[Going strong]

D. Trump has just given his first-ever political interview to a European Media, and he's chosen the excellent, independent, conservative, anti-establishment media: Valeurs Actuelles.

Valeurs Actuelles is profoundly hated by the European Left. It is a good, honest, traditional, anti-islamism media, recently bought by a Christian conservative (of Lebanese origins).

In this very interesting interview, Trump accuses Merkel of having committed a "terrible mistake" by opening Europe's borders to almost all of the world's illegal migrants. Trump also acknowledges the tragic transformation illegal immigration has brought to Paris... he also reveals that he's carrying a gun at all time and would shoot to kill terrorists!



http://www.valeursactuelles.com

in English: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-po...EC2ABCY89O

By the way, Trump's analysis of the risks Europe is facing, is totally reminiscent of Samseau's predictions on this very forum...

[Samseau]

(02-10-2016 10:18 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

By the way, Trump's analysis of the risks Europe is facing, is totally reminiscent of Samseau's predictions on this very forum...

What can I say? Great men think alike.

Real talk: Trump is being modest about what he actually thinks. I'm sure he understands this a massive disaster, but he doesn't want to create too much of a panic. He also doesn't want to accuse Merkel of being traitorous just yet. Trump is actually being diplomatic right now.

Once elected, Trump will be the European nationalist's best friend. I could imagine seeing Merkel indicted for human rights abuses.

[sixsix]

(02-11-2016 12:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Real talk: Trump is being modest about what he actually thinks. I'm sure he understands this a massive disaster, but he doesn't want to create too much of a panic. He also doesn't want to accuse Merkel of being traitorous just yet. Trump is actually being diplomatic right now.

Once elected, Trump will be the European nationalist's best friend. I could imagine seeing Merkel indicted for human rights abuses.

Exactly this. He's keeping his cards close to his chest for obvious reasons. And in all honesty what he has said thus far about Merkel is beyond the pale for normal politicians: he's hinted at what the people of Germany will do to their current leader. She is certainly aware of that.

And this is also why I am so invested in these elections. It's not only the POTUS election but by extension also a vote on the future of all Western countries.

When the shit hits the fan and European natives have to fight the invaders, for the scenario of muslims-as-globalist-muscle to make sense a globalist regime in the USA is needed for support. Globalists ruling the USA and Europe working together to use the invasion to gain control of our no longer homogeneous societies. Elect Trump as POTUS and this would not happen.

[ElJefe]

I might buy that Trump has an anti-islamisist tilt, but I don't buy his immigration patriotism. It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Since Trump is wealthy access to inexpensive labor benefits him, especially since he's focused on service industries. He might have a problem with the criminal behavior of illegals, but most illegals are hard working. And therein lies the problem. Because they put in a hard day's work, and are willing to work for less, they push African-Americans onto the dole.

The immigration challenge is much less a challenge of crime and national security than it is an economic issue. Will america be a country where an unskilled laborer can make a reasonable wage? For a 200 hour month (approx 46 hour week), how much can you make? USD20 an hour gives about 48,000 a year. That would be the best kind of social policy. I am not convinced Trump understands this. Although he has taken on Jeff Session's advisors, and Sessions knows what's up. So I am hopeful, but sceptical.

[The Beast1]

(02-11-2016 06:39 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I might buy that Trump has an anti-islamisist tilt, but I don't buy his immigration patriotism. It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Since Trump is wealthy access to inexpensive labor benefits him, especially since he's focused on service industries. He might have a problem with the criminal behavior of illegals, but most illegals are hard working. And therein lies the problem. Because they put in a hard day's work, and are willing to work for less, they push African-Americans onto the dole.

The immigration challenge is much less a challenge of crime and national security than it is an economic issue. Will america be a country where an unskilled laborer can make a reasonable wage? For a 200 hour month (approx 46 hour week), how much can you make? USD20 an hour gives about 48,000 a year. That would be the best kind of social policy. I am not convinced Trump understands this. Although he has taken on Jeff Session's advisors, and Sessions knows what's up. So I am hopeful, but sceptical.

Not necessarily.

I remember reading about a shoe manufacturer in New England who back in the early 20th century, he actively fought the elimination of tariffs for the country. His reasoning was that eliminating tariffs and allowing cheap foreign goods to flood the market would destroy consumer wages at home driving down the purchasing power of the entire nation.

Lower wages for the common people meant less spending on their manufactured goods.

