[Lizard King]

The right-left paradigm no longer applies to politics. The current paradigm is globalism-nationalism.

I thought this was well known here?

It is a confusing set up though, because if you're a nationalist, globalists will call you right wing.

And nationalists refer to supporters of globalism as lefties or liberals.

My theory is that the left-right paradigm is now used as a device by the pre-dominant political forces(globalists) to maintain a maelstrom of confusion among the populace.

Evidence in the lack of left-right in politics has been obvious for a long while now. Tony Blair was a globalist, but portrayed himself as left wing(not far from centre though) to appeal to sentimental voters(women and betas). David Cameron isn't right wing, he's a globalist, nothing he does makes his nation stronger.

In American politics the nationalist is obvious. The rest are all globalists.

[JWLZG]

(04-02-2016 03:23 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

There are no simple answers in life. But all the bolded ones belong to a certain tribe.

(04-03-2016 01:28 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

The CEO of Starbucks made veiled insults at Trump and his supporters at the Starbucks annual shareholder meeting a few days ago. The CEO's name is Howard Schultz, a German name but I thought his (((attitude))) didn't seemed very WASPish.

So I looked him up on Wiki.

Quote:

Schultz was born to a Jewish family[7] on July 19, 1953 in Brooklyn, New York,

Every. Fucking. Time.

Why, why do we always seem to point fingers at "TEH JOOS!!!!"

Is it not natural to stick together like glue and to defend yourself at every and all costs if every single community that you've settled, thrived in and been an indispensable pillar of, has tried to wipe you out over the past 2000 years?

I'm one of the last people who would stick up for organised religion, but they as a people typify the discipline and solidarity that can be garnered from following God.

[weambulance]

^

I have never looked too deeply into the Jews, so I don't know much about all that.

However, consider what you just said. If a group has been driven out or killed in every community they've been in for 2000 years, are you really going to say that everyone else is the problem? If everywhere you go people think you're a douchebag who should go away, I would suggest changing your behavior or just going off to be by yourself.

Also, I do see a problem with small groups putting group loyalty over loyalty to the nations they live in. You see, that makes them parasites. They get rich off the host nation, but they have no problem hurting it to further their own ends. Why would anyone trust a group that behaved that way? You don't get friendly with a tapeworm.

This is a subset of the multiculturalism problem. Nations work best when they are of one culture with a high level of trust. When you have one main culture, and seventeen smaller distinct cultures all with low levels of trust and with the smaller cultures devoted to attacking and destroying the main culture, the "nation" is going to work very poorly indeed.

Jews set themselves apart from us, they are not forced to be. When (in America) the question Jews ask about every policy issue is "Is this good for the Jews?" and not "Is this good for America?" it's pretty obvious they do not consider themselves part of our nation, but just live here because this is where the money is. Why should I feel any loyalty or trust toward them?

[262]

^ You should feel loyalty or trust to nobody except those you know personally and have earned it.

Even if you managed to remove a certain group at the top of society, the only thing that would happen is that another group would take their place.

And everyone under them would hate them.

[A.S]

Who here actually read the bill or a full explanation of what's in it? It's not a good bill, with lots of pork, going way beyond already somewhat contentious bathroom issue as the bill restricts, somewhat severely, ability of local governments to make their own rules for not-essential areas. Opposition to such a law doesn't have to come from a place of leftism or globalism. Familiarize yourself with the bill beyond buzzwords before commenting.

[Peregrine]

(04-04-2016 01:08 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

^

I have never looked too deeply into the Jews, so I don't know much about all that.

However, consider what you just said. If a group has been driven out or killed in every community they've been in for 2000 years, are you really going to say that everyone else is the problem? If everywhere you go people think you're a douchebag who should go away, I would suggest changing your behavior or just going off to be by yourself.

Also, I do see a problem with small groups putting group loyalty over loyalty to the nations they live in. You see, that makes them parasites. They get rich off the host nation, but they have no problem hurting it to further their own ends. Why would anyone trust a group that behaved that way? You don't get friendly with a tapeworm.

This is a subset of the multiculturalism problem. Nations work best when they are of one culture with a high level of trust. When you have one main culture, and seventeen smaller distinct cultures all with low levels of trust and with the smaller cultures devoted to attacking and destroying the main culture, the "nation" is going to work very poorly indeed.

