[Cobra]

(02-16-2016 07:28 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 11:05 PM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

^

Long winded way of saying "I'm right, you're wrong, you'll regret not listening to me."

OP doesn't need to be a father today. I think EVERYONE will agree that 99.9999% of men are better prepared and thus, better period at being fathers at 30 vs 20, for a myriad of reasons.

If OPs choice was: Get an abortion, have your balls removed; or keep the kid, keep your balls, it would be different. As it stands, he loses nothing in his choice. He obviously has decent game, otherwise he wouldn't have a harem. He can always CHOOSE to have child(ren) later.

Some of you need to get your heads out of your asses. What YOU find valuable and worth pursuing is not what every man wants to pursue. Some men want nothing more than to get married ASAP and have lots of kids. Some want to sow their wild oats. Some eventually change their minds, leaving their wife and kids and fucking girls, and vice versa. Some men NEVER get married. Whatever a man chooses, it's HIS choice.

This shaming bullshit belongs on a feminist forum, not a red pill one. Giving advice and shaming a man are NOT one and the same.

You should now actually read my post and address anything specific. I hate for the forum to think you're angry because that would be emotional, which in turn is a detriment according to you.

You also may want to reconsider your messaging when you say things to members that have been around a while. I'll tell you that saying they need to "get their heads out of their asses," and implying they "need to write on feminist forums" is not a great way to build credibility. As a matter of fact, it's a great way to lose it instead.

OP can follow the advice he wants to follow. He's not a child that should feel ashamed when the advice he's asking for isn't what he wants. Something tells me you are not far from throwing tantrums because you're not seeing the result you desire in this thread. You made many posts in this thread for the sole purpose of disagreement.

Since you appear to know a lot about the subject, let me start by asking a few simple questions. Were you ever married? Have any children? If the answer is no, I can live with that.

However, what I have a harder time with is that you have not documented one single approach, game data sheet or met any members. Yet, you have self proclaimed yourself as a "veteran" of game based on your profile. Care to explain how you got there? Seems "holier than thou" to me, not to mention suspect.

Given the advice and gung ho attitude you have had on this thread including calling members with good reputation feminists, I think the forum membership would want to know what your credibility profile looks like.

It's been a little while since I've done troll hunting. I don't mind if people disagree with me. My best friends disagree. However, the way it comes across from you is tryhard and lacks credibility. Your posts could have had a better balance of respect and experience but you chose to write without them. There's even a part of me that wants OP to get rid of that child. However, if he does I hope he does it based on the advice of other credible members, not you.

I'm holding my breath for your response. I would be extremely careful with your choice of words if I were you.

He ignored this post and created amother obnoxious set of responses in another thread and got banned: thread-54046.html.

Some members gave him rep points for this thread because he was "sticking to his guns." I guess the bullets ran out.

He claimed to be a game "veteran" in his user profile and called a member out in the other thread for calling himself alpha. I asked him what his experience was to support . Same thing another forum member asked in the other thread. He didn't answer either time.

Just a humble word of caution to members that gave this guy rep points: please be careful who you provide rep points to. If they have added value (data sheets, meet ups, helping mwmbers), then they deserve it. However, keyboard confidence and opinions are not as deserving of valuable rep points. In this case there was a component of being disrespectful to more senior members but the guy hadn't added much other value anyways. If you provide too many reps to these members without them being vetted for example, they become harder to ban and have a higher likelihood of being SJWs.

I just knew it was coming. I didn't have to wait long.

[Laner]

Exactly why I never put too much effort into his responses. Its easy throw around some 'alpha' persona on the internet, but these guys fail to see that many grounded and experienced men can read through posturing even through words.

I tried to nicely explain this to him, but he chose to ignore it. Anger in young men over the lies they were exposed to is expected, but choosing to battle with the very people who are working every day to make sure things continue to change is very juvenile.

Its a shame, as angry youth are often the best assets if they can remain in control of their emotions.

He will not be missed.

[Kickb]

Child support seems to suck really bad when you don't have a good paying job. A guy I worked with had to give up like $600, leaving him with something like $700 to live off of each month.

Try to get her to take an abortion pill.

