[Going strong]

(12-13-2015 08:42 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 05:06 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

So, this second-round of elections played out like I feared it would:

45% of Whites voted for the nationalist Right FN

45% of Whites voted for the center-Right, almost (cuck-)nationalist LesRepublicains

10% of Whites voted for the leftist PS (socialist party), along with 99% of Blacks and 85% of "Arabs".

So, the Left wins... The only solution is for the Right (FN) and center-right (LesRepublicains) to say: "fuck you" to main-stream media, and unite.

Because, as long as the White vote will be evenly split between Right (FN) and center-Right (LesRepublicains), it's the Left and its ethnic vote that will win.

Also, it's a sad proof that White people are not masters of their fate anymore in France. We are under the sway of an alliance of SJWs, old commies, Black and Maghreb (ex)migrants.

A positive note: as Bayrou just noted, socialist Bartolone lost the big Paris region to Valerie Pecresse , because Bartolone insulted the White race, a few days ago:

"Bayrou: "Bartolone a peut-être perdu sur cette injure de "la race blanche""
Selon le président du MoDem François Bayrou, la tête de liste socialiste en Ile-de-France, Claude Bartolone, qui avait accusé son adversaire de droite Valérie Pécresse de défendre la "race blanche" pour "faire les poches" du FN, a "peut-être perdu sur cette injure de la race blanche". "

We agree that the situation is sad, but it's not by posting false information as if it were stastitical facts that we will get anywhere.

It's not true that only 10% of whites voted socialists, the left gathered importants numbers in the West of the country, as Bretagne, Limousin, many places that are highly white, Loire, Normandie also.

It's probable that the number of whites who voted PS in the second round would be more around 30%, and highly more in some regions.

If 90% of whites voted for Les Républicains or FN, then things would be much better, but it's not the case.

Also, it's not a winner takes all system, FN gathered more than 120 seats out of maybe 400 in the country, not that bad, but Marine Le pen needs to win the presidency to get anywhere.

To begin with, statistics are not available, because ethnic statistics are illegal in France. (But we do have the drepanocitosis medical statistics, proving that around 35% of children born in France have at least one African parent...)

Where statistics are available, it's, for example, in the number of seats, and in this case, you are proven totally wrong. The FN did not gather "120" as you said, but more than 350 "conseillers regionaux" (regional counselors) seats.

Now, back to ethnic stats. You are referring to the cases of Limousin and Bretagne: yes these regions are full of Whites, but these regions are almost empty. Statistically they are marginal, especially Limousin...

Anyway, you are wrong when you say that lots of Whites voted for the Left in the Loire or center-of-France areas... in the centre, the Left got 35% of global votes: it's the maghrebi and Black ethnic votes from islamized cities like Orleans (have you seen Orleans suburbs?? no better than the 9-3), plus 10 or 15% of votes from the old Whites...

So, I maintain my analysis: nationwide, the Left got 35% of global votes by aggregating the Black vote (around 12%), the Maghrebi vote (around 13%) and ten points of White votes. There is no other explanation. Ask any Frenchman, he'll tell you that Black vote and Maghrebi vote cannot be estimated under 12% each... So, you have 25% of the votes for the Left right here. Just add 10 points of the White votes (ok, ten points out of 75% is a bit more than 10%, granted) and voila

Example: I followed live the results in the Center-of-France, and the Right and Center-Right were winning, easily, with the countryside White votes, before the results of islamized Orleans suburbs came in: they tipped the balance for the Left. Once again.

One thing: nobody noticed that the Corses (from the island of Corsica), decided to go their own way: they gave a majority vote to independentists. So, right here you have a heaven for European culture, in the middle of the Mediterranean!



Make no mistake: it's a big, hard hit on globalism, this victory of Corsican nationalists , and note that between the 2 election rounds, moderate nationalists of Gilles Simeoni allied with non-moderate (pro armed resistance) nationalists of Jean-Guy Talamoni...