What we're seeing today is the end game of that off shoring. Initially when a few competitors would offshore, they would massively undercut their competition but there was still residual wealth in the system from those folks who still were able to sell their products and pay their employees a decent wage.

Now, that residual wealth is nearly gone. People are up to their necks in debt and the last bastion of wealth (the boomers) are quickly dying off spending their wealth on casinos , health care, and pointless things.

Trump realizes that a rising tide raises all boats and is moving to implementing that.

[sixsix]

(02-11-2016 06:39 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I might buy that Trump has an anti-islamisist tilt, but I don't buy his immigration patriotism. It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Important to understand Trump's motives. What makes sense?

We view most big business capitalists as money-hungry power players who view people as discrete and interchangeable units of labor (as indeed most have confirmed with their actions). Increase the labor supply via immigration to lower the wages and increase profits. Or move manufacturing of goods to third world countries with lax laws and low wages. It is exactly what has been happening.

Is this all they care about? For most, yes. These are rootless internationalist that see no difference between living in luxurious, secure compounds in North-America and living in similar elite compounds in South-America, Asia or New Zealand. Humans are just another commodity to manipulate to further their goals of maximizing their wealth and power.

But not everyone is like that. I am not like that. You are not like that.

Donald Trump is already fucking rich and reading his older books one gets the impression he's less interested in total domination than in playing the business game (i.e. making deals and winning) at the highest level. Money is just a way to keep score.

Donald Trump, like so many people, seems to really love his country. He lives not at some remote place with other super elites but in the middle of a big American city. He has grown up around blue collar workers. He is rich but seems to enjoy normal, hard-working people. Besides, unlike finance and trading, real estate is dependent on the state of the country. When America turns to shit so do his beautiful and valuable towers.

Now what will Trump's legacy be? His children, his grandchildren, his great-grandchildren will all be so unbelievably rich that money does not matter.

But when America turns to shit as he sees happening now, his children have nowhere to go. Look at London and Paris and look at Detroit and Chicago. You can have all the money in the world but the beautiful Western civilizations can disappear from the face of the Earth. In the past we could flee the shit places and build better ones. Not anymore. A globalist regime means every place is under control.

Third world immigration is bad for business and destroys the future for his children.

Importing more Europeans to America means just a bigger economy. More plumbers but also more scientists. Enough land to go around so just a bigger pie with a piece for everyone.

Importing third world peoples as is currently being pushed, however offensive it sounds to fragile souls, destroys nations. We are not adding similar people with similar production capabilities. More people but the pia doesn't grow. Low intelligence and different personality traits, like ethnocentrism and preference for statism over freedom, will result in either enslavement of the productive class for an ever growing dependent class, or civil war.

Donald Trump is smart. He knows what people like Anne Coulter know. Immigration is smart for short-term profits in the scenario you can, and are willing to, move away like locust and leave the proles in misery. It is definitely not sustainable in the long term and in combination with Western traditions of freedom.

[Foolsgo1d]

Just ask Italian manufacturers what happened when they off shored manufactured goods to Eastern Europe. There is cheaper labour and labour which costs you.

[Samseau]

(02-11-2016 06:39 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I might buy that Trump has an anti-islamisist tilt, but I don't buy his immigration patriotism. It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Since Trump is wealthy access to inexpensive labor benefits him, especially since he's focused on service industries. He might have a problem with the criminal behavior of illegals, but most illegals are hard working. And therein lies the problem. Because they put in a hard day's work, and are willing to work for less, they push African-Americans onto the dole.

The immigration challenge is much less a challenge of crime and national security than it is an economic issue. Will america be a country where an unskilled laborer can make a reasonable wage? For a 200 hour month (approx 46 hour week), how much can you make? USD20 an hour gives about 48,000 a year. That would be the best kind of social policy. I am not convinced Trump understands this. Although he has taken on Jeff Session's advisors, and Sessions knows what's up. So I am hopeful, but sceptical.

I've already explained this to everyone on the forum but since you've been away for the past year I guess I'll bring you up to speed.

Trump's self-interest is in curbing immigration and restoring the middle class. It directly benefits him. Why?

Trump is one of the largest real-estate holders in the USA. The only way he gets richer is if property values go up. Flooding the country with third-world trash will therefore make him poorer. Bringing back jobs and creating a wealthy middle class will therefore make him richer.

Trump's wealth comes from land; he is comparable to landed aristocracy of the feudal times. Compare Trump to the globalists who major sources of money lie with international finance; who are comparable to the merchants of the feudal era.

Thus Trump's nationalism is a direct consequence of his money being tied to the land, just like every other candidates globalism is directly tied to their money coming from international finance.

