[Walker]

In the nicer parts of europe, high incomes get taxed more.

But this is offset by the fact that for a born poor but smart and ambitious person, the road from 5 figure pre-tax income to 7+ figure pre-tax income is a lot longer in the US.

That's because the american starts out having to work way more hours for less money, meaning slower accumulation of savings and less spare time for him to educate himself using the free tools all first worlders have. And when he finally becomes financially secure enough to start his own business or start negotiating hardball at prestigious 9-to-5s, there's a new set of problems: A nosier government when it comes to dictating a small business owner can and cannot do. Bosses that are more greedy, and more callous towards their employees, at the prestigious 9-to-5s.

If I could have done my early 20s blue collar work somewhere like denmark or the netherlands, I absolutely would have, but I didn't know that was an option at the time. I know now that it's a little extra work due to the hooks the US has in the global finance system (you have a big one time expenditure of effort at the start to get a european bank account as an american citizen, plus some extra paperwork every year on tax day), but when I was younger I thought it was impossible.

[Belgrano]

Reading Anabasis' great post:

(04-08-2016 04:12 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

In mainland Europe, everybody lives an OK life. Nobody is starving but the opportunity to carve out an exceptional life for yourself and realize your potential is non-existent. You get taxed 50% of your income ... innovation, hard work and hustle is discouraged. The system is already established. You're allowed to become a glorified slave but no chance to build your own Empire. A Surgeon lives almost the same lifestyle as a guy stacking shelves at Aldi. People don't have the fire and drive to succeed over there like Americans do. In Britain the classes are established & impenetrable. The poor support their local football clubs, get drunk and fight ... the rich do what they've always done.

I mostly agree with this paragraph, but the bold part is obviously a big exaggeration.
We already discussed it at lenght in the Sweden, Germany poorer than most US states thread, so let's not start all over again.
Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages, in the end it's a matter of personal preferences.
Life in Europe is not worse than in the US, it's just different.

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A semi-retarded bodybuilder immigrant from Austria (Arnold) can become a Movie-star and governor of the most populous state in the country.

I know you are probably just joking, but for the record, Arnie allegedly has an IQ of 135.

[Anabasis to Desta]

^Yeah joking 'bout Arnie obviously. Thanks though man.

Get to the Chopper!!!!!!!!

[TigerMandingo]

(04-08-2016 04:12 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Alright I'll explain....

Great post, man. But to quote the Joker, "All you care about is money"

While it's clearly obvious that there are countless financial opportunities in the US, there are other things that I, personally, value much more than career success. Socially and culturally speaking, the US is not my home and never can be. Forget about the terrible women for a second, it is nearly impossible to build genuine friendships here because people are highly superficial and put on fronts. If you are "redpill", then it's even worse.

I love the US, it's been really good to me, but it simply isn't congruent with my personality and character. Many others feel the same way. Shit, even Mexicans once they're done stacking their cash move back home because they can't stand the solitude!

All in all, yea I agree with you, it's a hell of a lot better than 99% of the world.

[cubanlinx]

Strong username to post content ratio from op.

[aeroektar]

(04-08-2016 02:22 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

Unfortunately, I don't think the US will ever break out of its delusion. The damage has been done, and it appears to be too advanced to ever fix. I'm in the same boat as you, early 20s and fed up with things. But at this moment, it appears that we have to face facts. The globalists have won.

We as young men will never have families, children, legacies, financial stability or higher purpose in life. The elites have taken that away from us. The era of finding greener pastures is rapidly coming to an end. Within the next 20 years tops, all greener pastures will be carousel countries. All of them. Women simply have too many options and men don't have enough. The only solution I see is the Aaron Clarey method. Get on the dole, enjoy the decline, and when it all finally breaks down or becomes too much to bear...

If you want to have a defeatist attitude and live with victim mentality you wont make shit out of your life in this country, just look at the typical SJW as a good example, but if you have the strength, the drive, at least average intelligence and enough common sense you can absolutely still have all of those things as an American man. Things have changed, but we have just as much if not more opportunity as our fathers had.

As American men we largely control our own fate. Yes we're currently fighting a narrative that goes against us, but who gives a shit, that's not going to stop you from being successful and getting what you want. Things aren't perfect and they never will be, we have to work with the current situation whether we like it or not, sulking wont get us anywhere.

