[RIslander]

Sounds like bullshit. Botulism doesn't generally cause comas... just conscious paralysis. And it lasts up to two months or you die.

[MX90]

What part of 'don't fuck around' do these people not understand. Like it or not this is the way NK run their show. I for one commend it. Fuck around and we will end you. Angloshere could take a few pointers.

[Seadog]

(06-13-2017 05:43 PM)MX90 Wrote:  

What part of 'don't fuck around' do these people not understand. Like it or not this is the way NK run their show. I for one commend it. Fuck around and we will end you. Angloshere could take a few pointers.

I'm not sure I can take you seriously. You think the anglosphere needs to head *more* in this direction?

Disagree with the party line, which I'll remind you in the west for example could be speaking ill of feminism or implying that somehow universities have less of a rape problem than The DRC, and you'll be given a show trial, beaten until you read a forced statement, then imprisoned for 15 years to break big stones into slightly smaller stones or you contract botulism/go into a come/die. Whatever comes first. I for one can't wait until the west becomes this utopia you envision.

Or did you mean it in a sense that that's what you want, but you get to decide what the party line is?

[MX90]

Then don't. For me I'd be refreshing to see the west throw down the hammer here and there.

[RIslander]

   

[Tokyo Joe]

^^^ "Can't get detained in North Korea... if you are not in North Korea"

Well, maybe --

Unless you happen to be a 13-year-old Japanese schoolgirl on her way home from badminton practice who is abducted from the Niigata coast by NK operatives one November evening in 1977 and forced to live in the Shithole Kingdom until you commit suicide twenty years later.



Or one of dozens of other Japanese citizens who were dragged off to Hell while going about their ordinary lives in 1970s and 1980s Japan.

Or American student David Sneddon, who was almost certainly abducted from western China by the DPRK in 2004.
Did North Korea Kidnap an American Hiker?
Missing Utah Hiker Is Reportedly Tutoring Kim Jong-Un
North Korea's Kidnappers and the Fate of David Sneddon

***
I sincerely hope that sack-of-shit Kim and his dwarf cronies give the United States a reason to visit just vengeance on their heads.

[LEMONed IScream]

Bezmenov: Because [laughs] they know too much. Simply, because you see, the useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of [the] Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher.

This was my instruction: try to get into large-circulation, established conservative media; reach filthy-rich movie makers; intellectuals, so-called ‘academic’ circles; cynical, egocentric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie. These are the most recruitable people: people who lack moral principles, who are either too greedy or too [much] suffer from self importance. They feel that they matter a lot. These are the people who[m] [the] KGB wanted very much to recruit.

Griffin: But to eliminate the others, to execute the others? Don’t they serve some purpose; wouldn’t they be the ones you rely on?

Bezmenov: No. They serve [a] purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in [the] United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power—obviously they get offended—they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.

But they may turn into the most bitter enemies of Marxist-Leninists when they come to power. And that’s what happened in Nicaragua. You remember most of these former Marxist-Leninists were either put [in] prison, or one of them split and now he is working against [the] Sandinistas. It happened in Grenada, when Maurice Bishop was—he was already a Marxist—he was executed by a new Marxist, who was more Marxist than this Marxist.

[The] same happened in Afghanistan, when first there was [Nur Mohammad] Taraki, he was killed by [Hafizullah] Amin, [and] then Amin was killed by Babrak Karmal with the help of [the] KGB. [The] same happened in Bangladesh when [Sheikh] Mujibur Rahman, [a] very pro-Soviet leftist, was assassinated by his own Marxist-Leninist military comrades. It’s the same pattern everywhere. The moment they serve their purpose, all these useful idiots [will] either be executed entirely (or the idealistically-minded Marxist) or exiled, or put in prisons like in Cuba. Many former Marxists are in Cuba—I mean in prison.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Delete - Left that tab open too long and someone beat me to it.

[RIslander]

(06-13-2017 08:44 PM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

^^^ "Can't get detained in North Korea... if you are not in North Korea"

Well, maybe --

Unless you happen to be a 13-year-old Japanese schoolgirl on her way home from badminton practice who is abducted from the Niigata coast by NK operatives one November evening in 1977 and forced to live in the Shithole Kingdom until you commit suicide twenty years later.



Or one of dozens of other Japanese citizens who were dragged off to Hell while going about their ordinary lives in 1970s and 1980s Japan.

Jesus, that's fucking terrible.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

These kidnapping cases are extremely tragic and deserve harsh retribution against the NK degenerate elites, but from the point of view of a regular person, that's even more of a reason to never go there!

This guy, while I of course have sympathy for what he went through and hope he recovers, went there knowing very well what North Korea is and what it does to even well-behaved foreigners that are not even in the country, let alone vandals within its borders. He's a disgrace to people who didn't have a choice because they were kidnapped.