[N°6]

(12-13-2015 05:45 PM)Saga Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 04:41 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

I feel that guys are underestimating the effectiveness of democracies in channeling the will of the public over time.

It's true that the FN did not win any regions in this election, but the results will put a real scare into the mainstream parties. The consequence of this will be that these parties -- particularly the center right -- will begin to gradually adopt and co-opt the policies that FN is advocating.

Your wider analysis has merit but on this point I disagree...if recent European political history is anything to go by, the center right will co-opt those policies in words only, and in practice continue the exact same policies as before. We've already seen this in the UK: the Tory leadership talk about changing immigration numbers all the time, yet it still stands at 300k+ net immigrants per year, same as before and same as in the near future. The center's constant promises of sensible changes are nothing but talk, lies not worth the paper they're printed on.

And not to get on a tangent about systems of government, but it's one of those great paradoxes that democracy, especially one with mechanisms designed to buttress the center as in France, isn't particularly good at responding to the concerns of the people. Media noise, not logic or reason or sobriety, typically wins the day.

In 1979, the British National Front was poised to take major electoral gains. The 1970s saw the UK's decline accelerate, it being put into administration by the IMF, it having to adopt a 3-day week and it being branded 'the sick man of Europe' (a term originally used to describe the Ottoman Empire in its last stages of decline).

Worryingly for the Establishment, the British National Front had members from all strata of British life, from the workers to aristocrats, men and women. (The most problematic element of these third force, populist movements after their nationalism in the age of financial and social globalism is that they preach 'class reconciliation' as opposed to Marx's 'class warfare'. The binary Left-Right system is the process of dialectical materialism (thesis v anti-thesis) which produces the planned synthesis. Any movement which rejects playing a part of the Left v Right dynamic can potentially compromise the whole system.

Then came a certain Margaret Thatcher who began to campaign that Britain was being 'swamped' by immigrants and that she would put a stop to it. This caused the NF's middle class and blue collar (known as The Sun reading Essex man Tories) support to collapse and 18 years of rule by the Conservative Party which won the patriotic vote. During its tenure, it destroyed the UK's manufacturing base and communities then asked the same shattered communities why they couldn't be as socially conservative as middle class Indians.

The UKIP is more of a Margaret Thatcher party than it is a nationalist party. Then there are the street elements of the EDL which attracted suited men from the Washington DC neo-con and Zionist think-tanks.

In short, cuckservatism waving flags when it suits it and neo-con, Zionist anti-Islam rhetoric are a threat to organic nationalism.

Let's remember a recent case and point which is relevant to this thread. What do Sarkozy, Merkel and Cameron have in common? They are all from the 'right' of the dialectical process and they have all declared that multiculturalism is a FAILURE. After these pronouncement, has multicultural engineering increased or decreased in Europe?

[N°6]

Here is an interesting piece from wikipedia of all places...

Quote:

2002 presidential election

For the 2002 presidential election, opinion polls had predicted a run-off between incumbent President Chirac and PS candidate Lionel Jospin.[129][130] The shock was thus great when Le Pen unexpectedly beat Jospin (by 0.7%) in the first round.[130] This resulted in the first presidential run-off since 1969 without a leftist candidate, and the first ever with a candidate of the far-right.[131] To Le Pen's advantage, the election campaign had increasingly focused on law and order issues, helped by media attention on a number of violent incidents.[132] Jospin had also been weakened due to the competition between an exceptional number of leftist parties.[133] Nevertheless, Chirac did not even have to campaign in the second round, as widespread anti-Le Pen protests from the media and public opinion culminated on May Day, with an estimated 1.5 million demonstrators across France.[134] Chirac also refused to debate with Le Pen, and the traditional televised debate was cancelled.[135] In the end, Chirac won the presidential run-off with an unprecedented 82.2% of the vote and with 71% of his votes—according to polls—cast simply "to block Le Pen".[135] Following the presidential election, the main centre-right parties merged to form the broad-based Union for a Popular Movement (UMP).[136] The FN failed to hold on to Le Pen's support for the 2002 legislative elections, in which it got 11.3% of the vote.[137] It nevertheless outpolled Mégret's MNR, which won a mere 1.1% support, even though it had fielded the same amount of candidates.[138]

Quick analysis: the FN genie has escaped from the bottle for over a decade now and it has had a dramatic affect on the other main parties. The dialectical Left and Right have merged during electoral campaigns just to combat the FN and the Right itself has had to consolidate itself, first by forming the UMP then again by forming the even more general Republicans.