If your unhappily living in a leftist state, pack up and move to a red state. If your unhappy with American women or just want to leave, build a life that allows you maximum freedom to travel the world and experience all kinds of different women, something so many American dudes on this forum do and you don't even need a large bankrole.

You choose the path and the outcome is squarely on your shoulders.

[pitt]

(04-08-2016 08:42 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 04:12 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Alright I'll explain....

Great post, man. But to quote the Joker, "All you care about is money"

While it's clearly obvious that there are countless financial opportunities in the US, there are other things that I, personally, value much more than career success. Socially and culturally speaking, the US is not my home and never can be. Forget about the terrible women for a second, it is nearly impossible to build genuine friendships here because people are highly superficial and put on fronts. If you are "redpill", then it's even worse.

I love the US, it's been really good to me, but it simply isn't congruent with my personality and character. Many others feel the same way. Shit, even Mexicans once they're done stacking their cash move back home because they can't stand the solitude!

All in all, yea I agree with you, it's a hell of a lot better than 99% of the world.

I agree with what you said apart from the making genuine friendships part. I think that applies everywhere, I doubt that it is easier to make meaningful relationships with Thais, Colombians or Dominicans. Actually friendships with those usually lack substance, they don't bring much to the table.

[VincentVinturi]

America as it was intended to be never existed.

It came somewhat close, and that era (roughly 1800s-1900s) ushered in the greatest prosperity the world has ever known.

However, the very things that made that prosperity possible -- such as a relatively unregulated economy and relatively small government -- are now gone.

I grew up in the USA in an upper middle class home.

I had a lot of opportunities but I mostly squandered them because I didn't know any better and I didn't really have to earn anything.

School was for morons, you'd have to be stupid not to get good marks.

They don't teach you shit and part of the problem is that most of the schools are government run.

That's the case in Thailand too, and arguably it's way worse here because they not only don't teach you to think, they actively discourage it!

Here's what's great about the USA:

The passport.

But it's a double-edged sword because US citizens are the only ones (except for Eritrean citizens) who get taxed even if they live abroad.

If you want to renounce your citizenship you have to pay for it, and the more you earn the more difficult it is to renounce.

They can even decline your renunciation application and continue milking you.

Everybody's going ape shit over the Panama papers.

Did it ever occur to all the Bernie Sanders crotch sniffers that the people who break their backs for an entire lifetime to earn their fortune and bequeath it to their families don't want to give 50% of it away to Uncle Sam to piss away on bullshit they don't agree with?

America has many pros and many cons.

But let's not get hung up quibbling about them.

The name of the game now is location independence and playing the sovereignty game by leveraging the benefits of other jurisdictions (like Panama/HK/Seychelles for incorporation, Thailand to live in, Singapore to bank in, St. Kitts for a second passport, etc.)

America as it was envisioned is truly a beautiful thing but what you see today is not THAT America.

You couldn't pay me to live in the US now.

What for?

So I can bust my ass, pay ridiculous taxes, deal with shitty American women, see fat slobs everywhere, and listen to liberal latté lappers uptalk about transgender iiiiisues?

I'm glad I have the passport but this America worship needs to stop; we need to call a spade a spade.

Also, let's not forget:

- The NSA is all up in your ass
- Americans have to report foreign bank accounts (FATCA)
- The IRS can ruin your life in a heartbeat (ask anybody who's been audited)
- The whole country is crawling with cops who have little accountability and harass the average citizen. At least in the 3rd world you can pay a small bribe and be on your way. But American cops are already well fed so they're "incorruptible".
- Highest incarceration rate in the world. Thank you prison-industrial complex. You ever been to jail in America? Ok, it's not jail in Uganda but it still fucking sucks and your likelihood of winding up there for utter bullshit skyrockets the minute you step on that soil.
- Homeland security. Ever gone through an American airport after disembarking from an int'l flight from say, Colombia? Prepare for sphincter penetration.
- Alimony, false rape accusations, divorce rape, child support, war on drugs, war on men, war on whites, war on heterosexuals

On the other hand America has some really awesome shit, I won't deny that.

But like I said, your first step should be expanding your horizons through travel and expanding your options through a successful location-independent business.