[Mercenary]

Many of these "tourists" or "charity workers" who get arrested for doing "really dumb shit" while in the DPRK are actually foreign spies.
The Koreans know they are spies but can't prove it 100%, and the west will never pubicaly admit they actually sent spies.

So you wind up with these weird stories in the media which on the surface make no sense.

[Parzival]

There are rumours that the Soviets did kidnap US Soldiers that had be held prison in the eastern parts of Germany. They kidnap them to the Soviet union. There was also an report about John Kerry that did investigate about kidnapped US Soldiers in the Vietnam war, that they had be brought to the USSR.

[Quintus Curtius]

(06-14-2017 01:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

There are rumours that the Soviets did kidnap US Soldiers that had be held prison in the eastern parts of Germany. They kidnap them to the Soviet union. There was also an report about John Kerry that did investigate about kidnapped US Soldiers in the Vietnam war, that they had be brought to the USSR.

Parzifal,

Are there any actual documented cases of this? I'm not finding anything with Google searches. As far as I can tell, only the North Koreans do this sort of thing.

[Quintus Curtius]

North Korea is a truly depraved country...no exaggeration. It's the only place I can think of today where a war on humanitarian grounds alone would probably be justified.

Sometimes I sympathize with Sam Kinnison in this scene.

[kaotic]

Quintus that lead to me another scene with Rodney Dangerfield talking about Business 101 - reality vs school teachings:

[nomadbrah]

A friend of mine went last year on a package tour to North Korea. It seems they've improved their propaganda cause he came back raving about how you need to see it from their point of view. I don't think North Korea is quite as poor as it used to be. Demand for Chinese goods probably rubs off since at least some Made in China is Made in Best Korea.

[spokepoker]

This is all I've seen of north korea

Didn't try to capture that flag.

[Quintus Curtius]

@kaotic:

You can't imagine how much laughs I (and a lot of other friends) used to get out of "Back to School." A true classic.

[Sephiroth]

North Korea Detainee Otto Warmbier Has ‘Severe’ Neurological Injury

From the WSJ:

Quote:

Otto Warmbier, the U.S. student imprisoned in North Korea for more than a year before his release this week, has suffered extensive loss of brain tissue and is in a state of “unresponsive wakefulness,” doctors treating him said Thursday.

The doctors in Cincinnati have limited medical data from North Korea, and the reasons for Mr. Warmbier’s injury remain unclear. Doctors said the damage to his brain is consistent with lack of oxygen caused by cardiopulmonary arrest, which in someone his age—22 years old—could be caused by intoxication or trauma.

The physicians didn’t offer a prognosis, citing the wishes of Mr. Warmbier’s family, but indicated he suffered a profound injury and faces a difficult road ahead.

“He shows no signs of understanding language, responding to verbal commands or awareness of his surroundings,” said Daniel Kanter, medical director in the Neuroscience Intensive Care Unit at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. Physicians there have treated Mr. Warmbier since his arrival late Tuesday.

The North Koreans told U.S. officials during a secret meeting last week that Mr. Warmbier lost consciousness after contracting botulism and taking a sleeping pill. Mr. Warmbier’s doctors said they saw no evidence of botulism but stressed they had very limited information about his condition before his arrival in Cincinnati.

The doctors also didn’t see signs of trauma to his bones or skin. Scans provided by the North Koreans indicate he suffered a brain injury at least 14 months ago, Dr. Kanter said.

The North Koreans detained the University of Virginia student at the Pyongyang airport in January 2016 and sentenced him to 15 years of hard labor for allegedly defacing a political poster while on tour there.

Mr. Warmbier’s father, Fred Warmbier, said he received word only last week that his son was in a coma in North Korea, after having no information for more than a year. He said he was relieved to have his son home, but was angry because he was “so brutally treated for so long.”

“We have few answers. There’s no excuse for the way the North Koreans treated our son,” Fred Warmbier said, speaking from his son’s former high school in the Cincinnati suburb of Wyoming.

He wore the light-colored blazer that his son wore when he gave his confession in North Korea and choked back tears while speaking about his son. He said his wife, Cindy, was by Otto’s side at the hospital, where he is in stable condition.

In a one-sentence statement Thursday, the state-run Korean Central News Agency said the U.S. student was sent home “on humanitarian grounds.”

President Donald Trump phoned Mr. Warmbier around 10 p.m. Wednesday, Mr. Warmbier said. In the conversation, Mr. Trump expressed sorrow about his son’s condition and told Mr. Warmbier that he told him about what the State Department did to secure his son’s release.

“He wanted to find out about Otto,” he said. “It was gracious and nice.”

Mr. Warmbier said the Obama administration had stressed to the family that they maintain a low profile, and said, “We did so without result.” But after the change of administration in Washington, the family “decided the time for strategic patience was over,” Mr. Warmbier said.