Jews set themselves apart from us, they are not forced to be. When (in America) the question Jews ask about every policy issue is "Is this good for the Jews?" and not "Is this good for America?" it's pretty obvious they do not consider themselves part of our nation, but just live here because this is where the money is. Why should I feel any loyalty or trust toward them?

Or it could be that humans are naturally envious and hate others that are more successful than them. When it's a group (especially a racial/ethnic group, because those are easily identifiable through physical traits), people assume they got rich by stealing and run them out of town. Throughout history, Jews were always given the shit tasks that were distasteful but necessary. And through hard work, intelligence, and brotherhood, values that we espouse, Jews manage to turn lead into gold time and time again.

This is clearly not a popular opinion on RVF, but I've always been wary of nationalism. 262 said it well. I only trust people who've earned it. Am I supposed to trust someone just because they're American? That would include all of the SJWs. I feel more affinity to an RVF member from another country than a rabid leftist who happens to share my passport.

By us banding together towards a common goal irrespective of nationality, are we not doing the same as the Jews are doing? They are fiercely loyal to their people and their friends.

[A.S]

My position on the "bathroom issue" got shaken up after learning that some women can look like 100% men today in fitness shots (don't know about surgery, but obviously on T). The best I can come up with for now, excluding expensive "3rd bathroom everywhere" solution, is:

0. People with penises should not be allowed in woman's bathrooms.
1. People without penises (incl. post-op M2F) can use woman's bathrooms.

This leaves Transvestites/pre-op M2F going into a men's bathroom and taking on an increased risk of getting beat up. Not the best of the worlds, but the only balance I see at the moment apart from an expensive "3rd bathroom" solution. This also leaves guy's bathroom used by butch lesbians trying to make a point/fight #patriarchy and F2Ms which, if done occasionally, wouldn't bother me (and I extrapolate to other guys) too much. If a problem arises, LE should be able to make a call whether the use was "justified" and a possible penalty should be small.

A big problem with "extreme" bills like HB2 is that they galvanize the opposition because they are so "in-your-face" and without a hint of nuance.

HB2: http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bil...F/H2v1.pdf
Charlotte's Observer: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

[weambulance]

I'm not disputing that humans are naturally tribal. I'm saying that for a nation to work well, the nation should be the foremost tribe for the citizens in it. And if smaller tribes want to infiltrate and suck the larger tribe's blood--regardless of who they are--they should be stopped. I don't see how anyone can honestly argue that cultural parasitism is okay. We're not talking about symbiosis, here.

America is split into a dozen factions because of ~100 years of social engineering that originated in the schools and has spread into every aspect of our society. So, at this point, America is hardly what I would call a properly functioning nation of a single culture, and thus it's unsurprising that you wouldn't feel any great loyalty to it.

I find it very hard to believe that the Jews had nothing to do with their troubles. It simply strains credulity past the breaking point that they would, through no fault of their own other than their sheer awesomeness, have their asses kicked repeatedly for 2000 years. You know what the Mormons did when they got their asses kicked a few times? They moved out west and started their own community away from the people who didn't like them. That seems to have worked out pretty well for them--it's been over 150 years since the last serious Mormon problems--and they managed that feat in like 50 years.

I don't give a shit about the Jews, I bear them no ill will, and as I said I haven't looked much into them. But nobody's going to convince me that the Jews have suffered 2000+ years of persecution everywhere they go for no reason at all. It simply does not make sense, especially if they were--as claimed--"indispensable pillars" of those communities. In all that time, no ruler thought "Man, these Jews are great to have around, with all the shit they turn into gold! I'm going to invite them all to live here and help make my country great!"? So either they haven't been as persecuted as they claim (I don't know) or they make self destructive choices that contribute in some respect to their problems.

I have a good example of the sort of self destructive crap I'm talking about: Jews in America often support gun control. Oh, there are some Jewish organizations that are pro-gun, like JPFO, but the overwhelming majority of Jews support requiring government permission to own guns. For such smart people, I'm surprised at their ignorance of history.