Then you can come and go as you please, enjoy what you want and eschew what you don't.

A few things I want to come back to the US for (briefly):

- Full blood test battery at Theranos or Wellness FX to get all my health shit sorted
- Brazilian jiu jitsu - California has arguably the best BJJ in the world
- See my fam

[Easy_C]

(04-08-2016 06:50 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

I know you are probably just joking, but for the record, Arnie allegedly has an IQ of 135.

High IQ doesn't mean you're "smart". There's plenty of people out there who have off the charts IQs but are not functionally or socially competent.

[Ringo]

(04-08-2016 04:12 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Alright I'll explain.

Brilliant post, a lot of it resonates with me.

I currently still live in Brazil, where I was born and raised, but I've been thinking more and more about moving to the U.S. Most of my family has already emigrated there and it's remarkable what they've managed to build in a couple of years.

It's indeed hard to explain but like Anabasis wrote, saying that money grows on trees in America is almost an understatement. The daily grind of bureaucracy, incompetence and corruption that one faces in a third world country is what really gets you. Every interaction with the government seems designed for the worst user experience possible. And that's without mentioning the quality of our public services (transportation, health) and of our dear politicians.

Every adult on both sides of my family is either an entrepreneur, self-employed or business owner. The amount of taxes they pay is remarkable and most of all the bureaucracy and the hurdles they have to go through means that you have to either be a masochist or a madman to open up a business here.

Just to add to the point, here's two examples.
Time required to start a company (data from the World Bank):
United States: 6 days
Brazil: 83 days

Ease of doing business (World Bank) - the lower the number the better:
Singapore: 1
United States: 6
Brazil: 116

[Different T]

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It's indeed hard to explain but like Anabasis wrote, saying that money grows on trees in America is almost an understatement.

It would be more accurate to state that in America: credit is easily obtained by going into debt (making a promise and being obligated to deliver something in the future), which was derived from the people themselves historically being capable of keeping promises. We shall see how much longer that lasts...

Here is what our elites feed American culture regarding promises and obligations today: https://youtu.be/wHhPuy-lCfI

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Most of my family has already emigrated there and it's remarkable what they've managed to build in a couple of years.

As Arnold can attest, steroids can increase growth. Though they do have certain effects on the immune system...

[Easy_C]

Not very long historically. American monetary systems have ALWAYS had a large number of bank failures, because banks would aggressively lend out credit and then whenever there was a run on the bank they were unable to meet their cash obligations and folded. The second national bank was created to address that.


One major problem this time is that we no longer have a real "reserve". The entire point of Federal Reserve as originally created was that it would be funded by bankers as a "reserve" against unexpected losses. Basically imagine if you local neighborhood association all donated some funds together to create an "emergency fund" to repair anyone's house that got burnt down and you've got the Federal Reserve.....catch is that no longer exists because the government began mandating their involvement in government debt, and they now exist to influence and manipulate the economy for political purposes.

What most people don't know is that the bank are being told behind the scenes that there will be no bailout this time: the money simply doesn't exist. We're in a much riskier situation now and I would imagine that is the real reason why most banks are shedding huge numbers of traders.

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It's indeed hard to explain but like Anabasis wrote, saying that money grows on trees in America is almost an understatement. The daily grind of bureaucracy, incompetence and corruption that one faces in a third world country is what really gets you. Every interaction with the government seems designed for the worst user experience possible. And that's without mentioning the quality of our public services (transportation, health) and of our dear politicians.

That's the thing: those trends are accelerating exponentially in America.

[Different T]

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That's the thing: those trends are accelerating exponentially in America.

The left (and apparently a number of "liberty-loving" right) believe humans are "noble-savages" and that socialization is a detrimental process of repression. The SJW shit is the latest outgrowth.

Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudo-Marxism

Here's different perspective:

Man appears, a screaming bundle of flesh, the outcome of mating. He is utterly helpless, his existence hangs upon the nursing he receives. (Bertrand de Jouvenel, The Pure Theory of Politics, Liberty Fund, 57)

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Interesting to hear all the different perspectives.

While I won't speculate on what the future may hold, a couple things still hold true in the US (particularly in states with good job prospects):

1. Hard work is rewarded. Those that show up to work and excel move up or get recruited to better positions for different companies.

