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@ FebGun

Thanks for your describing things from your view. Do you think that, if the govt didn't do those checks and/or we removed the laws you mention at the federal level, things would change? Basically; left to their own motivations and drives, do you think the companies that most influence culture through advertising, etc. change the view they are pushing for America? Is the multi-cult view for the plebs the creation of the govt; or are govt, academia, and business all pushing the same dystopia because the very vast majority of them either believe in it or don't care.

And BTW, anyone who's been paying attention already knows that the tech co's want to have their own Moldbuggian sovcorps. And if you think that is somehow a statement that they aren't leftist, consider that Justine Tunney (OWS organizer) once tried to start a petition to have Google's CEO made dictator of America.

[FebGun]

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Yes, they will have that desire to rule.

However this CEO doesn’t have power beyond his corporation and as a matter of fact his business would never became a member corporation in a first place without protection from government.

What is Microsoft without software copyright legislature? And only state can inforce it.

What is Big Pharma without law that ban import and re-export drugs from abroad?

What is the rest of these corporations without thousands of laws that artificially elevate all standards for their products to keep startups and smaller competitors away from market?

I worked in one company that has 35K annual sale the first year and 220M sale 15 years later. Company was overwhelmed with all legal and compliance issues and was forced to sale itself to the huge corporation. And that corporation has ~ 50 lawyers in legal department. That corp could absorb any lawsuit.

Government creates monopolies.

These corporation are lobbing government for that. Several years ago a heard that Philip Morris announced that they are fully supporting ban of tobacco product advertisement on TV. And why not. Every child knows what Marlboro is. Philip Morris is not going to lose anything, but on another hand that ban on advertisement is a death sentence for smaller Different T competitors.

If Hitler would inherit office of Mother Teresa he wouldn’t be able to produce any harm to anybody because that office lacked any tools of coercion. But he inherited office of Counselor. There was nothing wrong with Germans. The problem was with central political authority that accumulated way too much tools of coercion. It was just waiting for the “right” person.

Clinton come and go, Bush come and go … the only thing that didn’t go anywhere is the authority accumulated in Executive Office. And it grows with every law. And its legitimacy propped by every vote doesn’t matter for whom.

Everything is just waiting to explode …

[Different T]

Great post.

Earlier you stated: "Corporations are not leftist. They are scared to death." I don't understand how you square that statement with the circle that is your latest post.

You also stated: "And if you think: 'Hell with that! I will stay on my moral principles!' then government can give a wink to one of its proxy-budgeted NGOs and they will bring a 'hostile environment on working place' lawsuit against you and you will bend. And it doesn’t matter what is your last name. Zukerberger or Cho."

You then state in this post: "Government creates monopolies. These corporation are lobbing government for that." Again, I don't understand how you are squaring these circles. Corps want to be monopolies, government can grant them that status, so they suck up to govt. The main complaint of the smaller competitors is what? That they aren't powerful enough to become a production apparatchik; errrr, I mean, Capitalist? Or do you expect us to believe that their competitors are somehow dissimilar?

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But he inherited office of Counselor. There was nothing wrong with Germans.

I don't get it.

Given this latest reply, I am interested to know your thoughts on this: "Place money (aka economic/materialistic control/power) as the core bond that binds human relations." How is that "acting" like a leftist, that is practically the definition of "leftist."

[All or Nothing]

(04-02-2016 03:23 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

There are no simple answers in life. But all the bolded ones belong to a certain tribe.

I think I finally have a good understanding of why Jewish people tend to appear when it comes to pushing leftist ideals.

I was reading about Abe Foxman who was a director at Anti-Defamation League and I found this video:

Essentially, the United States has obviously had a history of discrimination, including a high prevalence of anti-semitism. I'll admit that I feel prejudice to the "others" myself in varying degrees.

In order to combat this various anti-discrimination groups were put together by Jewish men, so they could attain the same level of acceptance and rights by the dominant Christian group. Following the Holocaust, it appears that the Jewish people were fueled by an increased desire combat discrimination at all levels in order to combat having to face an genocide event again.

So the leftist ideology is actually based upon an anti-discrimination ideology because at any point the dominant culture can revert back to their prejudices. If the dominant culture reverts back to its prejudices, which follows inherent human behavior, this puts all groups who are not part of the dominant group at risk of becoming second class citizens or even worse facing mass extermination events like the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the Inquisition, and many others that have occurred throughout history.

This is why I believe Jewish people tend to appear when anything anti-discrimination shows up. It is based on a survival instinct because as history shows us, when the dominant culture is overcome by a tribalistic impulse and loses their capacity as a whole to be tolerant of those outside of the group, everyone outside of the dominant group is at risk of losing life and liberty.

[Bill Brasky]

(04-02-2016 02:52 PM)The Truth Wrote:  

http://www.hrc.org/blog/breaking-more-th...rolina-rep

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Dear Governor McCrory,

We write with concerns about legislation you signed into law last week, HB 2, which has overturned protections for LGBT people and sanctioned discrimination across North Carolina. Put simply, HB 2 is not a bill that reflects the values of our companies, of our country, or even the overwhelming majority of North Carolinians.

