[XPQ22]

Been going out solo again in New England this weekend and running into the usual problem - difficulty isolating. I was outside a bar talking with two young women who both seemed into me and:

"It’s a big problem if the friend is up in the conversation instead of lingering around in the vicinity. In that case it’s hard to get into the flirting and teasing stage with your girl because you’re forced to be the clown and engage them both at the same time. In that case the conversation remains generic, solid attraction isn’t built, and the girls walk away."

Exactly how it played out. They started out standing a good five feet away from me, but over the course of our five to ten minute chat they slowly moved closer, which I interpreted as interest. Eventually, though, unable to determine who was going to cockblock the other, they both kind of looked at each other and shrugged and bounced back inside.

So if they seem interested, do you guys just try to wait them out until one of them has to pee and disappears for a while? I apologize if these are dumb questions, but the last time I seriously went out at night was a good ten years ago, and back then it wasn't uncommon at all to encounter women at bars/clubs who were alone, or at least not tied down to a group. Now groups seem to be the norm, and women who might even be single run in mixed packs of girls and guys who might be orbiters or boyfriends or god knows what. It's really difficult to figure the dynamics out - things seem to have changed since I was younger.

The best looking woman in the bar, a redhead "8", was with a group of 5 guys. I also managed to get cockblocked by the doorman who wouldn't fuck off when I was trying to chat up a woman out front smoking.

She said "I don't like this place much, the guys here don't buy me drinks." She was perhaps a "5" after 4 beers...

I was hoping to maybe encounter a guy who would be able to act as my wingman temporarily but ugh, at these hipster bars I didn't come across a single guy outside smoking who didn't strike me as severely beta-fied and who I would trust to not cockblockme and go for the cutest one at the first opportunity.

At least I've now found a spot where the ratios seem to be close to maybe 1.5:1 on the weekends, so I think I'll try being persistent.

[Prof. Ligate]

First of all... not a silly question - everyone who rolls solo encounters this. The fact that you are putting yourself out there and reaching these kind of sticking points should be seen as a success in of itself. So good work.

What to do:

Pairs are obviously going to be tougher to game rolling solo than with a cool wingman who is on your level - but please... don't try and find a wingman in the club. You have no idea what kind of person they are and could/ probably will cockblock you. Game is hard enough without bringing another variable like some random dude you just met into the scene.

The great thing is with pairs is that they are straight up coming out to talk to guys. They don't have the stigma of a massive social group's judgment attached to giving numbers out or hooking up with a guy like a larger group - and although isolation from larger groups can be easier, pairs shouldn't be ignored as an approach for guys rolling solo.

What I personally like to do with pairs (once some physicality and attraction has been achieved) is bounce them to the dancefloor. Dancefloors typically are run amok by thirsty guys who will grind up on any girl. Pick one of the girls, dance for a bit.. and - once the other girl has caught the attention of another guy - isolate. If the guys are as lame as you mention - venue change.

Countless times I've done this where girls will actually create the isolation themselves (usually for a cigarette outside).

Hope it works out for you mate.

[1026]

Oh man, take em both to the dancefloor
& let the C.B get snapped up by a thirsty dub-stepper...

That's gold @ Prof. Ligate.

[civpro]

In my personal experience, this tactical aspect of winging, the Occupy and Game the Wing to Prevent the Cockblock, is overrated. For the most part, the friend won't even care about the wing, and will do what she does (cockblock or not) independent of that; even if she does engage the wing, if she has a mind to cockblock, this won't stop her.

If the target is truly sexually available and truly likes you, and the friend has a basic understanding of this, then she'll stick with you and be open to your advances without issue. Your actions and strategies make less of a difference than you think, and what's gonna happen will happen, either decided on from the outset or apprehended in the moment.