[solipsis85]

The anti FN propaganda is going very strong right now. Top mainstream newspaper like "Lemonde" go out of their way and explain us why it will be a disaster if they win, shamelessly taking position. Apparently the last time there was such propaganda against a party in France was in 1981, before the socialist François Mitterand was elected.

[porscheguy]

European politics doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Could someone explain how the election system works. It seems there's a lot of emphasis placed on political parties and that elections are held at random. Could someone clarify?

[Curunír]

(12-07-2015 03:52 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

European politics doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Could someone explain how the election system works. It seems there's a lot of emphasis placed on political parties and that elections are held at random. Could someone clarify?

What specific country do you want to know about?

Because each country has it's own rules, except that there are Europeean elections for the European parliament, a supranational body that has jurisdiction on many issues for EU countries.

What's very important are the French presidential elections of 2017.

It's pretty clear, but not assured that Marine Le Pen, leader of the Front National, will be at the second round (The two candidates who have the most votes in the first round have a standoff) And there are often 10+ candidates in the first round.

The question is if Le Pen can get more than 50% of the vote in the standoff either against Hollande or Sarkozy/Juppé. That seems very difficult, Le Pen Senior only had 18% in the 2002 standoff against Chirac, but those were other times.

Maybe Le Pen could win a standoff against Hollande, but I think the current president still has some gas in his tank for 2017, we will see.

[solipsis85]

(12-07-2015 09:22 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 03:52 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Its too far of a hope that Marion would be leading the party by 2017 election, I think her priorities are much better than her aunts. Still if she could be placed in charge of key issues that would be enough.

Her recent policies focus a lot on combating the corrupt wellfare state, which means a lot more budgets for things that matters and no freebies to whorish singlemothers/cat ladies. If this goes well it might even turn the whole decadent lifestyle around for that matter.

I'd be interested to hear more about this. In what way are Marion's priorities different from Marine's? The way I see it, the Front National is relevant for one thing and one thing only: the demographic battle to keep France French. Everything else, be it economy, foreign affairs, etc is icing on the cake. I'd be happy to have the icing, but give me the cake alone over icing alone any day.

So which of them is emphasizing the icing and which is focusing on the cake?

Marion Marechal Lepen is much more "traditionnalist" than her aunt Marine Lepen. She makes much more references to historical french figures, the christian roots of France, and is openly against free abortion (she says society should not pay for some women's inconsistencies).

Basically she has a very deep relationship wither her grand father, JM Lepen, and it shows in her ideas.

[Dalaran1991]

(12-07-2015 03:44 PM)solipsis85 Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 04:00 PM)Khan Wrote:  

If I'm not mistaken, the FN always fares better in French regional elections, compared to national elections. What are the odds they'll turn things around and win a substantial amount of votes in 2017?

The FN has doubled their results since last regional elections.

But the thing is, they will only have 2 or 3 regions in the end, because people who don't want the front national to rule will go out of their way and vote even for a party they don't like.

How much power does a local governor has in France? Say, if I move to FN, do I pay different taxes/follow different rules etc.?

Because lets face it, we who are on the ground in France are not that optimistic. The chance of FN winning is very slim, unless there's a lot more unrest going on next year. What we can do is relocate to FN stronghold, but I wonder if doing so will actually improve our situation (I dont know if french governors have as much power as say US state governor)

Also, is there a cause for FN leaders to fear assasination? I know that politically its very clumsy as a tactic but you never know, the left is getting desperate. And FN leaders have a habit of exposing themselves to public much more because unlike the cucks, they like to be at the front leading their people.

[solipsis85]

(12-07-2015 03:59 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:44 PM)solipsis85 Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 04:00 PM)Khan Wrote:  

If I'm not mistaken, the FN always fares better in French regional elections, compared to national elections. What are the odds they'll turn things around and win a substantial amount of votes in 2017?

The FN has doubled their results since last regional elections.

But the thing is, they will only have 2 or 3 regions in the end, because people who don't want the front national to rule will go out of their way and vote even for a party they don't like.

How much power does a local governor has in France? Say, if I move to FN, do I pay different taxes/follow different rules etc.?

Because lets face it, we who are on the ground in France are not that optimistic. The chance of FN winning is very slim, unless there's a lot more unrest going on next year. What we can do is relocate to FN stronghold, but I wonder if doing so will actually improve our situation (I dont know if french governors have as much power as say US state governor)

Also, is there a cause for FN leaders to fear assasination? I know that politically its very clumsy as a tactic but you never know, the left is getting desperate. And FN leaders have a habit of exposing themselves to public much more because unlike the cucks, they like to be at the front leading their people.

