[Oz.]

It would seem that all the times I have some how fucked up it was because I was like "chill out gut".

[Cheetah]

(12-04-2015 07:13 PM)nek Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 07:10 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

How soon after you've met a girl for the first time do you usually get a gut instinct about how much you can trust her?

Does your gut instinct about a girl ever change much or does it pretty much stay the same?

It varies, in my experience there's various situations that test them (some more than others), so the longer it takes for them to be in those situations the longer it may take, but typically it's never too long. And it rarely changes. I have a hunch you're asking this question b/c you're gut tells you more often than not that she isn't trustworthy. If that's the case, maybe your gut is telling you something about women on a larger scale.

Nah, I wouldn't say that. Many girls don't want to screw you over.

[General Stalin]

If you have an uneasy feeling about a girl; listen to it.

[nek]

(12-05-2015 06:52 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 07:13 PM)nek Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 07:10 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

How soon after you've met a girl for the first time do you usually get a gut instinct about how much you can trust her?

Does your gut instinct about a girl ever change much or does it pretty much stay the same?

It varies, in my experience there's various situations that test them (some more than others), so the longer it takes for them to be in those situations the longer it may take, but typically it's never too long. And it rarely changes. I have a hunch you're asking this question b/c you're gut tells you more often than not that she isn't trustworthy. If that's the case, maybe your gut is telling you something about women on a larger scale.

Nah, I wouldn't say that. Many girls don't want to screw you over.

There's a difference between them wanting to screw you over and them not being trustworthy.

[Chaos]

Often when you start to reflect about something that has gone wrong you will say.

"I knew it"

But you did it anyway.
Let that sink in for a second.

[nek]

(12-06-2015 05:20 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

Often when you start to reflect about something that has gone wrong you will say.

"I knew it"

But you did it anyway.
Let that sink in for a second.

I think this is just a testament to the power of social conditioning. I'm sure most of us would like to think we are immune to it to some degree, but that might not be the case always, no matter how perceptive and smart one may be.

The real lesson is that you're already equipped with everything you need to understand the world (your eyes, your gut, the ability to reason). You just need to believe in it and have the courage to follow it. Everything else is just interference.

[Onto]

I think the little birdie inside is always singing to us. Problem is we want to believe what we want to believe and decide to ignore him instead.

The trick is to stay aware enough to catch that moment of feeling when the birdie is chirping to us. Then try to think about what the feeling is. Also think about how it's going against what you want to be true.

At the extremes you have people who are always paranoid, and those who are always gullible. My guess is the birdie causes that strange, uncanny feeling to occur in everyone.

[CodyB]

This is my belief on what a gut instinct is.

It isn't a pre-programmed phenomenon that just happens. It's the combination of common sense, awareness of surroundings and 'knowledge'; whch could be game, on the ground experience and access to perspective. We do not truely appreciate truely how much we absorb subconsciously in our lifetimes, when our 'gut' is telling us something, it's not just what you think you know but all that you have absorbed in your life time.

Of course some people develop a stronger instinct, but these are people who are generally more intelligent at least in an intuitive sense. These are the point guards in basketball, officers who rise to the top of armed forces, or even the politicians who know how to play the game. Regardless, all these people know their shit.

So, the average punter on this website is familiar with game, the red pilland a lot of other different topics that are in general skeptical of modern day society. Use women as your primary example, there are so many different indicators that a woman will display. Does she not work? Yet has a whole apartment filled with designer clothes and accessories? Is she not transparent about her movements, very quiet on social media yet tends to take a lot of selfies? Obvious slut indicators.

These are things that would have flown over my head 3-4 years ago. The only difference now is that I know my shit.

And to cap that all off, if you're questioning whether or not you can trust a woman; 99.9% you can not. Don't need no damned gut instinct for that.

[Banned]

I completely Agree with CodyB.

I feel like it depends on the persons experiences and how they have learned from them. I have come to almost completely trust my gut instinct, and have seen obvious progress in all matters of life connected to decision making.

For instance, i would have never imagined leading on a prospected "date" to believe i had a long night and morning full of sex (which i did), and expect to get anywhere. But Literally moments ago i insinuated it through a series of cleverly delivered text messages and have her complete and undivided attention.

I feel like this can translate to all aspects of life, not just sex. Trust you're gut, If you trust you're gut? lol

[Rhyme or Reason]

(12-06-2015 05:20 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

Often when you start to reflect about something that has gone wrong you will say.

"I knew it"

But you did it anyway.
Let that sink in for a second.

But did you know it?

As WIA said, hindsight is 20/20. It's rare that I look back on a situation where I was completely blindsided and without a clue until the results came in. More often than not I had some pieces of the puzzle but not necessarily enough to connect the dots. I suppose that's where instinct comes in; operating with limited information and trying to determine the correct course of action based on that limited information.