Then look at this for a shocker:

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Late 2000s decline

A new electoral system of two-round voting had been introduced for the 2004 regional elections, in part in an attempt to reduce the FN's influence in regional councils.[139] The FN won 15.1% of the vote in metropolitan France, almost the same as in 1998, but its number of councillors was almost halved due to the new electoral system.[140] For the 2004 European elections too, a new system less favourable to the FN had been introduced.[141] The party regained some of its strength from 1999, earning 9.8% of the vote and seven seats.[141]

For the 2007 presidential election, Le Pen and Mégret agreed to join forces. Le Pen came fourth in the election with 11% of the vote, and the party won no seats in the legislative election of the same year. The party's 4.3% support was the lowest score since the 1981 election and only one candidate, Marine Le Pen in Pas de Calais, reached the runoff (where she was defeated by the Socialist incumbent). These electoral defeats partly accounted for the party's financial problems. Le Pen announced the sale of the FN headquarters in Saint-Cloud, Le Paquebot, and of his personal armoured car.[142] Twenty permanent employees of the FN were also dismissed in 2008.[143] In the 2010 regional elections the FN appeared to have re-emerged on the political scene after surprisingly winning almost 12% of the overall vote and 118 seats.[144]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

When you look at the bigger picture since the 2002 presidential election shock, the recovery of the FN from its decline due to deliberate tinkering of French and EU voting systems is actually very impressive.

I think that behind all the celebrations by the PS and Republicans, they know that the FN is stronger than the electoral results suggest.

Also note the relevance of the year 1969 mentioned above. This was when the CIA backed New Left consisting of the spoiled children of the bourgeoisie took over the socialist party. This White leadership of the socialists is in terminal decline as Going Strong as mentioned above.

[Fast Eddie]

Yeah, the idea that France's mainstream "right" will adopt some of the FN's platform in response to the latter's growing popularity is beyond laughable. I can't believe people still don't understand this simple truth:

Western mainstream political parties have no agency. They are merely tools to push the globalist, anti-white agenda of the elite. The elite doesn't care which particular party is in power, so long as the genocide of the West's native population continues. It is this genocide that is the key objective, and so from the elites' perspective, it doesn't matter whether the genocide is averted through the rise of a "far right" party into power or the actions of the mainstream political parties. Either way, the end result is that the genocide is averted, and that is not an acceptable outcome for the elites. In this way they will clearly continue to push the genocidal platform via the mainstream left/right and try to demographically overwhelm the nascent reactionary response of the dwindling native population.

So expect the opposite to happen. Voters only turn to the "far right" once they have been exposed to diversity. But the key question is whether the rate at which whites turn to the "far right" in response to genocide faster or slower than the rate at which the genocide causes their political disenfranchisement? The elites will respond to any shift by whites toward the right not by slowing down the genocide, but by accelerating it. It doesn't matter if the genocide gets to bad that 100% of whites vote for FN, if the whites are only 49% of the population.

The message the elites got from this election is clear:

Keep calm and more Kebab.

[Tresor]

Another act of islamic terror in a Paris suburb.

I'm starting to wonder how many of those low-scale attacks go unreported...

The mainstream media are ranting on how "this is just an isolated lunatic because he used the acronym Daesh while real jihadists never call themselves so".

"That is just a crazy unstable person trying to give meaning to his horrible gesture".

Of course.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35091362

France teacher stabbed in class by man citing Islamic State

A teacher has been attacked in a classroom in a northern suburb of the French capital, Paris, by a man citing the so-called Islamic State group.

The attack took place when the teacher was alone in the classroom in Aubervilliers, French media said.