Perhaps the real difference that explains why Mormons have been just fine and the Jews have been getting the stuffing knocked out of them is the Mormons said "Fuck this, we'll go start our own, better place!" and the Jews have, for the most part, never done that. About as many Jews live in America alone as live in Israel. Why? Why is it when given the choice, the majority of Jews would rather not go live in their own country, where they can be left alone and be awesome? This is all speculation, you understand, but it sure is strange behavior from such long-persecuted people.

[TigerMandingo]

It's a subject for another thread, but the whole "Jews have been perpetual victims for millenia" story is actually wildly exaggerated. Historian Israel Shahak, himself Jewish, documented that Jews had it better than any native population among whom they lived.

[Peregrine]

I don't think the Jews represent a smaller tribe that is leeching off the larger tribe, but perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree as the discussion is off topic. Just had to say something against the Jew hate. Some of my best friends are Jewish.

[redpillage]

The list posted above should remind us all as to what Trump is up against - basically a wide cross section of corporate America. Which is why I am very skeptical/pessimistic about Trump making it to the finish line. It's basically corporate America plus a whole generation of SJWs against 'regular folks' between the coastal states who are being handed the shaft for decades now. I would love to think that Trump makes it but 'the list' is quite a reality check as to where we are and where we're heading.

Time to find a quiet island and check out of the Matrix. I've been around long enough and have a pretty good idea how it all ends up. Hint: Blood and tears galore...

[Captainstabbin]

Paypal announced today that they were planning on building a facility in North Carolina but now they aren't. Can't wait for every company on that list to announce similar phantom plans in the near future.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

SJWs are ecstatic over corporations (which they supposedly hate) bullying a state that hasn't indulged them.

WBTV Wrote:

Backlash over PayPal decision to cancel NC expansion

Supporters of HB2 are crying foul by arguing that PayPal is being hypocritical because it already does business in countries with documented human rights issues, like Cuba, China, and Saudi Arabia.

Pastor Mark Harris leads First Baptist Church uptown and has been a vocal supporter of HB2. He calls the decision by PayPal concerning based on Cuba’s human rights record.

“How do you balance that out? Leaving Charlotte, North Carolina and investing in Cuba?” he said.

Pittenger, who is traveling to discuss terrorism funding with South American leaders, released a statement saying, “PayPal does business in 25 countries where homosexual behavior is illegal… yet they object to the North Carolina legislature overturning a misguided ordinance about letting men in to the women’s bathroom? Perhaps PayPal would like to try and clarify this seemingly very hypocritical position.”

http://www.wbtv.com/story/31651115/backl...-expansion

We live in very dark times.

Charlotte Observer Wrote:

PayPal withdraws plans for Charlotte expansion over HB2

“Companies like PayPal who are pushing their radical bathroom policies on states like North Carolina should think twice before they assert themselves into the policy decisions of the state,” said Tami Fitzgerald, executive director of North Carolina Values Coalition.

And Michele Nix, vice chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party, accused PayPal of “corporate hypocrisy and bullying,” citing the company’s past violations of economic sanctions on Cuba, Sudan and Iran.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/bu...01502.html

[ball dont lie]

(04-03-2016 04:25 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

The right-left paradigm no longer applies to politics. The current paradigm is globalism-nationalism.

I thought this was well known here?

It is a confusing set up though, because if you're a nationalist, globalists will call you right wing.

And nationalists refer to supporters of globalism as lefties or liberals.

My theory is that the left-right paradigm is now used as a device by the pre-dominant political forces(globalists) to maintain a maelstrom of confusion among the populace.

Evidence in the lack of left-right in politics has been obvious for a long while now. Tony Blair was a globalist, but portrayed himself as left wing(not far from centre though) to appeal to sentimental voters(women and betas). David Cameron isn't right wing, he's a globalist, nothing he does makes his nation stronger.

In American politics the nationalist is obvious. The rest are all globalists.

This is the best way to think about politics and life in general now.

Who is interested in their better lives for the people around them. They are your friends.

GM/Ford wants to move to Mexico but somehow the guys who just lost their livelihoods are voting Democrat because Republicans are bad. Even with someone like Trump who wants to tax GM if they import from Mexico, Republicans are bad. The brainwashing is complete, down to their souls.

[ball dont lie]

(04-06-2016 04:14 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

SJWs are ecstatic over corporations (which they supposedly hate) bullying a state that hasn't indulged them.

