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(04-02-2016 07:17 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-02-2016 09:24 AM)rw95 Wrote:  

"What are you doing with those genetics besides bitching on the internet?"

This is a common argument and a false one. I'm not 1488, far from it, but while taking pride in an ethnic heritage might seem cheap to you, it is also something white Europeans (and those of that heritage) desperately NEEDS.

There's a reason ethnic/national pride doesn't resonate with any ethnicity/nationality as much as someone like Donald Trump does.

Both Donald Trump and ethnic/national pride do talk about certain aspects of the past being great.

But where Donald Trump succeeds, and where ethnic/national pride fails, is that Donald focuses more on the future.

It's "Make America Great Again," not "America Was Great."

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(04-02-2016 11:51 PM)Street Justice Wrote:  

(04-02-2016 04:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If these guys wanted to be the supposed "storm vanguard" of white civilization why don't they start by taking an active role mopping up the streets of Europe first instead of jacking off over sick burn internet memes.

Less than a century ago, Adolf Hitler wrote sick memes from prison and within 15 years some 1488 types were mopping up the streets of Europe. It's not unprecedented.

Not unprecedented, but not common either.

Last I checked, most guys writing sick memes from prison amounted to nothing.

[Street Justice]

(04-03-2016 05:01 AM)262 Wrote:  

Not unprecedented, but not common either.

Last I checked, most guys writing sick memes from prison amounted to nothing.

That is true, however, people these days usually don't encourage them to take it to the streets. That is what I found interesting to see.

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(04-03-2016 08:01 AM)Street Justice Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 05:01 AM)262 Wrote:  

Not unprecedented, but not common either.

Last I checked, most guys writing sick memes from prison amounted to nothing.

That is true, however, people these days usually don't encourage them to take it to the streets. That is what I found interesting to see.

They get away with encouraging it because it mostly amounts to nothing, regardless of the encouragement.

[Aurini]

RamZPaul jumps in:

[Mr West]

I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I am not white and I happen to visit a lot of these "alt-right" sites even before I knew they were called alt-right. I think they make an excellent point with regards to many things: specially about the power of social cohesiveness within a group (in fact I have come to stop viewing evolution from an individual standpoint and more as a collective phenomena).

But regardless of all the red pills they are able to drop on race, the people pulling the strings, etc, social cohesiveness they lose me precisely when they begin to delve into low iq race bitching.

Example:

They have written 5,000 pages with evidence that "the jews did it". Great. Why don't we put our brain powers towards analyzing their strengths as a group, the factors in their religion, culture, way of life that allows them to have both extreme social cohesiveness and also filter for favorable genes of intelligence, hard work, determination, etc?

No lets keep bitching.

You want to unite white people. Great. Except that your biggest enemy by and large are "white people" that have no qualms of working against their own interest due to brainwashing/a fat paycheck. In other words the label "white people" is too broad, the group you want to unite has to be a lot more specific and not so autistic that is merely based on skin color, you need get more specific and unite a "tribe", a concrete group of people. To do this you need to put in the work and find exactly what will be the social fabric uniting this hypothetical tribe. Let's get working?

No I have to talk about low iq moslems.

I could keep going and going but I think most people get the point. Maybe I am being a little too harsh (since the movement seems relatively young), but my point is that if these people are serious about their goal of uniting "their people" they will need to do more than just spout "the white race was great until the the jews". In fact they will need to get a lot more cunning, and they simply don't seem willing to make the jump.

[El Chinito loco]

(04-02-2016 11:51 PM)Street Justice Wrote:  

(04-02-2016 04:28 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If these guys wanted to be the supposed "storm vanguard" of white civilization why don't they start by taking an active role mopping up the streets of Europe first instead of jacking off over sick burn internet memes.

Less than a century ago, Adolf Hitler wrote sick memes from prison and within 15 years some 1488 types were mopping up the streets of Europe. It's not unprecedented.

If you want to take out a magnifying glass and narrow everything down to the smallest and most improbable exception in history then yes that is a possibility. It's especially improbable when that person already rose up in history and was brutally defeated and the people who followed that order paid the price and an entire new world order was paved over that memory.