The attacker reportedly arrived wearing a mask and gloves but was unarmed and used weapons he found in the classroom.

A local prosecutor said that the man had shouted: "It's Daesh [Islamic State]. It's a warning."

The attacker was reportedly wielding a box cutter and scissors and is still on the run.

[blacknwhitespade]

(12-13-2015 03:08 PM)uncledick Wrote:  

I just wanted to add, this result is really disheartening. One wonders how bad it has to get before a party like FN gets into power, if ever. How many attacks, how many more migrants, how much more crime etc.. and if people wake up, will they have the electoral strength/numbers to ever turn it around? The possible pool of voters that nationalist parties can draw from is getting ever smaller and constrained.

If France is anything like the USA, it's going to take a generation. A new generation of children who grew up amongst this stuff and see the flaws and bad results from leftist policy and lifestyle. The current generation are steeped in this kind of thought and even as their lives suffer as a result, they can't get out of that mentality and probably never will. It's the young children today who will become adults tomorrow that will bring about a different perspective and way of doing stuff.

[redpillage]

Good pertinent article on ZeroHedge.:

Europe seriously risks being flooded with people, while its economy shrinks like a cotton jersey in an autumn rain storm. And who’s going to be looking at the wannabe dictators in Brussels for help then? Nations will end up deciding to decide for themselves. And because all politicians but the far right have unequivocally supported the Union for many years, guess who’ll be coming to dinner?

[nomadbrah]

I have quite a few friends in Copenhagen and the recent news is that Copenhagen now will have to accept refugees like other muncipalities - 5000 to be exact.

Copenhagen, like most European capitals, have absolutely no housing available for ordinary people. There's been nothing but stories the last years about how students literally can't find a bed and have to sleep in trailer park mobile homes outside the city. It really is bad.

Then along comes the refugees and the Mayor goes public assuring everyone they will find the room, perhaps use some of their defunct elderly care facilities, schools and hospitals.

This to me is such a massive slap in the face. Here you have a muncipality which has vehemently refused to give its own citizens homes, not even single mothers could guilt their way into an apartment, but the second the immigrants turn up, suddenly now there are 5000 cheap apartments ready.

This is such a massive betrayal and proves the elite really must hate the ordinary citizen.

[Odin]

(12-14-2015 01:09 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 03:08 PM)uncledick Wrote:  

I just wanted to add, this result is really disheartening. One wonders how bad it has to get before a party like FN gets into power, if ever. How many attacks, how many more migrants, how much more crime etc.. and if people wake up, will they have the electoral strength/numbers to ever turn it around? The possible pool of voters that nationalist parties can draw from is getting ever smaller and constrained.

If France is anything like the USA, it's going to take a generation. A new generation of children who grew up amongst this stuff and see the flaws and bad results from leftist policy and lifestyle. The current generation are steeped in this kind of thought and even as their lives suffer as a result, they can't get out of that mentality and probably never will. It's the young children today who will become adults tomorrow that will bring about a different perspective and way of doing stuff.

I don't think they have a generation of time to think about it, the soft kids brought up easy are giving away the freedom that we and our fathers fought for. In one generation, the muslims will be the majority in Europe, and they will hold the power, i don't think a french society ruled by Muslims will be "tolerant" with Christians or anyone that is non muslim, lets see the Liberal values then ...

[redpillage]

Odin in the previous comment mentions the freedoms and luxuries that we all inherited from our forefathers. They weren't handed to us by any God - no, our ancestors build them, they earned them with their sweat and their own blood. Speaking of which, you may remember this scene from 'There Will Be Blood':

Watch it and perhaps remember it next time someone tells you that you owe anything to anyone, least of which shameless Muslim immigrants. Their countries are literally drowning in oil. So explain to me how it is they didn't turn their nations into powerful and rich super powers even remotely resembling the United States or other Western nations? How come their countries, almost without exception, continue to be mired in war and misery? And then please explain to me why the fuck we are importing these people into our countries, our cities, our homes?

