[marty]

(02-06-2016 12:58 PM)Barbarian_Brad Wrote:  



This explains everything.

Indeed it does.

(02-06-2016 01:06 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Maybe I'm just out of touch with the current market or the social media climate, but all of you guys saying Twitter is on the downhill - how do you figure?

It's likely the hottest social media platform out there. Every major celebrity, athlete, politician, artist, etc. uses it as their main form of online communication with their audience. People read tweets and link to their twitter all over news stations, talk shows, and radio.

Anyway this was predictable. Information control.

I read somewhere (maybe Roosh's twitter feed?) that the actual number of (active?) users are in decline.

Btw wasn't the appeal of twitter that you could just say what you wanted to say in a short and concise form?

[marty]

(02-06-2016 01:17 PM)rpg Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 01:10 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Sounds to me like that is just poor monetization on the part of the owners. You have a platform that so many people are using and relying on and you can't find a way to make money on it? Pfft.

Remember when youtube couldnt make a dollar? They were against advertising. Now you gets ads out the ass on youtube. With tweets there is no practical way of packing in so many ads without completely disrupting the purpose of twitter. Twitter is a tribute to folly. They should charge a membership and see how that works. Then all the broke ass freaks will be gone because they cant pay.

To be honest youtube is on the brink of becoming useless because of the shitload of advertising they cram into their site.

@Dusty Lip piercing, on a guy? Really? What did people even expect then?

[Clockwerk]

There is cupcake.is too. It's actually a pretty proven platform(been developed for a few years now). My nick is "clockwerk" there.

Your status update can be 512 chars. Whether that's "better" or not I'm not sure.

[Snowplow]

I gonna be leaving twitter. I started noticing various things that showed red flags. Such as I'll be looking at a newer tweet then it would vanish as I'd look at it. Then when I'd go to said tweeter's account there would be nothing there. It could be deleted, sure, but I don't think the person who wrote it had that in mind.

Also it keeps asking me if my email is correct. This happens multiple times. I don't know how bad their infrastructure is that it keeps forgetting, but I think it's something else.

Fuck their site. I'm abandoning ship. I hope it sinks.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Do these Twitter alternatives also offer the ability to generate HTML or PHP code that you can embed onto your blog? That's basically my only use for Twitter.

[Barbarian_Brad]

(02-06-2016 01:14 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

He is also Jewish, and sends his kids to a private Jewish school.

Just making a factual observation. No further commentary. Nothing to see here.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-06-2016 09:50 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 08:44 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 11:19 PM)Castelnau Wrote:  

I highly suggest finding non-Sillicon Valley alternatives. Most likely asian. There has got to be asian imitations of Twitter and Facebook that's easy for english users to use.

You're joking right?

Chinese versions of Twitter, facebook and WhatsApp already exist and they can be shut down on a whim or censored by the Chinese government.

A country which denies it slaughtered many of its own people in broad daylight and executes or locks up dissenters is a country I don't want to associate with.

What about Japanese global apps then? It's a country full of unapologetic shitlords without the domineering aspect of China.

Could you trust a nation whose men were once the Samurai and Japanese soldiers?

From this;






To this...





For what its worth, I understand the Japanese military is taking an increasingly militant stance with nations such as China and North Korea but they might go 180 from this pillow girlfriend shit before China goes full totalitarian.

Wouldn't want to be exposed to that.

[Samseau]

We should agree as a forum on an alternative to Twitter. Then we should push that alternative across our forum accounts and on RoK.

Here are some considerations I could find:

https://cupcake.io/tent

https://app.net/about/

http://gnu.io/social/

https://ello.co/explore <--- From a cursory glance, this one seems the easiest to use and most like twitter

http://libertree.org/

Take a look fellas, let's figure out an alternative. Beats bitching about Twitter. Action > Bitching.

[Barbarian_Brad]

(02-06-2016 03:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

https://ello.co/explore <--- From a cursory glance, this one seems the easiest to use and most like twitter

Ello positioned itself as an anti-Facebook and made a lot of news stories when it came out. It's pretty dead now, but I could easily see it making a resurgence with the recent problems both Facebook and Twitter have been facing.

They took a strong stance against "harassment" so it may be worth researching the founders before going all in on them. SJWs ruin everything, so we have to make sure that they really are pro-free speech not trying to be tumblr 2.0.

[BortimusPrime]

I don't think this is about ideological control. If they have no way of monetizing, this may be a prelude to implementing facebook's system where you pay them to float your spam to the top of the feed. Obviously they can't come out and say "we want to make it so you only see viral marketers on twitter", so they're couching it in this algorithm bullshit.

[emuelle1]

Diaspora is an alternative. Supposed to be an Open Source social network. I was on it a while back. You have to register on a pod. Problem is, I can't remember which pod I registered on. I know Vox Day is working on some non-SJW alternatives, but I don't know what his timeline is.