Trump is acting logically and selfishly according to his self-interests, which just happens to be the self-interests of most of working-class America as well. That is why Trump will put a stop to mass-immigration. Not necessarily out of love, but greed.

[Going strong]

(02-11-2016 08:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I've already explained this to everyone on the forum but since you've been away for the past year I guess I'll bring you up to speed.

Trump's self-interest is in curbing immigration and restoring the middle class. It directly benefits him. Why?

Trump is one of the largest real-estate holders in the USA. The only way he gets richer is if property values go up. Flooding the country with third-world trash will therefore make him poorer. Bringing back jobs and creating a wealthy middle class will therefore make him richer.

Trump's wealth comes from land; he is comparable to landed aristocracy of the feudal times. Compare Trump to the globalists who major sources of money lie with international finance; who are comparable to the merchants of the feudal era.

Thus Trump's nationalism is a direct consequence of his money being tied to the land, just like every other candidates globalism is directly tied to their money coming from international finance.

Trump is acting logically and selfishly according to his self-interests, which just happens to be the self-interests of most of working-class America as well. That is why Trump will put a stop to mass-immigration. Not necessarily out of love, but greed.

Your reasoning is sound and true, but, I don't know, something tells me that Trump is in this fight not for (more) money, but for the historic, ethical reasons cited by sixsix: to try and prevent a catastrophic crumbling of Western civilization, which would hurt everybody's interests in the end...

Trump I think understands that if illegal migrations are not checked, even rich people in the end will get hurt and swept over by third-world global misery and violence...

[ElJefe]

(02-11-2016 08:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

[quote='ElJefe' pid='1218785' dateline='1455190780']
what Samseau wrote

This is true if Trump owns real estate uniformly distributed over the country, and if the immigration impact is also uniform.

But if you're long in real estate in areas where 3rd world immigrants don't move to, that benefits you immensely. See California.

I don't know much about how Trump's views have evolved. I doubt they're very sophisticated. Which is his charm. Things shouldn't have to be so complicated.

[Going strong]

(02-11-2016 08:59 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

[quote] (02-11-2016 08:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

what Samseau wrote

This is true if Trump owns real estate uniformly distributed over the country, and if the immigration impact is also uniform.

But if you're long in real estate in areas where 3rd world immigrants don't move to, that benefits you immensely. See California.

That benefits you immensely... until all of society crumbles and your whole country becomes another Haiti. Then nothing in your country has any real value anymore, nothing works properly anymore, everybody fears for his security...

[Enigma]

Understanding Trump's intentions goes deeper than his chosen industry. It's psychological.

Trump is a competitor. He lives to compete.

The whole purpose of globalism is to remove competition. It puts the world's richest and most powerful all on the same team against the world's middle and lower class.

This appeals to low-T dweebs like the Zuckerbergs and Gates of the world, but this would be boring for someone like Trump. Stacking the teams ruins the whole game. For someone who's fiercely competitive, winning in a way that's unfulfilling is nearly as bad as losing.

Nationalism, on the other hand, is inherently competitive. "Making America Great Again" could be basically translated as "making America better than everyone else's country".

I couldn't tell you for sure if Trump is some super patriot. But he's clearly a competitor. You can tell by the way he talks about countries like Japan. It drives him crazy that they're beating his team.

He doesn't "hate" the Japanese anymore than Michael Jordan hates who's guarding him. He just wants to beat the hell out of them and then make a little joke about it while they're shaking hands after the game.

He wants to fuck his hot wife in the best building in the best borough in the best city in the best country in the world. But New York City doesn't exist without a middle class. America can't be the best country in the world when it's sending all its manufacturing and jobs overseas. And there won't be many European models if you let migrants rape their way across the continent.

[Liberty Sea]

For someone so loud and bombastic, Trump is actually quite unfathomable I would say. Nobody really knows what his motive is exactly. There are many theories, many guess, unlikely to be ever settled.

[Teutatis]

(02-11-2016 07:36 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

But when America turns to shit as he sees happening now, his children have nowhere to go. Look at London and Paris and look at Detroit and Chicago. You can have all the money in the world but the beautiful Western civilizations can disappear from the face of the Earth. In the past we could flee the shit places and build better ones. Not anymore. A globalist regime means every place is under control.

Third world immigration is bad for business and destroys the future for his children.

Importing more Europeans to America means just a bigger economy. More plumbers but also more scientists. Enough land to go around so just a bigger pie with a piece for everyone.