2. If you seek advice and information to pick industries that are in demand, your path will be much easier. Getting out of the ones that will fail in the next decade is just as important if you happen to have been wrong about your initial assessment. This starts with picking a degree or trade to obtain your expertise and education.

3. The key to improving your social and economic status over the long term is living below your means for as long as it takes. Getting your money to work for you earlier rather than later is paramount to a successful future. Putting $30k cash into savings by the time you are 25 (or $60k by 30) makes life much less stressful if you have the discipline to avoid the pitfalls of a materialistic and consumer-driven society.

4. The modern day job market has changed. The days of staying with one company for an entire career and then retiring are pretty much over. These corporations aren't loyal. The job-hopper resume comes under much less scrutiny now, so long as you have solid interviewing skills. What this means is you may need to test the waters with many jobs lasting only a year throughout your mid to late 20's to determine your best course. This should allow you to lose the appearance and naivety of youth, and move to a greater position of strength and negotiation within the job market. By 35, you should be in your ideal industry and have a focused plan to carve out your revenue stream. That could be entrepreneurship, management, or any other big dream you once had. From then on you just need to continue to work each day and decide if you are good where you're at, or if things need to change.

5. Continued from #4, I'll say one more thing and make it the last. The opportunities here are endless for the passionate professional. So many people go to work for a paycheck, and live weekend to weekend, and check to check. When you open your eyes in the morning, if you consistently say to yourself "I don't want to go to work today." -It's time to find something that you'd rather be doing. Even if it's in a good industry or good money, find something else to do. You have to work too damn much in the states to hate your fucking job. Find something you like, and go get that life now. Change takes courage and risk, but it certainly is better than misery for money.

[Merenguero]

(04-09-2016 08:06 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 06:50 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

I know you are probably just joking, but for the record, Arnie allegedly has an IQ of 135.

High IQ doesn't mean you're "smart". There's plenty of people out there who have off the charts IQs but are not functionally or socially competent.

Agreed and they seem to exist by far more in California and New Jersey than anywhere else I've lived or been.

[Samseau]

I wish I could share the optimism of many others in this thread. When I was younger, I definitely felt like Anabasis but cold bitter experience has doused those flames.

I agree that America still has it better than most. I disagree that America is good. America being the best shit sandwich in a world of dogshit isn't exactly something to be proud of.

The vast majority of people I encounter aren't doing too hot. And I live in one of the richest parts of the USA. Many of my friends have made it, I am comfortable, but we're just lucky. I couldn't tell anyone how to replicate our successes.

I have a friend who is down and out, and he applied for instacart as a part-time job. He showed up for the interview, and there were twelve other applicants. Out of those twelve, 3 got the job. Sweet dear God almighty, how is the USA doing well when a fucking grocery shopper job can be so selective as to reject 75% of its applicants? This economy is FUBAR, this country is in deep shit. Right now everything is running on debt.

My experiences match the official stats, which is why the USA's M2 Money Velocity is in deep depression levels right now.

So yeah, America is still the best, but America has declined tremendously and unless Trump is elected it will get much worse in the future (and even Trump may be unable to do anything). The fact that America is the best is extremely ominous not just for the future of Western Civilization, but the rest of the world as well. If things do not turn around soon, we are going to find ourselves in a massive dark age by the end of our lifetimes. People will be unable to maintain technology, infrastructure, economy, military, etc.

Talk to any old man, they will tell you how much better things used to be in America, so just imagine how much worse things can get by the time we're old men.

[Different T]

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This economy is FUBAR, this country is in deep shit.

Or it is functioning as intended. Maybe this go around will convince some that Capitalism doesn't give a fuck about the idealism you project onto it. But that has a lower likelihood of success than pulling an AFC out of the fem-centric. You all have access to the analogy par-excellence (hypergamy), and still refuse to look around.

[Easy_C]

(04-09-2016 03:23 PM)Different T Wrote:  

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This economy is FUBAR, this country is in deep shit.

Or it is functioning as intended. Maybe this go around will convince some that Capitalism doesn't give a fuck about the idealism you project onto it. But that has a lower likelihood of success than pulling an AFC out of the fem-centric. You all have access to the analogy par-excellence (hypergamy), and still refuse to look around.