It's tough trying to straddle the line between relying on instincts while still letting your analytical mind do it's thing. I agree with the sentiment that when it comes to women, you should certainly trust your gut over all rationalizations she will spin your mind into believing.

I believe that having a clear idea about what you actually want will help you in deciding what the final course of action should be. What's my goal? Is what my gut telling me about this person going to impede on that goal, or is it superfluous? These are questions I'm still grappling with so I thought I'd bump the thread.

[RatInTheWoods]

The gut is correct 99% of the time.

Its only when we let the hamster change its opinion that we run into trouble....

[PeterJohnsonRichards]

If you ask anyone who is in the financial markets..... they will tell you that your gut instinct it totally worthless.

anyone who holds the "intuition" or "gut feeling" in high esteem hasn't put it to work.

Something is either right or wrong, if you can't make up your mind about something, either do more analysis, or move on.

Whenever someone says they have an amazing intuition and gut instinct....

Do large investment banks use their gut feeling? or do they create a deep study based on percentages and historical performance?

We as humans like to feel mysterious and powerful, it's a form of hypnosis we tell ourselves we have some hidden talent for judging something, to feel more in control of the world around us. If we can fool ourselves that our "gut feeling" can protect us then we feel less insecure, and gain lots of stupid confidence.

You need the attitude of a scientist, that logical detachment,

http://i.giphy.com/5VIjIJ9YO5lyU.gif

[DrCotard]

I fully trust in my gut instinct. Over the years, that instinct has saved me (from robbers, manipulative girls, untrustworthy people, bad situations)

When I use body language reading skills with my gut the results are 99.9999999% accurate.

[Rhyme or Reason]

@Peter

You make some decent points, but in the context of women it's a completely different story.

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We as humans like to feel mysterious and powerful, it's a form of hypnosis we tell ourselves we have some hidden talent for judging something, to feel more in control of the world around us.

Gut instinct is not some esoteric mythical force. It's a real, built in function that exists for a reason. That reason isn't to make us "feel special".

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Something is either right or wrong, if you can't make up your mind about something, either do more analysis, or move on.

As I said above, in many cases you will be working with limited information. In such a case where you do not have all the data needed to make a "scientific" conclusion, what do you then rely on? Life is not a laboratory where you have control of all the variables.

[PeterJohnsonRichards]

(03-29-2016 12:49 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

@Peter

You make some decent points, but in the context of women it's a completely different story.

Quote:

We as humans like to feel mysterious and powerful, it's a form of hypnosis we tell ourselves we have some hidden talent for judging something, to feel more in control of the world around us.

Gut instinct is not some esoteric mythical force. It's a real, built in function that exists for a reason. That reason isn't to make us "feel special".

Quote:

Something is either right or wrong, if you can't make up your mind about something, either do more analysis, or move on.

As I said above, in many cases you will be working with limited information. In such a case where you do not have all the data needed to make a "scientific" conclusion, what do you then rely on? Life is not a laboratory where you have control of all the variables.

"in many cases you will be working with [i]limited information."


Yes and there are only so many different scenarios in life, archetypally, the lmited information is bullshit you have lots of information, thats why you were a moron when you were 20 , compared to being 30 or whatever age you are now, it was not "gut instinct" that made you better, it was knowledge and experience.


However when we make a quick realization we think we're special for some reason, take a step back from your "gut instinct eureka moments" and pause and write it down and see how in reality, it was a very predictable scenario to begin with.

there are about 30-50 different scenarios in life, in which 90% of situations will fall under, the reality is that what appears to be limited information, is usually a historical repeat of an event we have already experienced and the "gut feeling" is really just an illusion. Also we get better at making concepts as time goes on so what we are attributing to "gut feeling" is just logic, not a 6th sense. We get better at making the concepts faster and also more complicated as time goes on the same way learning an instrument works, you just get better at the game by being in the game, it isn't a 6th sense, just common sense in a predictable situation.

"Gut instinct is not some esoteric mythical force. It's real"

Since it's real, why not pick a winning stock and retire? why because you are only 50% sure that's not a magical instinct to me. Just a gambling mentality to make life feel more exciting.

we should make sure we are attributing our success to this "gut feeling" or how much is just historical scientific analysis that we claim is gut instinct, and the excitement of being right! about something all along also adds to the difficulty with the distinction between "gut feeling" and "instinct"

"in the context of women it's a completely different story"

When it comes to women you just assume the worst and you'll be right 80% of the time, without the romantic/love phase of a relationship you see the real person underneath the veil.... the key is that .....it's really only the 20% you are trying to get the small amount of water from the prickly cactus in a hostile desert environment and that really is a sophisticated art form. A man has always needed a futile and hostile challenge to entertain him, a game he can never win

The logical application = red pill is about realizing you will NEVER have the "one" you can charm them for a while but it will wear off and ultimately if they could do better they would, it's only your "legend in your own mind" complex that makes you want exclusive access to a woman and the narcissist complex that makes you want to feel special when they only want YOU.