Maybe tell her you are worried it will have autism or downs syndrome. (chances go way up with women who drink, take anti-depressants, and you could say it runs in your family.) Tell her you have a highly retarded cousin who is deaf and dumb. Shes 25 and your aunt and uncle will have to support her till they die.

Also, if scare tactics don't work, you might still luck out and she'll have a miscarriage.

Goodluck.

[Phoenix]

(02-25-2016 08:58 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

He ignored this post and created another obnoxious set of responses in another thread and got banned: thread-54046.html.

Some members gave him rep points for this thread because he was "sticking to his guns." I guess the bullets ran out.
...
Just a humble word of caution to members that gave this guy rep points: please be careful who you provide rep points to. If they have added value (data sheets, meet ups, helping members), then they deserve it. However, keyboard confidence and opinions are not as deserving of valuable rep points. In this case there was a component of being disrespectful to more senior members but the guy hadn't added much other value anyways. If you provide too many reps to these members without them being vetted for example, they become harder to ban and have a higher likelihood of being SJWs.

I just knew it was coming. I didn't have to wait long.

Oh he got clipped? Good riddance, dude was a grand noise-bag and nothing else. He never delivered anything but his noisy opinion of things. Here is what his avatar should have been:



I noticed he got repped 5 times for "sticking to his guns", after I ignore-listed him for being a 2-year 2-rep pure-opinion noisebag. What a complete joke. Just because some of you agree with his opinion on one topic, doesn't make his insulting "pull your heads out of your arses!" delivery of that opinion rep-worthy. You can express that opinion without calling people 'feminists' and being abrasive.

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And I just went back and checked his reply after I ignore-listed him:

(02-16-2016 02:20 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Good riddance to you. I have no desire to listen to your judgmental feminist talking points.

Haha! Most sincerely likewise!

[Sonsowey]

Evolutionary success!

[Onto]

(02-25-2016 08:58 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Just a humble word of caution to members that gave this guy rep points: please be careful who you provide rep points to. If they have added value (data sheets, meet ups, helping mwmbers), then they deserve it. However, keyboard confidence and opinions are not as deserving of valuable rep points.

I agree WFI wasn't very tactful in his responses (putting it mildly), but he did have some personal experience about this subject that he wanted to share, and he did answer your request to share his own background.

As Laner said, these young guys have a lot of energy and want to contribute. They just need to learn to do so in a way that's not combative, snarky, and all the rest. Otherwise it ends up being just noise that derails the thread. It's too bad WFI couldn't figure that out sooner.

As far as opinions go, I often give rep points when I feel a member "belongs" here. Giving them a rep point encourages them to keep contributing. Opinions/knowledge, especially based on experience are important to others and the forum in general. Though I didn't give WFI a rep point I will continue to give them to members who I believe hold the values of the forum and express them in a way that benefits us.

[Irenicus]

I repped him for giving me advice in the Ebay topic. He really deserved it.

But yeah, I agree with Laner as well - a lot of guys (especially younger ones, such as myself) were probably angry because of the mass meetups hysteria, and really wanted to give some kind of contribution.

But unfortunately...attacking our own will not help.

[Killer Joe]

(02-25-2016 08:58 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

He ignored this post and created amother obnoxious set of responses in another thread and got banned: thread-54046.html.

Some members gave him rep points for this thread because he was "sticking to his guns." I guess the bullets ran out.

He claimed to be a game "veteran" in his user profile and called a member out in the other thread for calling himself alpha. I asked him what his experience was to support . Same thing another forum member asked in the other thread. He didn't answer either time.

Just a humble word of caution to members that gave this guy rep points: please be careful who you provide rep points to. If they have added value (data sheets, meet ups, helping mwmbers), then they deserve it. However, keyboard confidence and opinions are not as deserving of valuable rep points. In this case there was a component of being disrespectful to more senior members but the guy hadn't added much other value anyways. If you provide too many reps to these members without them being vetted for example, they become harder to ban and have a higher likelihood of being SJWs.

I just knew it was coming. I didn't have to wait long.