It's especially important in this new era that Europe maintain its identity but when the so called standard bearers are busy sacrificing individuals who are mostly about basic principles like preservation of masculinity and traditional values then it's self defeating.

Noone takes 1488'ers seriously except themselves and maybe the various Jewish groups who take people like this seriously to push their own agenda for financing and to clamp down on opposition politics and free speech. Like I said before when you look at the 1488 rhetoric it's the most extreme interpretation of events and reality to the extent that it's the same as extreme liberal SJWs except bent to the other end of the political spectrum.

It's like suffering from the same mental illness but having a different plotline.

[Aurini]

(04-03-2016 01:15 PM)Mr West Wrote:  

I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I am not white and I happen to visit a lot of these "alt-right" sites even before I knew they were called alt-right. I think they make an excellent point with regards to many things: specially about the power of social cohesiveness within a group (in fact I have come to stop viewing evolution from an individual standpoint and more as a collective phenomena).

But regardless of all the red pills they are able to drop on race, the people pulling the strings, etc, social cohesiveness they lose me precisely when they begin to delve into low iq race bitching.

I completely agree, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

These days I can't tell who it is that's insulting me on twitter; whether it's the SJW/aGGro crowd; the GamerGate/Thunderf00t crowd; or the 1488 crowd. They all send me the exact same insults for entirely different political reasons, but their moral motivation is no different than the sort of mobbing you seen in grade school; a pathetic urge to feel better than somebody else.

It's important to keep two things in mind:

1) The voices attacking you (or attacking non-whites in the case of the Alt Right and 1488) are going to be the loudest and the shrillest, but this doesn't make them the majority.

2) Those who are on your side aren't going to immediately defend you, turning it into a shouting match between idiots.

In the case of the Alt Right, very few of the writers and/or YouTubers within it are interested in directly fighting the 1488 crowd. For one thing they're vicious, and they love attacking their own; why expose oneself to the possible doxxing? Second, there's the principle of "Never punch right"; even though these guys are acting like cunts, attacking them runs the risk of turning oneself into a typical cuckservative, begging the liberals for a pass on racism. Finally, it's just poor form; people don't read my stuff or watch my videos for cheap drama, but for the intellectual depth.

So rather than directly replying to the 1488 crowd, I'm more likely to put together an argument explaining that an improvement in the Black community - economically, socially, et cetera - ultimately benefits the white community. More wealth (as opposed to welfare) leads to more stable behaviour, and collaboration between White and Black America.

The voices screaming the loudest, and being the most insulting, are an extreme minority - I don't even think it's all of those who identify as 1488, many of them (I suspect) are quite civil and capable of dialogue. The movement needs to persevere despite these voices, ignoring and overcoming them, rather than losing hope because of a few idiots that want welfare for white people.

[Blaster]

(04-03-2016 01:15 PM)Mr West Wrote:  

I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I am not white and I happen to visit a lot of these "alt-right" sites even before I knew they were called alt-right. I think they make an excellent point with regards to many things: specially about the power of social cohesiveness within a group (in fact I have come to stop viewing evolution from an individual standpoint and more as a collective phenomena).

But regardless of all the red pills they are able to drop on race, the people pulling the strings, etc, social cohesiveness they lose me precisely when they begin to delve into low iq race bitching.

What exactly do you mean by "low iq race bitching?"

[Requiem]

^He's uncomfortable with inconvenient statistical evidence.

[Requiem]

(04-03-2016 12:44 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

RamZPaul jumps in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnbREcG30Dg

Yeah, I saw that. He might be starting to become senile. He's been talking about the importance of nations for white people for years but then he goes and calls White Nationalism a cult? The dislikes-to-likes ratio doesn't surprise me one bit and neither do the comments. He should get his terms straight or maybe pop some Memantine. He's starting to become suspicious for the infighting he triggers. Still a fan for now but will drop if he turns on us more.

Choice comments:

[Aurini]

(04-04-2016 02:32 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 12:44 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

RamZPaul jumps in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnbREcG30Dg

Yeah, I saw that. He might be starting to become senile. He's been talking about the importance of nations for white people for years but then he goes and calls White Nationalism a cult? The dislikes-to-likes ratio doesn't surprise me one bit and neither do the comments. He should get his terms straight or maybe pop some Memantine. He's starting to become suspicious for the infighting he triggers. Still a fan for now but will drop if he turns on us more.

