[Roosh]

"It shouldn't be easy."

Usually she says it about an hour or two after I approach her in a club, when it's clear I want to take her home. My current answer is long...

Girl: "It shouldn't be easy"
Me: "How many girls have you had sex with?"
Girl: "Zero"
Me: "So how do you know what's easy or not? "

Then I tell her my experiences in countries where it was very easy (Iceland, Denmark, USA), to make her seem "hard" (relatively speaking). I would say something like, "In Iceland we would've already had sex and said our goodbyes."

With this I have taken girls home who were going on and on about not being easy, but I'm looking for a short, powerful comeback that questions her "easy" belief before I go into my usual long answer. Any suggestions?

[hypesession]

"It shouldn't be easy."


1. "Pfft, that's what I say."

2. "I'm having/your're giving me such a hard time."

Reframe of her words.
3. "I know, it's so difficult." ...to control yourself.

4. "You're a tough nut to crack, why don't you take it easy on me."

You effectively say these things under the repositioning that she is not being easy, while continuing physical progress as normal.

[Lumiere]

What I would say would sound totally wrong when said by you.

It breaks down like this.

1. Girls don't like to consider themselves as easy because no girl likes to think of themselves as a slut
2. I don't judge women who follow their desires and condemn them as sluts by banging me the night they meet me. I communicate this clearly. Their fears disappear and they bang me.
3. It's quite clear, from your blog, that you DO condemn women as sluts who put out 'too easily'.

Therefore, you have created your own problem.

Other than outright lying, I am not sure what you should do other than drop the silly idea that women following their desires and going to bed with you quickly are sluts.

[Roosh]

I forgot to add something to the original post...

People I don't want game advice from:
Lumiere
Indian Troll

Carry on...

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Philosophical jab: "Easy? Why do you have such a low opinion of yourself?"
Extra-sarcastic: "You seem to think of yourself very highly."

[Roosh]

hypesession: Looking for more humor

Handsome Eel: It would put the girl on the defensive or close her up. I need something that will make her girl laugh.

[cibo]

Here's my suggestions. Hopefully, one is useful.

"It shouldn't be hard either"
"People have a way of creating unnecessary rules"
"Enjoying life isn't a sin"
"Whats the fun in that?" (This one is kind of a catch all for any resistance I believe)
"That doesn't seem like a good get well card" (questionable if used on non-native/fluent english speakers)

[Lumiere]

(07-06-2011 06:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I forgot to add something to the original post...

People I don't want game advice from:
Lumiere
Indian Troll

Carry on...

Did not give you any game advice. Just pointed out that you created your own problem that's all.

As another poster - Viscious - pointed out in another thread today 'women are expert at sensing judgmental behavior'.

Having a 'snappy response' to deal with a self inflicted problem as a way of dealing with it does not make a great deal of sense no matter how you look at it.

[Luckystar]

(07-06-2011 07:57 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Just pointed out that you created your own problem that's all.

Actually, it's the sluts we've met in the past that created the problem.

They created the benchmark for other women.

I actually do the same as. I make them feel respected and comfortable. Internally, I don't respect them as I am making a mockery of them (especially once the slut puts out). They cannot detect my 'judgment' of them.

[Samseau]

"It shouldn't be easy."

"I agree, you should put more effort into this."

[solo]

I would probably say somthing along the lines of:

"Easy!? Coming here all the way from country x, going out alone without any friends to talk to and then work up the courage to approach you is easy!?"

[Vicious]

Going off on a tangent here, but how would you deal with the similar line "I'm not that kind of girl"?

Mostly this comes from social pressure that evaporates when she's isolated but that's not always an option. I can usually deflect this with building a bunch of comfort and just subtly demonstrating that I'm not the type that cares what kind of girl she is (like Lumiere outline above). This is time consuming however and I would love any kind of reframe that would blow away this resistance.

[MiXX]

One time I responded to a girl with a simple line that broke down her shields. It was not humorous, not snappy or any if the norms.

Target: "I'm not easy!"
Mixx:" I'm not judgmental, so relax. "

We were fucking 4 hours later.


Mixx

[Lumiere]

(07-06-2011 09:16 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Target: "I'm not easy!"
Mixx:" I'm not judgmental, so relax. "

That's pretty much what I say (damn, Mixx ! On the same page again).

Hard to carry that line off if you are judgemental though unless you think that lying to get a chick in to bed is something you are comfortable stooping to.

[haywire]

"It shouldn't be easy."

Ok, then it should be hard, right? Come here feel it up, it is already hard!

[Sammy]

Two things I would say, depending on usual variables.

1. "Okay, cool." Has never let me down in the past, for any number of things a girl might say.

2. "How hard would you like it to be?" said with a cheeky grin.

Edit, just occurred to me: 3. "Well I am." Said with the same intonation as two, cheeky grin.

[Samseau]

(07-06-2011 10:34 AM)Sammy Wrote:  

2. "How hard would you like it to be?" said with a cheeky grin.

stolen

[Sammy]

(07-06-2011 10:48 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 10:34 AM)Sammy Wrote:  

2. "How hard would you like it to be?" said with a cheeky grin.

stolen

Happy to oblige.

[Pilgrim37]

"It shouldn't be easy"

"Do you think giving you the most intense pleasure you've ever experienced is going to be easy?I'm going to have to work hard..but believe me it will be worth it for both of us."

She smiles and gets wet,you get a boner and both head for the Exit

[Sammy]

(07-06-2011 11:12 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

"It shouldn't be easy"

"Do you think giving you the most intense pleasure you've ever experienced is going to be easy?I'm going to have to work hard..but believe me it will be worth it for both of us."

She smiles and gets wet,you get a boner and both head for the Exit

Too long, too clunky, too try hard.

[Roosh]

(07-06-2011 10:34 AM)Sammy Wrote:  

2. "How hard would you like it to be?" said with a cheeky grin.

We have a winner! Great double entendre... exactly what I was looking for.



I also liked:

(07-06-2011 08:33 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

"I agree, you should put more effort into this."

and

(07-06-2011 09:16 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Mixx:" I'm not judgmental, so relax. "

Thanks guys.

[Gmac]

"I'm easy, what's your excuse?"

[Sammy]

(07-06-2011 11:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 10:34 AM)Sammy Wrote:  

2. "How hard would you like it to be?" said with a cheeky grin.

We have a winner! Great double entendre... exactly what I was looking for.

Glad you liked it.

[kimleebj]

(07-06-2011 06:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't want game advice from:
... Indian Troll

"It is easier in Mississippi, except I don't like the other races there."

[Tuthmosis]

(07-06-2011 06:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I forgot to add something to the original post...

People I don't want game advice from:
Lumiere
Indian Troll

Carry on...