He did answer, I think you missed his response:

thread-53822...pid1223503

No disrespect to you in particular, but many forum members have very smug, moralistic attitudes, and get offended when their grandstanding is disrupted. Of course, whateverfuckit should have exercised more tact when dealing with senior members, but his arguments were solid. We need members with different perspectives in order to prevent this excellent forum from becoming an echo chamber.

[Stimulus]

^^

You're allowed to say what's on your mind and talk about everything you like here. But some guys need to upgrade their wrapping paper before presenting their 'gift'.

[Onto]

WFI was somewhat tame in this thread. I managed to stumble upon the other Ukraine thread Cobra mentioned above where he got banned. WFI was way out of line in that one. I can see why he got banned.

[germanico]

(02-14-2016 08:33 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  

Be a man and raise the kid.

And never again disrespect the mother of your child by calling her "baby momma".

"Baby Momma" implies that to you, shes nothing more but a plate that got pregnant, some girl you banged but didnt care about enough to give her anything else than your sperm.

She might not mean much to you, but to your kid she will be the world. So if anything, be respectful towards her.

[mpr]

I'm blown away by how many responses were: "Man up and do whatever your entitled master demands!". I thought this was RVF not WhiteKnightM'Lady. A woman who unilaterally decides to pop out a screaming meat sack without her man's consent doesn't magically become trustworthy, or deserving of respect.

One of my plates trapped me and it has destroyed my life. She lied about the status of her fertility, and when she found out she was pregnant her words were: "I don't care what you say or do. I'm having it and I'm keeping it!"

Since then I've had to deal with:

o Her constantly screaming at me while refusing to clean or work while we were living together.

o Her alcohol abuse to the point of it threatening to derail my employment and education as well as threatening the well being of my son.

o Her getting drunk and wrecking my car [my insurance didn't cover her wreck]; then paying all of her court fines and fees because she refused to work.

o Her literally stealing money from my bank account by writing checks without my permission.

o Her trying to set me up on false DV charges to try and get me out of the house I was paying rent on.

o Her lying to child services and claiming I beat her. Of course there were no consequences for her false allegations.

o Her constantly suing me; 3 times in the past 5 years. Each time she makes outrageous false allegations, I have to pay a lawyer to slap down her claims, and nothing happens to her. Between the money in savings I had to spend and the legal fee's she's cost me $35,000. That's not including all of the money I've spent to take care of my son [which I don't mind].

o Her picking fights by screaming at me in front of my son. Also talks shit to my son about me which causes him anxiety.

o Refusing to tell me about medical appointments in violation of our parenting agreement. Will book an appointment with the doctor, and then make unilateral medical decisions.

o Denying me my parenting time whenever she feels like it in violation of our parenting agreement.

o Lying to her ex about what I've said to her, and sent him to try and threaten me [in front of my son]. He's about 70 pounds heavier and a foot taller then me. After I called his bluff, and let him know I was ready to fight if that's what he wanted to do he hasn't pulled that shit since.

o Limited career opportunities due to being chained to a single geographic location.

If I'm ever put in the same situation again I'll simply tell the mother to get an abortion. If she refuses I'll tell her that she and the kid will never see me again. As well as telling her that I'll do everything in my power not to pay child support. Then I'd follow though with it. Very few women actually want an unplanned baby. They just want the: validation, commitment from the man, and the long term financial security [child support, welfare] that their future bastard will provide.

If some posters here want to sacrifice themselves for their ideological beliefs because some lying bitch decided to turn her vagina into a weapon then go for it! But believing that they can shame other men into doing the same by making posts on the internet is lunacy.

[ThrustMaster]

Get one of these done:

[Rawmeo]

Just like mpr said. A girl who CHOOSES single motherhood and shits a baby, a.k.a. million-dollar walking liability without her man's consent is defintely not worth our respect.

Mothers who deserve respect are the ones who get married, THEN have a child, and raise it alongside the father while staying faithful to him. This is a mother that deserves respect.