Choice comment:

Indeed. One of the problems with the prevalence of Anonymous on the Internet (as opposed to 1850's Europe) is trying to figure out what's being said sincerely, what's being said by idiots, what's being said by subversives trying to undermine the movement, and what's being said by sincere people responding to idiots who are responding to subversives in a black hole of "Nobody actually believes that."

I've had a few different reactions to the 1488 crowd over the years (and in fact, I'm quite relieved that we finally have a term to describe them). While I'm sympathetic, or in outright agreement, with many of their ideas, I have often received some rather shabby treatment from White Nationalist circles; personally I credit this to their lack of understanding of women, and their propensity to pedestalize the female 7s that join their movement for the obvious reasons.

Same thing could be said about the Libertarians, incidentally; it's far too common of a problem in groups period, not just with the WNs.

Then the attacks on Roosh incensed me. While I can certainly understand their skepticism, the ones I spoke with refused to listen to reason. Sure, Roosh could have been a bit friendlier with them - replying sarcastically that "I'm not white, why should I care?" certainly didn't lead to dialogue - but given their refusal to dialogue with me, I can't blame him for calling them on it from the outset.

As has been noted, their criticisms of his work are identical to the feminist criticisms; they are completely without merit, and to a certain extent a projection of fears over the Cologne rapes.

Since that time, however, I've seen very little of that form of negativity coming from their circles. The Alt Right has settled back into being civilized once more, which really leads me to question just who these voices were who were attacking Roosh, or attacking me in the past. Were they significant? Were the false flags? Either way, it's become an argument I'd much rather avoid having. I don't want to shoot at the 1488s and catch some WNs in the crossfire; I prefer to keep my weapons trained on the SJWs and feminists...

...that said, I also don't trust many people to have my flank; my trench is not open on the sides.

[Requiem]

(04-04-2016 02:59 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Since that time, however, I've seen very little of that form of negativity coming from their circles. The Alt Right has settled back into being civilized once more, which really leads me to question just who these voices were who were attacking Roosh, or attacking me in the past. Were they significant? Were the false flags?

The fags that attacked Roosh were somewhat numerous, but they certainly didn't represent all of the Alt-Right and - although hard to tell really - I'd guess not even the majority of the Alt-Right by far. They are pretty much the ones that overlap with the White Knight/Feminist types that have been infiltrating us for far too long. But the rest of us are really starting to lose our patience with them. Andrew Anglin from The Daily Stormer came to Roosh's defense with an article at that time. The types who attacked Roosh were for example Shiksa Goddess, who more and more outed herself as a crazy feminist flat-earther anti-vaccination bitch and was recently purged from the movement in a way. If you're bored, check out the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXe6JLSvENQ

Contrary to what I expected to happen, it seems like the Alt-Right is getting its shit together. Let's not give up on it just yet and don't let the false flag homos spoil your image of the movement.

[Aurini]

(04-04-2016 03:13 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 02:59 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Since that time, however, I've seen very little of that form of negativity coming from their circles. The Alt Right has settled back into being civilized once more, which really leads me to question just who these voices were who were attacking Roosh, or attacking me in the past. Were they significant? Were the false flags?

The fags that attacked Roosh were somewhat numerous, but they certainly didn't represent all of the Alt-Right and - although hard to tell really - I'd guess not even the majority of the Alt-Right by far. They are pretty much the ones that overlap with the White Knight/Feminist types that have been infiltrating us for far too long. But the rest of us are really starting to lose our patience with them. Andrew Anglin from The Daily Stormer came to Roosh's defense with an article at that time. The types who attacked Roosh were for example Shiksa Goddess, who more and more outed herself as a crazy feminist flat-earther anti-vaccination bitch and was recently purged from the movement in a way. If you're bored, check out the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXe6JLSvENQ

Contrary to what I expected to happen, it seems like the Alt-Right is getting its shit together. Let's not give up on it just yet and don't let the false flag homos spoil your image of the movement.

