Where do you draw your line?
03-30-2016, 10:10 AM
TL DR - bright line
DO NOTHING FOR A GIRL YOU AREN'T BANGING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, EVER.
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You still haven't accepted the gospel of game into your life if you think for a second that doing something for a girl that you haven't slept with will get you in anyway closer to sleeping with her.
In no uncertain terms, if you do anything for a girl you haven't banged it will make it harder ,if not impossible, to do so.
Doing stuff for girls that you have not banged is the strategy of billions of barely successful betas.
This is what every guy around you is already trying to do. Most of them have more money, experience, and expertise to do so.
This strategy has failed in the past, it is failing now, and it will continue to fail.
To use modern parlance, a girl wants to do things for a high value man, or more correctly - she naturally wants to do things for a man that SHE values highly. More on that in a different post.
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Pro tip
When a girl makes herself useful to you, that's a sign that she's down for you.
But if you're an average guy, the girl going the extra mile is usually not a girl you want to bang. But the few times that she's cute, that's a one hundred dollar bill just lying on the ground.
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If what she is asking you for requires
- your time
- your money
- your professional expertise
- your muscle
Say no, or make it conditional. The condition requires her to pay up FIRST.
That's the overarching idea.
A chick that asks you to do something that isn't offering anything concrete is a user, plain and simple. You will quickly find that most chicks have very little to offer you. She lives by this game, and when you see it for what it is, it will explain a lot about their behavior.
Now in terms of game, putting P into V.
Chica - Hey Peanut, I want YOU to do X, or I want X from you, or could you help me with X?
Peanut - Is that your lame attempt to pick me up? C'mon girl, I know you've got better than that.
Ignore her request and accuse her of using that as subterfuge to get into your pants.
Game is Judo.
This will put her on defense, change the subject, and allow you to press your attack.
But
If she insists on extracting resources out of you
Go Professional and put your negotiation hat on.
"Oh you need X, I think I can give you a 4% discount"
You don't have money? What else can you offer?"
"Dinner? Cook tonight, and I'll look at your problem after"
At no point do you help without getting something.
Fuck parasites.
If she withdraws, that's fine, she was never going to fuck you, she was just going to use you. And she'll know in the future that you can't be used.
If you follow the beta strategy, the chances are infinitesimal of banging her.
And in those situations, where a bang occurs, you've set the basic dynamic of the relationship - you only get sex if you do something for her. She will want more and more from you, but give up the pussy to guys that take from her.
There's a midway strategy for intermediate and veteran players.
Conversion
Chicks go into these situations making a request knowing that it's not going to cost them anything.
Say yes, but make it cost something more than they expect but not egregiously so. When she agrees, you put her through the paces because she wrongly didn't think it would be the situation that you know it is. You're basically boiling the frog.
The Oil Change
Chica - Do you know how to change oil?
Peanut - yeah, you need a lube job?
Chica - yeah
Peanut - here is what I'll do, I'll help you do it, or I'll teach you how to do it.
So if you set this up right, and insist on her being with you under the car, filter in hand, grease on the nose.
1) grab ass
You can set a jokey frame from the beginning. And basically horseplay and physically flirt the entire time. Ping her sexuality directly.
Or
2) kismet/chick flick scenario
You can have her help, and do the "we make a good team" frame. More of a romantic move.
Or
3) skeevy professor
You can put her into student/teacher frame and create a power differential. A woman under your social/power wise taking your direction can translate into heat. (Think McDonald's assistant manager and the cashier girl)
What you cannot do is show up with your tools, crawl under her car, while she sits inside texting her fuck buddy.
As the philosopher Curtis Jackson once said
I don't know what you heard about me
But a bitch can't get a dollar out of me
No Cadillac, no perms, you can't see
That I'm a motherfucking P-I-M-P
WIA