These troglodytes invade us, insult us, spit on us, rape our women, take our money, and laugh in our faces. And to top it all off they then try to force their misguided religion onto us and attempt to destroy our way of life via terrorist acts on innocent civilians. Do you really think that any man alive just 100 years ago would have not happily given his life to personally kill at least a dozen of those mofos? What the hell does that say about US as men? WHY do we tolerate this shit? Because we are afraid to be attacked on social media? Because we fear for our job? Or ISIS may hunt us down? Our forefathers would turn in their graves if they realized what cowards inherited the world they built with their bare hands. Why there aren't millions of men on forums like this, planning, organizing, preparing, truly escapes me. We are but a tiny minority, but we are brothers in arms. In fact - we are all we have, as everyone else is against us.

My apologies for this outburst but reading these threads I sometimes feel like I am watching a bad episode of the Twilight Zone.

[Fast Eddie]

(12-14-2015 04:21 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

These troglodytes invade us, insult us, spit on us, rape our women, take our money, and laugh in our faces. And to top it all off they then try to force their misguided religion onto us and attempt to destroy our way of life via terrorist acts on innocent civilians. Do you really think that any man alive just 100 years ago would have not happily given his life to personally kill at least a dozen of those mofos? What the hell does that say about US as men? WHY do we tolerate this shit? Because we are afraid to be attacked on social media? Because we fear for our job? Or ISIS may hunt us down? Our forefathers would turn in their graves if they realized what cowards inherited the world they built with their bare hands. Why there aren't millions of men on forums like this, planning, organizing, preparing, truly escapes me. We are but a tiny minority, but we are brothers in arms. In fact - we are all we have, as everyone else is against us.

My apologies for this outburst but reading these threads I sometimes feel like I am watching a bad episode of the Twilight Zone.

Why? Because we hate the fucking liberal and cuckservative scum that comprises the majority of our population far more than we hate the Muslims. I'd never in a minute consider making huge personal sacrifices to fight for these self-righteous subhumans while they spit and yell at me and aid and abet the enemy. Let them enjoy their moral superiority while it lasts, I don't mind. I also won't mind when they are slaves brutalized under the heavy whip hand of the enemy, for they will not only have brought it upon themselves but cast down the few people who had the courage to stand up for them in the process.

With that said, I used "we" but of course I only speak for myself. The men of hundreds of years ago had a people to fight for and families. I only have myself, and the way I see it, the most realistic way to fight the battle of my own fate is not to hold territory to the bitter end but to retreat until retreat is no longer possible. I certainly will not sacrifice my own life for the interest of people who would hate me for it.

[Dalaran1991]

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I don't think they have a generation of time to think about it, the soft kids brought up easy are giving away the freedom that we and our fathers fought for.

Yeah. Have you EVER seen or heard any kid brought up in this generation talked about how horrible that women get to vote and all these special treatment, while not even a century ago this would have been a laugh in the face?

More likely the new generation will be raised thinking their Muslims overlord's ass shine brighter than the sun and that it is normal to let a refugee sleep with your wife because hospitality.

If they have to act, they have to act now but I think that window is slipping.

I think Samseau has been right after all. Either open conflict break out now or Europe slips forever into a helpless slide.

I dont think that argument: if things get worse, nations will say fuck it and looking out for themselves. Western Europe have already lost that sense of self-preservation, and are run by traitors who hate their own nations, while the true patriots are branded traitors by their own countrymen.

I feel like the best way to protect yourself from this is a detachment from all cultures and an "enjoy the decline" attitude. We will have to jump from country to country, take what we can and leave before the next storm hit.

What use is stay and fight when the very culture/people you want to fight for condemn you?