Neither. The giant sucking sound into the wallets of the "donors" is working as intended, but they're too myopic to see that they're detroying the economy in the process.

[Different T]

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they're too myopic to see that they're detroying the economy in the process.

What's funny is that if you spelled it correctly, I would've disagreed. But your Freudian slip is near-perfection.

[Baldwin81]

For a lot of native-born Americans it's gotten nothing but worse since the 1990's. You can still make money and there's plenty of opportunity, but therein lies the (((mindfuck))): It's almost not worth it to make a good living in this country anymore. Yes, the girls are easy. Millennial girls in particular are truly down for whatever. For this we give thanks, but the vast majority of women are either demented, fat, or both. While not at European levels, a good percentage of the men are passive-aggressive cucks. Everyone's distracted on their phones. They majority are in debt that they'll likely never pay. Almost any job is practically indentured servitude where you're supposed to eat shit like a good little house slave for some diabetic pigman. The low-level jobs are swamped with immigrants who will work for way less and never complain. People are medicated to the gills. The ones who aren't medicated are either A. Depressed or B. In the gym solely to avoid depression and to do ATM with the aforementioned millennial girls... It's a mentally retarded culture of obese, consumers distracted by their fucking phones.

I get it's easier to make money here than anywhere else. I will also concede that the best way to go is BE AN ENTREPRENEUR // FORGET THAT 9-5 LIFESTYLE // BE YOUR OWN BOSS. The majority of people aren't going to start up their own shop, and for the employee this shit is only going to get worse... The majority of the US is in a not-so-quiet desperation as this country's been strip-mined. Money's worth way less than even ten years ago, but it's "STILL BETTER THAN AFRICA..."

^ So fucking what that it's better than Africa, India, or wherever else? Do we get a Diversitopia Participation Trophy for that fucking bullshit??

Don't kid yourself that this bloated, degenerate, shithole of a Republic is only going to get worse and all the positive thinking, self improvement, and dank Pepe the Frog Trump memes aren't going to change a thing.

[LeoneVolpe]

People are governed by their own self-interest. Until it affects them directly, or hits a little too close to home for comfort, they're not likely to wake up from their delusion. Unfortunately, this means things will likely get a whole lot worse before they have any hope of getting better. The vast majority of people would seemingly rather accept a pretty lie than the ugly truth.

[muscless]

Fuck I feel sick right now...

I was just in line and I turn around and saw this fat young thing (woman) in a short dress with a 'you can do it' tattoo on her arm. It had a picture of a feminist flexing her bicep... Her ugly fat boyfriend was buying 2 copies of the new stars wars.



I don't think I can wait 2 more months to head back to the East. Where ever I go, feminine men and muscular women... I don't know if I'm stuck in a nightmare or what...

Seriously I don't know how you guys don't go crazy... Dogs meowing, cats barking..

[Not a Second Hander]

Does anybody have Anabasis' contact? I have been going through his posts today. He's my countryman and soul brother based on his posts.

PM me if you have any leads on how to contact him.

Thanks in advance,

NaSH

[Syberpunk]

A Carrington level event (solar flare) that leaves the majority of the globe dark for a few months at least that fries more or less all electronics and power grids (cars, hospitals, ATM's, social payments, hard drives).... and its going to happen. A good blast would and is going be the biggest calamity of our lifetimes.

I often wonder why its not discussed and every device has a mandatory faraday cage.

You think the USA and Europe is fun now? Wait until people come to face when they have to fight with the immigrants for food and water and they'll see how much the refugees came for the love of the country alone.

It'll be like a spell broken in a fantasy film, when we can't do anything electronically.

[nola]

(05-23-2018 06:13 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

A Carrington level event (solar flare) that leaves the majority of the globe dark for a few months at least that fries more or less all electronics and power grids (cars, hospitals, ATM's, social payments, hard drives).... and its going to happen. A good blast would and is going be the biggest calamity of our lifetimes.

I often wonder why its not discussed and every device has a mandatory faraday cage.

You think the USA and Europe is fun now? Wait until people come to face when they have to fight with the immigrants for food and water and they'll see how much the refugees came for the love of the country alone.

It'll be like a spell broken in a fantasy film, when we can't do anything electronically.

Hurricane Katrina aftermath + 325 million people....