In the OP's case, it is a "baby momma". Just a single mom wanting to pop a screaming baby knowing that the father won't be around. The kind of young, dumb girls that get pregnant and think "oh my god, babies are so cute, I keep it", without thiniking about his life, her finances, the baby's quality of life, etc. they just follow emotions and go with the "cute" option. These are girls that we will pump & dump later on. She might have a "cute" baby, but he will be raised without a father, and all men will just see this girl as a "single mom with cute pussy".

But her baby will be "cute", right?

Anyway the best option in such a case is just to walk away. That's cruel, but we gotta teach girls that there are enough single moms (not counting divorced or widowed ladies), and that this kind of shit isn't worth an escalation from "harem plate" to "mother of my child".

[realologist]

(03-03-2016 01:34 AM)mpr Wrote:  

I'm blown away by how many responses were: "Man up and do whatever your entitled master demands!". I thought this was RVF not WhiteKnightM'Lady. A woman who unilaterally decides to pop out a screaming meat sack without her man's consent doesn't magically become trustworthy, or deserving of respect.

One of my plates trapped me and it has destroyed my life. She lied about the status of her fertility, and when she found out she was pregnant her words were: "I don't care what you say or do. I'm having it and I'm keeping it!"

Since then I've had to deal with:

o Her constantly screaming at me while refusing to clean or work while we were living together.

o Her alcohol abuse to the point of it threatening to derail my employment and education as well as threatening the well being of my son.

o Her getting drunk and wrecking my car [my insurance didn't cover her wreck]; then paying all of her court fines and fees because she refused to work.

o Her literally stealing money from my bank account by writing checks without my permission.

o Her trying to set me up on false DV charges to try and get me out of the house I was paying rent on.

o Her lying to child services and claiming I beat her. Of course there were no consequences for her false allegations.

o Her constantly suing me; 3 times in the past 5 years. Each time she makes outrageous false allegations, I have to pay a lawyer to slap down her claims, and nothing happens to her. Between the money in savings I had to spend and the legal fee's she's cost me $35,000. That's not including all of the money I've spent to take care of my son [which I don't mind].

o Her picking fights by screaming at me in front of my son. Also talks shit to my son about me which causes him anxiety.

o Refusing to tell me about medical appointments in violation of our parenting agreement. Will book an appointment with the doctor, and then make unilateral medical decisions.

o Denying me my parenting time whenever she feels like it in violation of our parenting agreement.

o Lying to her ex about what I've said to her, and sent him to try and threaten me [in front of my son]. He's about 70 pounds heavier and a foot taller then me. After I called his bluff, and let him know I was ready to fight if that's what he wanted to do he hasn't pulled that shit since.

o Limited career opportunities due to being chained to a single geographic location.

If I'm ever put in the same situation again I'll simply tell the mother to get an abortion. If she refuses I'll tell her that she and the kid will never see me again. As well as telling her that I'll do everything in my power not to pay child support. Then I'd follow though with it. Very few women actually want an unplanned baby. They just want the: validation, commitment from the man, and the long term financial security [child support, welfare] that their future bastard will provide.

If some posters here want to sacrifice themselves for their ideological beliefs because some lying bitch decided to turn her vagina into a weapon then go for it! But believing that they can shame other men into doing the same by making posts on the internet is lunacy.

Who slept with her raw when she was just an alcoholic plate?

Who busted in her?

Who took the risk just to get a little bit better sex?

Why people are responding like that is because you made the choices that led to her getting pregnant whether she lied or not. We are about taking responsibility for your choices. Sure she has acted horribly crazy following the birth of your kid but I'm sure she acted that crazy before if she was just a plate.

Either way I do respect you for taking care of your kid and I suggest document all the fucked up shit she has done and Sue for custody. She clearly is not fit as a parent.

[The_e_man]

Well gentlemen, its 5:14am mountain time and tomorrow (today?) is the day of the abortion. The appointment is at 1:45pm but I will go see her around 10am to be with her and give some support before taking her to the clinic.
I can't sleep. My mind is racing. The realness of everything is starting to hit me.

Please be careful out there boys. Be honest and upfront with the women in your lives. Always.
From now on I am a new man.

[lex the impaler]

(03-08-2016 07:16 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Well gentlemen, its 5:14am mountain time and tomorrow (today?) is the day of the abortion. The appointment is at 1:45pm but I will go see her around 10am to be with her and give some support before taking her to the clinic.
I can't sleep. My mind is racing. The realness of everything is starting to hit me.