We are disappointed in your decision to sign this discriminatory legislation into law. The business community, by and large, has consistently communicated to lawmakers at every level that such laws are bad for our employees and bad for business. This is not a direction in which states move when they are seeking to provide successful, thriving hubs for business and economic development. We believe that HB 2 will make it far more challenging for businesses across the state to recruit and retain the nation’s best and brightest workers and attract the most talented students from across the nation. It will also diminish the state’s draw as a destination for tourism, new businesses, and economic activity.

Discrimination is wrong and we believe it has no place in North Carolina or anywhere in our country. As companies that pride ourselves on being inclusive and welcoming to all, we strongly urge you and the leadership of North Carolina’s legislature to repeal this law in the upcoming legislative session.

Sincerely,

Karen Appleton, Senior Vice President, Box

Brandee Barker, Cofounder, The Pramana Collective

Marc Benioff, CEO, Salesforce

Chip Bergh, President and CEO, Levi Strauss & Co.

Michael Birch, Founder, Blab

Ed Black, President and CEO, Computer & Communications Industry Association

Nathan Blecharczyk, Cofounder and CTO, Airbnb

Steven R. Boal, CEO, Quotient Technology Inc.

Lorna Borenstein, CEO, Grokker

Brad Brinegar, Chairman and CEO, McKinney

Lloyd Carney, CEO, Brocade Communications Systems, Inc.

Brian Chesky, CEO, Airbnb

Ron Conway, Founder and Co-Managing Partner, SV Angel

Tim Cook, CEO, Apple

Dean Debnam, Chairman and CEO, Workplace Options

Jack Dorsey, CEO, Square and Twitter

David Ebersman, Cofounder and CEO, Lyra Health

Jared Fliesler, General Partner, Matrix Partners

Joe Gebbia, Cofounder and Chief Product Officer, Airbnb

Jason Goldberg, CEO, Pepo

Alan King, President and COO, Workplace Options

Kristen Koh Goldstein, CEO, BackOps

Mitchell Gold, co-founder and chair-man, Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams

John H. Graham IV, President and CEO, American Society of Association Executives

Logan Green, CEO, Lyft

Paul Graham, Founder, Y Combinator

David Hassell, CEO, 15Five

Charles H. Hill III, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Human Resources, Pfizer Inc.

Reid Hoffman, Chairman, LinkedIn

Robert Hohman, Cofounder & CEO, Glassdoor

Drew Houston, CEO, Dropbox

Chad Hurley, Cofounder, YouTube

Dave Imre, Partner and CEO, IMRE

Dev Ittycheria, President & CEO, MongoDB

Laurene Powell Jobs, President, Emerson Collective

Cecily Joseph, VP Corporate Responsibility and Chief Diversity Officer, Symantec Corporation

David Karp, Founder and CEO, Tumblr

Travis Katz, Founder and CEO, Gogobot

Brian Krzanich, CEO, Intel

Joshua Kushner, Managing Partner, Thrive Capital

Max Levchin, CEO, Affirm

Dion Lim, CEO, NextLesson

Shan-lyn Ma, CEO, Zola

Marissa Mayer, President and CEO, Yahoo

Melody McCloskey, CEO, StyleSeat

Douglas Merrill, CEO, Zestfinance

Dyke Messinger, President and CEO, Power Curbers Inc.

Hari Nair, Vice President and General Manager, Orbitz.com & CheapTickets.com

Michael Natenshon, CEO, Marine Layer

Alexi G. Nazem, Cofounder and CEO, Nomad Health

Laurie J. Olson, EVP, Strategy, Portfolio and Commercial Operations, Pfizer Inc.

Bob Page, Founder and CEO, Replacements, Ltd.

