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(12-03-2015 05:29 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:29 PM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  

I would argue that women know full-well that friendzoning is an act of utmost disrespect. I have spoken to sluts post-sex about their orbiters, many of them laughed and took the piss, knowing full well that these guys were just wimps that they was taking advantage of.

It is important to realize that she knows full-well what she is doing. If you accept this kind of disrespect, she sees you as even weaker and loses respect for you completely. The only possible high-value response is walking away and never looking back, anything else is weak beyond repair.

Actually dudes friend zone themselves. It's their behavior/action (or even inaction) that causes her reaction. Friend zoning is just a consequence of our (it's happened to all of us) inability to maintain/ create the attraction...."tingles"

However, to your point, a girl does decide whether exploit the power she has over an orbiter. But then the decision to remain in the friend zone and allow it to continue is back to being the dude's decision.

This is good. Look inwards, don't assign the blame on the girl. After all she's merely fishing - like all of us...

With your actions or inaction, if you demonstrate you're not worth unhooking and putting into the TAKE HOME BOX then she'll throw you back into the sea. Not to worry, next time will be better...

[Days of Broken Arrows]

"Friends? Funny you should say that because I was just gonna mention I have more in common with your friend XXXX. Is she seeing anyone?"

If you want to slap back at the lets-be-friends blow-off, I've found this is an effective way.

[Tigre]

It's not a shit test.

Neither is it a dumping.

It's more like an ultimatum. She doesn't want to be a booty call. She would be open to a relationship.

It's kind of like when a girl isn't putting out after numerous dates. So the guy reaches his limit and cuts her off. But he wishes he didn't have to.

From the female point of view - she opened up and started having sex, but she's not getting much good vibes and bonding in return. So she reluctantly moves to cut the guy off, even though she wishes it were different.

It's the kind of move where she feels she lost control, so she takes some kind of action to feel like she gained it back.

Another way chicks do this is to block you after you hit and quit and you've gone silent. Deep down they know you just weren't paying attention to them after you banged. So they hit "block" on you to convince themselves that they are still in control of the direction things are moving. The alternative is that she passively waits for the day you decide to text her again. But this makes her feel impotent and uncomfortable, hence the block.

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

I'm not a big fan of the term shit test, I think it's usefulness stops at being a catch-all for anything a woman says that isn't helpful to you banging her...which is kind of the point.

It sounds a little desperate more than manipulative. Then again, I don't think it's wise to underestimate the ability of a woman to be deceitful in order to make herself feel like she's got control.

I don't know the exact situation but if I got that text I'd think "Oh, she doesn't want to be totally slutty". Isn't that kind of admirable? I'd kinda think that's the behavior we should be rewarding...then I'd remember she's really not worth the brain power and next the bitch.

(she did mention having been run through by a shit load of alpha 'jerks' and her plea for a relationship is probably a test to see if you are willing to take her off the carousel)

[birthday cat]

(12-03-2015 07:41 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

It's not a shit test.

Neither is it a dumping.

It's more like an ultimatum. She doesn't want to be a booty call. She would be open to a relationship.

It's kind of like when a girl isn't putting out after numerous dates. So the guy reaches his limit and cuts her off. But he wishes he didn't have to.

From the female point of view - she opened up and started having sex, but she's not getting much good vibes and bonding in return. So she reluctantly moves to cut the guy off, even though she wishes it were different.

It's the kind of move where she feels she lost control, so she takes some kind of action to feel like she gained it back.

Another way chicks do this is to block you after you hit and quit and you've gone silent. Deep down they know you just weren't paying attention to them after you banged. So they hit "block" on you to convince themselves that they are still in control of the direction things are moving. The alternative is that she passively waits for the day you decide to text her again. But this makes her feel impotent and uncomfortable, hence the block.

I agree with this. Lex S misinterpreted the message. It wasn't "Let's just be friends". She felt like a booty call but wanted to be something more.

Lex S has to decide if he wants her as more than a booty call. If no - forget about her. If yes - might be able to save it if too much time hasn't gone by.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-03-2015 07:26 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

"Friends? Funny you should say that because I was just gonna mention I have more in common with your friend XXXX. Is she seeing anyone?"

If you want to slap back at the lets-be-friends blow-off, I've found this is an effective way.

Definitely. Pick her closest friend or sister or roomate or arch nemesis

Her "Can we be friends"
You "Sure"
wait 1 hr
You "Can you be a friend and give me your roomate's #? she's cute."

Then you have her trapped. You can follow up with guilt like "what? you're telling me you don't help your friends find love?"

or

"No? Ok then, just me the snapchat of the biggest slut you know, I could use some breakup sex"

As other posters have said, at this point you are done. At best you may be able to get a drunk text ONS. Might as well play a game with her that says "I see through your bullshit"

[WestIndianArchie]

Tigre is on point. I didn't fully read the OP

(12-03-2015 07:41 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

It's not a shit test.

Neither is it a dumping.

It's more like an ultimatum. She doesn't want to be a booty call. She would be open to a relationship.

It's kind of like when a girl isn't putting out after numerous dates. So the guy reaches his limit and cuts her off. But he wishes he didn't have to.

From the female point of view - she opened up and started having sex, but she's not getting much good vibes and bonding in return. So she reluctantly moves to cut the guy off, even though she wishes it were different.

It's the kind of move where she feels she lost control, so she takes some kind of action to feel like she gained it back.

Another way chicks do this is to block you after you hit and quit and you've gone silent. Deep down they know you just weren't paying attention to them after you banged. So they hit "block" on you to convince themselves that they are still in control of the direction things are moving. The alternative is that she passively waits for the day you decide to text her again. But this makes her feel impotent and uncomfortable, hence the block.

[RatInTheWoods]

(12-03-2015 07:41 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

It's not a shit test.

Neither is it a dumping.

It's more like an ultimatum. She doesn't want to be a booty call. She would be open to a relationship.

It's kind of like when a girl isn't putting out after numerous dates. So the guy reaches his limit and cuts her off. But he wishes he didn't have to.

+1 for Tigres insightful analysis of this situation.