Please be careful out there boys. Be honest and upfront with the women in your lives. Always.
From now on I am a new man.

Best of luck. So much truth in that statement. Above all, be honest with yourselves too. Learn to use your power to discern.

[Rawmeo]

Keep us updated on how it goes. She made the right choice and you do great by supporting her in that.

[Santiago]

Did you ever get confirmation that it was actually yours? I recall it was part 2 of an earlier advice post from another member but scanning through couldn't see confirmation. Anyhow, seems like its a bit late for that considering what is happening tomorrow. Go, sit in whatever waiting room they make you wait in, hold your head high, give her a nod to confirm the procedure was successful, don't regret your decision and before you know it you would have dropped her off, said your farewells and (if I was you) going for a well deserved, stiff drink.

[The_e_man]

Update for those interested:
The procedure has been done.
The appointment was at 1:45pm and I was with her all morning to take care of her and make sure she was doing okay. I took her to the grocery store and bought her some groceries in the morning just to help her out a little bit.
The clinic has a church directly across the street from it with a group of about 12-14 people standing outside praying and holding up "abortion is murder" type signs. I eyed the men down and they simply looked down. They were not looking for a confrontation so I did not take things any further.
The clinic itself had very strict security with very tightly secured access in and out of the building. People from all walks of life seemed to be in there. Young, old, white, black, rich, poor, etc. It was very sad seeing the number of girls that were in there by themselves or with their mothers and not the other man in the picture. I especially felt bad for the girls there by themselves. My heart ached for them.

I was with her for the entire procedure holding her hand. The actual procedure itself took no more than 4 mins. The nurses were fantastic at calming her down and they gave her some IV fentanyl which helped her get through the ordeal.

Its been a stressful past few weeks and we are both glad this is over with.
Abortion is not something you want to go through. It is a tough and painful day. I hope to never step foot in that clinic again.
Thank you all for the support you have offered me.

[kaotic]

It takes time, as shallow and cold as it sounds, I shrugged it off.

I was their for my main LTR afterwards, she was grateful I stuck around, we broke up about a year later.

Guaranteed she thinks about from time to time, I don't, it's something I had to do. I don't give a shit who judges me for it, whether some faggot protestors or my ex.

I hope I never have to step in a clinic again either - all you can do now is carry on, and carefully and slowly fade away from this woman's life.

You're 22 and your whole life ahead of you, always pull out if you raw dog, piss before the second round, and wrap up.

You can't believe a girls word on her taking BS, so take precautions.

Glad you saw this through, if you have any afterthoughts, you know where you can vent or reach out to.

[Rawmeo]

Now go out for a well-deserved drink. You just dodged a bullet and saved yourself years of child support payments. Whether or not you decide to keep her as a plate is entirely up to you, but going there with her was a good idea. Props.

[germanico]

Damn, Kaotic and E Man, thats hard.

You both did right standing next to them. Thats the manly way of doing what was needed.

Be saluted. May no man need go through what you went through again.

[mpr]

(03-08-2016 06:18 AM)realologist Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 01:34 AM)mpr Wrote:  

I'm blown away by how many responses were: "Man up and do whatever your entitled master demands!". I thought this was RVF not WhiteKnightM'Lady. A woman who unilaterally decides to pop out a screaming meat sack without her man's consent doesn't magically become trustworthy, or deserving of respect.

One of my plates trapped me and it has destroyed my life. She lied about the status of her fertility, and when she found out she was pregnant her words were: "I don't care what you say or do. I'm having it and I'm keeping it!"