He also said that former U.S. professional basketball star Dennis Rodman —who has made several trips to Pyongyang, and is visiting there again this week—had nothing to do with Otto Warmbier’s release.

Mr. Warmbier said the North Korean government claims his son was in a coma for almost all the time he was held.

One reason for his lengthy detention in that condition was because he was being held by North Korea’s public security department, according to a person familiar with the situation. The public security department is seen as more hard-line than Pyongyang’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and Mr. Warmbier’s father said Thursday that his son was being held by North Korea “as a war criminal.”

The person familiar with the situation said that Pyongyang’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs moved to release Mr. Warmbier earlier this year after it had learned that he had been in a coma.

U.S. citizens formerly detained for extended periods in North Korea, including missionary Kenneth Bae and tourists such as Korean War veteran Merrill Newman, have received medical care, but those cases were handled by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

After North Korea conducted its fourth nuclear test in January last year, the U.S. led efforts to tighten sanctions on North Korea. In March 2016, the U.S. and South Korea conducted so-called decapitation exercises on the Korean Peninsula aimed at North Korea’s leadership, and in July 2016 the Obama administration sanctioned leader Kim Jong Un directly for human-rights abuses, in moves that North Korea regards as acts of war.

Three other American citizens are known to be detained in North Korea, according to U.S. authorities, and Mr. Warmbier called for their release as well.

He expressed relief that the family and community didn’t have to stay in the shadows any longer for fear of offending the secretive North Korean regime. He also criticized tour groups who help Americans access North Korea, and said he believes the North Koreans lure U.S. citizens there to take them “hostage.” Roughly 5,000 Western tourists visit the country each year.

Mr. Warmbier described his son as “a sweet, loving, kind person” who is also adventurous and had never been in a fight. He would have graduated from the University of Virginia in May.

When his son returned home Tuesday night, Mr. Warmbier said he knelt down beside him and embraced him.

“These things are tough to process but he’s with us,” Mr. Warmbier said. “We’re trying to make him comfortable.”

This is just horrible, and is a nightmare for his family. One of the comments on the article notes he must have been subjected to being suffocated by a plastic bag (a noted form of torture by the Norks) since he doesn't have any obvious skin or bone damage.

Just a fucked up situation.

[Swell]

(06-13-2017 09:24 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 08:44 PM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

^^^ "Can't get detained in North Korea... if you are not in North Korea"

Well, maybe --

Unless you happen to be a 13-year-old Japanese schoolgirl on her way home from badminton practice who is abducted from the Niigata coast by NK operatives one November evening in 1977 and forced to live in the Shithole Kingdom until you commit suicide twenty years later.



Or one of dozens of other Japanese citizens who were dragged off to Hell while going about their ordinary lives in 1970s and 1980s Japan.

Jesus, that's fucking terrible.

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[Tokyo Joe]

Swell: Cute little acronym there, but the girl in that photo is 12 years old. I'm sure you meant that you would rescue her in the sixth year of her decades-long North Korean captivity.

***
It is now clear that the DPRK effectively murdered Otto Warmbier. He is never coming back. I just caught a glimpse of the press conference where one of his physicians stated that he has suffered "extensive loss of tissue in all parts of his brain." There will be no happy ending for this kid and his family.

[Quintus Curtius]

Joe:

I've been following this story with interest from the beginning. My guess is that during his interrogations, his jailers either beat him too much or administered psychotropic substances to him, in order to make him more compliant and "manageable" in front of the world cameras.

I doubt it had anything to do with blunt force trauma. They may even have been trying to groom him medically for brainwashing.

The average American (and westerner in general) has no idea--no idea at all--what this government is capable of. No one should ever, under any circumstances, have any dealings with North Korea of any kind. Frankly Dennis Rodman is a blind, blind fool for allowing himself to be used as part of their propaganda charades.

But this is how it is, sadly.

[Kona]

(06-15-2017 07:48 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I doubt it had anything to do with blunt force trauma. They may even have been trying to groom him medically for brainwashing.

CNN has the doctor saying its cardiopulmonary arrest.

That's from too much waterboarding. There's also some Asian style of torture where they drown people in really cold water, then revive them, only to drown them some more.

Either way, I say this is worthy of some cruise missiles. Actually, I hope Dennis rodman is really a CIA trained assassin.

EDIT: Also when they use those deprivation boxes it can restrict the brain oxygen level. Whatever they did sucks.

Aloha!

[Sebastian]

He looks like a dude who will be into asian chicks heavily.

[RIslander]

I really feel for this kid and his family. He was young and adventurous and foolishly went to NK. Who knows if he stole that flag or not and who knows what happened to him. I cannot possibly imagine how that must feel for his parents. Fuck North Korea... a well placed nuclear detonation over Pyongyang is the only solution.