WBTV Wrote:

Backlash over PayPal decision to cancel NC expansion

Supporters of HB2 are crying foul by arguing that PayPal is being hypocritical because it already does business in countries with documented human rights issues, like Cuba, China, and Saudi Arabia.

Pastor Mark Harris leads First Baptist Church uptown and has been a vocal supporter of HB2. He calls the decision by PayPal concerning based on Cuba’s human rights record.

“How do you balance that out? Leaving Charlotte, North Carolina and investing in Cuba?” he said.

Pittenger, who is traveling to discuss terrorism funding with South American leaders, released a statement saying, “PayPal does business in 25 countries where homosexual behavior is illegal… yet they object to the North Carolina legislature overturning a misguided ordinance about letting men in to the women’s bathroom? Perhaps PayPal would like to try and clarify this seemingly very hypocritical position.”

http://www.wbtv.com/story/31651115/backl...-expansion

We live in very dark times.

Charlotte Observer Wrote:

PayPal withdraws plans for Charlotte expansion over HB2

“Companies like PayPal who are pushing their radical bathroom policies on states like North Carolina should think twice before they assert themselves into the policy decisions of the state,” said Tami Fitzgerald, executive director of North Carolina Values Coalition.

And Michele Nix, vice chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party, accused PayPal of “corporate hypocrisy and bullying,” citing the company’s past violations of economic sanctions on Cuba, Sudan and Iran.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/bu...01502.html

Globalists have complete control over media. If a person reads newspapers, looks at Facebook, over time their minds are infected. I feel blessed to be in China and not have to worry about this shit. Think about how crazy that is.

One of my coworkers lost his shit on me a few days ago since Im a proud Trump supporter. He said he has taken the high ground, he has taken the moral standpoint. A few minutes later he said Republicans should be murdered. He would murder Trump if he could. That type of insanity is common place now. All major positions in business and politics are sociopaths and its not even hypocrisy for them. They are robots. They don't feel anything lying to your face.

I remember in the 80's when I was a kid, if someone said in public they would murder someone because they said something they didn't like, everyone in a room would look at them. That was only for deranged psychopaths. Now its on millions of Facebook pages so people think its OK to say. Honestly I told my parents to consider retiring abroad and focus on their health. Exercise every day, eat healthy food, go somewhere without all this insane politics.

[Seth_Rose]

After I saw this I was instantly curious to see which of these companies, who are so fond of the LGBT community and the welfare of gay people, were salivating to get their businesses into Iran following the lifting of sanctions, or in general. One could also look up to see if they do business in other strict Muslim countries.

If I had time I'm sure I could dig up a lot of dirt, but a quick Google search yielded:

-Apple in Talks to Sell iPhone in Iran (http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-in-tal...1414604199)
-Airbnb CEO wants to expand into Iran -- seriously (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/colum.../27672975/)
-PayPal To Pay $7.7M For Violating US Sanctions Against Iran, Cuba, Sudan (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/colum.../27672975/)

And for reference, "Homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, or by execution." (Though oddly, Iran has more sex change operations than anywhere in the world...).

[storm]

(04-02-2016 02:52 PM)The Truth Wrote:  

why are major corporations today such big adherents of leftist policies?

Because it is trendy.

[Different T]

If this thread had a baby with "Is Hollywood Run like a Satanic Cult" thread...

[Troll King]

One thing that hasn't been pointed out is high-cost vs. low-cost of entry.

Just glancing at this list it becomes obvious that most of these companies are low-cost of entry.

For example, oil companies may play to liberal interests with ads related to environmentalism but that is just PR.

The reason the companies push the SJW message is to raise the cost of entry through regulations and imagery.

They are far more afraid of a creative college dropout running a server in a dorm room or their parents garage then they are of blue haired cunts on Twitter with problem glasses.

One might be a week of bad publicity, the other can dethrone their market share or potentially make them go the way of Friendster.

Not to mention that many of their potential start-up competitors are young and often barely out of the college scene themselves at most. It is harder to turn down a buy out option when your start up is in a dorm room being run by roommates who can't afford all the social-based regs and the people offering the buyout come with the image of being the "good guys".

[Different T]

Are you familiar with Marx's conception of Capitals (centers of Capital/private property accumulation) and the competition that takes place between Capitals?