[YossariansRight]

(12-14-2015 09:07 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 04:21 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

These troglodytes invade us, insult us, spit on us, rape our women, take our money, and laugh in our faces. And to top it all off they then try to force their misguided religion onto us and attempt to destroy our way of life via terrorist acts on innocent civilians. Do you really think that any man alive just 100 years ago would have not happily given his life to personally kill at least a dozen of those mofos? What the hell does that say about US as men? WHY do we tolerate this shit? Because we are afraid to be attacked on social media? Because we fear for our job? Or ISIS may hunt us down? Our forefathers would turn in their graves if they realized what cowards inherited the world they built with their bare hands. Why there aren't millions of men on forums like this, planning, organizing, preparing, truly escapes me. We are but a tiny minority, but we are brothers in arms. In fact - we are all we have, as everyone else is against us.

My apologies for this outburst but reading these threads I sometimes feel like I am watching a bad episode of the Twilight Zone.

Why? Because we hate the fucking liberal and cuckservative scum that comprises the majority of our population far more than we hate the Muslims. I'd never in a minute consider making huge personal sacrifices to fight for these self-righteous subhumans while they spit and yell at me and aid and abet the enemy. Let them enjoy their moral superiority while it lasts, I don't mind. I also won't mind when they are slaves brutalized under the heavy whip hand of the enemy, for they will not only have brought it upon themselves but cast down the few people who had the courage to stand up for them in the process.

With that said, I used "we" but of course I only speak for myself. The men of hundreds of years ago had a people to fight for and families. I only have myself, and the way I see it, the most realistic way to fight the battle of my own fate is not to hold territory to the bitter end but to retreat until retreat is no longer possible. I certainly will not sacrifice my own life for the interest of people who would hate me for it.

"People" that value a new pair of sneakers or the latest "smart"phone over life itself? I'm with you man. Fuck them.

I've referenced "The Walking Dead" a few times on the Islamic/immigration/political threads for a reason: With the way "society" is today, it's truly every man for himself, just like that show.

[YossariansRight]

(12-15-2015 06:01 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Quote:

I don't think they have a generation of time to think about it, the soft kids brought up easy are giving away the freedom that we and our fathers fought for.

Yeah. Have you EVER seen or heard any kid brought up in this generation talked about how horrible that women get to vote and all these special treatment, while not even a century ago this would have been a laugh in the face?

More likely the new generation will be raised thinking their Muslims overlord's ass shine brighter than the sun and that it is normal to let a refugee sleep with your wife because hospitality.

If they have to act, they have to act now but I think that window is slipping.

I think Samseau has been right after all. Either open conflict break out now or Europe slips forever into a helpless slide.

I dont think that argument: if things get worse, nations will say fuck it and looking out for themselves. Western Europe have already lost that sense of self-preservation, and are run by traitors who hate their own nations, while the true patriots are branded traitors by their own countrymen.

I feel like the best way to protect yourself from this is a detachment from all cultures and an "enjoy the decline" attitude. We will have to jump from country to country, take what we can and leave before the next storm hit.

What use is stay and fight when the very culture/people you want to fight for condemn you?

Like Zerobama and Trump here. It's worldwide.

Remember when Obama labeled people "bitter clingers"? That's applicable to Christiabs; his fellow Muslims were exempt from that classification.

It's too bad the Western Europeans are too punch drunk/delusional/stupid to save themselves though.

We Americans have one last chance in 2016. And that election's for the whole ball of wax. Elect a Democratic president and it really is "turn off the lights" time.

[britchard]

Muslim Prayer Room wrecked and Qurans burnt in Corsica after 2 firemen were attacked when called to a 'housing project'.

Would like a french player to confirm, but I assume the housing project is just the PC name for a banlieue? Those are the places where it's unsafe even for authorities right?

[Going strong]

(12-26-2015 12:22 PM)britchard Wrote:  

Muslim Prayer Room wrecked and Qurans burnt in Corsica after 2 firemen were attacked when called to a 'housing project'.

Would like a french player to confirm, but I assume the housing project is just the PC name for a banlieue? Those are the places where it's unsafe even for authorities right?

Yes, it's a banlieue. The Mosque has been attacked for 2 straight days (yesterday and a few hours ago).

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Corsicans can do it because, even though they are unfortunate enough to be White, they are considered a "minority"! So the government fears them.