[CynicalContrarian]

Breitbart is enjoying this :

Twitter In MELTDOWN As Entire Userbase Revolts

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/06...e-revolts/

The news has led to the greatest backlash from Twitter’s userbase this year. #RIPTwitter has been trending internationally all day,
with close to a million tweets on the hashtag. Celebrities and users from across the political spectrum are adding their voices to the online protest,
and a change.org petition urging Twtter to change course is quickly gathering steam. Troublingly for Twitter, it doesn’t look like the controversy will fade anytime soon.

#RIPTwitter, however, is not confined to any particular political grouping. Twitter has alienated users from across the spectrum,
including some of its biggest powers users. Twitter executives are no doubt hoping that the scandal blows over by Monday,
when the stock market opens — but at the moment, that looks unlikely.


Yes indeed, especially telling when people across the board don't care for this 'populist timeline' nonsense.

[Foolsgo1d]

The problem with alternatives is that they get eaten up by the big dogs as soon as they see a threat and/or a profit.

Facebook bought WhatsApp and before you knew it there was invasion of privacy that I doubt many have yet to realise. Youtube and Google will one day become weaker than they are with alternative media. They're pissing off a lot of people at the moment so father time is all that matters.

I personally don't go on twitter, I don't have Instagram, I only watch youtube videos or play an active role in facebook. I keep facebook for Tinder only.

[Nitro]

Co-founder Jack Dorsey was reported to have visited Buzzfeed today. SMH

[2Wycked]

(02-05-2016 10:11 PM)Barbarian_Brad Wrote:  

The duck was right. The purge is coming. Prepare for shadowbans and start moving to other networks.

This vaunted "duck" was and is little more than a mindless, racist shock-jock.

He tweeted at me several times the past couple of years, usually calling me a "faggot" and "anti-white liberal fucktard." Profound comedy.

That interview shows how void he is of intellectual depth he and fans are.

The "white working class" not having a voice is preposterous. Like most groups in America, they have chosen to piss all over themselves and then cry the "elites" are destroying their communities.

He differs very little from feminists, "Black Lives Matter" and other radical types -- all sound and fury, signifying very little. No depth, all bark and utterly convinced trolling/attacking people online will make this world a better place.

No respect.

[8ball]

Here is what it will look like: apparently it will reorganize your tweets based on some algorithm, an extension of that "here is what you missed" thing they started not long ago.

Quote:

You have to look close to see that the tweets are out of order: in this case, a few tweets from nine or ten hours ago show up before one that was posted two hours ago. But screenshots like these have been floating around for a few months now. What's really important is how the new timeline works in practice.

YES, YOU CAN OPT OUT

The algorithm that will re-order your timeline is based on the one that ranks tweets for the "while you were away" feature that Twitter introduced a year ago. The best way to think of the new timeline is as an expanded version of this feature. Spend an entire day away from Twitter, and when you open the app again, you'll see highlights from the day. If you open it up a few times a day, you'll see a handful of "while you were away"-style sections breaking up the chronological tweets. And whenever you pull down to refresh your stream, it's back to the regular, reverse-chronological timeline.

Here's one way to think of it: scroll down through the timeline, and it's like the Reddit homepage, showing the most popular things first. Scroll back up, and the feed turns into regular reverse-chronology Twitter. One tester told me that the new timeline will also show you related posts for popular tweets if you want to dive deeper. In any case, this will be the new Twitter by default — but you will be allowed to opt out of the new timeline, The Verge has confirmed.

Former Twitter employee Paul Rosania, who was the product manager for the timeline before leaving recently for Slack, mounted an impassioned defense of the re-ordered timeline this afternoon. "In a purely chronological feed, tweet quality is distributed *randomly,*" he wrote. "If you miss any tweets, *any at all,* there will be just as much good stuff in there as there is in what you actually see. Delivering some of that, by pushing down something else, is *guaranteed* to give you a better experience. Not by principle, just by math." Rosania concluded: "Someday soon, the tweets you see will be a little more interesting, and the tweets you miss won't be as important. And guess what: You won't even notice. You won't! You think you will, but you won't."

"IT TEARS CONVERSATIONS APART."

The Verge spoke to two users who have been testing the new timeline for a few months. Neither particularly liked it. "I started to get used to it but I still think that it is a terrible idea," Twitter user Robin Bonny told me. "It tears conversations apart, and it's really confusing when some people have been live-tweeting an event and those things get scattered all across my timeline. It makes it extremely hard to follow events, and destroys one of the core values of Twitter, in my opinion." Another user, Coady DiBiase, was only slightly more positive. "It's definitely nice in terms of catching up on things I might've missed, but it's a departure from the core idea of Twitter, so overall it complicates things."

But both are daily users of the product, and Twitter is in search of product changes that will bring them hundreds of millions of new users. The analyst Ben Thompson wrote recently that an algorithmic timeline has been one of Facebook's core advantages over Twitter, allowing it continue to grow rapidly as Twitter's growth slowed. As Bret Taylor, former chief technical officer of Facebook, put it this morning: "Algorithmic feed was always the thing people said they didn't want but demonstrated they did via every conceivable metric. It's just better."

