Wrote:  

...we all know how easy it is to get pinays and how overwhelming ego-boost that can be, so in the subconsciousness the idea of that they are all just "asian girls" starts to grow...

There are many other great nuggets of wisdom in the above posts. Now, if I was to summarize the main message, it would be this:

If you wanna bang hot Korean girls in the Philippines, you actually have to actively game them, i.e., work out, dress well, demonstrate value, calibrate, make them laugh, develop attraction, gain comfort, know the culture, go on dates, etc... rather than running just-show-up game…

(04-27-2016 11:23 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

The lack of game here makes me cringe.
This is Lena Dunham level of entitlement

I would offer the following factors in explaining it:

1.The tendency for guys to brag online about quality, plus the sheer lay counts reported. In this case, I would refer to the high number of self-proclaimed hero postings in the Philippines thread, which includes fair descriptions of very high lay counts over short periods of time (generally believable reports on quantity), and over-stated claims about the quality of women (generally questionable reports on quality) -- i.e., "yeah she was a 8" when she was more like a 6 or 7 within the context of the society.

2.The pride of men. An ego-shielding misattribution of success. Rather than conceding that the key factors behind the lay may relate to status and wealth, guys indulge themselves in the luxury of fantasies like “my game was tight” or “she was really into me”. Note: I am also guilty of this.

3.Thinking all Asian are alike. A lack of awareness about the difference between Asian women, particularly those from the richest (e.g., South Korea) and poorest countries in Asia (notably the Philippines) results in faulty generalizations.

Amongst other factors, such as English being widely spoken in the Philippines, these variables come together to paint a picture of the famed ‘poosy paradise’ where minimal if any game is required. This in turn leads to guys feeling entitled to easy access to actual hot chicks without putting in the required effort, either within the poorer countries themselves (i.e., gaming genuine high status women) or in other supposedly similar contexts as noted in this thread or, for instance, expecting Philippine-type pulls in Japan {ref 1}.

Bonus vid and link for any guys who emphasise game over status/money/looks as the magic elixir across all situations. (In my experience this is generally done by either pickup coaches, or guys who are not rich or have never hung around rich people) –

1: “Picking Up Girls In A Lamborghini Without Talking”

2.There is also a Chinese version for those wanting an Asian angle: “What Happens When A Beijing Man Invites Women Into His Lamborghini?” – {see ref 2}. Note: The Chinese vid isn’t subbed so I will refer viewers to consider the English text in the link if interested.

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P.S. Just one thing I disagree with:

(04-28-2016 07:48 AM)Bushido Wrote:  

- Koreans feel superior to the local girls in places such as Thailand and the Philippines. K-girls that would be pullable in Seoul/Tokyo will automatically get harder as a result. As I have noted previously, they are more than gameable in the West and in Japan due to feeling relatively inferior to the women in those places. Hierarchy is in everything that these people do and is central to how they think.

I’m curious as to why you attribute their theoretical inferiority to Westerners/Japanese as having a notable impact on them being more gameable there. That is, how did you come to the conclusion that (a) they feel inferior and (2) this makes a significant impact on their openness?

So whilst I fully agree that they feel superior to Thai and especially Filipina women (and that they will assume the average Western flyover guy is a sex tourist), and although I agree with them being more gameable in the West compared to in Korea…

(04-06-2016 06:44 AM)Artiste Wrote:  

In my experience if you took a random sample of 100 other Asians say Koreans who are living or staying in say Australia, and took 100 Koreans raised and living in Korea... it would be easier to approach and bang those in Australia, especially compared to your experience being in Korea without fluency in Korean. However, the quality of those in Australia is significantly LOWER.

(Caveat: there are significant differences in this home-vs-away ratio of success based on nationality, so generalizing across Asian countries is of limited utility here).

High status hot girls in Asia don't need to travel or meet foreigners to enjoy the lifestyle of an attractive woman - they already get that locally. Indeed in Japan they may even describe those staying overseas, who are older and/or searching for Western men, as Make-inu or "losers"...

…I nonetheless disagree that they perceive themselves as being lower value there. I would agree that a number of Asians idealise Americans, especially Filipinas, but not the Koreans. Koreans generally show fervent nationalistic and ethnic pride {ref 3} -- and whilst this may be seen historically as a defense mechanism against the Japanese-Chinese and Russian-American dominance -- this is one factor that results in an individualized self-confidence. In addition:

(04-06-2016 06:44 AM)Artiste Wrote:  

In Australia and much of the West, the local girls are so fat that these Make-inu pass for attractive and get attention from solid blokes whose primary alternative consists of fat, selfish, masculine white chicks *shudder*. Based on my own observations and discussions with Asians, if you contrast their experiences within their home country they generally report that they're treated as higher value overseas. They get (a) approached by more guys and (b) have higher self-perceived value because of it. Plenty of Asian 7s act like 9s in the West. It's the Charisma Woman effect -- the Reverse Charisma Man…