Link?

[Requiem]

^PM

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(04-04-2016 12:06 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 01:15 PM)Mr West Wrote:  

I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I am not white and I happen to visit a lot of these "alt-right" sites even before I knew they were called alt-right. I think they make an excellent point with regards to many things: specially about the power of social cohesiveness within a group (in fact I have come to stop viewing evolution from an individual standpoint and more as a collective phenomena).

But regardless of all the red pills they are able to drop on race, the people pulling the strings, etc, social cohesiveness they lose me precisely when they begin to delve into low iq race bitching.

What exactly do you mean by "low iq race bitching?"

I think he's tired of these guys implying everything is attributable to race and IQ, and has nothing to do with socialism versus hard work.

[El Chinito loco]

So where are all these hardcore 1488 guys at when a bunch of ghetto trash and rappers are blocking off roads in France?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a64_1459808583

..Oh wait that's right they are too busy jacking off on the internet and attacking other conservatives to do anything.

[cubanlinx]

@El Chinito Loco, it's fucking stupid to block off the road, but it is to shoot a rap video, just saying.
Tho what that song gon' be bout is anybody's guess.

[Blaster]

(04-04-2016 02:17 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

^He's uncomfortable with inconvenient statistical evidence.

Well, it can be a valid objection, but without a specific example it's hard for me to know how best to respond.

[Requiem]

RamZ is doubling down on his recent video. More dislikes, more negative comments. He's melting in real-time before our very eyes. He used to be the voice of reason, now he's just spitting nonsensical gibberish. What a shame. Whatever one might think about the Breitbart article, it did help oust a fifth column in the ranks of the Alt-Right.

Bye Ramz. Was nice while it lasted.

[cubanlinx]

@Requiem, it doesn't mean the statistical evidence is inconvenient. Far from it. Racial differences are well documented. The impoverished neighbourhood brah might be stupid, but it doesn't mean he's a lesser human being.
Which is the crux of "low iq race bitching". Considering other races lowly. Stereotyping is one thing. Something healthy. But "purge the xenos" is something else entirely.

[Requiem]

(04-06-2016 12:34 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

@Requiem, it doesn't mean the statistical evidence is inconvenient. Far from it.

Oh, yes, the statistical evidence is extremely inconvenient. If it isn't, then you A) refuse to think it through to the very end or B) have already stopped believing in the things you write. The rest of your comment points to variant A in your case.

(04-06-2016 12:34 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

but it doesn't mean he's a lesser human being.

Nobody is a lesser human being because of his race or because of his intelligence. There are also probably few people who actually believe that - even in the Alt-Right. But the genetic and cultural differences still require the honest mind to draw certain conclusions that apparently aren't welcome here.

(04-06-2016 12:34 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

Racial differences are well documented. The impoverished neighbourhood brah might be stupid, but it doesn't mean he's a lesser human being.

So how did we get from the issue of race in one sentence to financial status in the next sentence? Are you saying all non-whites are poor and stupid? - That's racist.

But all joking aside...

Look, man. I know the general sentiment here about this subject, but the facts are the facts and it's time to face them in their entirety. SJWs cannot accept that men are on average stronger than women. Yet it doesn't change anything. We still are. Similarly, lots of purple-pilled people cannot accept that Whites have on average a higher IQ than most "minjorities", are less violent, have stronger empathy and are more creative, amongst other differences.
See, I'm white. But I have exactly zero problem looking at the data and admitting that Jews and Asians are on average more intelligent than my people. It's the facts - I accept them because everything else would be delusional denialism. I leave those brain-gymnastics for leftists. But what's the bottom line then? Well - my people mixing with their people would on average probably result in less intelligent offspring than if Jews/Asians kept amongst themselves. Which is one of many other reasons why I can completely understand if they would oppose such a thing. I don't feel hated or discriminated against when they do that. The only people who (claim to) see no problem with miscegenation are those who have been trained not to love their own race. They either look down upon their own people because they think they're inferior (which is why they try to procreate with other races) or they believe it's "unethical" or bad to love your own people. Well, it's not. It is natural, it is functional and it is rationally explicable. You just have to relearn to go with your natural instincts (or follow your logical mind) that have been taken away from you by cultural marxist brainwashing. Allow yourself to be you. Look inwards and find that drive again that has been with you since you developed a sense of identity. The drive to preserve your heritage, which very much includes genetics.