Ultimately,

The more average something is, the easier it is to replace, and the less it affects you when it's gone, finding "perfect women" is not a clever strategy, do you want to get attached? this is one of the weaknesses of game you will eventually run into a female who has excellent female game, and you will get attached. We are designed to get charmed into a relationship with a female so that we can be used for disposal in resources, then discarded in hyper gamy. The procedure relies on aspects of man's loyalty, his conscience is used against him, so he is only focused on one

Now you tell me if you even "need" a gut instinct? No to be right 80% of the time?assume the worst. Once the analysis is solid, the gut instinct is useless.

You don't need a gut instinct to know it will all go wrong when dealing with women , and that is the point, common sense is all you need


Its like a man playing football, there is a good chance he will get tackled by exposing himself to the probability, but to claim he predicted it when it happens using "a magical 6th sense"

Is magical charlatan nonsense.


the illusion is caused by

1) a memory lapse where the mind forgets the predictable and hostile nature of the environment
2) Fear and ego complexes, the man fears the unknown environment and wants to feel he has a powerful 6th sense to guide him
3)coincidences in a predictable system, lead to excitement that is a rarely experienced sentation, therefore mistaken as "gut" instinct, but is just "regular instinct", the "gut" reflects a nauseating sensation of time expenditure remorse, of being wrong, so it is the lack of confidence causing the nausea, or "gut" contraction
4)Driven by the need for stimulation, and wonderment, the man takes on a gambling mentality, whereby he does not want to know the real environment as it is, since he would get bored, but wants to take a lazy approach to understanding it, in order so that the "gambling" mentality excitement can work its magic. Humans like the process of "contemplation" and "guessing" but if you know the answers are not what you want to hear... the game is not fun.

the 4 fold psychological mechanisms, =
Sensation,
Emotion,
Intuition,
Instinct,




How reliable is the gut instinct? it's worthless. Achieve your goal using historical analysis, common sense, and logic. Even taking the best guess involves logic, not "gut 6th sense magical nonsense"

If the gut instinct were so good, it would be used more often everyday, and therefor instances where it has saved your ass would not be "rare occasions" and the stories seem to be written in the sense on this thread that, it is only rarely and "this one time" that the gut instinct helped you.

[Rhyme or Reason]

I just dropped the chick I've been seeing because of nothing more than a gut feeling. I told her why. I said "You're fishing".

Her response gave her away somewhat. If a girl is 100 percent yours, and she catches the vibe that you don't trust her she will most likely try to lay it all down and say how much she loves you, ect. This is how she was until I let stopped approaching and just settled into consistent pussy. That was a misstep. I still maintained frame throughout the interaction but the second it became assumed I wasn't banging anyone else I felt a loss of power.

Her response was more along the lines of "How do you know?"

Yeah good job tipping your hand, bitch.

Of course, its like folding a hand in poker. When you fold you are basically telling your opponent "I believe you". In this case it's more like "I believe myself that you are trying to deceive me"

On the one hand, she cooks for me, cleans for me and makes my bed and shit. On the other she's a single mom in the process of divorce (though shes still early 20s). So you never know. You never know to what extent you can trust another person, period. But I'll be damned if I trust a whore's word over my own fucking gut.

[Nico]

We should make a distinction between learned instinct and emotional reactions. Emotional reactions are what we have when confronted by something, such as snowboarding, an approach in a nice bar, etc. Learned instinct is something that comes time and practice, a type of unconscious competence. It's not a binary yes/no, but it's more of barometer. Case in point, if a chick says she's going to call me after she get back from a trip on Monday, it's Tuesday, I get the sense that the lead is breaking down. If a chicks is DTF from a site and is moving quick, I know the situation in unstable since she is going off of emotions, which can feedback into its self at any moment.

[nek]

(06-05-2016 02:00 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

On the one hand, she cooks for me, cleans for me and makes my bed and shit.

Not to pick on you here, but a girl doing the above activities, especially in the beginning, shouldn't be weighed as heavily as some people make it out to be. The "taking care of the nest" instinct is in damn near all women (Other reasons that a woman may do these things:Guilt/trying to cover up and most importantly, you haven't married her yet). It's like a woman assuming a guy is faithful because he provides for the family. Guys that hate their wives still do this, it's somewhat instinctual. This isn't to say that these are the only reasons they'd do these things, and there are definitely good women doing these things just out of good habit/sense of duty, but it seems like guys treat it as an "If-Then" statement vs. recognizing the possible motivations.