One final point on Koreans in Japan:

More than 60 years after Japanese rule ended in Korea, resentment for the Japanese atrocities still runs deep for many Koreans {ref 4}. This, amongst other factors such as the high living standards in Korea and considerable national pride, means that Korean girls generally do not feel inferior to the Japanese. Thus I would suggest that the (moderately) increased ease of laying them there or elsewhere relates more to other factors such as the sense of sexual freedom being away from social judgement, a tendency of travellers to be more sexually adventurous, the implicit social approval of sleeping around, their improved SMV thereby giving them access to high quality and arousing mates, and more.

All that said, Bushido, the rest of your post is excellent and will keep an eye out for your name moving forward.

Further reading

[1] "RE: Bang Japan: Game in The Great Nippon Empire", post 1310 {LINK}

[2] Re: Lambo pickup; "What Happens When A Beijing Man Invites Women Into His Lamborghini?" {LINK}

[3] Re: Korean pride; "Korea's ethnic nationalism is a source of both pride and prejudice, according to Gi-Wook Shin" {LINK} [Edit: for some reason this link doesn't work when hyperlinked here but you can find it instantly if you google the title]

[4] Re: Japanese resentment in Korea; "Ask a Korean--Korea-Japan Relation Saga, Part III – WWII" {LINK}

[Dagnasty]

It's really funny when guys think East Asians are as desperate to jump on foreign dick as Pinays. I'm waiting for the, "I flew to Korea/Japan/China/Hong Kong and banged 30 girls in 30 days."

Believable in Manila and Cebu, but you've gotta bring more to the table than just showing up when you're not dealing with Pinays. I agree with "West" about the level of entitlement.

Korean girls won't fling themselves at you for a few dollars and a look at a blue passport.

[Bushido]

Artiste,

Korea was a colony of Japan for a considerable period. Yes, there is some resentment towards Japan, but there's also an undeniable inferiority complex at play (this is a neutral observation). That combined with the sheer unbelievable quantity of hot Japanese girls in Tokyo means that K-girls are much easier there. It's like any other market where supply and demand interact. To add to this, many go abroad to study and have more opportunity to get away from Korean men (world champion cockblockers).

In Southeast Asia, you are dealing with the opposite effect where white skinned, doll-faced girls are scarce and highly prized. So why are people surprised when these girls act differently over there?

By the way, I've seen how Korean girls act when in Europe and they are anything but prudish.

[ChickenLover9T9]

It's tempting because of pride to try and get K-girls in Cebu. If I saw a girl who looked like Hyun-A I would still probably be dragged to her by my dick.

But overall the best plan seems to be to not even try with K-girls because there are so many pinays who are far less work. If you want better quality for less work you can try day game instead of online. Even that requires experience in day game in whatever country you're from. You can try for the hotter pinays from the malls and see what you come up with, and you can also get the quantity and quality of sex from online that makes your balls shrivelled at the end of the trip.

The whole selling point of PI is sweet, feminine, average looking girls in big numbers where just turning up is enough. It is a relief from the emotionally draining boxing match of US/UK/EU girls.

This is unless you're a long-term resident of Cebu and are bored with average pinays, so all you can do is get into high class social events for the hotter pinays and yeah, K-girls. But this isn't what most western visitors to the philippines do.

[scottieee76]

(04-26-2016 05:14 AM)Schlep Wrote:  

Greeting All

I'm currently vacationing in Cebu city. This is my second trip here in the Philippines. Now, as any of you forum members who have been here before, you know as I do that the Korean girls are alot hotter then the Pilipinas. But, they seem like they are out of reach and unapproachable. In my two weeks I've been in the city, I've been dating a local philipina model and mixing in a couple locals girls here and there. But, me being the player that I am, I'm always looking for more. So, I spent the last two days day gaming only Korean girls in I.T park and Ayala mall.

About me:
White american
Early fourties but look early to mid thirties
6'1" 170 lbs.
Average looking guy

I decided that I was going to put 100% of my time and effort into getting my Korean flag. Made a daily log book of all my approaches. I ever recorded my approaches on my phone to get a better understanding of my successes and failures. Spent the first day going indirect. Playing the lost tourist and nice guy game. Second day was spent going with direct game. Asking for directions, then going direct with guns blazing.

In two days I approached 38 woman. All during daytime hours. As daygame is my bread and butter. 29 woman in I.T park. And 9 woman in Ayala mall.

My results.
I got blown out of the water on 97 % of my approaches. I'll be honest with you guys, it was brutal. I approached women in groups, women shopping solo and women with a man with them.