This is relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin..._the_State

[Laru]

Apparently Bruce Springsteen is going full retard as well. The band is cancelling their show, to display solidarity with the "freedom fighters" fighting the good fight to end bigotry in North Carolina. This absolutely blows my mind that these people can be called freedom fighters. The only thing they are fighting for is to be free of common sense and morals. These people are not able to look through their own limited surroundings to see what is going on in the rest of the world and how it affects them. They are being "oppresed" by not being able to use the bathroom, while others are truly being pushed down by governments more supportive of immigrants than their own population, etc.

Late cancellations are always a bitch move to pull. I wonder how many people took time from work or other endeavors to go see this concert and instead have to make other plans now.

You can read the full statement here: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/bruce-sp...19126.html

"As you, my fans, know I’m scheduled to play in Greensboro, North Carolina this Sunday. As we also know, North Carolina has just passed HB2, which the media are referring to as the “bathroom” law. HB2 — known officially as the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act — dictates which bathrooms transgender people are permitted to use. Just as important, the law also attacks the rights of LGBT citizens to sue when their human rights are violated in the workplace. No other group of North Carolinians faces such a burden. To my mind, it’s an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress. Right now, there are many groups, businesses, and individuals in North Carolina working to oppose and overcome these negative developments. Taking all of this into account, I feel that this is a time for me and the band to show solidarity for those freedom fighters. As a result, and with deepest apologies to our dedicated fans in Greensboro, we have canceled our show scheduled for Sunday, April 10th. Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards."

[Captainstabbin]

(04-09-2016 11:10 AM)Laru Wrote:  

Late cancellations are always a bitch move to pull. I wonder how many people took time from work or other endeavors to go see this concert and instead have to make other plans now.

So, to protest the actions of politicians, he's punishing his fans. The same people who are probably opposed to the law.

Fuck Bruce. Dude hasn't been relevant since the 80s. What's next, KC and the Sunshine band going to boycott?

[Different T]

Quote:

If this thread had a baby with "Is Hollywood Run like a Satanic Cult" thread...

It's dropping into the birth canal...

[Grit]

You make a feminist or a gay guy the CEO and pretty much guarantee that they will be pushing for their blanket acceptance. You make a first generation immigrant a CEO and now he empathizes with softening immigration.

That about covers 70% of the list, Jews included.

The rest of the CEOs rely on foreign workforces or foreign customer markets. That would explain why this election is not so much liberal vs conservative so much as it is nationalist vs globalist. I think Trump could be stronger on these companies that milk free cows in China and the third world.

[Off The Reservation]

So a state passes a law that says if you are a man you have to use the mens room and can't go try to get a peek at little girls peeing. I got that part and wasn't surprised or upset. I just thought it was kind of sad it had to come to that.

So then comes a lot of media and "corporate" anger directed towards North Carolina as if they had somehow done something terrible like taken away black's right to vote or brought back color restricted lunch counters. So I re-checked the law and still it was this well meaning clarification only, nothing terrible.

Then like OP I wondered why the need for these "corporations" to get triggered and act as if though they must speak up or else. I looked at this first list. Then it hit me, other than Jabra and Levis, none of these "corporations" make anything. They just direct behavior, interfere with people's lives through a platform, or otherwise "influence." They all have fantasy values on the stock market. They are heavily invested in control over people's lives. For me they have nothing to do with Capitalism or freedom and everything to do with tracking people, driving people and acting as the government's long arm of fascism.

The real message of this simple law was for the State of North Carolina to say to people that 2+2 is 4 and you do not need to be bullied into accepting behaviors that are offensive to your upbringing, without making those behaviors illegal behind closed doors. It also made each city comply with State Law instead of creating a free for all where each city could have different bathroom laws. But the defenders of the bullies came out in force with their big names and huge power.

Meanwhile, in other news, some of those very companies (facebook) are providing information to the German government on who is posting unacceptable views so that they can get a visit from the secret police and have their lives ruined for saying the wrong thing. Does anyone doubt that when the time comes this list of "corporations" will have the slightest bit of interest in protecting individual rights against tyranny? No, but they will be there in force against you if you dare say that you don't want your daughter spied on in the toilet by a cross dressing freak with a cool social media profile.