Importing third world peoples as is currently being pushed, however offensive it sounds to fragile souls, destroys nations. We are not adding similar people with similar production capabilities. More people but the pia doesn't grow. Low intelligence and different personality traits, like ethnocentrism and preference for statism over freedom, will result in either enslavement of the productive class for an ever growing dependent class, or civil war.

Donald Trump is smart. He knows what people like Anne Coulter know. Immigration is smart for short-term profits in the scenario you can, and are willing to, move away like locust and leave the proles in misery. It is definitely not sustainable in the long term and in combination with Western traditions of freedom.

This is why the whole current and future muslim/african invasion of Europe combined with the pathological altruism/suicidal tendencies/self hate some European people display has affected me so much and so deeply. I'm fearful that in 100, 200 or 500 years western civilization and its diverse peoples (the south, north, central and eastern europeans, and also the US and other non European western countries) will have disappeared drowned in a brown and black world. I don't want this to sound like I'm some kind of nazi that hates other peoples, I'm not like that at all and I love that we humans are so diverse, but no matter what there will always be black and brown people in this world while whites can very easily disappear. I look into the future and see no white western cultures existing anymore and that anguishes me.

[Blaster]

Quote:

It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Are you sure you know what Trump actually considers his self-interest? There's more to life than amassing wealth, indeed history is full of ambitious men for whom wealth was only ever means to some other end, from realization of a civic vision, to defeating rivals, to recognition of greatness, to basking in the adoration of people.

Maybe he's driven by a Patriotic love of America and his children like Sixsix suggests, or maybe not. But it could also be a combination of many other reasons that don't necessarily align with what a strictly rational economic model of a businessman would predict.

[Fast Eddie]

(02-11-2016 12:34 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Quote:

It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Are you sure you know what Trump actually considers his self-interest? There's more to life than amassing wealth, indeed history is full of ambitious men for whom wealth was only ever means to some other end, from realization of a civic vision, to defeating rivals, to recognition of greatness, to basking in the adoration of people.

Maybe he's driven by a Patriotic love of America and his children like Sixsix suggests, or maybe not. But it could also be a combination of many other reasons that don't necessarily align with what a strictly rational economic model of a businessman would predict.

Not only this, but Trump is nearly 70 years old and already has around ~$10bn. Assuming he serves 2 terms, his presidency would last until the statistically probable end of his lifespan. The idea that he is investing the remaining years of his life in order to increase the ROI on his capital by some arbitrary percentage is ludicrous. He is clearly doing it for reasons that have nothing to do with money. I highly doubt he is doing it in order to big up his children, either, as his candidacy has basically burned down his and his entire family's standing in the eyes of the rest of the elite.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-11-2016 08:46 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 08:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I've already explained this to everyone on the forum but since you've been away for the past year I guess I'll bring you up to speed.

Trump's self-interest is in curbing immigration and restoring the middle class. It directly benefits him. Why?

Trump is one of the largest real-estate holders in the USA. The only way he gets richer is if property values go up. Flooding the country with third-world trash will therefore make him poorer. Bringing back jobs and creating a wealthy middle class will therefore make him richer.

Trump's wealth comes from land; he is comparable to landed aristocracy of the feudal times. Compare Trump to the globalists who major sources of money lie with international finance; who are comparable to the merchants of the feudal era.

Thus Trump's nationalism is a direct consequence of his money being tied to the land, just like every other candidates globalism is directly tied to their money coming from international finance.

Trump is acting logically and selfishly according to his self-interests, which just happens to be the self-interests of most of working-class America as well. That is why Trump will put a stop to mass-immigration. Not necessarily out of love, but greed.

Your reasoning is sound and true, but, I don't know, something tells me that Trump is in this fight not for (more) money, but for the historic, ethical reasons cited by sixsix: to try and prevent a catastrophic crumbling of Western civilization, which would hurt everybody's interests in the end...

Trump I think understands that if illegal migrations are not checked, even rich people in the end will get hurt and swept over by third-world global misery and violence...

Going Strong is correct.

Trump is doing this for the "right" reasons. He was tired of making money in 1985, back when he published "Art of The Deal".

The man has been preaching the same shit of 30+ years.

[Going strong]

(02-11-2016 12:59 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 12:34 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Quote:

It doesn't fit a model of the rational, self-interested businessman (to which Trump, if anyone, ought to belong).

Are you sure you know what Trump actually considers his self-interest? There's more to life than amassing wealth, indeed history is full of ambitious men for whom wealth was only ever means to some other end, from realization of a civic vision, to defeating rivals, to recognition of greatness, to basking in the adoration of people.