All the women in I.T park were in a hurry and didn't want to be bothered or their English ability wasn't that great. If she had a man with her. I would open her asking for directions. Stare the man down and then ask for her number. All the men didn't even try to cock block me in anyway. But, the women would usually just stare at the ground. Very, very shy. If it was a group of women together, it was just as bad. Most times they would just giggle and walk away.

My best results were to find the women at the mall in a group of two. Approach the one I liked, act like I live here and make comments about attending investment conferences and things of that nature. I recieved three phone numbers. But, no dates.

Final thoughts:
In my opinion these women are so shy and timid it's almost impossible to game them. Being seen with an American man is considered taboo. I think almost all of these women ages 18-23 are virgins. But, thats just my opinion. I even tried to get a picture for you guys of the average 7-8 Korean girl in Cebu. But, they were to shy and just walk away.

My apologies if I jumped around or bad grammer. Haven't slept well since my arrival.

Very impressive attempt ,

.... I think koreans have the most Taboo culture for dating outside race (Bit snobby too) ......... very beautiful though ......Have friends gone to Korea Nada...........

They seem to stick to themselves when abroad .... It brings great shame to bring a foreigner to the family ..... And they they rarely smile also cutural ..
except when they play poker ... By the way theirs great poker spot in Cebu , there 2 month ago.. great place to meet ex-pats .. koreans and Filipinos for chat .

[bluejun]

Yeah I concur, Korean girls like most asian girls focus on their faces, very pretty faces but their bodies have no curve and are terrible in bed to the point that they are almost asexual.
Unfortunately, I would say Korean girls are one of the few asian groups that like their own men mostly. I don't blame them, it's their upbringing and choice just like most white girls prefer their own men in general. But even for Korean men, it's getting tougher that's why you see all these foreign mail order brides flowing into Korea. I am a Korean that grew up in America and I would say that due to all the travel in the hot zone, my skin is a bit tanned and my hair is short which I've been maintaining since I got out of the service. I look more of outdoor Bear Grylls type which most Korean girls don't find attractive. There is certain looks that Korean girls look for. I would say Korean girls try their hardest to avoid the sun to make their skin as light as possible. They like their guys soft, skinny tall, well dressed, preferably white skin (not race but like light toned skin) with medium length hair. But there is one exception, Korean women are obsessed with French culture so if you are from there, you can play that card and you will be well received. Japanese women love their imaginary British guy, so if you are from there, play that card. If you are white and from America, sorry but your novelty has been wearing out rapidly, and it's getting worse ever since Trump got elected... go thank that shitbag. I was in London recently, I never felt so much anti-american sentiment and every conversation pretty much led to Trump. It was rather embarrassing.

You said you look like you are in your 30s even though you are in your 40s, but unfortunately, Koreans look like they are in their 20s even though they are in their 40s. This may apply to all asians but Koreans are extra attentive when it comes to their looks. So you will look naturally old to them.

[lovingseoul]

The OP is probably not in Cebu anymore, but I thought I'd chime in for others to see.
First of all, I'm a Korean who has lived close to a decade in the Philippines (Davao and Manila).
Much of what whiteknightrises wrote is true about K-girls.

The number 1 rule would be to always stick with targets who are alone for daygame.
Koreans feel very shy about speaking English in front of other Koreans.
I'm not entirely sure of the reason. They probably don't want to lose face when they make mistakes when speaking English.

But they will be more open to using their limited English if no other Koreans are around.
Koreans will rarely talk to strangers on the street.

For nightgame, most Koreans will not be by themselves, but they are also more open to meeting strangers. I highly recommend going with a wing if you are wanting to game Koreans at night.

With that said, you will have a big plus on your side. K-girls are more willing to experiment and let loose once outside Korea.
Rule of thumb: It's almost always easier to bang K-girl tourists than expats.
It might be hard to differentiate between the expats and tourists though. But one of your first few questions to ask them would be whether they are on vacation or studying/working there.

The Korean expat community in the Philippines is quite small enough where most of them will know the other Korean expats either directly or by a degree of separation. This is why you want to get them when they're alone. They don't want to be known in the small community as the girl who sleeps with non-Koreans.

So to sum it up, your best chance is with girls who are alone and also on vacation.

I will be going to Davao next week and will see if I can give a more detailed guide for gaming K-girls in SEA after my trip.
I have gamed K-girls in KL, Manila, Singapore, and Bangkok so far. I do think this can be a good niche as more and more Koreans are traveling to the Philippines.

[Zebra]

I fucked a Korean tourist from daygame in Paris. She had lived one year in Canada though so she was a bit westernized... I also got the number of another (more beautiful) one, but this one was traveling with friends and she refused to go out have a drink.

In cebu the korean girls I saw were not alone usually, although I saw a few older ones alone in ayala...