Since then I've had to deal with:

o Her constantly screaming at me while refusing to clean or work while we were living together.

o Her alcohol abuse to the point of it threatening to derail my employment and education as well as threatening the well being of my son.

o Her getting drunk and wrecking my car [my insurance didn't cover her wreck]; then paying all of her court fines and fees because she refused to work.

o Her literally stealing money from my bank account by writing checks without my permission.

o Her trying to set me up on false DV charges to try and get me out of the house I was paying rent on.

o Her lying to child services and claiming I beat her. Of course there were no consequences for her false allegations.

o Her constantly suing me; 3 times in the past 5 years. Each time she makes outrageous false allegations, I have to pay a lawyer to slap down her claims, and nothing happens to her. Between the money in savings I had to spend and the legal fee's she's cost me $35,000. That's not including all of the money I've spent to take care of my son [which I don't mind].

o Her picking fights by screaming at me in front of my son. Also talks shit to my son about me which causes him anxiety.

o Refusing to tell me about medical appointments in violation of our parenting agreement. Will book an appointment with the doctor, and then make unilateral medical decisions.

o Denying me my parenting time whenever she feels like it in violation of our parenting agreement.

o Lying to her ex about what I've said to her, and sent him to try and threaten me [in front of my son]. He's about 70 pounds heavier and a foot taller then me. After I called his bluff, and let him know I was ready to fight if that's what he wanted to do he hasn't pulled that shit since.

o Limited career opportunities due to being chained to a single geographic location.

If I'm ever put in the same situation again I'll simply tell the mother to get an abortion. If she refuses I'll tell her that she and the kid will never see me again. As well as telling her that I'll do everything in my power not to pay child support. Then I'd follow though with it. Very few women actually want an unplanned baby. They just want the: validation, commitment from the man, and the long term financial security [child support, welfare] that their future bastard will provide.

If some posters here want to sacrifice themselves for their ideological beliefs because some lying bitch decided to turn her vagina into a weapon then go for it! But believing that they can shame other men into doing the same by making posts on the internet is lunacy.

Who slept with her raw when she was just an alcoholic plate?

Who busted in her?

Who took the risk just to get a little bit better sex?

Why people are responding like that is because you made the choices that led to her getting pregnant whether she lied or not. We are about taking responsibility for your choices. Sure she has acted horribly crazy following the birth of your kid but I'm sure she acted that crazy before if she was just a plate.

Either way I do respect you for taking care of your kid and I suggest document all the fucked up shit she has done and Sue for custody. She clearly is not fit as a parent.

Figured I'd reply because you made some decent points.

o When she was a plate she wasn't an alcoholic at that time.

o I didn't willingly bust in her. She told me she was sterile, and she had just gone though a divorce in which she stated that she tried to have kids, but wasn't able to conceive. She named a specific fertility problem and I had no reason to doubt her. I ended up busting in her because she pulled the "black widow" . For the uninitiated that's when you're fucking a woman and she wraps her legs around you then locks them in place when you're about to cum so you can't pull out. Initially I left her crazy ass after that, but it was too late.

o Yes I was young, dumb, and full of cum. So made the mistake of trusting a woman. Needless to say I'll never make that mistake again.

o No she acted nothing like that while she was a plate. If she did I would have immediately dropped her. She drove me to the beach, took me to kegers, cooked for me, fucked me how I wanted when I wanted, and didn't ask about other women. As soon as she got knocked up it was like a switch flipped and she thought: "I got his ass now so I can do whatever I want!" It's like Tom Leykis said a couple of nights ago: "Sure she's cool! They're all cool in the beginning! That's because they're trying to sell you something. Then as soon as they have you locked down you'll see the real person come out."

o I have custody of my son. Because I was able to prove some of her antics. She still sues me about every other year to try and take custody from me and get child support. She's a chronically unemployed loser, so often she can get a free lawyer from legal aid to do this.

I'll never deal with something like this again though. If a woman gets knocked up and refuses to have an abortion I'll cut all ties, and try to pay as little as possible. I tell every woman I fuck that too. Sometimes they get mad, but it obliterates any temptations they might have to trap me.

[RatInTheWoods]

The laws could easily be made fair:

Both genders SHOULD have an option to abrogate their parental responsibilities upon discovery of pregnancy....

A woman with an abortion,
a man can't make the woman have it, or make her abort it, but he should be able to absolve himself from all rights and responsibilities (is child support) HIS BODY, HIS CHOICE...

At the moment, a woman has all the rights, and the man has no rights, only responsibilities.

Getting a vasectomy was the best thing I ever did.