A region can't override national taxes, but can have a strong influence on local taxes. But in the end it won't have a strong impact on people's lives, to be honest.

It's more about what kind of local associations will be given money, what kind of events will be organized etc... I think right now french people vote as if it was a national election. They tell their mind.

[solipsis85]

(12-07-2015 03:59 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Because lets face it, we who are on the ground in France are not that optimistic. The chance of FN winning is very slim, unless there's a lot more unrest going on next year. What we can do is relocate to FN stronghold, but I wonder if doing so will actually improve our situation (I dont know if french governors have as much power as say US state governor)

Also, is there a cause for FN leaders to fear assasination? I know that politically its very clumsy as a tactic but you never know, the left is getting desperate. And FN leaders have a habit of exposing themselves to public much more because unlike the cucks, they like to be at the front leading their people.

I believe it's possible that the FN wins in 2017 if they don't mess up with the region (they will be scanned by journalists and crucified at the least mistake, despite their opponents having been involved in so many corruption affairs).

Their rise just has to continue a little bit.

Also I don't think they could be killed, that would only make them stronger. Or they would have to kill the whole Lepen family haha. But I suspect some fake affairs could be mounted to shame them. Or tiny affairs exaggeratedly being made a big deal.

The funny thing is that the FN was originally François Mitterand's tool to kill the right wing party (the republican's ancestors). Now the Frankenstein they created is goint to wipe them, good riddance.

[Edelweiss]

(12-07-2015 03:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:52 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

European politics doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Could someone explain how the election system works. It seems there's a lot of emphasis placed on political parties and that elections are held at random. Could someone clarify?

What specific country do you want to know about?

Because each country has it's own rules, except that there are Europeean elections for the European parliament, a supranational body that has jurisdiction on many issues for EU countries.

What's very important are the French presidential elections of 2017.

It's pretty clear, but not assured that Marine Le Pen, leader of the Front National, will be at the second round (The two candidates who have the most votes in the first round have a standoff) And there are often 10+ candidates in the first round.

The question is if Le Pen can get more than 50% of the vote in the standoff either against Hollande or Sarkozy/Juppé. That seems very difficult, Le Pen Senior only had 18% in the 2002 standoff against Chirac, but those were other times.

Maybe Le Pen could win a standoff against Hollande, but I think the current president still has some gas in his tank for 2017, we will see.

Le Pen will NEVER be president.

Even against Hollande in the 2nd round (unlikely, it will be Sarkozy) she will never get 51% of the votes.

All other voters will gang up on her, voting AGAINST her then FOR the other candidate.
Normally when both finalists don't suit you, you don't vote or vote nothing.
But the vehement leftists will vote against Le Pen, for sure.

Today the socialist mayor of Paris released a letter congratulating Parisians for not voting FN.
The whole speech was about how the FN didn't win. FN was mentioned SIX times in her letter. At no point did she congratulate her peeps for voting Socialist.

The war against FN is open. This is not democracy.
The whole arguments are how to counter the FN and not what the Socialists are willing to do or change should they win.

It is beyond ridiculous.

[solipsis85]

(12-07-2015 04:21 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

Le Pen will NEVER be president.

Even against Hollande in the 2nd round (unlikely, it will be Sarkozy) she will never get 51% of the votes.

All other voters will gang up on her, voting AGAINST her then FOR the other candidate.
Normally when both finalists don't suit you, you don't vote or vote nothing.
But the vehement leftists will vote against Le Pen, for sure.

Today the socialist mayor of Paris released a letter congratulating Parisians for not voting FN.
The whole speech was about how the FN didn't win. FN was mentioned SIX times in her letter. At no point did she congratulate her peeps for voting Socialist.

The war against FN is open. This is not democracy.
The whole arguments are how to counter the FN and not what the Socialists are willing to do or change should they win.

It is beyond ridiculous.

Many people would vote Lepen if their economic program was not so insane.

A good strategy would be to swear making referendums about their most controversial measures. After all, this is true democracy, and nobody's done that before. If they made this promess a short while before the elections, that could make a HUGE difference.

The fuel of the FN is the anti islam feeling, and this feeling is secretly shared by people from the whole political range.

[tom]

(12-07-2015 03:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

The question is if Le Pen can get more than 50% of the vote in the standoff either against Hollande or Sarkozy/Juppé. That seems very difficult, Le Pen Senior only had 18% in the 2002 standoff against Chirac, but those were other times.

What happens if she tops out at 40 % of the vote in a second round, 50% of whites, 60% white men of fighting age.

[Aer]

May not be 100% accurate, but relatively telling.