Maybe he's driven by a Patriotic love of America and his children like Sixsix suggests, or maybe not. But it could also be a combination of many other reasons that don't necessarily align with what a strictly rational economic model of a businessman would predict.

Not only this, but Trump is nearly 70 years old and already has around ~$10bn. Assuming he serves 2 terms, his presidency would last until the statistically probable end of his lifespan. The idea that he is investing the remaining years of his life in order to increase the ROI on his capital by some arbitrary percentage is ludicrous. He is clearly doing it for reasons that have nothing to do with money. I highly doubt he is doing it in order to big up his children, either, as his candidacy has basically burned down his and his entire family's standing in the eyes of the rest of the elite.

Exactly. Trump not only "has basically burned down his and his entire family's standing in the eyes of the rest of the elite", but he also is putting himself at a very real risk of assassination... not so long ago, the richest world criminal, el Chapo, put a prize on his head, and also, just imagine how many BLM-type people or extreme-SJWs would like to shoot him?

So, someone takes this kind of risks only when motivated by more than money: by patriotic passion.

[911Turbo]

For Trump it is not about amassing wealth anymore. After you reach a certain point of wealth, you actually don't need more money. He wants to leave his mark in the world. He won't be able to take all that money to his grave when he passes away.

He wants to make a change. For him, being worth 10b or 30b wont make that much of a difference. However if he manages to change the course of history, it will make a huge difference and he will be remembered by everyone after his death. Thousands of people will visit his grave every year.

What if he dies like a normal billionare? Probably his own great grand children wont even visit his grave regularly.

This is why I think he is speaking from his heart. He does not give two fucks about his business when the interest of the nation is at stake.

[Deepdiver]

We are at a critical juncture in our history prior to Karl Marx the Argentine and Brazilian and Uruguayan and other South and Central American ranches, plantations and mines generated massive riches for the European Merchant bankers - then radical Marxist socialist feminism took root and you basically have now a binary society of Poor who live in sprawling favellas and the Rich who live in gated and arm guarded communities behind large unscalable Jerusalem walls topped with razor wire and IR sensors.

Trump builds premier properties and golf resorts around the world and licenses others to his specs that his organization digs into their private rolodex to endorse and actively market to the world's 1,100+ Billionaires and multi-millionaires - as soon as he inks a deal most of these premier properties are pre-sold at a profit before ground is broken.

Mr. Trumps knows first hand the trends he sees in the third world - business owners flying from their office towers to their gated estates so that they are not car jacked with automatic weapons, IEDs and EFDs on the Brazilian highways by underworld gangsters or vicious competition.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-berni...49663.html
Mr. Trump knows we are at a tipping point in the USA that if Bernie and Hitlery are allowed to win and jack up our taxes from Obama's 38.5% Federal Income Tax to Bernies and Hitlery's top 58% plus the Obama hidden 3% surcharge plus all the other Federal State and Local Taxes and bloated government employee salaries and pensions free market capitalism will be dead for all intents and purposes and the only profits to be made will be virtual arbitrage of goods and services using third world slave labor in Brazil, China, North Korea, Vietnam and Indonesia and Financial Markets Arbitrage taking US ETFs and Pension funds and investing in high growth emerging markets with Brazilian style favellas, road crime jackings, and kidnaps separated into peasants and Oligarchs...

Since Mr. Trump sells aspirational Premier Properties and Brands to upscale and aspirational people often New Wealth versus Old Wealth... for his brand and legacy to grow and benefit his Children and Grand Children he knows a prosperous and aspirational nation is essential.

Furthermore a strong military is only possible in a strong healthy nation with Alpha Males capable, willing and motivated to take up arms in defense of their families and sensual feminine women who care for them as their just reward.

We now have a nation of Patriotic Nationalists versus Globalist Traitors.

We have a nation we LOVE and are PROUD of and are NOT GOING TO LOSE!

Everything we care about is UNDER ASSAULT, We are going to STOP the Assault!

We are Going to Make America Great Again, bigger, smarter, stronger and better than it has EVER BEEN!

...Donald J. Trump, Alpha Patriot

[Deepdiver]

(02-11-2016 11:59 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

For someone so loud and bombastic, Trump is actually quite unfathomable I would say. Nobody really knows what his motive is exactly. There are many theories, many guess, unlikely to be ever settled.

If you have studied the Wisdom of the ancients then you KNOW.