Now. I can't just compare my people statistically upwards. There's also another direction. But I'll leave that up to you as it would just cause unnecessary trouble here if I did so. But I believe you see where I'm coming from and thus can make the second comparison yourself. The conclusions have to be drawn the same way.
As an ethno-nationalist, I wish we didn't have to purge anybody since without leftist liberal immigration policies, the whole damn issue wouldn't even exist in the first place. But they caused the situation and there's no point in continuing to look away from the - yes, indeed - inconvenient facts and thereby helping the leftist agenda further.
The forum has already accepted all the truths about what's going on except the last logical consequence:
- nationalism = good
- multiculturalism = bad
- (mass)-immigration = bad
--> Well, how would American demographics look today if the immigration policy hadn't been changed in 1965? How would it look if all immigration had been halted? What is the logical consequence of the 3 points most of us agree on? You're just avoiding the inconvenient conclusions. You want to stop immigration and think that'll do the trick. It won't. The fifth column is already inside our societies and they're replicating at high rates while white birth rates are declining further and further. You have not yet found the solution that'll actually work. And you try to fight the obvious answer because your conditioning doesn't allow it. Break the chains and come home.

(04-06-2016 12:34 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

Which is the crux of "low iq race bitching". Considering other races lowly.

See you're basically saying "Yes, the evidence shows that certain races have certain traits and those differences aren't exactly equal in every regard... but we shouldn't draw any conclusions based on that. We shouldn't care about these facts. These aren't inconvenient facts because we can accept them just as long as we don't act based upon them".
For lack of a better comparison - and no, I'm not equating minorities with nuclear waste - it's like saying "yes, I know this nuclear waste is toxic to my health. I can see all the science explain it. But that's ok - it doesn't mean I can't have it in my backyard."

(04-06-2016 12:34 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

Stereotyping is one thing. Something healthy. But "purge the xenos" is something else entirely.

Sterotypes are indeed healthy. Know why? Because they have helped generations before us to avoid the formation of such multicultural/multiethnic hellholes like the ones we're now having to suffer through. Once you rid your nation of its ethnic uniformity, these stereotypes - which cannot be killed off, no matter how much leftist brainwashing - simply cause social tension. It is a constant, never ending stressor and I'm more than tired of it.

[hydrogonian]

Both the pro-1488 and anti-1488 arguments are counter-productive in this thread.

Breitbart essentially wrote an article defending Trump supporters as the alt-Right, which is a broad and completely casual category.

If the group (Trump supporters) can be defended in public, then both it and its various interests will stay in the public sphere.

If you adopt the language and assertions of the Left, mainly that the tens of millions of Trump supporters are a small group of people that frequent a few low traffic websites that they consider racist, then they will name you, attack, you, and probably win.

Whether you are pro-1488 or anti-1488, this isn't the period in time nor the place to have that debate in my opinion.

First, neither of you are going to convince the other of a single thing. That argument will play out in another way at another time. Convincing the alt-Right that there is another perspective is akin to attempting to convince Israel that there is another perspective, and attempting to convince anti-Alt Right conservatives to join the alt-Right is similarly like attempting to convince Arabs that there is another perspective on Israel. You are both wasting your breath. Attacking one another is completely and utterly self-defeating to the point of sabotage to the Right in general. One can argue for economic or social conservatism without attacking the other group.

Second, linked below is a (weakly reasoned and written) article by the NRO capitalizing on Milo's characterizations in the Breitbart article. Whether or not one agrees, it's easy to see how their ability to isolate Trump supporters opens supporters to attack.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/43...-moral-rot

On one hand, the "alt-Right" is happy to be acknowledged. On the other hand, acknowledgement is worthless. Non "alt-Right" Trump supporters should be dismayed that they will be lumped in. Alt-Right Trump supporters need to concentrate on doing things instead of having political discussions with opponents. Non-alt Right conservatives need to similarly concentrate on things other than engaging with the alt-Right.