Now we know how Twitter's algorithmic timeline works — but aside from those who have been testing it, it's unclear how it will feel. Is it truly the best of Twitter, delivered effortlessly? Or, like Bonny says, does it break up conversations and take other tweets out of context? It does not feel like an overstatement to say Twitter's future could hinge on the answer.

Link

[emuelle1]

In other words, rather than an orderly stream, Twitter is going to implement Facebook's stupid "Top News". All tweets will appear out of order. You'll see one from 16 hours ago, next from 33 minutes ago, next from last Friday...

I'll probably drop off Twitter at that point. I'm no fan of having to reload 2 or 3 times to get my feed in order. That "While you were away" is annoying.

[username]

With Tweets chronological ordered matters. In many ways it is like a story unfolding so it doesn't make sense to have it out of order. They know that if they keep the system the same they will have a harder time censoring people, it would be more obvious. With the new system when they are questioned it is easier to say "well that's the new system for you, think get shifted around" instead of telling the truth that you were censored for an unpopular opinion.

Just from a usability standpoint if they make the change then I am completely done with Twitter. I can't imagine seeing 20 Tweets all out of order and then having to look at the time stamps to figure out the order. That is complete garbage. Then add in the censorship and it is a complete cluster fuck.

[fareast]

(02-06-2016 01:10 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Sounds to me like that is just poor monetization on the part of the owners. You have a platform that so many people are using and relying on and you can't find a way to make money on it? Pfft.

Twitter has so much potential to be a hugely profitable company. It offers ad targeting on a level that makes Facebook seem weak and pathetic. Being able to target people based on who they follow should be all it takes to make it the most profitable ad-driven company, save for Google, on the Internet.

Despite this, it continues to bleed money because it's a massively bloated company with no fucking idea what it's doing. How much could it possibly cost to run something like Twitter? It doesn't have a complex algorithm like Google to sort results by quality or relevance or a huge farm of servers to cache search results in full detail -- it's just a fucking newsfeed service for end users.

For example, Twitter has 4,300 employees!!! How could you possibly need 4,300 people to run a website that's just a rip-off of Facebook's timeline feature? If it weren't a public company, Twitter would look like a money laundering scheme designed to take cash from VCs (and now the public) and redistribute it to overpaid, clueless San Francisco tech industry morons.

It amazes me how much Silicon Valley companies will waste on stupid things like "user engagement managers" and "platform exclusivity" when really they could make Twitter profitable in a couple of days by putting skyscraper banner ads on either side of the news feed and hiring some sales reps to get more ad spending from Fortune 500 companies.

I spend a fortune on Adwords and Facebook Ads and Twitter's ad platform is by far the worst platform in the industry. The entire company is run by clueless idiots.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

[Samseau]

If you can opt out, it's not a huge deal.

[8ball]

(02-07-2016 04:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If you can opt out, it's not a huge deal.

I think Dorsey also mentioned about raising the character limit, that could be a big deal and really change how people use twitter. Perhaps fewer but longer tweets might lead to more clicks on adds. They probably did some excessive a/b testing on those models resulting in exactly that.

[Tim in real life]

https://twitter.com/owensplex/status/565...52865?s=09

Looks like anime fans are feeling it first.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-07-2016 09:04 AM)fareast Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 01:10 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Sounds to me like that is just poor monetization on the part of the owners. You have a platform that so many people are using and relying on and you can't find a way to make money on it? Pfft.

Twitter has so much potential to be a hugely profitable company. It offers ad targeting on a level that makes Facebook seem weak and pathetic. Being able to target people based on who they follow should be all it takes to make it the most profitable ad-driven company, save for Google, on the Internet.

Despite this, it continues to bleed money because it's a massively bloated company with no fucking idea what it's doing. How much could it possibly cost to run something like Twitter? It doesn't have a complex algorithm like Google to sort results by quality or relevance or a huge farm of servers to cache search results in full detail -- it's just a fucking newsfeed service for end users.

For example, Twitter has 4,300 employees!!! How could you possibly need 4,300 people to run a website that's just a rip-off of Facebook's timeline feature? If it weren't a public company, Twitter would look like a money laundering scheme designed to take cash from VCs (and now the public) and redistribute it to overpaid, clueless San Francisco tech industry morons.

It amazes me how much Silicon Valley companies will waste on stupid things like "user engagement managers" and "platform exclusivity" when really they could make Twitter profitable in a couple of days by putting skyscraper banner ads on either side of the news feed and hiring some sales reps to get more ad spending from Fortune 500 companies.

I spend a fortune on Adwords and Facebook Ads and Twitter's ad platform is by far the worst platform in the industry. The entire company is run by clueless idiots.

Please do not tell them anything that will keep them online for years to come.

[Barbarian_Brad]

(02-07-2016 04:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If you can opt out, it's not a huge deal.

All the changes facebook made were opt-in at first too.