Think about it, the people who see the immigrants are more likely to vote Le Pen/Sarkozy than Hollande.

Correlation, not causation though, just to be hesitant. Maybe I'll run a regression on this.

[solipsis85]

Funny how they chose black to show the FN. Like it's a cancer, while the party's color is dark blue.

[tom]

(12-07-2015 05:37 PM)Aer Wrote:  

The above graph is a graph of births which are tested for sickle cell. It is only tested for children of african, arab or west asian ethnicities.

[Edelweiss]

(12-07-2015 05:53 PM)tom Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:37 PM)Aer Wrote:  

The above graph is a graph of births which are tested for sickle cell. It is only tested for children of african, arab or west asian ethnicities.

And you see in Brittany the % is very low at 5,5 and the Bretons voted Left.

[tom]

(12-07-2015 06:00 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

And you see in Brittany the % is very low at 5,5 and the Bretons voted Left.

It looks like very few whites vote for socialists outside of very white rural areas such as brittany or limosin.

[Going strong]

(12-07-2015 03:59 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Also, is there a cause for FN leaders to fear assasination? I know that politically its very clumsy as a tactic but you never know, the left is getting desperate. And FN leaders have a habit of exposing themselves to public much more because unlike the cucks, they like to be at the front leading their people.

The man who was number 2, and surely the most promising, leader of the FN, the man who would have modernized the FN ten years earlier, was car-crashed murdered by... a team of Western operatives, years ago. His name was, Stirbois.

RIP Jean-Pierre. Pas de pardon pour tes assassins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Stirbois

The man who would have saved France, and was murdered by... hint: it's not the Mossad... have a guess... anyway, do you recognize Marine on this pic?


The murder of mister Stirbois served as a reminder, for years, for other European politicians. They knew that, if they promoted nationalism, some X country would send them a "wet" team.

Reminds you of someone, yes? Pym Fortuin or Jorg Haider of course...

Below, Haider's car:


http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/...h/news.php

[Curunír]

(12-07-2015 04:21 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:52 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

European politics doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Could someone explain how the election system works. It seems there's a lot of emphasis placed on political parties and that elections are held at random. Could someone clarify?

What specific country do you want to know about?

Because each country has it's own rules, except that there are Europeean elections for the European parliament, a supranational body that has jurisdiction on many issues for EU countries.

What's very important are the French presidential elections of 2017.

It's pretty clear, but not assured that Marine Le Pen, leader of the Front National, will be at the second round (The two candidates who have the most votes in the first round have a standoff) And there are often 10+ candidates in the first round.

The question is if Le Pen can get more than 50% of the vote in the standoff either against Hollande or Sarkozy/Juppé. That seems very difficult, Le Pen Senior only had 18% in the 2002 standoff against Chirac, but those were other times.

Maybe Le Pen could win a standoff against Hollande, but I think the current president still has some gas in his tank for 2017, we will see.

Le Pen will NEVER be president.

Even against Hollande in the 2nd round (unlikely, it will be Sarkozy) she will never get 51% of the votes.

All other voters will gang up on her, voting AGAINST her then FOR the other candidate.
Normally when both finalists don't suit you, you don't vote or vote nothing.
But the vehement leftists will vote against Le Pen, for sure.

Today the socialist mayor of Paris released a letter congratulating Parisians for not voting FN.
The whole speech was about how the FN didn't win. FN was mentioned SIX times in her letter. At no point did she congratulate her peeps for voting Socialist.

The war against FN is open. This is not democracy.
The whole arguments are how to counter the FN and not what the Socialists are willing to do or change should they win.

It is beyond ridiculous.

Opinion polls have actually showed here WINNING against Hollande in a standoff and in the low 40's against Sarkozy/Juppé.

You can bet on her at 4/1 odds.

So I don't understand why you say she will NEVER be president, you should maybe say it's unlikely in your opinion.

[N°6]

(12-07-2015 08:03 AM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Local press here in Argentina still calls "extreme right wing" and "xenophobic" to the FN, but i am happy with their victory. Hope for the best in the ballotage.

Just goes to show what US pop-culture on TV and Argentina's treasury being run from Washington DC has done to a country where Peron is often regarded as a saint.

[N°6]

(12-07-2015 08:21 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

It troubles me that France can make waves with their nationalism but here in England we are neutered like a dog. I am sure many millions of English people will follow France if it comes down to facing off against this US-German-EU cancer.

For those in this thread who see the FN's economic policies as too 'left-wing', first look at the most financial-democratic countries in the West. How healthy is national consciousness in the UK, US and the Netherlands - those great protectors of global usury?