Michelle Peluso, Strategic Advisor and former CEO, Gilt

Sundar Pichai, CEO, Google

Mark Pincus, Founder and Executive Chairman, Zynga

Hosain Rahman, CEO, Jawbone

Bill Ready, CEO, Braintree

Evan Reece, CEO, Liftopia

Stan Reiss, General Partner, Matrix Partners

John Replogle, CEO, Seventh Generation

Virginia M. Rometty, Chairman, President and CEO, IBM Corporation

Dan Rosensweig, CEO, Chegg

Kevin P. Ryan, Founder and Chairman, Alleycorp

Bijan Sabet, General Partner, Spark Capital

Julie Samuels, President, Engine

George A. Scangos, PhD, CEO, Biogen

Dan Schulman, President and CEO, PayPal

Adam Shankman, Director and Producer

Gary Shapiro, President and CEO, Consumer Technology Association

David A. Shaywitz, MD, PhD, Chief Medical Officer, DNAnexus

Ben Silbermann, CEO, Pinterest

Brad Smith, President and Chief Legal Officer, Microsoft

Arne Sorenson, President and CEO, Marriott International

David Spector, Cofounder, ThirdLove

Jeremy Stoppelman, CEO, Yelp

Bret Taylor, CEO, Quip

Todd Thibodeaux, CEO, CompTIA

David Tisch, Managing Partner, BoxGroup

Nirav Tolia, Cofounder and CEO, Nextdoor

Kevin A. Trapani, President and CEO, The Redwood Groups

Ken Wasch, President, Software & Information Industry Association

Bob & Harvey Weinstein, Co-Founders and Co-Chairmen, The Weinstein Company

Mark Zuckerberg, Founder and CEO, Facebook

Reading this long list of CEOs got me thinking why major businesses support causes that inherently harbor anti-capitalist views. In other words, why are major corporations today such big adherents of leftist policies? This also includes everything from global warming to diversity/feminism. I'm pretty sure the majority of people who work at these 80 companies fit into the Bernie Sanders/"capitalism is inherently evil" mold. Yet they don't realize that they're supporting a cause that will ultimately hurt their companies and also their source of income?

Something just doesn't add up.

Consumers 140xs more likely to buy from liberal-sponsoring corporations
This is just a ranking of many major corporations found in the US, from liberal to conservative. Many of them leaned liberal. Only a few like Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, and Bass Pro Shops leaned conservative (no surprises there).


Why Corporations Are Seemingly Leftist
This is a blog post where the author tries to answer the same question. However, he comes to a conclusion that I believe is only half true:

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But worse, Gen X is the first generation and "SJW prototype" to have been brainwashed by leftist indoctrination as it pertains to businesses.

But reliably and predictably, despite all claiming to be "independent minded," the brainwashing in school and college worked. Today's business leaders really do think taking political positions on race, sex, privilege, the environment, etc., is a genuine and effective business strategy. They think bragging about how they hire "minorities" but not "the best" is a long term managerial strategy. They think donating 5% of their pre-tax profit (because a corporate tax rate of 40% just wasn't enough) will win people over.

Alas, this is the newest generation of business leaders. People who use "fads," "political correctness" and "leftism" to sell their products. And if you thought the Baby Boomers were bad business managers, just wait for these over-educdated, political-correct-crusaderist Gen X'ers to fully be at the helm.

I would agree with him, that the kids who have grown up in a heavily political educational system are now entering the business world. Just as planned, they are influencing that environment with the ideas they grew up hearing over and over again. However, I don't think that's all there is to this matter.



Liberal Corporations

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Anti-capitalist activists have always protested the usual suspects, banks and oil companies. It came as a shock to Google and other Silicon Valley tech employees to find themselves at the wrong end of a lefty San Francisco protest.

The actual protest, being left wing, is irrelevant. The real news is the reaction of the Silicon Valley employees. “I thought we were the good guys”, and “we’re trying to save the world too”, etc.

Many companies like Starbucks, Whole Foods and Hollywood studios have a liberal and progressive self-image. The keyword is self-image. The kids at Silicon Valley especially so. These companies try to hide their profit-maximizing, tax-avoiding capitalist practices. Not to mention their low-wage Asian factories, labor union prevention, pollution, etc. If consumers only knew that these liberal corporations were no more ‘ethical’ than Wal-Mart and Chevron.

This blog paints the image that it's more of a facade than anything else. Perhaps the SJW stuff is to keep the low and middle level employees distracted and docile, while the bigshots at the top who make the real decisions are more realistic/ruthless.

A few questions that I have are:
Why are all these corporations so organized and coordinated in their pro-SJW beliefs? It's like they're copying and pasting the same stuff over and over again.
Going into "conspiracy theory" territory, is it possible that these major corporations really are cooperating together behind the scenes to further their own agendas? Possibly with the government, in return for tax breaks or preferential statuses?
What is their true motive for doing this?
Does it really cause a significant increase in their profits? I really doubt it does, no average consumer really cares about a company's political stance over the convenience involved in buying their product. So then why do the companies do it?

This was just a list of my initial observations after looking into this topic. Definitely going to try to research this more. I'd like to hear your thoughts and observations too.

The fact is is that most leftists will put their money (even if lacking) where their mouths are. For as much as I despise most leftists, I have to give them credit for taking action.

If people on the right took about a quarter of the action that the left takes then the entire political landscape would change in an instant.

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The fact is is that most leftists will put their money (even if lacking) where their mouths are. For as much as I despise most leftists, I have to give them credit for taking action.

What examples are you thinking of when writing this? I am aware of SJW's getting people fired, but what successful boycotts (defined as declining sales, not the corp giving into the demands of SJWs) have they performed?

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If people on the right took about a quarter of the action that the left takes then the entire political landscape would change in an instant.

Again, what are you referring to? BLM, OWS, etc?

Or to ask it another way: are you saying the right should "act" like the left to become more right? That isn't how "fake it 'til you make it" works.