Also, compare what 70-odd years of Communism did to Russia and Eastern European nationalism with what the fusion of International Troyskyism and International Capital (New Left/ Neo-Conservatives) did to Western nations since the 1960s.

The FN's economic policies seem to be a blend of traditional Roman Catholic fiscal teaching and 19th Century Prussian protectionism which caused the united-German Second Reich to overtake the UK when its élite was dressing up in Indian-Raj costumes and ignoring the high levels of child slavery in British factories.

People should re-read Charles Dickens.

[Going strong]

(12-08-2015 12:12 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 08:03 AM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Local press here in Argentina still calls "extreme right wing" and "xenophobic" the FN, but i am happy with their victory. Hope for the best in the ballotage.

Just goes to show what US pop-culture on TV and Argentina's treasury being run from Washington DC has done to a country where Peron is often regarded as a saint.

Peron who himself was absolutely not an anti-(non-European)migrants military leader, of course... oh wait...

[Edelweiss]

(12-07-2015 08:35 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:21 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:55 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 03:52 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

European politics doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Could someone explain how the election system works. It seems there's a lot of emphasis placed on political parties and that elections are held at random. Could someone clarify?

What specific country do you want to know about?

Because each country has it's own rules, except that there are Europeean elections for the European parliament, a supranational body that has jurisdiction on many issues for EU countries.

What's very important are the French presidential elections of 2017.

It's pretty clear, but not assured that Marine Le Pen, leader of the Front National, will be at the second round (The two candidates who have the most votes in the first round have a standoff) And there are often 10+ candidates in the first round.

The question is if Le Pen can get more than 50% of the vote in the standoff either against Hollande or Sarkozy/Juppé. That seems very difficult, Le Pen Senior only had 18% in the 2002 standoff against Chirac, but those were other times.

Maybe Le Pen could win a standoff against Hollande, but I think the current president still has some gas in his tank for 2017, we will see.

Le Pen will NEVER be president.

Even against Hollande in the 2nd round (unlikely, it will be Sarkozy) she will never get 51% of the votes.

All other voters will gang up on her, voting AGAINST her then FOR the other candidate.
Normally when both finalists don't suit you, you don't vote or vote nothing.
But the vehement leftists will vote against Le Pen, for sure.

Today the socialist mayor of Paris released a letter congratulating Parisians for not voting FN.
The whole speech was about how the FN didn't win. FN was mentioned SIX times in her letter. At no point did she congratulate her peeps for voting Socialist.

The war against FN is open. This is not democracy.
The whole arguments are how to counter the FN and not what the Socialists are willing to do or change should they win.

It is beyond ridiculous.

Opinion polls have actually showed here WINNING against Hollande in a standoff and in the low 40's against Sarkozy/Juppé.

You can bet on her at 4/1 odds.

So I don't understand why you say she will NEVER be president, you should maybe say it's unlikely in your opinion.

Yes in my opinion it's highly unlikely that she will win...highly unlikely close to never.
Because even if polls do give her a win against Hollande, it's again very highly unlikely that she will be facing him in the finals; it'll be against Sarkozy.

Moreover, I simply don't believe or see my countrymen granting her 50%+ of the votes.

[Dalaran1991]

^^Agree with above. The people are mighty sick of the left but when it comes finals if they have to choose between a central right and an extreme right they will most definitely choose central right.

Which isn't gonna solve anything. Sarkozy is famous for his alliance with the West and global powers. He will loosen a lot for the rich and upper classes but for most of us things will still suck. At least, there won't be mass illegal immigration.

What sticks to me the most is that, other than FN, nobody is adressing the fuckup wellfare system and abortion laws. So many French have been accustomed to freebies and whorish attitude, they would rather see their country burn than have those priviliges taken away from them.

[Samseau]

At the end of the day, I don't think FN will win because it's run by a woman. And even if they do win they won't fix France because FN is run by a woman.

Even the greatest women leaders of history weren't that great when you actually break down their policies and effects. Right now the situation facing France is extraordinary, and women don't have what it takes to confront and solve the problem.

[blacknwhitespade]

Curious, what demographics of people in France are voting for FN? Urban? Rural? Natives? I see it has it's strength in the Riviera, the northeastern and central parts of the country.

[britchard]

(12-08-2015 11:43 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

Curious, what demographics of people in France are voting for FN? Urban? Rural? Natives? I see it has it's strength in the Riviera, the northeastern and central parts of the country.

It's basically whites who aren't secluded from large foreign communities. This is why Breton (North West) still votes socialist, don't really feel the effects of Hollande's policies as much. The same with Limousin, although I must say it's a beautiful area.